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@USAFarmgirl, love your post.  @booha Thanks so much for the written translation of ep 15. All I can say is "Yes!"

 

I'm hoping that CW has something up his sleeves that will be a double blow for Bong and Cutter. He mentioned a few times that he specializes in whistleblowing. I hope he can give them a little payback. I also how that YY will be able to give her old boss some payback. Yes, I understands why he wants her back. She was good at helping cover up his affairs, however, I don't think that will be the case anymore. 

 

It's obvious to see in this episode that BoNa is the brains behind Cutter in trying to help him take over CW's department. I just don't have any warm feelings towards her. It wouldn't surprise me if in the end, she's promoted....I would hate that because it would then be awarding bad behaviors. 

 

This episode was so emotional. I could truly feel YY's sadness and disappointment. I could feel JA's fear, confusion, hurt, and frustration. The actresses did a great job in this episode. I can't wait to see eps 15 and 16.

 

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As I said before, I think the writer is going a little overboard in somethings. They moved YY because it was rumored that she was trying to have an affair with her old boss. Now that she's in a relationship with her current, single boss, they are going to transfer her back to her old boss?  No HR in the civilized world would send YY back to her old boss.

 

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23 minutes ago, raziela said:

I am totally with you.  I would be nice to see BoNa get her just desserts and lose her friendship with the other Jugglers as punishment.  Realistically after a betrayal like this it would be unlikely for them to recover their closeness but I feel like the drama will probably keep everything nice and light and have YY and the others forgive her.

 

@raziela, I agree with you that the drama will keep it nice and light. I was again disappointed in BoNa. She shows absolutely no remorse for her actions. She's also jealous of the relationship between YY and CW. Again, who need friends like this... I can truly understand when YY said she didn't really want to know the truth if BoNa is the one who stole the photos because she knows it will also change how they all view her.

 

I have to say that I think the writer is taking it a bit far with the investigation into YY's and CW's office affair. It is none of their business since they are two consenting adults. What cause an investigation is Imbecile boss with his affairs that she's having on company's time and his wife barging into the office and terrorizing the employees. In any other company, he would have been fired pronto.  The same with Cutter. When it was discovered that he was going to engage in a deal that he knew was going to bring harm to the company's reputation, he would have been either fired or demoted.  For them to go after CW and YY, is a little over the top.

 

I hope as part of the reorg the advertisement department is absorbed into the video department and not the other way around.  A part of me wonder if BoNa wants YY gone in hopes that Cutter will be let go and CW will remain--she would them become CW's assistant. She seems jealous of their relationship.

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12 hours ago, raziela said:

@lclarakl  I've watched BTIMFL.  Which drama is TRMY? 

 

Thanks @raziela, it's Third Rate My Way (It's also known as Fight For My Way). Another drama where the leads interact well together.....natural.

 

 

@hrkharis, Thanks. For the most part, I have forgiven her, however, I just don't wish to recross that bridge again of cultivating a deep friendship which means I have to trust again--and I don't.  I just don't have that same trust or respect for her or her sister. 

 

That's why, IMO, it would be hard to fully forgive BoNa and completely accept her back as a close, trusted friend. She purposely stole pictures from her friend in an effort to humiliate her for a promotion that she may or may not receive and due to her own jealousy.  Let's not forget that YY's mother raised her and her brother working as a hairdresser. BN saw how crushed YY was the first time. She even checked to see if YY was still alive after her firing. Yet, she's ready to serve her a death blow.  This is her MO. She did it with JA when she exposed before all the friends that JA was lying about her husband. Now she's doing the same thing to YY by exposing her relationship with CW; there is nothing wrong with two single people dating.  However, the past rumor was rekindled along with the new one and again, they are putting the blame on YY.  If BoNa truly loved her friend, why would she make her suffer again. Yes, I want YY to forgive her, but trust won't be there again.

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4 hours ago, hrkharis said:

In this drama the writer wants to show us that there is always a thorn in a friendship. Friends who seems fine in our eyes, was secretly storing thorns. Like what YY said that she always watches for others in order to help them, but ironically she can not read her friend's deepest feelings. The problems like this, without us knowing it, can be found in our daily lives. As someone who is innocent and honest, YY, hanging out with her best friend without any burden and no pretensions. She is happy go lucky person.

 

@hrkharis, I so agree with you regarding 'there is always a thorn in a friendship. The reason I'm not a fan of BoNa is because I had a 'friend' like her. I thought this person was one of my best friends from high school. I even helped her get a job at one of the bank branches where I worked serval years ago (I was in the corporate office).

 

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My 'friend' was loved and respected by her co-workers and customers; considered to be a dependable worker. About 5 years after she was hired, I noticed a change in her. She became more distant towards me, avoided my phone calls, no longer my travel buddy. I was surprised when she called me one day to tell me about a 4-day cruise she and her sister (also a friend) had put together with a group and wanted to know if I wanted to go. My sister and I agreed to go.  The first couple of days, my sister and I took pictures offered by the cruise staff. Our goal was to create a trip portfolio for my mother. Each time we went to pick up our pictures, they were missing--the first time we thought it was just a bad shot, the second time it was puzzling, the third time we went to a safe member to see what was going on. The staff member said the only thing that could be happening is someone is taking out pictures. I can't tell you how uncomfortable that made us feel. We should have had about 6 pictures ready for purchase and they were all missing.  

 

Later that day, our group had a luncheon together (about 30 of us). I mentioned to my 'best friend' earlier that I felt like we were being stalked on the cruise; I even began to suspect one of the other ladies traveling with us because she was just too friendly. I digress, at the lunch I jokingly turned to my best friend's sister and said, "Why have you been taking our pictures and throwing them away?" I don't know why it popped in my head to say it, it was only a joke. She looked at me with a surprised look and said, "How did you know it was me?"  It was my turn to be stunned. I told her, "I didn't know until you just told me." She claimed it was just a joke. My sister told her that we weren't laughing. She apologized. Needless to say, I cut all ties at that point.

 

About 8 months later, I received an internal investigation request from corporate security requesting that I pull transaction activity on several accounts and to keep it confidential.  It turned on that my best friend had been embezzling money from customers for the past 2 years and had thousands of dollars in her account. She was fired and charges were filed. Prior to going to court, she called me and asked if she could come over to talk. She apologized to me and confessed to making up lies on me to her sister and others (who was also my friend at the time) because she was afraid I would share information or rumors about the embezzlement; her sister shared those lies with others among her circle....explained some of the looks my sister and I received on the trip and the cold shoulders from people we knew. She also said that she had been jealous of the fact that I held a higher position and my salary was higher than hers.

 

My 'friend' went to prison for a year (more like a college dorm--they didn't even have a fence around the prison; no bars on the door).  While she was in prison, she again wrote a letter of apologize. She told me when the first arrested her, prior to going to court, they treated her like a common criminal.  Of course, I'm thinking, 'You are a common criminal'. She hoped that we could remain friends and we could put this behind us.

 

For me, I felt betrayed. I can't tell you how for 3 days my sister and I couldn't really enjoy the trip because we truly felt stalked. Then to learn that it was all because my best friend had told lies on me; not to mention the actions of her sister who I also thought was a friend. I just don't want to have anything to do with either of them in a 'close almost like sisters' friendship again. My BF apologized, her sister never did.

 

My trust for these two people is zero. I treat them kindly when we're at the same event, but I don't actively socialize with them and nor do I want to.

 

In regards to who you think one of the spies are for cutter, I agree. I too think it's Mr.Gong and the younger guy who is always with him.

 

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On 1/12/2018 at 2:47 AM, bkchild said:

These are all assumptions you're making. We actually don't know where her mother is, if she was ever in the picture and married to her dad, how early BN started to work and how capable her father was of taking care of them both (or helping to contribute to the 3 of them living if her mom was around and was working). Maybe he only started to struggle recently and BN really just sees him as a burden and has her whole life and uses him as an excuse. Maybe she's had to work to support them for a lot of her life. Neither of us know and that stuff isn't really my point it's what's happening now in the show because we don't know anything besides the character stuff the drama gave us.

 

You are correct, I am making an assumption that BN's father was married to her mother based on the information provided in the drama.. I have no idea why we shouldn't believe they are married. The man is deaf, not mentally challenged and horribly disfigured, why shouldn't I assume he's married or was married to her mother?  Thomas Edison creator of the light bulb, Beethoven-music composer, Marlee Matlin-actress and writer, Matt Hamill-mixed martial artist wrestler, and, my favorite, Terence Parkin (who reminded us in 2000 what the Olympics should be about when he won a silver metal in swimming) were/are all deaf. Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder are blind. Just because someone is deaf doesn't make them a burden.  It only makes sense to me that BN's parents would be married.

 

Also, I will say again that there is nothing wrong about children helping support their parents...it's part of the cycle of life; parents start out as babies, but as they continue to get older, they become childlike...needing care; even if they are very wealthy they still need assistance. 

 

Since this is the weekend.....below are things that I want to know or learned as I rewatched the episodes.......

 

Ep 1

1) When BN is with her friends, she's always distracted on her phone. Who is she texting? Her dad? 

 

2) Why did BN think it was any of her business to confront JA for lying about her husband being on a business trip. Why did she want to call her out like that and not in private? What was her motive...friendship, concern, envy?

 

Ep 2

3) In ep 2 when YY texted her friends to let her know that CW asked her out to eat. BN said it wasn't like him--how does she know his behavior? KR wanted to know his birthday and BN asked, "Why? To see if they are compatible?" 

 

Ep 3

4) In ep 3, it was implied that KR, YY and BN went to college together.

 

Ep 4

5) In ep 4, we have a great contrast of how YY held no envy or animosity towards BN when she and Cutter got the project and CW did not. YY's only concern was that CW would eat and drink with his employees.

 

6) Also in ep 4, BN's true feelings regarding YY comes into focus. Cutter invites CW and YY out to drink at a bar to gloat over the fact that CW lost to him. CW doesn't like the way Cutter is treating YY and he tells Cutter off and grabs YY by the wrist and leaves with her. The next day, YY text BN to see if she would like to go to lunch together. BN doesn't responds to her texts and seems angry. BN has a flashback of CW grabbing YY by the risk and BN seems a little jealousy, but definitely not happy with YY who has done absolutely nothing to her.

 

7) Realize why CW calls YY "Raccoon" later as a pet name as they date. When YY was trying to find out information about him at the request of the president's Assistant, she was peaking through the blinds at work. He asked her, "Why peaking through the blinds like a Raccoon?" 

 

Ep 5

8) Ep 5 JA lets us know that she's moving into the basement of KR and BN's flat--she's renting the space from them.

 

9) Finally in ep 5 YY, clueless that BN was feeling resentment towards her, went to see BN. She brought her a coffee and told her that she missed her since she was ignoring her calls or text. BN said that she wasn't ignoring her, she was busy. We know based on what we saw in ep 4 that her's mad with YY.

 

10) When the assistants met on the roof and YY was asked to explain he BBA (Best Boss Award) competition, we could see BN looking at YY as if she was her sole competitor. Then later when they are in the elevator, the way BN is conversing with YY and JA about the competition doesn't sound like a friend, but instead like an acquaintance who is hiding behind a facade. Cutter has won the award 2 times already, now he wants to be the triple crown winner. BN wants this title too.

 

12) In this ep KR tells YY and JA that they should be lucky because BN has the worse boss. As for me, until this episode and going forward, I didn't think BN had the worse boss--in the way he treats her. He's childlike, prone to temper tantrums, manipulative, etc, but I didn't think he was the worse, just difficult. He needs a firm assistant that can put him in his place. BN promised Cutter that she would make sure he would for the 3 year in a row.

 

Ep 6

13) Ep 6, I now realize how the writer have the characters will similar traits. We have CW getting on the elevator and he's reading the scrolling message over the door: "Stay with Me".  Of course it's his imagination due to his conscious. Cutter had the same thing happen to him when he got on the elevator in a later episode. Then, of course, in later episodes we have all failed attempts by other characters, including Cutter, trying to be like CW when he's putting on his coat like a cape.

 

14) We are really beginning to see BN's true colors. When the 'friends' are out together, YY is so happy that CW shared his calendar with her. She keeps looking at his calendar on her phone. Her real friends are happy for her and tease her about it. They told her she acts like she received a diamond. JA said that CW was romantic. BN said it was like you received a proposal.

 

During this same conversation, YY was asked by JA if CW was going to participate in the BBA. YY said she didn't think so. BN, said "too bad, I was looking forward to and Cutter fighting".  KR: "Were you? I was looking forward to you and YY fighting." Then when JA said she was eligible, but was ignored (I think she and her boss will win). KR started teasing them and BN got hostile; asking if they thought it was a joke.

 

Side note: BN is good about exposing other people's secrets or moments of shame, but not her own real feelings.

 

Ep 7

15) True to BN's nature which is becoming more clear, when the 4 friends meet for coffee break, instead of saying "hello" she immediately goes in at YY. Questioning YY as to why she didn't tell her about entering the BBA contest. YY  is hearing it for the first time too. She didn't know that CW had entered the contest. BN is hesitant to believe YY. 

 

It's clear at this point that BN is a fairweather friend---as long as times are good and going her way, she's a "friend"; other than that, she's not a friend. I think she feels disdain for all her friends, particularly YY. I was glad when YY called BN out on her attitude. 

 

16) I wonder as too who switched the UBS during YY's presentation...Cutter or BN?

 

Ep 8

17) After CW confronts Cutter about his underhanded tactics and threatens to expose him, BN gets a text from her father. It said that the "landlord wants to increase the deposit. I'm sorry to ask."  BN replied, "Don't worry. That's why I work for a big company." This could mean a couple of things. 1) He pays his own rent but needs her help due to the deposit increase or 2) she pays it all the time and he's letting her know that it will be increased. However, it she's the one paying it, wouldn't the landlord work with BN instead of dealing with her death father.

 

At this point, I have not seen one scene where I felt BN was truly a friend. She always seemed to have a motive and hidden agenda. Maybe the writer will redeem her in the end, but it would have been nice to have seen her being a real friend first. From ep 1 to now, I have not seen her as a real friend; she seemed too look down on her friends. I'm sure when she won BBA with Cutter two years in a row, her friends were happy for her. 

 

What BN is more fearful of IMO is the fact that she know for the past 2 years, they have not won honestly. Cutter cheats to get on top and she helps him cheat.

 

 

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Side Note:  I think we've forgotten how this drama started. YY had another 'make out' scene of sorts with her boyfriend who also had a hard time undoing the buttons of her shirt. However, in the first episode it went a long way to show us how demanding her caller id "Imbecile" boss was...on call 24 x7. She couldn't have a personal life at all.  The drama also shows us how all these administrative assistants have demanding bosses, but we really get a glimpse of how difficult YY had it. Remember how she first met CW?  Running in the rain to get a clean shirt for her boss who was trying to hide his lipstick shirt from his wife.  

 

It was shown from the very beginning that YY was the one having it hard. However, she has a sunny disposition. She's ambitious as well and wants her boss to succeed. However, I think there is a line that she won't cross.

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10 hours ago, triplem said:

BUT chingus on some drama threads I am on where even a wrist grab can elicit pages and pages of squeeing, can I ask why are we not analysing a more important thing????? KBS just blessed us with a really great make out / bed scene ? So i counted that there were FOUR sets of kisses , correct ? The ppuk ppuk sound was pretty audible too... So here you go...

 

 

@triplem, Thank you for the gifs. I have to say that these kiss scenes are some of the better ones in K-drama. This drama is more like BTIMFL and TRMY...in the way the leads interact act with each other. There is just so much cuteness between CW and YY. 

 

18 hours ago, USAFarmgirl said:

I would like to send a special shout out to KBS for taking such a risk in giving us this realistic moment. Allowing our OTP through amazing acting show us a realistic view instead of those plastic physical moments that we are so often used to.  I would rather have no kissing than all those that look as fake as they feel.  KBS took us to the edge gave us passion instead of plastic and it was brilliantly done!!! 

 

@USAFarmgirl, I agree with you so much. I would rather not have any kissing at all if it's going to be one of those stiff as a board kiss---so unrealistic. I think what really works in this drama is the chemistry between the leads...they are so natural together. Even after being interrupted by the brother, the looks of 'please leave'....

 

On 1/10/2018 at 5:07 AM, inna75 said:

And then the almost bed scene ( @triplem..hehe I am with you dear..and tq for the still pics.... the scene made me blushed and wanted a cool shower but that never stop me repeating it over and over again...hahahaha...#dontmindmypervetymind...hahaha). And not to forget the camera angle which capture's Daniel Choi's best side (@back side). Damn ...that make me blushed again!! Hahaha...(ok..need to go for another shower)

 

 

@inna75, it's nice to know that I wasn't the only one who noticed the derriere....easy to see the man works out.

 

 

19 hours ago, sophierai21 said:

Degreesing a little here but I have a feeling that whatever plan that the cutter has might just come back to bite him. the cutter seems to think exposing 2 people in love is the biggest scandal. I for one think his plan is honestly laughable. Really? 

 

@sophierai21, I agree with you that his plan will backfire. I love how they showed the people working with CW and YY already knew. They were just pretending. They also know how she has made CW really become a part of the team and interact with them more than he has before. These two people are single so there is no reason for them to date.

 

I love seeing them together. I laughed at those large couples key chains he bought for them. The office workers would have to be blind not to see them....

 

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21 hours ago, bkchild said:

 

The show actually made a point of saying that he's not making enough of a living. Bo Na is helping to pay his rent with her own money because he's presumably being screwed over by his landlords (this happens a lot to disabled people who can't defend themselves properly) and it's to the point where he might have to move back in with her if it continues. He's not disabled to the point where she literally has to stay at home to take care of him and can't because of company politics, which is what I think you're trying to say, but I want us to be honest about how hard of a time she's having.

 

For all intents and purposes she has a crappy life. She works a crap job with a crap boss that keeps her from having an actual social life (like missing her dads birthday dinner) and has a horrible attitude probably born from a life of struggling and she's bitter that her friend who used to be suffering alongside her is now in a better position and might usurp her and her boss from moving up to the position she wants. It's a case of a person who probably wasn't that nice to begin with and is super self interested being in a bad situation so it's easy for her to turn on her "friend" and that's not a good thing *but* it's for sure a bad situation and her dad being disabled and her having to help take care of him (and thinking Cutter would support her) did impact her decision. The show goes out of it's way to show that instead of just having her decide randomly to turn on YY. 

 

Honestly, I think you give BN too much credit and justification for her attitude. Her father is a capable man; He married and started a family. He worked over the years to provide for his family BEFORE his daughter was old enough to get a job. BN's life isn't crappy, she just wants more. She was ashamed to let her boss know that the man who shined his shoes was her father.  If I feel sorry for anyone, I feel sorry for the father. It's not his fault that he's deaf. 

 

BN's life isn't horrible at all to me. Unlike YY's old boss who I think was much worse, at least Cutter gave BN a choice to join him in his doomed plan. She chose this path because she wants to move up with him. She doesn't have to work with him. She can go back into the pool of assistance and work with someone else; however, she wants to be on top and for that she's willing to betray a friend.

 

Also, the thing about gossip, it flies in the wind.  It's like takin a bag of feathers and letting them blow in the wind. It's impossible to collect them all. That's why so many countries have laws and will let you sue for millions of dollars when your are slandered. 

 

I'm interested to know how YY's friends will feel when they find out what happened.

 

@RobinM, I agree with your post 100%. It's hard to recover a reputation once lost.

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10 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

Poor Bona LoL gettin' so much hate.. 

 

While I don't agree with her actions, I can see why she does what she does. Obviously having a parent who's handicapped cause her to make some (illegal) but urgent decisions. Bona is envious that Yuni seem to have it easy while she on the other work just as hard & not get very far ahead. I don't know.... I don't hate Bona as much as some of you here but rather I feel bad for her. 

 

I have to say, I can't understand her actions at all. She has a father who is deaf, yet he's able to make a living. I know people who are deaf and a couple of friends who translate for the deaf---I don't feel sorry for Bona. He's deaf, but also productive. Sure her parents need some financial assistances, a large percentage of parents need assistance in one way or another as they get older.  Bona lives separate from her parents. If it's so hard for her, then why not move in with her parents to cut cost/expenses.  My aunt was paralyzed in an accident when my cousins (her children) were very young. Having a mother with a disability or handicapped didn't make them mistreat others--which is the same for millions of people around the world; it's not an excuse to treat others badly.  

 

Bona has to be completely blinded by jealousy and envy to even remotely think YY has it easy. YY has had a very difficult boss who cheated constantly on his wife which she was thrown into the middle. The wife then humiliated YY claiming she was having an affair with her husband. YY was betrayed by her boss and lost her job. Bona then, with her boss, posts what she knows to be a lie. Worse, she saw YY crying after she hurt her with her words.

 

Bona has a position in the company working for a leader who has been in a higher position than both of YY's managers. Instead of Bona trying to help her awful manager, like JA and YY who tries to help their manager become a better person and leader, she's only interested in helping him cheat his way to the top. If the campaign that she felt betrayed by YY had been implemented, they would have hurt the company. She can't even see that she and her boss were getting ready to harm the company's reputation and customer confidence. Cheating to the top is going to backfire on the both of them. I personally feel that they both are unethical and should be fired from the company. By posting the lies regard YY having an affair with her previous boss, it then becomes libel. 

 

I know the writer in the end will have YY be very forgiving of a repentant Bona, but I wish it was more realistic and have them go their separate ways.

 

8 hours ago, Dramanoona said:

I wouldn't say I hate her. It's just that she consciously put things in motion to harm YY's career. Even if the company does not condone office romances, she did not spare a thought as to the fallout it would cause YY.

 

Again, karma is going to come around because this boss of hers will dump her as soon as he is promoted. Since she knows too much about him and his techniques. Similar to what YY's ex boss said about why he cut her (YY) loose once he was promoted.

 

@Dramanoona, I agree with you 100%.  I will say that not only did Bona "not spare a thought as to the fallout it would cause YY", she really didn't care. Her motive was to completely destroy Bona. It won't really hurt CW too much, it's going to hurt YY. Bona already knew what the fallout would be because she saw it when YY was fired after being accused of having an affair with her previous boss. Bona's goal was to make it 10 times worse this time around. Not only remind people of YY's previous "affair with a married man", now she's after her new boss. They are painting YY as if she's nothing but a seductress who sleeps her way to the top.

 

@inna75, I don't see anything wrong with CW and YY having a relationship; most marriages are between people who worked together. However, it's the way that they are trying to paint YY's reputation is what is hurtful.
 

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It would be hard to forgive someone like Bona; especially after you realize that she pretended all was well just to steal your photos and post them to a website. Not just any website, but your job website. Bona's intent was to cause humiliation and hurt YY and her career. People like that would be hard to trust again.

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6 hours ago, raziela said:

After watching the subs I see CW at least confirms he has a girlfriend to DH and he holds her hand so I guess that's something.  They still need to clarify where this relationship is going and what exactly they are going to do. I get they are all happy and in love with their new relationship right now but they both know they are playing with fire so they need to properly talk this out and they still have not from what we've seen.  They can't hide the relationship forever and they are not doing a great job keeping it secret. From the preview for next episode it looks like things are going to start getting messy now anyway.  

 

It seems like he and Do Hee were together for years if she was also his girlfriend when he was in the army.  If he did his military service in his early 20s like most Korean men then they were together for well over a decade.  No wonder she's finding it difficult to move on.

 

 

 

Actually at this point, it's too soon to clarify where their relationship is going. They are dating and getting to know each other better. I think it's too soon. 

 

I thought he and Do Hee grew up together because her father took him in after his father died. Are am I getting my dramas mixed up? 

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 For me, I've never seen Bona as a sincere friend to YY. She put on the front/facade of being a friend because she never really saw her as competition so she could be consoling to YY when she lost her job.  Basically, as long as Bona stayed in "her place" working for a manager in a lower position, she didn't feel intimidated so she could then be a 'friend'; however, true friendship isn't that way.  A real friend wants you to succeed and is proud of your accomplishments.  I know how I feel about the successes of some of my friends--I'm so proud of them and glad they're my friend.

 

Who has it worse than JA? Her husband left her, she has to get a job for the first time, she has a son that she's afraid to tell people at work is her son and that she's married.  Yet, she hasn't showed any hostility to any of her friends who has it better than her. I agree that she isn't as ambitious as Bona, but just because you're desperate doesn't mean a real friend will turn on you.....only a fair weather friend does. JA and BY is a good supportive work team that's the underdog in the company. He has an awesome idea and the two of them are truly working together as a team. They are the winning team to me.

 

Changing topics but still on JA.  I didn't like at all how she treated her son in this episode. Her son is in pain and she's letting him just roam the streets without really knowing where he's at or who he's hanging out with. She's not being a mom at the moment. I would be angry if my child (junior high) didn't come home. I would be relieved that he's okay, but furious with him for not checking in on me. I understand that she has a job, but I thought she showed more care to her boss than to her own child......I didn't like that at all.

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On 12/4/2017 at 7:00 PM, ahhhjummahhhjo said:

I have had some time to reflect and type out a lengthy defense of the drama and the last two episodes in question. I've said before that for me, 15 & 16 summed it up neatly and for me it was perfect--I won't take back that statement. My standard for "perfect" was simply that it doesn't go the way Cheese in the Trap did. 

 

But again, having put my thoughts on paper (both physically writing it out and typing it) made me think--am I truly at peace with it? Perhaps, not entirely. That is probably the reason why I am inspired to fill in the blanks of what happened from their reunion to the night they woke up. Again--inspired. This is huge for me personally. I haven't been inspired for such a long time to write. So I was thinking actually, I wish there was a way to thank the writer for crafting something that moves and inspires the creativity in people and meaningful discourse. 

 

Still, I respect those dissenting opinions who feel that there wasn't anything else that the last two episodes needed. What triggers my protectiveness of this drama is those of the opinion that the drama was ruined by the last two. 

 

To be clear, it wasn't. And in my defense having posted a review blog that goes into her take on the drama, I think it took away from the drama a bit but didn't crush the integrity of the drama in her eyes entirely. 

 

What was great about this thread was the ability to air the different sides--to have that space for discussion. To respectfully hear what the other has to say and maybe just agree to disagree. This thread has become such a home for me and a joy to be in that it's painful to read certain things at times--but, as I've said, we have to be able to respect the different perspectives. 

 

This drama is my top one. And yes, I only have nearly 4 years of drama watching experience. Will that make my sentiment any less valid? Will my "inexperience" nullify my right to feel the way I do?

 

I know I'm visiting this thread again after the drama has ended, but I have to say how much I love your post. I have to say this drama is among my top 5 dramas--spanning the many years of me watching dramas.  What I love about this drama are the females. They speak up, they say what is on their minds. I don't feel frustrated in this drama as I do in other dramas. I love how it showed all 3 women dealing with sexual harassment. I love that JH when harassed stood up for herself and decided she wasn't going to take it.  These women were refreshing. I also love how SH and JH's story was developed. For me, it was perfect and it ended perfect. 

 

For me personally, I felt JH needed to leave for two reasons. She needed to do it for herself and I also felt it needed to be done for SH. SH always talked about the things he would never do and how he had his life mapped out--he didn't need anything but his cat and the apartment he was going to die in.  After she left, he realized he didn't want to eat alone. The drama in the first ep or second has SH telling Mr. Park (CEO) that he doesn't want to eat with them. He likes eating alone.  It has SH selling his apartment that he loved so much and was going to die in.  If she had not left, he would not have confronted his real feelings for her.  SH could have stopped her from leaving the first time but he didn't. However, when they meet up again in the last episode, he stops her from leaving although he's angry. He also shares how he feels. If she had not left, he would have never let her into his 'room 19'.  That's why I love this drama and all the eps.

 

Side Note:  I just realized that the dance scene that the CEO was performing as he walked/danced down the street is a take on the dance scene from 500 Days of Summer.

 

Spoiler

 

 

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1 hour ago, ImEatingUrCookies said:

This Ep was SUCH A BLAST to watch!! Cg, pacing, background music, and the story progression was just amazing! Cant wait for ep 4!

 

I have to say that the special effects are not the best, but I have to agree with you, I really enjoyed this episodes. I found some scenes hilarious. I'm hooked.

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16 hours ago, booha said:

**looks like ex FIL is in hospital
(YY)  Who is the person next to you   (ex wife) oppa   (YY) OPPA?!!   

(staff?) About this week’s queen, it’s a good chance she could be sunbaenim’s wife later on? ((* about JA & CW??))   

(YY bro) Can Jwa Yoon-Yi noona be able to satisfy (him)    (YY) ((*YY saying something like ‘shut your mouth’)) 

(CW) Hello  

(staff?) Nam director got a big promotion with a vice president.   

(BN) I would like to move up with directornim     

(YY)  I really like the way directornim’s glasses make you look like you are wearing an intelligent mask
(CW) ((*inaudible)) 

(YY) Meticulously and neatly  

(CW) ((*inaudiable))    This is right, isn’t it?  

(CW) ((*unsure)) With YY ssi I feel rather dazed/ or I feel uneasy  

(JSM) This is the proof that they are living together. This is a full proof. 

 

@booha, Thank you for the translations.  The bold line about from YY, makes me laugh.....'glasses make you look like you are wearing an intelligent mask'.  Hilarious!

 

I have to wonder how far YY's 'friend', BN, will go for her next promotion.

 

@RPM,  thanks for the clips of our leads. They truly have an on camera connection. I'm watching another drama and the chemistry between the leads is missing. People just don't know that they are missing out on a treat in this drama. I didn't expect it to be so good. It's not overly filled with angst, but just enough to keep the plot interesting. More than that, we truly have a romantic couple that we love seeing together.

 

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On 1/3/2018 at 9:35 PM, raziela said:

 personally interpreted in a similar way as @philosophie that he was sorry and guilty towards his ex-wife because he couldn't love her as much or in the way she loved him and the way she deserved to be loved as his wedded wife because he wasn't really in love her. 

 

I'm trying to catch up with this thread. @raziela and @philosophie, I like both of your interpretations of CW's comment about his ex-wife. Even so it's strange for a man to divorce his wife because she loved him more than he loved her...especially when there is nobody that he was interested in outside of his marriage. If he feels guilty towards his wife, it's still would be hard to be in a relationship with a man like that. I hope that his ex-wife has found someone else.  Again, I truly appreciate you all sharing a different interpretation on what was said.

 

 

On 1/4/2018 at 6:00 AM, RPM said:

 

BTS VIDEOS  (YOO JI TAE -CAMEO)

 

@RPM, Thank you for the behind the scene clips. It made me realize how cold those sets must be. I guess they don't turn on the heat if they don't have to. You have the actors dressed as if they are in a warm room, but when you see the crew all bundled up in heavy coats, you realize that it's very cold. Poor actors.

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@maria1983, Thank you. That's what I call an intimate kiss.

 

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5 minutes ago, sassybella said:

Anyway i decided to stop lurking around silently cos i just had to say something as well after reading the recent posts regarding CW and his ex-wife. Ever since he told YY about his marriage in the bus, i have a weird feeling about CW. He said his ex-wife is too good for him and like what @lclarakl mentioned, it is love, to whatever extend it is. So then immediately as i heard that, my thoughts were, is YY not as great? If I were YY and i heard that, i would straightaway think to myself if im not that great thats why he wants to be with me. 

 

Perhaps he sees YY equal to himself and his ex-wife higher than him but still, its a pretty crushing thing to hear for any girl. I would just lose confidence in myself. I wished his reason for the divorce was due to them having contrasting personalities  or like his FIL mentioned, his daughter's flaw was being not detailed enough which would not sit well with CW who is detailed and is a strong point of YY. 

 

@sassybella, OMG, you have captured exactly what I was thinking, but didn't say it. I don't know what woman wants to hear that from a man she liked. He's basically saying, that YY is not on the same level as his ex.....she's better.  This could be a blow to a woman's confidence. I hope the writer make up for this somehow. 

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6 hours ago, sophierai21 said:

Same here! I did feel like BN wasn't really a friend to YY. but after ep 10 I kinda feel for her. She does have a lot going on and it's only natural for her to protect her job. she must probably be the only breadwinner for her family. 

 

Jealousy is all part of human nature. To say that even good close friends shouldn't feel jealous of their well off friends, could be wishful thinking. Speaking from experience, I remember back in college when my best friend got better grades than me and I became jealous of her. Even though she is my best friend, I still felt jealous of her.

 

We are still friends till today but what made the difference I think in our case was that I had to acknowledge some insecurities that I felt that was from within myself. Also, I did flare up at her once before but I realised that my friendship was more important to me than some petty jealousy. 

 

I agree that it's normal to feel a little envious or 'wish it was me' syndrome. I can honestly say though that I never wished for my friends to fail. Their misery became my misery and vice versa. In this drama, BN seems like she was happy or pleased when things might go bad for YY.  YY was upset at knowing that she might have hurt her friend. She couldn't even enjoy her meal or their success in protecting the company's reputation. BN at this point just wants to be successful that she's not even trying to be the voice of reason with her boss, she's determined to be his accomplice in crime.

 

The friends are different in how they support their bosses:

 

YY - wants to be the voice of reason to help guide her boss which makes him better

JA - wants to please her boss, but at the same time wants him to succeed and believes in him, an encourager

BN - wants to please her boss and therefore goes along with whatever he does, even if it's wrong. 

 

BN could transfer but she doesn't to because she wants to climb with him. However, each person has to determine what the price of their success should be. YY had to learn the hard way that success at the cost of your own moral compass is futile. She lost her job, had her boss betray her,  and she was accused of having an affair with her boss. This was all due to her actively working to deceive her boss' wife to cover up his multiple affairs and his bad behavior.  I think for the first YY is truly understanding and appreciating what it's like to be a real assistant in the workplace.

 

Side note:  I don't think I would be happy with the close relationship my boyfriend has with his ex-wife. It's not a stand back, "how are you doing" type of friendship. It's a "warm hug, touchy, let me get the lint off your clothes as we walk arm in arm" kind of friendship. He divorced his wife and gave her everything because he felt he wasn't good enough for her (that in itself denotes love). Not sure what message the writer is trying to deliver, but I wouldn't want to be in a relationship where the man may be divided emotionally between two women. Old flames can reignite.

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BoNa has never really seemed liked a true friend to YY. She always seemed a little jealous of her; however, I also feel very sorry for her too. She's working hard and putting up with a lot to help support her family. It's very obvious that she loves her father. I will say that I didn't like the fact that she didn't acknowledge her father. Maybe she's worried about her petty boss  thinking even more less of her.

 

Then I lost some of my pity for her when she cried and said it was too hard for her....not sure if she was talking about her job or being the child of a deaf father. The actor playing her father is great--he pulls as my heartstring.

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This episode made me laugh so many times. When he said she look like a raccoon, which is his new nickname for her, and she was pleased hearing her new name.......too funny!!!!

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On 12/31/2017 at 12:09 PM, golfishcookp9 said:

 

 

 

@golfishcookp9, you made my day with the behind the scene playfulness between KRW and PSH. That connection behind the scene, shone through in front of the camera. You can see that these are two people who like each other. I don't mean necessarily romantically, but as friends. I wish I could find another drama with this typeof chemistry.

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All that sneezing, I just wanted to say cover your mouth....  The preview is so cute--especially the clips of their feet...can't wait.

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7 hours ago, Jalhanda said:

Finally, somebody was brave enough to state her observation...may I now second her opinion. May I also state that it is not just SSK who is stiff...if you will watch it closely KRW is more stiff than her...in fact he never seemed this unnatural in his past dramas, his awkwardness is quite obvious, his restrained acting is showing and giving us the "cringe" feeling...no wonder his favorite word during the PC and Vlive is "burden"......seems like this drama is giving him a lot of pressure instead of working in a breeze feeling.

 

Oh, I said that on the Black Knight too thread after the 2nd episode--stiff kiss and couple not matching.  However, you said something that lets me know that I'm not the only one....KRW does act stiff and not as relaxed. I really noticed in the last couple of episodes that it made me go back and rewatch Doctors so I could compare one thing.....his eyes. His eyes in Black Knight are not as lively as they are in Doctors.  I couldn't help but wonder what he was thinking as he looked at SSK say her lines. I'm truly hoping that as Black Knight goes on the invisible guard I see will disappear. He and PSH were just natural to me.

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6 hours ago, golfishcookp9 said:

I have watched some parts of black knight just because of KRW i still felts main actress remains stiff in her acting  Black knight bts have not release, wonder how KRW react when facing the main actress ? As in doctors, he looked so shy in front of PSH

 

@golfishcookp9 and @ryoya9, I agree with you both. Their chemistry was off the charts; it could also be seen in the behind the scene clips. Everything just seemed so natural and unforced. PSH didn't look as if she was intimidated by being with a more mature actor; she looked confident in her own skin and with him

 

@golfishcookp9, I said after watching ep 4 that the couple in Black Knight didn't 'match' to me; KRW comes across as a very charismatic man and the female lead's character seems very 'teenagerish', silly and immature--almost like a child acting out. I'm hoping this changes as the drama goes on. I'm enjoying the drama, but more for the story and less for the romance.