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[Ding77]

16 hours ago, Biology Lesson said:

I guess about Ordinary person I agree- I wouldn't rewatch that, even though I liked it. The Client I would, as I liked the other actors too. The entire movie was done very well. Penthouse elephant and Maybe I have rewatched and really liked them, so if you haven't seen them, I would recommend you do. I'm usually not into slow artistic movies, but JH was so engaging and beautiful in Maybe, that I actually liked it.

EOL I only recently watched in its entirety and I was pleasantly surprised by it. The biggest surprise was that the actual lead of the story wasn't the actor that was promoted as the lead, but rather the woman. His character actually came off as a rather stupid and gullible guy. I guess the promotion of the movie centered on the three guys as they are bigger actors than her. I actually saw promotion events she wasn't even present in! I think not promoting her not concentrating on her character as the lead was a mistake... Even though I think the movie concentrated too much on the general and I could have done without his soft porn sex scenes (JH's scene was great, though a bit too short  ), But the plot is cool and JH role was good too, though his Bang won in MC was so much more complex... I wish he'd have a similar role that could combine both the grittiness and sexiness of his Bangwon in EOL with the complexity of his Bang won in MC

Maybe is lizard and rabbit? Yeah, I've watched it,just for the sake of our dear hyukie lol. Think I've watched all his post military movies /dramas, except WOL,which is totally  

[dramafan33]

On 7/30/2020 at 2:51 AM, Biology Lesson said:

While we're (still) waiting for news, I wanted to ask you guys something- Am I the only one who doesn't like the movie Windstruck? I noticed that many regard that movie as one of the best romantic Korean movies, while I thought it was boring and annoying. I especially hated the female character, though I can't say I liked JH's character either... Am I the only one who feels like that about this movie?

I think “Windstruck” is objectively not a “good” movie. I mean I’m no expert but it is all over the place right? But for some reason I liked it, it made me cry but I can’t really “defend“ it  It’s like those cheesy TV commercials that make me cry. A proper tear jerker, clearly manipulative of my feelings, including an OST that triggers sadness.

 

Ok, now a question, whyyy is Fated to love you so magical?!?!? You know that last scene of ep 2? The conversation of Lee Gun and Miyoung on the casino balcony. And then the scenes when Lee Gun and Miyoung are locked in the storage room. Gosh! Their connection felt strong already. They were just so convincing. I know FTLY is not “perfect” but I really really love those scenes! 

[The Reel Life]

15 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

I think “Windstruck” is objectively not a “good” movie. I mean I’m no expert but it is all over the place right? But for some reason I liked it, it made me cry but I can’t really “defend“ it  It’s like those cheesy TV commercials that make me cry. A proper tear jerker, clearly manipulative of my feelings, including an OST that triggers sadness.

 

Ok, now a question, whyyy is Fated to love you so magical?!?!? You know that last scene of ep 2? The conversation of Lee Gun and Miyoung on the casino balcony. And then the scenes when Lee Gun and Miyoung are locked in the storage room. Gosh! Their connection felt strong already. They were just so convincing. I know FTLY is not “perfect” but I really really love those scenes! 

I have a theory @dramafan33. Aside from, of course, the amazing acting and chemistry of Jang Nara and Hyukie, I have a theory that it’s also because those interactions in the scenes (and quite a few others in the first half of the show) were unexpected. It was unexpected that Lee Gun was so gentlemanly towards Mi Young. It was unexpected that Lee Gun showed so much care towards Mi Young despite them being strangers and the unfortunate but fateful encounter between them. That’s what made it so refreshing. He wasn’t a jerk, he was a man with a heart of gold that still was able to see the good in people despite being tricked/wronged. That’s my take! 

[azureblue7]

36 minutes ago, The Reel Life said:

I have a theory @dramafan33. Aside from, of course, the amazing acting and chemistry of Jang Nara and Hyukie, I have a theory that it’s also because those interactions in the scenes (and quite a few others in the first half of the show) were unexpected. It was unexpected that Lee Gun was so gentlemanly towards Mi Young. It was unexpected that Lee Gun showed so much care towards Mi Young despite them being strangers and the unfortunate but fateful encounter between them. That’s what made it so refreshing. He wasn’t a jerk, he was a man with a heart of gold that still was able to see the good in people despite being tricked/wronged. That’s my take! 

I agree! The way Mi young talks to him at the balcony, in the storage room, saying her heartfelt thanks to him, telling him to eat this and that (funny but endearing). It was all very heartwarming. And the way Gun looks at her, from skeptical and curious to gentle. It feels almost magical .. oh dear..should I rewatch again?

[budgerie]

@Ding77Welcome aboard! Have fun with us here!

 

@Biology LessonI didn't like anything that's pre military of his. Hahaha!

 

@dramafan33My theory : I think it was numerous happenings that led to his change towards MY. He witnessed MY with that jerk lawyer when he went to return her the heel. He realised that MY wasn't lying when she said what she said (can't remember what were her exact words) MY wasn't intentional to get close to LG because she really went to Macau with another man. Also, the room number 6 & 9, LG witnessed the damn number got upside down, so MY wasn't lying. In the casino, when MY didn't want to take revenge on the jerk lawyer, LG probably also realised she's an angel at heart. Isn't it said that whatever comes out from our mouth speaks alot about a person's personality??? The conversation LG had with MY at the balcony was an eye opener for him. And MY was willing to bear the pregnancy all by herself instead of burdening him to marry her. She took it upon herself to go for abortion. I liked their conversation at the balcony, I think it was at that time when LG started to feel some flutter in his heart although he still felt convinced that he loved Sera.

[Biology Lesson]

4 hours ago, dramafan33 said:

I think “Windstruck” is objectively not a “good” movie. I mean I’m no expert but it is all over the place right? But for some reason I liked it, it made me cry but I can’t really “defend“ it  It’s like those cheesy TV commercials that make me cry. A proper tear jerker, clearly manipulative of my feelings, including an OST that triggers sadness.

 

OK, good, so I wasn't the only one that thought the movie wasn't good  . The thing is I couldn't connect with either of the characters- I hated the crazy female character and JH's character was so weak and doormatty that I didn't even understand what was the point of him. So at the end I felt nothing, didn't get a tear from me... 

2 hours ago, budgerie said:

 

@Biology LessonI didn't like anything that's pre military of his. Hahaha!

 

Same goes to me. Feels like a whole different actor, though I admit I haven't seen that many of his pre-military projects...

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Ok, now a question, whyyy is Fated to love you so magical?!?!? You know that last scene of ep 2? The conversation of Lee Gun and Miyoung on the casino balcony. And then the scenes when Lee Gun and Miyoung are locked in the storage room. Gosh! Their connection felt strong already. They were just so convincing. I know FTLY is not “perfect” but I really really love those scenes! 

I agree with everything that was said by @The Reel Life @azureblue7and @budgerie. I think the magic has also a lot to do with very good character characterization and development. I've seen many said that they didn't like FTLY because MY felt too weak to them, or too kind, but the thing is that LG was as "weak" or as kind as she was, even before they met. It just wasn't as apparent because he is the CEO, so in business he was ruthless. But he's been going out for years with a woman that never considered his emotions, he accepted into his home a woman that he thought was responsible for his mother's misery, he never confronted her or her son even though it was clear they were conspiring against him. So we have a character that is very kind and very quirky, but the show also made sure to tell us that he was very lonely. No one around him got him. and then he met MY and suddenly he wasn't alone anymore. Beautifully, the things she said to him in those conversations connected to him, because as silly and as innocent as some of the things she said to him were, they connected with him, as deep down he was as silly and as innocent as her. Notice that after he spoke to her, he always added sugar water to his drinks... and her kindness was something that he never saw in people around him, but in himself, so when he spoke to her, he didn't feel as lonely...

FTLY I think was the perfect storm of great writing, great directing, great acting, and the great JH being allowed to do his thing  

[budgerie]

Wait...!! Did I confuse myself? I liked their conversation at the (is it balcony)? Just before LG driver came to pick him up. He gave her the chip & she gave him the lollipop....I like their moment there. Noticed he was quite "reluctant" to get in the car.

[azureblue7]

 

This is cute. Is he starstruck when he acted alongside Hyuk? Or may Hyuk just has that strong presence when he is acting.

[Biology Lesson]

6 hours ago, azureblue7 said:

 

This is cute. Is he starstruck when he acted alongside Hyuk? Or may Hyuk just has that strong presence when he is acting.

It's interesting to hear that this actor, that many, including JH, said was very friendly, felt awkward around JH  From what we know and saw, JH doesn't behave like he's a big deal on set, but I guess that doesn't prevent his juniors from feeling like he is...

I remember that JH said that he felt lonely on the set of MC, as the rest of the cast was mostly younger than him. I think it's a combination of the regular deference by which Koreans treat their elders, in addition to being starstruck with JH, as both the leads previously mentioned how they admire JH and I guess they weren't the only ones feeling like that of the younger actors on the cast,  and, probably, also JH's shyness didn't help  .  

[Biology Lesson]

Looks like some of the guys from TMWYS developed a real friendship. In this clip they mention that Eum Moon-Suk,  Sooyoung, Jin Seo-Yeon and Ryu Seung-Soo (JH's friend) have developed a close friendship. They actually mention that it's unusual for them to form a relationship with their cast members. I guess there was a very friendly atmosphere on set... This clip is from a new YouTube show that  Eum Moon-Suk is doing, cooking food for his friends, and then they donate something for charity. In the next episode he invited Sooyoung. I wonder if he will also invite JH  I can't imagine JH will say no to food... 

 

 

 

[dramafan33]

I didn’t know this was possible but I think I love Fated to love you more now than before. I’m at the part where Lee Gun told Se Ra that Miyoung is his wife and I cried so much. 

[Biology Lesson]

6 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

I didn’t know this was possible but I think I love Fated to love you more now than before. I’m at the part where Lee Gun told Se Ra that Miyoung is his wife and I cried so much. 

The scene is the rain? So good! The emotions! that's what makes the show so good! And JH looked so good in that scene! 

[azureblue7]

6 hours ago, dramafan33 said:

I didn’t know this was possible but I think I love Fated to love you more now than before. I’m at the part where Lee Gun told Se Ra that Miyoung is his wife and I cried so much. 

I wanted to say the same thing about Robber too. I am rewatching it and I love it more than when I first watched it too!

[budgerie]

7 hours ago, dramafan33 said:

I didn’t know this was possible but I think I love Fated to love you more now than before. I’m at the part where Lee Gun told Se Ra that Miyoung is his wife and I cried so much. 

Yes I liked this scene too when LG finally plucked up the courage to say MY is his wife. I was quite taken aback when Sera was at his office & MY passed off as his grandmother secretary, I was like "WHAT"....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Biology Lesson]

3 hours ago, azureblue7 said:

I wanted to say the same thing about Robber too. I am rewatching it and I love it more than when I first watched it too!

@azureblue7It's interesting that you commented about Robbers when @dramafan33 commented about FTLY, as to me it's clear that Robbers very much inspired JH's performance in FTLY. It was like his general rehearsal for FTLY. There are so many elements from Robbers that you can find in FTLY- the illness, the kindness and naivete of the FL protagonist, lying to protect the FL, the relationship with the FL's "mother". We even caught JH repeating a line from Oh Joon about how he cons women by making them want to mother him, when JH said that he didn't want the viewers of FTLY to want LG, but want to mother him, which he amazingly succeeded in. Also, in my recent rewatch of Robbers I noticed that the actor playing the debt collector in Robbers, played the husband of MY's sister in FTLY. 

But also it's clear that JH learned from his mistakes in Robbers. As wacky as LG was, he was still more subdued than Oh Joon. Oh Joon tended to fly into rage and often screamed, which felt a bit too much. I think whenever JH does something on screen that is out of his character, he tends to go over board a bit. From everything that we know about JH, it's kinda clear to me that JH doesn't scream in real life, he doesn't lose it, so when he does that on screen, it often comes off as fake to me.

The same as when cries loudly, like in the horrible scene in SOGC (I wish he learned from his mistakes there...), it comes across as fake too. JH said that he's a reserved person, and that he rarely cries. I think the only time I saw him shed tears in reality was in The dragon club when they went to the cinema. It's the scenes in which he cries silently that are so much more effective and real feeling. Like the beautiful scene in Robbers in which he tells the mother in law that he is sick and that she wouldn't let him have her daughter. The look on his face when she agreed with him and ran away...that made me cry! And also the scene in FTLY in which MY gave LG his Gunny cup- to see LG fighting his tears as he knew he was going to have to leave her... fantastic! In FTLY, there were so many scenes in which LG was in pain, but was pretending that he wasn't and those scenes, were so effective! Those were the scenes that had me sobbing!

[dramafan33]

It’s 3am and I finished watching ep 12. I don’t think I cried this much the previous times I watched this. I think its probably my age now. This drama affects me more now. My eyes are like big balls with a tiny dot in the middle now, from all the crying. At least the most painful scenes are now over. Although a lot of angst is yet to come. 
 

@corey Thanks for sharing what you know about the other versions. Your conclusion that Lee Gun’s illness gave “justification” to LGs sometimes “jerk” behavior is on point. It helped separate him from the typical jerk immature chaebol. In fact Lee Gun had many flaws but being immature wasn’t really one of them. The changed suited the actor and character’s age too. 
 

@Biology Lesson Very interesting what you said about JH going overboard when he has to scream, something that doesn’t come to him naturally. Gummi told me something similar years ago. But, on the other hand being someone who doesn’t normally cry, I think that maybe acting helps him release some real emotions. His loud crying is not always unnatural, sometimes it suits the character well (like in Chuno) but I also choke up and cry more buckets with his quite crying. Like when Miyoung gave him the Gunnie cup 

 

You guys need to see the deleted scenes from FTLY! The videos Gunnie left, his crying there was so real (on the uncut version) and he cried for a long time. Such good acting. 

[The Reel Life]

1 hour ago, dramafan33 said:

You guys need to see the deleted scenes from FTLY! The videos Gunnie left, his crying there was so real (on the uncut version) and he cried for a long time. Such good acting. 

You mentioned this before I think, but buttttt where do we see it??? I want to see it too ahhhhhh

[Biology Lesson]

4 hours ago, dramafan33 said:

It’s 3am and I finished watching ep 12. I don’t think I cried this much the previous times I watched this. I think its probably my age now. This drama affects me more now. My eyes are like big balls with a tiny dot in the middle now, from all the crying. At least the most painful scenes are now over. Although a lot of angst is yet to come. 

 

I remember watching the show and sobbing! I never cried like that when watching a movie or a show. I might have had tears coming out of my eyes, but never actual sobbing! The genius that is JH! 

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@Biology Lesson Very interesting what you said about JH going overboard when he has to scream, something that doesn’t come to him naturally. Gummi told me something similar years ago. But, on the other hand being someone who doesn’t normally cry, I think that maybe acting helps him release some real emotions. His loud crying is not always unnatural, sometimes it suits the character well (like in Chuno) but I also choke up and cry more buckets with his quite crying. Like when Miyoung gave him the Gunnie cup 

 

I remember that JH said that crying on shows allows him to let out his feelings that he usually keeps bottled up. But to me, it's the quiet crying scenes that feel more genuine. It's interesting that you mentioned Chuno, as it was exactly those loud crying scenes that I couldn't connect with. I think I already mentioned how I dislike Chuno. I appreciated JH acting courage in letting go like that, something for which he is admired to this day by actors, but also relentlessly mocked by comedians , but I personally don't like that show. Now, after seeing Hometown Flex, I know that the "crying while eating" scene was actually a tribute to a scene from the Hong Kong movie that JH loves so much, so it might explain why it didn't connect with me. The problem was that JH injected the love story and his friendship with the guys with so much more intensity and depth than the script supported. I said it before that I felt that the script of Chuno wasn't good. I thought it was superficial and the characters, as a result, were flat. That was true for all the characters except for Dae gill, and I know that his depth didn't come from the script but from JH. In his acting, JH essentially justified a 10 years obsession with the girl, a justification we didn't get from the script. I mean, when his dad almost killed her, Dae gill did nothing beyond cry. If his love for her was so powerful to last 10 years, I'd expect him to do something to save her. Also, his friendship with the guys. It was JH acting that made me believe he loved them, but the script didn't even fully explain how they came to work together, except that one scene in the snow... 

I had a big problem in connecting with DG's pain in general, as it was mainly presented as his pain in losing the girl, and their love story wasn't established enough for me. What about his parents? His mother? No pain from losing her?!

 

 

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You guys need to see the deleted scenes from FTLY! The videos Gunnie left, his crying there was so real (on the uncut version) and he cried for a long time. Such good acting. 

I think I saw a fuller clip of him filming the vids but nothing beyond that. If you have a link to those deleted scenes...

[azureblue7]

@Biology Lesson @dramafan33 I cried yesterday when watching Robbers too. Not as much as when I watched FTLY..but certain scenes still tear me up. JH really cries beautifully.. and so genuinely.. 

 

 

 

[dramafan33]

@azureblue7 I don’t remember ever crying with Robbers but yes, feeling it deeply. But since I react differently every time I watch something maybe this time I would cry 

 

@Biology Lesson My first impression was that superficial too, I also thought the story was basically about a man’s obsession for a woman but, after watching it many times I found much more depth in it. Chuno needs to be seen as a whole to be appreciated (Im not saying you, cause Im sure you are already done with it) But anyway, I will explain what I mean one day just to get it out of system, just not today cause Im a bit tired from crying until late last night 

 

Anyway be it because of the story or JHs acting, every time I connect with a JHs character pain it stems from the same source. It is that JH is an expert at playing the feeling of  “loneliness” and being misunderstood and somehow outcasted, judged, labeled. Daegil, LYO, Oh Joon, Lee Gun, Bangwon and even Piljoo have had that kind of pain one way or another.  
 

P.S That example you provide of young Daegil not doing anything to prevent what happened to Unnyun is precisely one point made in the drama. The young master was a different Daegil, he was a yangban, not as brave, he had not experienced the pain, suffering, near death experiences etc the slave hunter did and which transformed him into a wild beast. To me, observing that contrast between his past and present was fascinating enough to trigger my interest, to you, it only meant the story was incomplete.