[Drama 2016-2017] Guardian: The Lonely and Great Goblin 도깨비

[maryofbethany]

hi, Kim-tak shippers, just a little thoughts, not a fanfic, since i dont write well, lots of grammatical errors.
here something i kept thinking of after being touched by the unintentional confession on one end, and the surprised revelation on the other end.

but i may be imagining too much,as usual...... ep 7, "No, i don't want to leave."

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ET suspiciously asked KS; “you were so strange when you gave them to me… as if you were going to leave. They were like goodbye gifts.  Were you going to leave after I pulled out the sword?” KS: silently stared, slowed down his munching…
ET: “I’m right.  even so, do you still want to leave?”
KS: “No, I don’t want to leave” however, he added: “…. However, if the bride really shows up, the choice won’t be up to me.” (gathered his courage, he tried to hint, to leak a little, when did he discovered, leaking your secret feels that the girl you secretly fond of, is in itself a stolen pleasure.
ET almost tearing up, knowing the answer to her obvious question,  pleaded: “are u going to leave with the real bride?”
KS: “will you let me go?” (he took ‘another bold step’ forward in his heart, in his will, asking in his heart; the crucial factor that I desperately need to know is, will you let me go, it depend on whether will you let  me go. And, did I see trace of comfort and joy when I say “no, I don’t want to go”… )
ET in an immediate “No. I won’t let you go”.   
then, “so you should just leave me… I’ll leave before she shows up.  You can go when I’m not around, so that I don’t find out.”  

(ET already flickering her eyes. Uncontrollably. How to contain the overwhelmed confirmed suspicion, the  much loathed fear, the sudden prick of pain….
Hurt! is a feeling so new to her. Not that she never been hurt before… but in time past, she armoured herself with determination, to rise above those who taunted her and bullied her. She fought back silently not by grudges, remembering her mom watching from above, but refused to feel anything for people meant nothing to her.
but this time, hurt is real, deep, long… uncontrollable, undeniable, unsettlingly. Why?
But this girl, as usual before this guy. When will you learn how to disguise your feels? You allows this ‘900 yrs old amateur in love-relationship’ to read all your feels, when he couldn’t even read your mind (when he has the super power to read others….)
But, this guy.  embraced in the full display of her raw feels… surprised, touched, shakened… this girl made him feels again such deep feels that he was thinking he is incapable of feeling such.. Did not he train himself all these 939 years to be untouchable, unmovable, unshaken, in face of temptation, abstaining from Love-relationship, which he readily denied himself of. Too busy to look for a bride which meant death, and death actually meant ‘release, or freedom’. Unblinkingly, he gazed deep into her, as if a blink will cast a spell, and dispersed the whole confession, vapourised it into nothingness…. So he stayed very still, indulged in the momentnwhile he can, almost holding his breathe, else she can hear his deep breathing, he can’t affort that. Kim shin, I dared you to say, you still cannot see her naked heart bared for you? Of cause he does. In mid of the sadness, there’s a tint surprising element, and it is …… a coveted happiness.
God-forbid’s happiness.

 

[ogrenji]

5 minutes ago, maryofbethany said:

hi, Kim-tak shippers, just a little thoughts, not a fanfic, since i dont write well, lots of grammatical errors.
here something i kept thinking of after being touched by the unintentional confession on one end, and the surprised revelation on the other end.

but i may be imagining too much,as usual...... ep 7, "No, i don't want to leave."

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ET suspiciously asked KS; “you were so strange when you gave them to me… as if you were going to leave. They were like goodbye gifts.  Were you going to leave after I pulled out the sword?” KS: silent stared.
ET: “I’m right.  even so, do you still want to leave?”
KS: “No, I don’t want to leave…. However, if the bride really shows up, the choice wont be up to me.”
ET almost tearing up, pleaded: are u going to leave with the real bride?
KS: “will you let me go?” ET in an immediate “No. I won’t let you go, so you should just leave me…”
ET: “ I’ll leave before she shows up.  You can go when I’m not around, so that I don’t find out.” 

ET already flickering her eyes. Uncontrollably. How to contain the overwhelmed confirmed suspicious, the much loathed fear, the sudden prick of pain…. Hurt. Was a feeling so new to her. Not that she never been hurt before… but in time past, she armoured herself with determination, to rise upon those who taunted her and bullied her. She fought back silently not by grudges, but refused to feel anything for people meant nothing to her.
but this time, hurt is real, deep, long… uncontrollable, undeniable, unsettlingly.
But this girl, as usual before this guy. When will you learn how to disguise your feels? You allows this amateur in love-relationship to read all your feels, when he couldn’t even read your mind (when he has the super power to read others….)
But, this guy.  embraced in the full display… surprised, touched, shakened, regretted… this girl made him feels again such feels. Did not he trained himself all these 939 years to be untouchable, unmovable in face of temptation, such of Love-relationship, which he readily denied himself of. Too busy to look for a bride which meant death, and death actually meant ‘release, or freedom’. Unblinkingly, he gazed deep into her, as if a blink will cast a spell, and dispersed the whole confession, vapourised it into nothingness…. So he stayed very still, indulged in the moment while he can. Kim shin, I dared you to say, you still cannot see her naked heart, bared for you? Of cause he does. In mid of the sadness, there’s a tint surprising element, something he never dare asked for, and it is ……
happiness.

 

 

Love your writing!, can you make all the episodes best moment "thoughts"  just kidding it would be hard right xD 

I wonder if in south korea,they make a novel published out of a movie/drama. Moana has the movie turns to novel xD i wish goblin has a novel too. 

Anyway i always like reading stories than watching, it sparks up your imagination with the detailed description of each character emotion and thoughts. Thanks for the fanfic/thoughts, hope many will came out hehe x)

[packmule3]

23 hours ago, phikyl said:

Yay! I was hoping you'd address that! 

I see the list of tags is getting longer. Lol! So many familiar names.

I feel like Goblin is the new W&C. On the surface it's slow and the plot isn't gripping but if you look deeper, there's a lot going on. It's so similar in feel that I've been keeping an eye on previews to see if there are any changes in the preview vs actual scene too....

 

@phikyl, on Ball Fakes.

As a sister and mother of basketball players, I cheer whenever I see a good ball fake on the court. A ball fake is an intentional movement by the ball-handler to DECEIVE his defender and throw him OFF BALANCE, so he can get himself or a teammate a clear shot at the basket. If it’s done well, I salute the audacity of the ball-handler to fool his guard. 

Here are examples of a ball fake, if you're not into basketball.

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But ball fakes aren’t only limited to experienced basketball players. A metaphorical ball fake can also be achieved by virtuoso writers and directors. The writer/director will try to distract the viewers from noticing clues -- for instance, by BURYING them in seemingly innocent actions, by using red herrings, or by dismissing them as jokes. 

They will redirect suspicion in order to advance their narrative, in the same manner the basketball player will fake out his defender to take a shot at the basket. In Episode 8, I think there were at least 5 such “ball fakes” done. I'll go over them as quickly as possible. But pace yourself; don't read everything in one go. I tend to give people eyestrain.  

1. The first "ball fake" was the breaking of dishes.

Did you see it? 

From Episode 7, the viewers already know that the queen-in-training broke ceramic bowls. Then in Episode 8, the viewers see ET rushing to the living room at the sound of breaking ceramic. She spots Shin lying on the marble floor, and the Reaper sweeping away broken pieces. Now, the casual viewers will NOT SEE the connection between the broken bowls and the broken dish because they are NOT MEANT to notice anything amiss.

But the camera focuses on the Reaper’s broken dish twice: when he is sweeping the pieces and when he is dumping them in the trash. 

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Look: a director will not waste time and film footage spotlighting an insignificant object UNLESS it’s critical to the plot. Also, he will try to BURY the supposedly “insignificant” object in another on-going action so he can use it as a plot twist later on. So, what is the director trying to hide here? hmmm....

To me, the intent here is to deceive the viewers. They’ll add 1 + 1 together and assume cause-and-effect, namely: that Shin drops the dishes as he collapses to the ground, and that the Reaper cleans up after Shin. The viewers will NOT suspect a “ball fake” here.  You see, it’s possible that there are two separate, and non-related, events happening, namely: 1) Shin is lying on the ground to sleep off his exhaustion/pain and 2) the Reaper accidentally breaks the dishes HIMSELF which he proceeds to clean up.

(Like the Queen-in-training broke the bowls centuries ago.)

In fact, the demeanor of the Reaper suggests that he is neither surprised nor shocked to see Shin collapsed on the ground (because Shin did NOT collapse but instead, chose to lie down there). Moreover, ET’s gentle reproach that “adults shouldn’t be lying down to sleep anywhere” implies that she accepts that Shin CHOSE to sleep there.  He didn’t just lose consciousness and accidentally drop the dish as he collapses.

The "ball fake" here is to cover up the Reaper's and the queen's similar situation. If the viewers had seen the same breaking of the ceramics, they'd have sensed déjà vu. 

2. The second “ball fake” involved the mirror.  

This mirror --

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Often, critical viewers wonder why directors select certain shots and angles.  Here, I think it's noteworthy that the director suddenly stops doing close-up shots, and shoots the characters as viewed THROUGH this mirror.  Why?  

Here is the scene as it unfolds:

Reaper: I just feel like that I’ve seen her somewhere before.

(flashback of the queen smiling at Shin and getting shot by an arrow. Reaper and Shin exchange looks. Shin lowers the scroll from his shoulder. Camera changes from close-up view of their faces to a mirror shot. As the camera is focused on the mirror, Shin begins to speak.) 

Shin: And who is the woman you know that looks like her (his sister)?

See it, @phikyl?

The editing is cleverly and meticulously done, and that’s why to me, this is an intentional “ball fake.” The director is using a TV trope involving mirrors, that is, the mirror reflects the true answer.  Remember your Snow White and the magic mirror? The witch asks “Who’s the fairest one of all?” and the mirror reveals the truth and replies, “Snow White.”

Here, in our case, the Reaper wonders why the girl looks familiar and Shin asks him who does he think she is. The mirror holds the key: the girl looks familiar to the Reaper because he’s seen his OWN REFLECTION on a mirror before, while to Shin, the reflection on the mirror reveals HIS SISTER's image standing in front of him but he doesn't recognize her. 

Like the broken ceramic, the mirror is not an inconsequential prop. To me, the director is using the mirror to create a tension between what is viewed up-close (just two men talking) and what appears through the looking glass.

Later, when the Reaper tries to practice saying "big brother" on the other mirror and fails to do so, I thought the director is again reinforcing this idea of the mirror as a reflection of his true self.  The Reaper can't admit it because it's too mind-boggling for him to consider at the moment. 

3. The third “ball fake” is DH. 

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At 21:37, he says “Dongsaeng” to the Reaper. 

The obvious interpretation here is that he is simply describing the relationship of Shin and his sister to the Reaper. Dramafever actually subbed it that way: “Oh, so it was a younger sister and not an older one.” But the other interpretation is he (unwittingly) calls the Reaper by his true identity, as in “you’re the donsaeng.” Like a slip of the tongue. 

Also, when DH proposes that the two men are siblings, they immediately shut it down with a threat to kill him. The viewers laugh it off, of course. Since DH is considered a fool in the story, whatever he comes out of his mouth is considered foolish. However, if we look at the script again we know that DH actually understands and ABSORBS situations faster than he appears to.  For instance, he discovers the identify of Shin before Shin tells him. And he also deduces the identity of the Reaper based on their encounters. So, for him to suggest that Shin and the Reaper are siblings isn’t too nonsensical as it appears. He may be onto something....

It’s possible that the writer/director are setting him up to show the "wisdom of fools".  He's a "ball fake."  Poor kid. 

4. The fourth “ball fake” here is the name.  

To me, the names are a red herring or a misleading hint because as I've pointed to @LyraYoo the names can go either way. Wang Yeo is the King's name but reverse it and you have Yeowang, and that Korean word means queen (or according to wiki, a queen who rules without a King. )

But I know. I know.... People believe that the scene when Shin wrote their names is conclusive proof of the royal identities. And the writer/director certainly went all the way to give this impression in that calligraphy/lantern/stabbing scene. 

But I will have to disagree. Why? 

Because there’s ANOTHER way to interpret that scene.  The same “proof” or evidence can be used to bolster the counter-argument that the Reaper is the Queen, not the King.

This is the general consensus: 

a. Whenever the Reaper sees the Queen’s ring and the Queen’s painting, he cries because he remembers the pain he as the King inflicted upon his Queen. He regrets his actions. 

(Note: I question the theory that he regrets them, because there’s been no concrete evidence in the script, as of Episode 8, that he’s shown remorse.) 

b. With the calligraphy scene, the Reaper now feels pain as well when Shin writes his name down. Why? Because the Reaper is being “stabbed” by guilt or remorse with every stroke of the brush of Shin, since he banished Shin from Goryeo. 

(And again: I must point out that, as of Episode 8, there is NO scene, NO evidence in the kdrama that the King ever felt guilty or repentant for sending Shin to exile/death. This is conjecture, as of Episode 8.)

Now this is the counter-proposal. 

The Reaper cries when he sees the Queen’s ring because it is HIS, and he cries and clutches his chest when he sees the Queen’s painting because it is HIM. When Shin wrote the King’s name, Wang Yeo, he doubles up in in pain and clutches his chest because the King is the one who killed HIM, the former Queen. Shin is writing the name of his “killer,” and that’s why every brushstroke feels like an arrow piercing him. 

Do you see the simplicity of the counter-argument? The speculation about the guilt/remorse of the King doesn’t even come into play.  

But what about the name, you might ask? Sunny is Kim Sun and Shin definitely wrote Kim Sun for the queen’s name. 

True. But didn’t you hear Kim Shin’s previous names? In Episode 5, ET asks for his name, and he is silent for a while. Then, he lists the names he used before: Yoo Jung Shin, Yoo Jae Shin, Yoo Shin Jae.  Even his current name is different because in Episode 8, DH was surprised to know that his real name is Kim Shin, meaning he is NOT using/not known as Kim Shin at the present time.  

That’s the clue right there, @phikyl. Names change over time. His name varied over the centuries but what remained constant was “Shin” meaning “god”.

I think this may be true for Sunny as well. Kim Sunny is her current name, but that does NOT mean that Kim Sun was the name she had throughout the centuries, in previous reincarnation. Like Shin, she may possess different names, but what will remain constant is the first name “Sun” -- or Sunny. I actually prefer her as Sunny. (And I told you right? That the Sun represents the King. lol) 

More ominously, Sunny herself REJECTS that name Kim Sun which was given to her by the fortuneteller because she feels it is goody-goody or too pure. I believe this is a foreshadowing.  

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Okay, got to end here, and take a walk around the neighborhood before it gets too late. I've to get rid of excess pounds gained over the couple of days. Plus, I’ve got one more “ball fake” to explain… and it relates to a paradox so I’ve to clear my head first. See you later.

I'm tagging in general, instead of responding individually to you ladies to save space on soompi. 

@maryofbethany I’ll comment on your post in a while. Thank you for your thoughtful response!

@romanov, @nearsea, @vivvianne22 @salz

@LyraYoo I LOVE LOVE your compilation of gifs re. Reaper. You're absolutely right!  He gives a whole new dimension to Drama Queen.   I'm sorry I didn't comment earlier.

@ariesw Yes, thank heavens for English teachers! I love my English teacher in high school, too. Sometimes I wish I took her advice and studied literature instead of joining the family firm....Lol.

@gutibear No worries about English, dear! I envy you for knowing two languages. That’s one more than me.

@12blbl I thought the fate/destiny was pretty interesting, too. I didn’t expect the writer to have used the contrasting characters so well. Come to think of it, that’s another reason why I thought the Queen = the Reaper…because she was passive and resigned to her fate of death.  Both the King and Shin were active participants and took control of their lives. Shin even chose the person to stab him with his sword.

@letataves Oh! Is that why you were lurking in my profile? Hahaha. Welcome to soompi!  I’m glad you came forward. Don’t forget to post your opinions. Feel free to tag me otherwise, I'll miss it.  

@hushhh Why are you up at the weirdest time ever? lol. I agree about your comment on Sunny’s lack of character development. And yes, DH does seem to be moving along more than Sunny. I hope she's not just a foil here.

@naritul No problem! But are you regretting that I'm tagging you now?  

@drmjs Are you here, too?  Awesome. I still remember our discussion on the Great Gatsby.

@staygold Hey there, do you hang out here 24/7? Good for you!

 @NRGchick Yes, I totally agree that the gods didn't factor love in the equation. Which kinda makes them not-godlike at all, doesn't it?  They're not omniscient as I thought they would be. I was going to comment on this zero-sum game that the cabbage grandma was playing with Shin. But @phikyl has me working on another thing right now, so will have to get back to you on this later. Take care now. 

[Princi_86]

Awwww! Hug me, hug me! I volunteer! Some here might think that I don't like bromance, but I'm freaking love it both on and mostry off screen!  How not to love it when I see my favorite oppa smiling brightly so much when he's with his friend? The same he does with his other celeb friend Cho Se Ho. 

I bet today all Twitter will be full of gifs from this video, especially hug. It was so sweet! I wish WY and KS will hug each other after they'll figure out everything.

 

[Princi_86]

1 hour ago, gamshe said:

I am not sure about my choice of fonts so I made two version with/out fonts  I just love this scene so much and these lyrics from the Who Are You OST felt like they were written for this couple...So... I love you WangSun 

 

@gamshe oh, I love your arts. Choice of fonts are suitable as well! Lyrics too. Have you done editing by yourself? It's really nice! This couple seriously needs more scenes. Thank you for supporting them! ^^

Here is another collage (very simple but so touching) which I like a lot. 

 

Like I said, they have already done a lot of gifs hehe.

 

And really love this drawing. Every sinlge detail is just perfect. I'm so jealous. haha. I wish I could draw. 

 

 

 

[ChunSungIm]

 

 

for her role as eun tak a 19 year old high schooler,kim go eun never uses thick makeup.

because her skin so white and flawless she just added little make up in her face and some lip tint.

 

 

[gamshe]

@Princi_86 yes i did it myself ^^ and I agree that they need more scenes...and more cinematographicly pretty scenes...that bridge scene is the only one in terms of it. :((( they are always sitting in a cafe or just walking for 10 seconds and that's it ahhh i am in need of yoo inna my queen ㅠㅠㅠ

[Princi_86]

So cute! New official bts.Currently promoted on main page.

They need Sunny as a new roommate to complete this perfect scenes of friendship. And KGE looks so pretty here.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, blademan said:

JUST BOUGHT THE BODY SHOP WHITE MUSK!!!!! OHMAHGAH  IT SMELLS SO GOOD!!!!

My suwaag chingu ..how cute ...definitely a PPL success story , lol! Enjoy your new purchase 

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lost track of what has been posted ..am loving the bromance a lot ... (credit to IG owner) 

 

[Sunshine_Her]

I only want to buy White Musk if GONG YOO FACE is on it. lol. Where can I get this???

Seeing a subway on the street or eating it actually makes me sad. I can only think about Goblin drama while i eat my sandwich.

Subway will never be the same.

[shynaz]

18 minutes ago, Princi_86 said:

So cute! New official bts.Currently promoted on main page.

They need Sunny as a new roommate to complete this perfect scenes of friendship. And KGE looks so pretty here.

 

Wow them are so cute.Now I feel jealous to ET

[Chellsee]

27 minutes ago, Princi_86 said:

So cute! New official bts.Currently promoted on main page.

They need Sunny as a new roommate to complete this perfect scenes of friendship. And KGE looks so pretty here.

 

Thanks for sharing this pics. I really love the smile of our lovely couple.  

2 more days of waiting...

 

[shynaz]

Episode 9 is confirm but episode 10 still not sure...source from tvn guide..

I try to read korea...Oh My I to obsessed this drama

[chibimidori]

1 minute ago, shynaz said:

Episode 9 is confirm but episode 10 still not sure...source from tvn guide..

I try to read korea...Oh My I to obsessed this drama

so we will have episode 9 this week right?..

i'm dying waiting for them... 

[shynaz]

6 minutes ago, chibimidori said:

so we will have episode 9 this week right?..

i'm dying waiting for them... 

still dont have content date 31 dicember..The say schedule will change based on broadcaster..

[ryudian]

hey guysss, I'm new in this forum, even tho i've been lurkin in soompi's forum since forever, kekkee.

I've been wondering where can i watch Goblin's behind the scene? in youtube? but other than dramafever's account?

please let me know if you guys know

[Princi_86]

For those who was hesitant if episodes will be canceled or not, in that article with bts is mentioned that episode 9 will be broadcasted on 30th December. At least 1 ep saved!

한편 tvN 10주년 특별기획 금토드라마 '쓸쓸하고 찬란하神-도깨비' 9회 분은 오는 30일(금) 저녁 8시에 방송된다

 

[Princi_86]

@ryudian you can find lots of bts featuring mostly Lee Dong Wook but Gong Yoo and others as well at King Kong's Youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfj1cHTYDjPrbGtcGKradvA

As for tvN's official bts check here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9w-h_ciMmX64TcLRcb1xPg

[CatchMine_ID]

Chingus... I feel so devastated right now. I just need to see my own profpict a.k.a that cute dokkaebi doll that I want jebal and to see you guys in this forum. I just hope that new episodes will be aired this week, jebal, jebal... Thank you for all of your posts in this forum, healing me, the success PPL tho hahaha :'

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My YouTube account that contains Goblin OST FMVs my love is terminated. I'm really grateful for people share their love to me as I share my love and re-interpreted clips to this show, but yeah... Is TvN use third-party copyrights striker? (Please tell me if anyone know about this) because I don't received any email about it and when I check the page it says been striked by Remove Your Media LLC, not TvN or CJENM (but CJENM allows the song to be used with monetized by claimant). I'm really sad cause the vids stay for a week and I check other account FMVs is still healthy and well (is not striked)... Why it was like only me? Omg...

if anyone here who share the excitement with my CatchMine_ID1 account, thank you so much you've made my day

I decided to try my second and last attempt at least as an archived one at my another secondary channel for those Goblin OST FMVs here at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxcKJ4FY5slCwtwiR3qYjeg (if maybe this page reader is one of my subsriber), thank you for all the loves you give me 

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[ryudian]

@Princi_86 how about the one with english subtitle? hehehe, i ask too much, right?