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On 21.12.2015 at 7:19 PM, mdj101 said:
Monday ---December 21,2015 10 AM EST
@12blbl ---- Lucky for me that you asked @jadecloud about the "signature" at bottom of our ACCOUNT. Thank you.
But when I followed the instructions, I clicked on ACCOUNT SETTINGS ---then continue with the instructions.
Check out my plain list of show..
It seems that you've only skipped 'I Have a Lover':)
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41 minutes ago, chubbychub1966 said:
Really enjoyed the Spa scene. Especially JE
Looks like I will be making a new signature soon!!! Maybe after watching the whole scene my impression will change, but, frankly, I don't like what I see in the gif animation right now, as it reminds me of Seol-ri rolling over the grass, in an effort to make Jin-eon put on the new shoes
P.S. Sorry, chingu, didn't mean to ruin the mood...
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23 minutes ago, liltash85 said:
WHAT???? Can u elaborate this?
Don't panic, chingu
That was just a sarcastic reaction to the question: "SO JE AND THE KILLER WORKING TOGETER..?....... "
In fact, I shouldn't have been surprised as I've already seen the attempts to put the blame for almost anything that's happened to Hae-gang on Jin-eon's shoulders, like 'Hae-gang had an accident because of Jin-eon', while Tae-seok is a heavenly angel incarnate, but to think that Jin-eon is working with his daughter's killer is just too much...
I'm not sure if @Eva Kirkland was joking or I misunderstood her, but that query sounded like she was serious, hence the serious tone of my comment
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On 20.12.2015 at 6:31 PM, kiefshi1056 said:
will there be a JE 2.0 too hehehe.. wahhh MR. & MRS 2.O on a mission
loving the couple. I just hope that BS wont be stupid enough to tell SR whats his and HG plan
Actually, if there is a transformation on Jin-eon's part, it will be Jin-eon 3.0, as we've seen two different versions already; Jin-eon in the first 9 episodes and Jin-eon we've been observing from ep 10 onward
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On 20.12.2015 at 6:09 PM, Eva Kirkland said:
SO JE AND THE KILLER WORKING TOGETER..?.......
Yeah... And it was actually Jin-eon who convinced the man to murder his daughter.
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On 20.12.2015 at 6:00 PM, andy78 said:
WJ TELLS PARK THAT SHE NEEDED TO TELL HER MOM BECAUSE YK WANTED TO REPORT AUNT TO THE POLICE...HG CALLED DOC PARK...THEY MEET AND TALK ...TALK ABOUT YK AND WJ...I THINK IS ABOUT THE CENTER WHERE WJ NEEDS TO BE SENT...
Actually, the doctor's surname is Min - Min Gyu-seok; Min Tae-seok's younger brother.
And what we hear as Park-sa Min is, in fact, "박사님" [bagsanim], which means "doctor"
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On 19.12.2015 at 6:18 PM, mdj101 said:
WOW You guys must have super fast PC's ! I couldn't switch very quickly.
Started to feel really sorry for JE --- how many flights did he run up? And I've never seen him at the gym or doing any treadmills. He looked like he was dying! GOOD ACTING, JJH.
I know he works hard to stay in shape (Heard in an interview )
Thanks for all your recaps. I'll read some and come back later.
Good Night. (morning?)
Here is Jin-eon doing a treadmill!:)
Can't recall which episode this scene was in though ...
behind the scenes
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On 19.12.2015 at 6:08 PM, trust71 said:
JE GO TO THE HOTEL WHERE DHK STAY AND HE SAW BS HOLDING SOME BOQUET OF FLOWER AND HE CHASE HIM THRU STAIRCASE ....HE SAW DHK THAT SHE'S HAPPY RECIEVING THE FLOWER.....
DHK SAY THAT KSL IS THE GINEA PIG OF THE MEDICINE PUDOXIN.....BS AND DHK IS DRINKING WINE AND JE OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND THE EEENNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.
I wonder if it means Seol-ri is going to have a disability like Moon Tae-joon, the guy who died in the hit and run accident, or die...
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On 19.12.2015 at 6:00 PM, trust71 said:
WOO-JOO AND JE MEET AGAIN AND ..WOO-JOO CALL HIM PORORO AHJUSSI......
JE AND WOO-JOO WILL HAVE A DATE THEY GO AND EAT ICE-CREAM..WOO-JOO TELL JE WHAT DHK DID TO HER WHEN THEY FIRST MET....
In the drama "Take Care of Us, Captain" Gu Hye-seon's little sister called him 'Penguin Ajeossi' because he taught her where penguins live.
There! Now he is a "penguin" again, lol
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17 hours ago, jadecloud said:
JOINS News: Kim Hyun Joo - An Extraordinary Acting Professional.
(getting prettier, and IMO, in IHAL, she seems to give a 'womanly sexy vibe'... no?)
CR: http://news.joins.com/article/19304791Gist of article:
KHJ is getting rave reviews for her portrayals in 'I Have A Lover'. Article also mentioned her past projects and her growth as an actress thus far.
KHJ-ssi FIGHTING!-------------------
@DelroyB You are right. Writernim Bae loves parallels! And...same to you and yours, and @deandraluv @myonenonly @lenet @LHRCN_ @my2centsworth @irilight @suchadiva42 @valsava @trust71 @andy78 @zagigirl @lclarakl @Katrina Abdul Talib @ymiss @drmjs @iamtaken @chubbychub1966 @Lmangla @mdj101 @thegoldbug @koreanczazzy @tiMadam @kikotaichou @Jalhanda @Kehinde @SujathaS @yunra89 @ayselluna @kimnana41 @Nahoku Activities @rairamegumi @alekaonu @Eva Kirkland @isprawl @berny @kiefshi1056 @Misstwilightfan1416 @liltash85 @9angels and all LOVERS (and you I have missed, biyane) ...
Have a...
Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays & A Great New K-Year!
PS: Btw, am I the only one with 'soompi problems'? the thread doesn't display properly but good thing I can still read
fingers crossed for not getting 'defaulted out' when ep 33 airs... *pray*
Thank you, dear!
Merry Christmas to you and your family too!
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lclarakl said:
You and I had a discussion long ago where I said that actions speak louder than words. All the examples you gave don't even compare or come close with JE. HK's 'forget the kid' was said in a moment of frustration and you saw her pain later as she cried. When she spoke to her immature mother out of a moment of frustration, but observed her mother closely after she got out of the car to see what she would do next and be ready to help. BS' "I'm hating you now" who spoke from a place of pain after what he perceived as YK2's betrayal, but with no real conviction behind his words or even believable--HK also knew it. BS saying that he couldn't stand her 4 years ago. I'm sure he didn't and would have probable sent her home packing if she had a home to go to, but he stuck it out with her. That's why I say that he may have initially liked YK2 because he thought she was YK, but he came to love YK2/HK the person he got to know over the past 4 years.
In every example you mentioned, these people contradicted their words with their ACTIONS. JE didn't contradicted himself, he reinforced his words with actions and showed it at every turn where HK was concerned---AND he did it for 9 episodes (JE's biggest bone of contention IMO is that he blamed HK for their daughters death and he expected more out of her in the way of guilt). That's why JE is telling HK now how sorry he is and that he now understands that she was grieving too. That he couldn't understand it before.
So it wasn't a matter of taking what he said only at face value, it was also his actions behind his words. Actions speak louder that words. You have also read my post where I said that HK gets on my nerves because she says things, but she doesn't follow them up with actions.
Yes, we had a discussion long ago, where I said both actions and words can speak loud enough, depending on a situation.
And I think the examples I gave, do compare and come close with Jin-eon, because like Hae-gang and Baek-seok, he also said nasty things in moments of frustration, and we often could see him cry as he pronounced those.
If you think that Baek-seok's "I couldn't stand you 4 years ago" was a false statement, then your saying "he stuck it out with her" contradicts your own thought, because if he'd had no difficulty being around her, then there would have been nothing to endure.
Also, if it'd been like you suggest, then he wouldn't have tried changing her personality.
Jin-eon couldn't stand Hae-gang due to her neglectful attitude to Eun-sol's demise as well as her having been OK with using shabby and manipulative tricks, which Hae-gang was aware of.
There was no way for him to contradict his words unless Hae-gang had disproved him first, which she never did for 9 episodes. On the contrary, she was constantly proving him right and thus, making him reinforce his words with actions.
However, if he'd really hated her, he wouldn't have rescued her from the river, but would have rejoiced that he got rid of the burden and now could live happily with his "precious" Seol-ri.
As for the bone of contention, we have never been shown that he blamed Hae-gang for their daughter's death, but even if he'd ever done, it was her misdeed again that might have provoked such a response.
You have romanticized JE's reaction and made ES an object, when their reaction is really something common that every parent who has lost a child goes through. His pain at losing ES is not because she was a symbol or object of love, it is because she was his dearly beloved child (regardless if there is love between him and HK or not). The only difference is the writer has given JE the reaction and response that is usually what the mother says and does. HK reactions is that of what the man normally does---men normally want to have sex to try and rebuild their relationship and get close.
However, JE didn't reframe from having sex with SR. JE didn't reframe from touching SR. He didn't reframe from playing basketball and laughing with his co-workers. All his hatefulness was directed at HK because he blamed her and he resented her for not grieving from a place of guilt. When JE says at the hospital that he resented her for ES, his actions showed he did. When he said he still loved her even then, his actions showed he didn't.....he wouldn't have been able to have an affair if he loved her.
Just like I “have romanticized Jin-eon’s reaction and made Eun-sol an object”, you also diabolized Jin-eon’s character and made Hae-gang an object.
My point about Eun-sol being a symbol of love to Jin-eon wasn’t related to his pain at losing her, but to the reason why he rejected Hae-gang’s overtures, which he found insincere, because to him, if she’d really loved him and wanted to have another child with him, she should have mourned their daughter first, who was supposed to be an object of love as long as their feelings were mutual.
He refrained from touching and having sex with Hae-gang because he yearned for emotional intimacy, more than anything.
If what he had for Hae-gang was mere lust, like you'd tried offering earlier, he wouldn't have denied himself the pleasure of lovemaking with someone he'd pursued so vigorously, "with the only objective to have her".
But namely because to him, Hae-gang was first of all the object of love rather than lust, unlike the case with Seol-ri, he knew that without emotional intimacy, they would have had sex but not lovemaking, which is supposed to continue to be an expression that can be carried over into many interactions between a couple.
He didn't want to "use" her to satisfy his sexual needs, as Do Hae-gang wasn't that existence in his life.
But, it was different with Seol-ri, because there hadn't been any emotional intimacy between then in the first place. He was attracted to her, since she was pretty and he had need of physical contact, that's it.
Unfortunately, he did use her for several purposes, which is why he is sorry to her as well.
As to his behaviour at home vs outside, Hae-gang tormented him with her cold-blooded attitude to Eun-sol's decease, and Jin-eon 'paid her back' with his aloofness. This is why outside the house, he played basketball, laughed with his co-workers etc., but around her, turned into someone else.
Nevertheless, he's always loved Hae-gang; be it when he'd tried and broke himself in pieces to support her with her bar exam and to pay off her mother's debts, when he begged her to show human reaction to their loss, which could have helped her release negative emotions trapped in her body and could have also saved their relationship, which was on the rocks (mainly due to this reason), when he hesitated to fill out the divorce papers and hand them to her for a while, despite realizing, it was inevitable, when he took care of her all night long after her suicide attempt instead of just leaving her in a hospital, when he asked her to send the wedding ring to him so that he would "throw it away himself", and so on.
As regards the affair, it was a terrible sin and mistake, which Jin-eon is deeply remorseful of and is willing to atone for, even if it means, he will lose Hae-gang once and for all.
Most people who commit suicide do so after so many things that have piled up, that at that particular moment, they can't deal with it anymore. My sister's friend whose husband committed suicide in front of her in the car while they were still in the parking lot at the therapist office. I can promise you, he did not do it in front of her hoping she would stop him. After reliving some of the pass during that session, he couldn't endure the pain a second longer.
When HK told JE that she really wanted to die, I believe her and her actions supported it. Just as her anger at remembering that she tried to kill herself shows it was a real attempt. Drowning is one of the most horrible deaths a person can experience. Breathing in water is not normal and most people who have a desire to live, would struggle against taking water into their lungs. HK didn't struggle because at that moment, she was depleted. She wanted to die and JE rescuing her, was not part of the equation.
I don't know if you've ever stayed up all night for several nights, but it can take a toil on you mentally, physically and emotionally. HK had many sleepless nights as JE slept at SR's place or at the lab. I'm sure she received a call from her mother telling her that JE had rescued SR and took her with him. She's outside waiting for JE to come home and he never does. It begins to rain and she thinks about his promise that he would always love her. She is emotionally crushed by his betrayal and after 6 episodes of chasing after JE and trying to fend off SR, it's taking its toil on her. When she finally discovers where JE is late the next morning. Her emotions are so raw at that point that when she sees the smiley face bubble gum, she's almost overcome with emotions in an elevator full of people. She arrives and sees their shoes outside the house--a symbol that they slept together in the same room--another stab to the heart of a mentally drained woman who is in pain. Then to hear JE, who words were 'always used as a weapon' towards her, calls out happily and playfully for SR to come back in and lay down with him, then teasingly began to count saying he will come out--that is a lot to take after the way he has been treating her for a year. Her hands shake and she stumbles backwards and runs away to the water's edge. Later she sees JE being affectionate to SR, allowing SR to kiss him and he brush back her hair and he smiles deeply into her eyes (these are things that HK2 remembers very vividly).......these were all things that JE refused her as his wife, but was doing with this younger woman. HK wanted to die at that moment, because her pain was unbearable at that moment. There was no thought of JE rescuing her, she wanted to escape her pain.
I do not dispute that Hae-gang’s suicidal attempt could be real, not a manipulative technique to make Jin-eon stay with her, but her expecting him to rescue her, as well as her doing it in order to give him a scar he could never get rid of, could be quite possible as well.
There is no way we can know what thoughts were passing through her mind at the moment, so we can only speculate.
But again, quite many things and more distressing ones had already piled up by the time she ran away and stood at the water's edge, so her jumping into the river upon seeing Seol-ri kiss Jin-eon on the cheek and him brush her hair back, looks just weird to me.
If she really wanted to die and it wasn't intended for Jin-eon to witness, she could have attempted suicide in front of Min Tae-seok, and her death would have been guaranteed then. And if, by some odd chance, she'd managed to survive, Tae-seok, unlike Jin-eon, might have even taken her to hospital, like he did to Yong-gi.
Honey, I can tell you have never been to Southern United States of America. Calling people 'honey' runs neck in neck with calling them 'Sugar' and 'Darling' and it's said to complete strangers.
I have to wonder if you have not watched real live news clips or read the newspaper where people have rescued complete strangers and were moved to tears after the fact. Even police officers experience this emotional rush. JE didn't take her to the hospital but should have. A part of me think he did it to protect himself and his affair. There would have been questions asked how did his wife almost drown--she could swim. If there hospital are anything like the U.S., she would be required to have an extended stay for evaluation.
Since JE always thought the absolute worst of her, automatically blaming her for the pictures that were sent to him, for SR being fired, for leaving him in the burning building, always questioning her motive, he may have felt she did it on purpose.
I only recall JE having a nightmare once when he was unconscious. No it doesn't count, because he didn't let it stop him from twisting the knife in HK deeper. It should have really brought home what he was about to lose. Instead he got out of his hospital bed at hearing that his precious SR was fired, went home and got on his knees to beg his father to let him divorce HK, throw her away, etc, etc.
Honey, we are discussing a Korean drama, not terms of endearment used in Southern United States.
I also have to wonder if you have not read articles where such Korean terms are reviewed.
The word 'Yeobo' ('Honey'), used by Jin-eon while trying to resuscitate Hae-gang, is only used between a married couple, and cannot be used to addess a stranger.
SpoilerAnd taking into account how sensitive he is about its usage, which could be seen in the hospital scene, where Hae-gang addressed him as 'Yeobo', and he said: "Thoughtlessly, don't call me as you see fit", means that he himself doesn't use it thoughtlessly either, hence his calling her 'Yeobo' in the above-mentioned scene, leaves as much unspoken as was shown.
As for why he didn't take her to hospital, it could be because there was no hospital nearby, so he had to bring her to that place.
By the way, I can't recall where it was mentioned that Hae-gang can swim. Can she, really?
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Jin-eon's always questioning Hae-gang's motives was because she was continually giving him ground for doubt.
She did arrange for Seol-ri to be transferred to Stanford, and it happened just at the same time the photos got spread around the campus. Moreover, just before the explosion, Jin-eon saw a bag of his belongings, which Hae-gang had previously brought and placed on the envelope with the photos, which she didn't have an opportunity to unseal.
He opened the bag and had a recollection of her suicide attempt, the one I spoke of in my last post. And when he picked it up, he saw the envelope...
Along with everything else, it was Hae-gang he'd seen in the Hanok village, where the photos were taken, not Jin-ri or someone else.
That did seem like too much of a coincidence, didn't it?
However, he never blamed her for leaving him in the burning building.
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Jin-eon remembered Hae-gang's indifference as she 'notified' him of Seol-ri's feelings for him, the reasons she gave trying to convince him to have another child, none of which had anything to do with love, the arguments she used to stop him from leaving the house, namely: "What if Father finds out? What if your mother finds out?", etc., but not a single word about her feelings.
He didn't/couldn't know that in her heart she was actually concerned and afraid that he might be shaken, unlike us, viewers, who could conclude it from her imaginary conversation with Jin-eon, just before confronting him about Seol-ri.
He didn't know that she went down on her knees to Seol-ri to plead with her to leave her husband alone. Nor did he hear her say that he was her light, her universe.
She said such things while talking to herself, to third parties, and to him while he was unconscious, but never face to face.
It is therefore natural that he might have started to doubt if she'd ever loved him in the first place or he'd been deluding himself, which is why I think, after a fit she threw in the house, when he said he was sorry for asking her to marry him, he emphasized that she said "No", but because he wanted to, he made a mistake.
Hae-gang went to the Hanok village to bring Jin-eon back, as it was what her mother-in-law had urged her to do, and again, it wasn't he but the audience that saw her disheartened, stumbling backwards and running away to the water's edge upon hearing him calling out happily to Seol-ri.
Jin-eon only saw Hae-gang, who emerged from seemingly nowhere, and suddenly jumped into the river.
So, knowing how manipulative she could be, and disbelieving that it was done out of love, for the reasons mentioned above, it wasn't unreasonable of him to think that she did it in order to bind him or to scar him for life.
I wonder what he should have done if it "had brought home what he was about to lose"...
Should he have left Seol-ri and stayed with her? Well, maybe, but would it have sorted out all the problems they had?
We know that he'd wanted to get out of this marriage even before Seol-ri came into view, and it is obvious that none of their problems would have been solved unless they had dealt with Eun-sol's death first, which Hae-gang wasn't willing and ready to do.
So, if they'd stayed together, it would have only led to hatred, which Jin-eon scared the most.
As to his "twisting the knife in Hae-gang deeper", by begging his father to get rid of her for him, I believe it was another parallelism from the writer.
Just like in the case of Hae-gang's suicide attempt, where so many things had piled up that, at that particular moment, she couldn't deal with it anymore, it was the same for Jin-eon; so many things had piled up that, at that particular moment, he couldn't bear it any longer either.
She'd wanted to escape her pain, and he wanted to escape his pain too, because the toxic relationship they had, caused nothing but pain to both of them.
By trying to end her life in front of Jin-eon, whether consciously or not, she was about to give him a scar he could never get rid of, and she, actually, did hurt him deeply anyway, which is why he said he would never forgive her for this.
By begging his father to throw her away, he did hurt her deeply too.
If only she had let him go when he first talked about divorce, neither of them would have done any of the nasty things they did. They were both being selfish in their own ways.
Hae-gang tried to alter someone's life by using money and power, which was something she knew Jin-eon would despise, thus, his harsh response was quite expected.
However, it had nothing to do with Seol-ri in particular, but with his moral standards; and I am sure he would react this way in any similar circumstances, regardless of whether the sufferer is male or female, etc.
In the case of HK being a cold fish, HK was this way when they were in college. Her personality never changed. This is the woman who coldly didn't communicate with JE while he was in the army. She was always cold. She became even colder with her job and after her child died. I NEVER got the impression that HK loved JE. If there is one flaw with this drama, is HK was never depicted as madly in love with JE, even in college.
Another thing, how many of us see our own flaws? How many have had a 360 evaluation done? When you receive that feedback, you see yourself in a different perspective. I've said it before and will say it again, HK and the Doctor have/had similar personalities--cold. They don't see things through the same lens as someone with a different personality. HK said herself that she couldn't relate to JE until BS taught her to be warm.
I'm not even sure why you brought BS into this conversation. JE was upset because he felt betrayed and didn't want to talk about it; which was also probably some depression and sadness. Even so, it din't last long and the reason it didn't was because he loved HK. JE's lasted 4 years while he had a woman to scratch his 7 year itch on the side.
Please don't get me started on GN who I feel was motivated by money and that is why it was her choice to leave their father and split up the girls. She calls her self a Richard Simmons and she was. What mother would do that to her cild because she wanted wealth? Even now, she's cruelly silent. The mother in this drama was always the child to me and HK was always the one raising her. When HK needed some advice, the mother couldn't offer her anything worthwhile. After 'losing' HK, you would think that love would motivate her to not waste anymore time where YK is concerned.
However cold Hae-gang was and however different were the lens she saw things through, she wasn't blind, hence she could see how much her dispassionate attitude to their loss hurt Jin-eon, which was what I referred to in my previous post.
I don't think Hae-gang's haven't been depicted as madly in love with Jin-eon is a flaw; IMO, it's always been the writer's intention, otherwise, we wouldn't have heard her tell Jin-eon: "You did more than your share, I know. From now on, I will adore you".
I don't know what exactly Hae-gang meant by saying she couldn't relate to Jin-eon until Baek-seok taught her to be warm, since I haven't watched the latest episodes yet, but I know that they'd been relating to each other quite well before Eun-sol died, at least enough for their relationship to last about 15 years, and for Jin-eon not to have thought of divorce until 4 years ago.
And even if she wasn't as madly in love with him as he was, I believe she loved him strongly enough to say that he was her light and universe.
As for Baek-seok, regardless of how upset, sad and depressed he was, he could still see that his silence hurt Yong-gi2.
Moreover, there is no way that sadness and depression caused by unrequited love can come even close to the sadness and depression a parent experiences when his/her precious child dies.
While Baek-seok felt that Yong-gi2 betrayed him, even though she'd never reciprocated his feelings, Jin-eon felt that Hae-gang betrayed their daughter, by having forgotten her and wanting to replace her with another baby. So, it is understandable why it took Jin-eon longer to let go of the resentment towards her.
Your last statement about the woman scratching Jin-eon's 7 year itch is irrelevant to the subject.
For me, I do not understand the writer's depiction of love. It is a word used very loosely in this drama, but is not really shown to me (except between BS and HK--but that's not romantic love in this drama, it's----nothing). JE pretending to eat ramens with an invisible HK is just plain silly and overkill. HK following JE around and weeping for him while pretending and at times really hating him is also silly, childish. Even HK's reason for pretending is the big 'S' word I tell my little nephews and nieces not to use.
Since the characters in this drama have always said things that are not followed up by actions, I'm sure based on the preview that HK will start chasing JE; forgetting that she's trying to protect him. The reason why she will forget is because they both are egoistical characters--wanting to be chased. I think JE enjoyed having HK chase him and HK, as we will see, enjoyed having JE chase her. Power trip.
For the writer to want to show JE as repentant and sorry for his actions, she has given him some of the most horrible lines that shows he has absolutely no understanding of what he's done and how it's impacted HK. When he asks HK why she's acting like this? The silly things he says while banging on her door with his head, when he goes into the room....
I'll stop here.
As I said earlier, I can't comment on episodes 31 and 32 as I haven't watched them yet.
So, I'll stop here too.
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On 21.12.2015 at 7:09 AM, lclarakl said:
That may be the case, but this is also the man that told his wife she gives him chills when she tried to kiss him. He's also the man who told her that he can't stand her. This is the man that didn't want to share a bed with her. When he found himself in bed with her after drinking too much, he woke up and you could see that he didn't want to be there. More than that, there was absolutely nothing in JE's treatment of her that spoke of love, his actions showed his hate and disdain for her. If he actually loved her, there is no way he could have coldly watched her pain at his betrayal and remain unmoved. When she attempted suicide, this man didn't have a moment of reflection that he almost lost the woman he loves (one of the reasons I find him mourning HK's death to be extremely over the top and completely unbelievable).
JE spoke a lot of words and didn't keep the important promises he made to both women. So him speaking love at that moment is very subjective. I don't think JE has a clue as to what love means.
Was it only Jin-eon who said 'things'? Let's see:
- Hae-gang said 'I forgot that kid'
- She told her mother 'If you want to die, then die. I'm OK'
- Baek-seok told Yong-gi2 'I'm hating you now' (the words said to someone he believed was his first love Yong-gi)
- He also told Hae-gang he couldn't stand her 4 years ago, because she was nasty (which I guess should indicate that he doesn't really love her, does he?).
Or is it that Baek-seok can dislike the woman he loves due to her harsh demeanor but Jin-eon can't?
If you take everything Jin-eon says at face value, then you should accept whatever Hae-gang, Baek-seok, and anyone else say as it appears too, shouldn't you?
2) Jin-eon loved Hae-gang, but he loved his daughter as well, therefore he didn't want to get physical with the person who acted as if she hadn't cared about their loss at all.
If he had done it, to him it would have meant that he closed his eyes to Hae-gang's neglectful attitude to Eun-sol's demise, which in his view was irreverent.
For him Eun-sol was the fruit of their love, the proof of their genuine and mutual feelings, so when she was gone and Hae-gang behaved as if nothing happened, he probably started to doubt how much she actually loved the two of them.
When she suggested that they should have another child, the arguments she used had nothing to do with love, but with age factor and her desire to demonstrate the in-laws that she wasn't gum who could be easily replaced. How was Jin-eon supposed to react?
He told her that she gave him chills because that's how she was then, cold and distant.
If he'd told her that he was overwhelmed by her warmth, I'd have thought he was teasing her.
He didn't want to share a bed with her, because more than sexual intimacy he yearned for emotional one. He craved that state of being that is all about closeness and trust.
It would be easier/more convenient for Jin-eon, who refrained from sex for quite a while, to be intimate with his wife on a regular basis, at least to relieve stress, but given their tense relationship as well as his love and respect to her, he didn't want to 'use' her to satisfy his sexual needs. And again, in those circumstances sex wasn't a priority to him.
If he'd acted oppositely, that is when I'd have called his feelings for her in question.
3) I find it interesting that Hae-gang who never wanted to commit suicide after her daughter's death, and never thought of it after seeing Jin-eon and Seol-ri kissing in the elevator, as well as while seeing him in Seol-ri's apartment when the lights were turned off, suddenly decided to jump into the river after she saw Seol-ri kissing him on the cheek, and him putting her hair aside.
However, what's important is that she did it in front of Jin-eon, having been absolutely sure that he'd try to rescue her.
I wonder why there wasn't another attempt after he told her that it was the last time he interfered in her life and suggested that they lived and died separately...
If she'd really run to her limit, how's it that she stopped at that one? Hmm..
4) If Jin-eon's actions only showed hate and disdain for Hae-gang, then I have to wonder why he hugged her tightly after she regained consciousness and took care of her nightlong, instead of leaving her in a hospital ... No-one would have done it to a stranger, and no-one would have called a stranger 'Honey'.
Jin-eon may not have had a moment of reflection that he almost lost the woman he loved, because he thought she did it to give him a scar he could never get rid of, but he had a recollection of her suicide attempt and a nightmare, do they count? No need to ask... lol
5) If Hae-gang truly loved Jin-eon, there is no way she could have coldly watched his pain at her being cold fish, and remain unmoved (regardless of her intention)
If Baek-seok truly loved Hae-gang, there is no way he could have coldly watched her pain at his not wishing to communicate with her (after Jin-eon and Hae-gang's overnight date), and remain unmoved.
If Gyu-nam truly loved Yong-gi, there is no way she could have coldly watched her pain at her cowardness, not telling her she was her mom, and remain unmoved.
Shall I continue?
If I do, I'm afraid I'll come to realization that no character in this drama truly loves anyone, and nor does anyone in the world, because people tend to hurt each other, and especially close ones.
But again, in case of Jin-eon, it is understandable how he could have coldly watched her pain at his betrayal, because as he confessed, he did it to hurt Hae-gang, and in effect, to pay her back for the pain she'd previously caused him by her dispassionate behaviour.
I believe everyone's love is subjective, and every one has their own concept of love.
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3 hours ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:
@ayselluna If JE is a normal Loving husband with strong supportive family (esp parents) they wld have encouraged HK to have another baby ASAP a way to ease the pains and trauma of loosing a child. JE and family have very low moral values.. (Cheaters, thieves and murderer).
Writer...please save poor HK from this family
@Katrina Abdul Talib, if Hae-gang had first mourned their daughter's death, which she was partially responsible for, and hadn't just tried to conceive again because Jin-ri told her to hurry before it was late, as without a baby she was just a gum that could be easily replaced, I think Jin-eon wouldn't have rejected her advances.
Hae-gang and her mother weren't angels either, so before saving "poor" Hae-gang, I hope the writer will first save her poor soul, by making her atone for all sins.
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5 hours ago, Lmangla said:
this was @mdj101 calculation @ayselluna ~ but reading through your timeline of events makes me understand more about why JE's emotions were so raw and all over the place. it makes sense why he felt so disgusted by her attempt at seduction if it was around the one year anniversary but like you said, he was perhaps attracted at the same time, and so maybe he was also angry at himself.... but if your timeline is correct, it makes me wonder if the miscarriage case that happened on the same day (thought perhaps it was eun sol's birthday), then she might have been punishing the woman almost as a surrogate. like she was directing all the anger that she felt at herself (for orchestrating events that led to her child's death) onto this lady. like she didn't deserve to be a mother, just as this lady who might have taken medication to self-abort 3 earlier pregnancies...
@ayselluna ~ so most weddings get cancelled? given how this attitude/belief of giving respect to the dead is around asia, it really boggles my mind how HK could coolly talk about having another kid. even if there was no mourning (like someone (MS or JR for example) who she didn't care died), there is still protocols that have to be followed. how can she not go to the grave on that important day for her daughter????
it seems like just like JE is always a step too fast or too late, so is HK. it is just that she is too suave and sophisticated and so people don't catch her missteps, whereas JE is bit more clumsy and so it is noticeable....
If it had been Eun-sol's birthday anniversary, then the events preceding the "accident", which took place in September, would have been presented as the ones that occured 1 month prior to the accident, as the girl was born in August.
But since we were told that they happened 3 months prior to the murder attempt, it means Jin-eon's visiting his daughter's memorial burial must have had something to do with her death date.
And now that we have the exact date - September 26, reminded by @mdj101, we can see that her calculation was correct, and we met Jin-eon and Hae-gang around June 26, 2011, that is, around the one year death anniversary.
Jin-eon seems to have visited Eun-sol's columbarium on June 24 (again?), 9 days after the anniversary itself (June 15), which is supported by the fact that the next day Hae-gang suggested that they go on vacation was Saturday (according to Jin-eon), which matches the 2011 Calendar date:
Saturday - June 25, 2011:
But again, the fact that Hae-gang could dispassionately talk about having another child, without first mourning the kid they recently lost, is appalling.
Hence, I also can understand Jin-eon's feeling disgusted by her attempt at seduction, as well as his telling her that her wish to have another kid sounded like noise to him.
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3 hours ago, mdj101 said:
@ayselluna --- Thank you for an interesting different possible reason JE sprayed the room when HK left. Maybe a bit of both? Never considered that he wanted not to be tempted by her perfume! I thought he was showing his repulsion of her very own scent as a woman --- Which would have been a terrible thing, IMO!
@mdj101, according to Jin-eon, there wasn't a moment he didn't love Hae-gang. And after they lost Eun-sol, even in those moments, he resented and hated her, he stll loved her (hospital conversation).
Thus, I believe there wasn't a reason for a young and healthy man, who was still in love with his alluring wife, and who'd abstained from sex for quite a while, to repulse her very own scent, given that we were shown how besides having put on a seductive nightgown, Hae-gang also applied some perfume (probably the one she knew Jin-eon liked the most), which I think was the reason he had to use spray in order not to fall into temptation to get intimate with her.
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On 18.12.2015 at 0:26 AM, Lmangla said:
yea @iamtaken, it is my view as well as many others here that her lack of public mourning aroused his anger as a father and he basically took revenge for that in the form of an affair. can someone who paid more attention to the earlier episodes or re-watched them answer this Q ~ how long was ES dead when we first meet JE and HK at the beginning of the series? had the one year anniversary been celebrated yet?
not sure what exact are the korean mourning rituals but it looks like she didn't follow them which further angered him. think it was ES birthday that he spent at her grave listening to music from howl's castle on a loop while she was working. she did not show solidarity by arriving at the grave and it looked to him like she had forgotten or didn't care. so her absence on such an important day would have come across as insult/disrespect to his daughter and unacceptable since she was the mother.
also if she asked for a child within the 1 year anniversary, again that may have come across as disrespect for the dead and especially worse since she was the mother. in my place, some families will not celebrate any good events during that year -- no birthday celebrations, engagements or weddings. so if a wedding date was fixed and a death in the family occurred even a few months prior, there can be a lot of confusion and debate on whether to postpone the wedding. the other party/family usually may try to gently persuade to move on since invitations have been sent and money already sent but some bereaved families will not budge due to deep emotional attachment or simply a strong belief that the dead must be given their due respect regardless. so some weddings do get even cancelled due to such dramas.
so anyone have any idea about korean/Confucius mourning rituals -- is there rules like that in other places regarding one-year anniversaries and other specific rituals??
It is similar in my place, with the exception that most weddings get cancelled due to a death in a family here.
As for your question, I'm not sure whether someone has already answered it, but based on the dates engraved on Eun-sol's memorial plaque (2007.8.8 - 2010.6.15), and given that we first met Jin-eon and Hae-gang 3 months prior to her "accident" (September, 2011), it seems that it was Eun-sol's one year death anniversary that Jin-eon spent at her columbarium, while Hae-gang was "executing" the young woman, who later jumped to her death right before her.
It was also the same day (rather night) that she wanted to get intimate with Jin-eon, but he pretended to be sleeping and used a spray after she left the room not to get tempted with the scent of her perfume .
The next day, as if she hadn't remembered about the anniversary at all, Hae-gang suggested that they go to the Galapagos Islands, saying that she will make time.
And this was when Jin-eon replied that he didn't have time, and that at the words that she wanted to go on vacation, he was being cut...
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So I have different.
The problem with HG is just like I love you has she ever said any of these things to JE? As pointed out she drove him away. At no time during the break down of the marriage or affair does she directly tell him. I love you and I miss our daughter.
I do belive she used JE to punish herself she knew him and how much he cared for her and what his reactions to her actions were and in way she welcomed that reproach. The main issue was she knew JE was not going to get over it.
The affair let her vent she could take out her frustrations on SR. HG was in attack mode pre elevator. She kicked it up a notch afterwards. She took JE existence in her life for granted. Because he was always there, because would endure his entire term in the army with out her visiting. She thought he would always wait like he did during their 15+ years. However what JE need most was one kind and honest word from HG. HG miscalculated, like the first time she was going to confront JE about the affair. She instead of being emotional she was so detached. In fact she comes close to saying don't get caught. It not about I love you and need you but about his potion in society.
The suicide episode was HG coming to realize , maybe JE could leave her, her plans were gone and worst she might have really face ES death alone. The wall she had built up for last few years of guilt, grief and anguish came down.
Yet JE gave her hope. Not in the rescue of her but as he has done the past his care of her. Look at HG face as she takes in the scene. She knows that JE has taken care of her still. She know from the things arrayed around her he has been up all night make sure she is safe and healthy. This was a lease a glimmer of hope. That why JE words just do not matter to her.
Does she take that time to try and deal with things direct to JE , nope she again goes after removing SR.
So my take is the reason HK wanted to wait on JE. Was because she realized the both needed time way. HG knew that in the end JE was always there for her. She knew that in time he might come to regret and when that time came she could be honest and open with him. She could tell him about SE.
In their relationship JE was always the one to wait for her. Now she could endure and hope JE would return.
JE and HG have bond. Sometimes when things are broken they can never be repaired. Other time the mending is stronger and last long then the original.
So my take is HG years ago looked at her actions and thought that the some the fault lie not in the stars but with herself. Through her accident she ened up living the life JE asked her todo.
Also the conversation with SR. She did remember the betrayal. That why she walked away and cried, why she got mad. She had known about it before but she felt it then. That when she told JE to forget about other women kisses.
This why her current behavior to over the top.
Also before the affair. Did JE deserve to have partner that knew his pain and ignored it? Did he deserve in the one place he could let her guard down to be in an unfeeling detached ice place. HG was surprised that JE could function outside the house. That tells us 3 things 1) She did not think JE could separate work and private life, 2) she was kinda hoping he was miserable all the time. 3)HG thought JE could only be happy with her.
So think anther reason she went all out on SR was because SR was a true threat to her. Her JE was no longer just her and ES. She kinda knew she needed to change but she just could not at that tine.
So her waiting was not just about the changes needed in JE but she knew she really need to change if there would be hope in the future. She was aggressive and assertive with everything in her life except JE. I think she knew that part had to change.
(excerpts from my post)
1) And after a while, she made a similar confession to her father-in-law, saying that she was wrong and she sincerely apologized. She was arrogant and thought because it was her husband, he would be understanding. Even if she didn't say anything, she thought he would know how she felt.
2) And however weird it may sound, but maybe the reason why she still wanted to accept him, although he hurt her and was cruel, was because she thought she 'deserved' to be mistreated.
3) And after a while, she made a similar confession to her father-in-law, saying that she was wrong and she sincerely apologized. She was arrogant and thought because it was her husband, he would be understanding. Even if she didn't say anything, she thought he would know how she felt. That she would always be everything to him, and that he would always wait for her.
4) (my post, page 171) I believe Jin-eon would have been more than happy if Hae-gang had questioned him about Seol-ri, his feelings etc., which she didn't. She just provided him with the "formal notification" that someone was in love with him. No anger, no concern, no jealousy.
In a very arrogant and self-confident manner, she just told him to make sure that no gossip would go arround campus and affect his position.
If she had spoken to him in the way she'd done in her imaginative conversation, getting mad and upset, showing anxiety because she loved him and feared to lose him, she might have seen different Jin-eon as well as different attitude...
5) Later she admitted her blunders to her mother-in-law as well, saying if she'd helped her and had given her another chance, she (Hae-gang) will and can do better, that he can love her again and they can start all over.
As for your take, I wish she had realized it earlier, instead of clinging to him the way she'd done before they got divorced.
6) And her remark about not having held his hand, shows that she blamed herself for not having been there for him earlier. She considered herself, her actions as the primary cause of all their problems.
7) Yong-gi2 "forgave" him just because she had no memory, which was what she told Seol-ri after the latter sent her the photos:
"Why did you send the photos? To shake me and shake our relationship? Merely with those two photos? Since I don't have any memories, I don't have any scars that I received from him. I only have the love I'm receiving. So those photos you painstakingly sent me aren't that hurtful or painful".
The key phrase here is not about her not having memories (which, as you see, she herself stated), but about her not having scars that she received from him, which is why those two photos weren't that hurtful or painful.
So, personally I don't think Hae-gang's current behaviour is over the top.
On the contrary, I believe this is how any offended and self-respecting woman (which Hae-gang has always been) would/should behave.
8) I think she was upset rather than surprised...
And it wasn't due to the reasons mentioned by you above, but because, after seeing the photos sent by Seol-ri, she realised that he'd been treating her worse than a dog (her own statement).
9) And that is just what my post was about...
"Among the reasons, which probably caused Hae-gang to hold onto and wait for Jin-eon, self-reproach was one of the strongest" - which means she was aware of her wrongdoings, was sorry for them, and was willing to change, which she declared in her conversation with mother-in-law, as mentioned earlier.
So, given the above, I don't think our views are too different.
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On 15.12.2015 at 1:05 AM, mdj101 said:
@ayselluna --- "The Slap:...How it is used to great effective in Korean Drama." --- An analysis just waiting to be done by Odessa Jones, the blogger who wrote so well, so seriously, about "man tears", "kisses", and "angst".
I like that you picked up on the subtle differences in those slaps. The Director's influence? Probably with some input from the actors & others. Attention to detail is so evident in this drama production. Back in Epi. 5, I was also marathoning "The Fierce Wife" at that time. So I compared HK's slap to SR, then immediately thereafter a slap to JE, to the slap delivered by the wife to the adulterer aka "dear cousin" in TFW --- a powerful, forceful blow! In the lobby of her husband's work place. Normally she was the PERFECT model of a compliant Joseon-style wife! But she, like HG, was "out of her mind". Unlike any slap I remembered seeing in a drama!
Thank you for bringing out the way the director & the actors have used this simple idea to convey even deeper meaning into the characters' behavior , feelings, motivations.
But I learned a good lesson after TFW --- NOT to watch too many serious melodramas at the same time! And "Cruel Palace" is one I'll watch at a later date, for sure!
@mdj101, it was actually @iamtaken, who picked up on the subtle differences in those slaps.
I've been absent from the thread, or I would have given credit where it is due earlier
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On 16.12.2015 at 3:18 PM, 12blbl said:
Wow KHJ is so tall, i mean i'm only 160 cm
But I agree BS is much more taller to HG than JE to HG
This just proves that height is a relative concept (someone who appears 'tall' to you may seem 'short' or 'not that tall' to another).
I am 1.68 cm, but I've never thought of myself as tall, but rather average... hehe
And I beg to differ with your assertion...
Baek-seok (Lee Kyu-han) is not much taller than Hae-gang (Kim Hyun-joo), compared to Jin-eon (Ji Jin-hee). Actually, both men are of the same height (1.78 cm)
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2 hours ago, iamtaken said:
I am going to go on a limb and say that HG has already forgiven JE. Watch her face when he is holding her in the arm-lock in the hotel room or during the scene also in the hotel room when he is talking about digging ES out of their hearts and letting her leave properly and HG's inability to sleep once she kicks him out of the Buamdong house. She is complicated enough to take satisfaction out of being able to fling everyone of his cruelties at his face but I honestly think that monologue outside BS's house where she basically tells him, she is going get over him by moving on to BS hurt HG as much as it hurt JE.
She is doing what she is doing for a number of reasons that all of us have delineated. I think the big roadblock for our OTP is going to be talking about ES's death and HG's difficulty in forgiving herself for it. Last time she punished herself by distancing herself from JE rather than opening up. She is still not ready to talk about it although you can see Woo Joo is making her shift her perspective a little bit.
Of course JR and SR are brewing their brand of venom to try to permanently split those 2 up but I think forgiveness for the cheating is over and done with. She may want to hit him a few more times just for good measure because she can, but did you notice the lack of conviction in her slap in epi 30? Compare that to the slap in episode 5 where she meant to hurt him - the more the better - and the intermediate strength of the slap in his office when he kissed her after the picketing scene. You can gauge the strength of her anger with the force behind those slaps.
@lenet@aysellunaJE and BS are the same height. To me JE actually looks taller than he is until you see him with HG which is when you realize that he is not very tall. The actor who is much taller than KHJ is the one playing the role of the doctor who is accurately described by YG as a mountain- tall and body builder built.
Dr Min (Lee Jae-yoon) is 6'2" (1.87 cm), much taller than Kim Hyun-joo...
Yet again, whether one is tall or short is a relative concept, because someone who is 1.95 cm may consider Lee Jae-yoon not that tall, while someone under 1.70 cm may dream of being as tall as Lee Kyu-han and Ji Jin-hee.
So, it depends on one's perspective
By the way, personally I think the height difference between Ji Jin-hee and Kim Hyn-joo is just ideal, agree with @lenet
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58 minutes ago, deandraluv said:
What if Hae-gang won't be able to bring herself to forgive Jin-eon, and while cooperating with Baek-seok on all fronts, will find herself caught in love with him? Hmm...
Well, there is only one way to find out
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"Love covers a multitude of sin" It is easier to to forgive someone whom we love. It is easier to forgive our children than others, isn't it? If HG loves JE, somehow I believe, she will forgive JE.
HG needs to learn to forgive herself first. It seems she hasn't done so. I hope she will take JE's invitation to start dealing with ES's demise properly.
There is always a possiblity HG to find herself caught in love with BS. It is k-drama after all. But then again, what is the message/morale of the story the writer going to tell us? A cheater doesn't deserve a second chance? There is no such thing as the power of love? A cheater doesn't deserve to be happy? A cheater doesn't deserve a forgiveness? It is impossible to fix a broken marriage/relationship so a divorce and finding someone new would be the alternatives? Or maybe I put too high hope from the writer and this drama?
It is how I see the drama. Perhaps I don't realize that I am an idealist even I watch a drama. But I think a good drama will have a good morale of the story.
In real life, a cheater may not always get a second chance though... Not all women are able and willing to reconcile, even when the love is still there.
So, if Hae-gang happens to fall for Baek-seok, the morale of the story may be:
'Think twice before you follow your lust, and before trying to get out of marriage. Don't break marriage vows and the trust of your significant other, because by the time you come to your senses, it may already be too late. You may be forgiven and may still be happy again, but not necessarily with your ex-spouse'
However, as Hae-gang wasn't an angel either and vastly contributed to the breakup ,and because the main theme of the drama is reported to be love, and not infidelity, I hope Jin-eon does get a second chance he wishes for so badly.
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57 minutes ago, lenet said: JE is taller than HK but not too tall, about half a head taller when HK in heels. Built wise he is not thin or fat, just nice in girth, fit and trim. HK is trim too, not too thin nor plumb. Two of them side by side look ideal. BS is much taller than HK and has a more lanky appearance though he is fit too. SR fit him better but they are siblings. It's my sense of aesthetics for ideal couple pairing. But it's whole package, not just height and size.
Thank you for the elaboration! Loved your view
But again, it is intersting how Baek-seok (Lee Kyu-han) does seem to be much taller than Hae-gang, as according to most of the sources, he is the same height as Ji Jin-hee, that is, 5'10" (1.78 cm), and only a couple of websites report it to be 5'11" (1.80 cm), while Kim Hyun-joo is reported to be 5'6" (1.67 cm)
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51 minutes ago, deandraluv said:
@ayselluna wrote: I know, the second male lead rarely gets the first female lead, and the story seems to be about forgiveness, but forgiveness doesn't suggest she has to reunite with her ex-husband.
This is why I have this lingering feeling that, eventually, Hae-gang will come to realization that the happiness she's been searching for, was right next to her all along, that is, next to Baek-seok. And that could be another unexpected twist from our writer.
I would be happy to be proven wrong though...
Thanks for your insightful post. I would attempt to share how I see it in a different light:
It is true that forgiveness doesn't suggest she has to reunite with her ex-husband, but I think when she forgives she would be open to be reunited with her ex husband.
As I posted before about happiness, we will find out what the definition of happiness according to HG (according to the writer, rather). Does happiness mean to live a problem free life? Does happiness mean to live an easy life? Or does happiness simply mean to live with the person you love? Will HG be happy if she is with Baek Seok she doesn't love? It goes back to one's definition of happiness. Marriage without love is like marriage for convenience, no?
I think love is a such mysterious thing. Why we love certain someone and not another is a mystery. Sometimes we love a person who is not our ideal type at all and we don't love the person who is our ideal type. Baek Seok may be the ideal type for HG, but she doesn't love him. I think it would be hard especially for a woman to marry someone she doesn't love.
Being a hopeless romantic, I do hope JE and HG end up together as love conquers all. It is not because I love the great chemistry between them, but I like the idea that this couple doesn't give up against all odds. (This is drama after all). Yes, they have many hurdles in front of them but I want them to strive with the love they have for each other.
In this world nowadays, getting a divorce is easier than working out the marriage. Marriage is hard work! In HG and JE's case, if they love each other, they will learn to work out their relationship, no matter how hard it is. That is my hope, at least.
Hope you understand what I try to convey here (I am not good with words and writing and it took me a long time to write this)
@deandraluv, you definitely underestimate your competence in writing, as I really enjoy reading your posts
I agree with your perspective, and being a hopeless romantic myself, I hope our wishes are granted.
But as a saying goes 'Hate is just one step away from love', which is why, I have this doubt...
What if Hae-gang won't be able to bring herself to forgive Jin-eon, and while cooperating with Baek-seok on all fronts, will find herself caught in love with him? Hmm...
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19 minutes ago, lenet said:
If I do not want to swallow my words eventually and to leave room for myself to retreat
, I would say 10% this scenario may happen. It has happened in other dramas before and most times, it leaves me with a feeling of disappointment and regret - idealism at play However, if I were to make a calculated guess, I would say quite unlikely because looking at Twinkle, Twinkle and Scandal, it doesn't seem to be the style of the writer to want to create such a disconcerting ending. Moreover, when I look at the pairing, in terms of demeanor(depth of maturity), height and size, JE/HK couple is definitely the right fit. PD must have considered this when casting. BS/HK pairing just don't look compatible. BS's role is not deep enough to be compatible to HK's experiences. He will be good companion for a short period but not the long haul.
That short period would likely be for HK to execute her plan to save YK. I am not sure BS does not still harbour hope even though he knows HK still loves JE. In his conversation with BJS, he has concluded that he is at the point of no return. He cannot give up his love even though BJS keeps urging him to. So while HK is acting, he may not. He may even sabotage if writer is cruel enough to tarnish his so-called love to kill off any lingering possibility in viewer's mind of their pairing.
The only possibility to me is unless HK has another amnesia where memory of JE is entirely wipe out, then I think this scenario can take place. Ugh! I shudder to think of that!
I see SR as similar to BS. She too has gone too far to retreat now. Even after HK scorned her again, will she stop? Unlikely. She has to go for broke. She won't care if she can't get JE, as long as HK can't too. This pair of siblings are unfortunate pawns in this story I think. Hopefully, their endings are not too sad.
Could you please elaborate on the highlighted part?
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I know that Hae-gang's intention is to protect Jin-eon because she loves him, but even the very thought of it gets on my nerves...
Jin-eon is not a small kid who needs a diaper. He is a man! And he can/should protect himself and his loved ones.
The sole reason he refused to work for the company back then was because he didn't want to get involved in the unseemly business his father conducted, and Hae-gang is aware of it.
He doesn't lack in intelligence, firmness or persistence, hence he can defend himself.
But by trying to safeguard him, she only makes him look pathetic.
Does she believe that if he shelters behind her, it will make him any manlier or stronger? Can she even respect a man who needs her protection?
If the very woman who loves him underestimates him, what should be expected of others? It is just natural that they will do too.
And it seems that she does think too little of him, otherwise why would she ask 'Do you think you can win me?" in the first place?
When Hae-gang came to Baek-seok and asked him to help her cut off Jin-eon, because she wants to protect him (from pain), she, in effect, indirectly asked Baek-seok to protect Jin-eon. Nonsense!
If I were a man, it would hurt my male ego, I would feel insulted.
I only hope this new Hae-gang will have at least as much faith in Jin-eon as Yong-gi2 did, who said she trusted that Choi Jin-eon could deal with the issues they faced.
Sigh!