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1 hour ago, lenet said:
@ayselluna 13 November is Scorpio
I know
And you may also know/remember that Jin-eon's birthday is on December 13.
So, mine was just a mistype, which means he IS Sagittarius
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@chubbychub1966 and @mdj101, it's my pleasure! And I'm glad if you enjoyed it:)
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8 hours ago, jadecloud said:
Just in previous ep. DHK amnesiac was falling in love w/ JE and she did what she never done before; showing how she love JE....now that she recover; she's pretending to despise JE for her own plan?
w/c i think is a plan both her and FIL talk about.......that some of us is wondering what they talk behind close door. FIL knows that only DHK can shoot MTS bec. she's the only one knows a lot of MTS secret .
That's not how I see it. It's part of her strategy in putting her plan to work, without implicating him, without causing him conflict in several areas like family, work, love, aso. But mainly, to keep him out of harm's way.
If you look at (Ep 30) the scene where JE kneels and begs, and the scene where JE goads HK to fight, start with fighting as lovers, you can see HK's conflicted facial expression. In fact, in the latter scene, she almost breaks down and wants to give in to him. But she takes it a step further, as she's resolved to break the connection ( love, family, work, aso) with JE for his own good, for his protection, because she still loves him deeply, and so she slaps him. But right before the slap, you can see HK is clearly conflicted, and hurting as well. In the former scene, if HK really didn't care about and for JE at all, I believe she would not have asked him to explain his 'escape/fling' with SR.
Writernim holds the key, naturally. We will find out as the plot unfolds. But I feel writernim is working towards forgiveness, redemption and possible eventual reconciliation for JE and HK (as well as some other characters), even if it will be an open one.
Hae-gang may still love Jin-eon, but it doesn't mean she may not despise him at the moment, now that all (?) her memories returned.
Likewise, Jin-eon has always loved Hae-gang, but nevertheless, held her in disdain after Eun-sol's death.
It is not like Jin-eon had reasons for his hatred and Hae-gang does not.
Yes, she was willing to wait for him even after the divorce, but I believe that was not only due to love, but also because of the sense of guilt.
She felt she was also responsible for their marital breakdown, and her being partially culpable for their daughter's death was just one of the factors that lead to it.
She blamed herself for having taken Jin-eon's love for granted, and for not having made enough efforts to straighten out their relationship before it was already too late. And, of course, there was Seol-ri to whom she just couldn't lose.
Besides, during that period the only person she had emotional connection with was Jin-eon, and thus, she clung on to him forcibly.
However, now the situation is different. This time around, there is Baek-seok, kids, her sister, mother and niece. She doesn't have to fear to be left alone. She isn't bent on proving something to Seol-ri either, as the latter lost the 'battle' long ago, and never actually had Jin-eon's heart.
Other than that, in the view of her recovered memories, Hae-gang may think that she had done quite much to hold onto Jin-eon, which was supposed to be manifestation of her love to him, but he failed to see and appreciate it, and therefore, she may decide to leave him and start anew, just like Jin-eon had hoped to do with Seol-ri 4 years ago.
Yet again, I do hope your speculation is spot on.
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Ever since Jin-eon's birthday was mentioned in one of the latest episodes, I've had this thought running through my mind...
It is well known that according to Korean stereotypes, a person's personality, temperament and compatibility (both romantic and platonic) with others can be determined by their blood type, but could it be that the Writer Bae addressed Horoscope to depict the characters as we see them?
As stated in the drama, Jin-eon and Hae-gang (as well as Yong-gi and Baek-seok) are of the same age, namely, born in 1977 (the information included in both Hae-gang and Yong-gi's ID cards), which means the four of them are Snake(s)
Jin-eon's birtday is on December 13, whose astrological/star sign is Sagittarius, while Hae-gang's is on May 24, which 'makes' her Gemini, which, by the way, is symbolized by twins (our Hae-gang - Yong-gi).
So, I got curious to see how much star sign characteristics match our characters, particularly Jin-eon and Hae-gang, and found out the following (summary of the sign's positive and negative traits):
Sagittarius - Jin-eon
Positive:
- Straightforward
- intellectual
- Philosophical
- Large-hearted
- Adventurous
- Freedom loving
- Cheerful
- Helpful
Negative:
- Careless
- Tactless
- Impatient
- Superficial
- Inconsistent
- Over confident
- Reckless
- Restive
Gemini - Hae-gang and Yong-gi
Positive:
- Persuasive
- Adaptable
- Communicative
- Intellectual
- Independent
- Self-confident
- Shrewd
- Inquisitive
Negative:
- Unemotional
- Superficial
- Sarcastic
- Flirtatious
- Manipulative
- Tense
- Restless
- Ambivalent
It is important to note however that everyone is of course unique
And here is an article about Sagittarius-Gemini compatibility:
http://www.clickastro.com/sagittarius-man-and-gemini-woman
Just for fun
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7 hours ago, trust71 said:
Just in previous ep. DHK amnesiac was falling in love w/ JE and she did what she never done before; showing how she love JE....now that she recover; she's pretending to despise JE for her own plan?
w/c i think is a plan both her and FIL talk about.......that some of us is wondering what they talk behind close door. FIL knows that only DHK can shoot MTS bec. she's the only one knows a lot of MTS secret .
Hae-gang may have a plan to protect her family and all, but after she regained her memories, which included Jin-eon's harshness and his mistreatment of her, I believe she does despise Jin-eon at the moment, and really wants to say goodbye to him.
I don't think she is putting on an act where he is concerned.
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7 minutes ago, lclarakl said:
She may, and guess what? It wouldn't surprise me. It would be in line with everything else we've seen in this drama. However, if haughty HK forgets the past 4 years, then it really won't be a surprise--we're dealing with a different personality.
I have to say, if the writer goes this route, this will be the biggest disappoint of all. HK becoming haughty again means that she learned nothing.
Agree with the highlighted parts, as I can't see how regaining one's memories may lead to losing one's morality, especially after you already got to see your misdeeds and appeared to be remorseful.
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35 minutes ago, lclarakl said:
I have ALWAYS said, and still say, that the characters say things and then later contradict what they say by their actions (that has always been my stance and it won't change any time soon). Their actions don't necessary follow their words. When HK is talking about how BS protected her, poured warmth into her, etc, and when she talked abut him being a lighthouse--I'm not aware of any actions that will contradict her words. However, when she said that she cannot betray him, when she said she had to be home before he kids awake, when JE talks about being their forever, which requires an ACTION on their part, when she says she's going to work with BS, they never follow up their words with action.
I don't trust a lot of their words when they talk about what the will do (actions), because they usually don't follow through. It has nothing to do with it being BS. I said this about JE first and his faithfulness to SR and HK.
I see... :))
Let's hope Hae-gang doesn't return to her old haughty self, and won't contradict her spirited outburst about Baek-seok by other words, not necessarily actions, accusing him of taking advantage of her etc.
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16 hours ago, lclarakl said:
After all the trying to make JE look more sympathetic, the writer basically has vindicated what I have been saying for many, many, many pages. It gives me great privilege to quote HK after her crazy mother failed to see the new, warmer HK.
The scene of HK that brought a smile to my face, because I had been saying this for weeks:
HK:
“Stop it! I don’t know how I may look to you, but I was comfortable and warm here, and VERY HAPPY. If I didn’t even have the past four years, I wouldn’t have been able to bear it. I wouldn’t be able to do anything! Because of Seok, I lived. He saved me, protected me, changed me, and he blew warmth into me. He gave my life four years that was like a PRESENT!"
I now rest my case that HK was happy during the 4 years she was with BS and how she sees him. He helped change her. Her change had to do with the whole family and the values they tried to live by.
You've also been saying, on a number of occasions, that you don't trust any of the characters' words, as you noticed that whenever they say something, they contradict themselves the very next minute...
So, I find it interesting that you are willing to trust the untrustworthy character this time around...
Is it because the good things said by Hae-gang are related to Baek-seok or is it because she confirmed what you have been saying all along? Or both?
I just wonder
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3 hours ago, chubbychub1966 said:
Couldn't agree anymore! KHJ is doing an amazing job re-acting HK 1.0 since it's been a while since she acted her out BRAVO
I honestly can't wait for her interaction with BS family. Will she also give them the cold shoulder???
If Hae-gang returns to her arrogant and ruthless self, I'll have to wonder about the message the writer is trying to convey via this drama.
Is it like 'when you regain your memory, you (may) lose your conscience once again'?
I hope not.
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10 minutes ago, chubbychub1966 said:
OMG HK 2.0 IS HIGH OR ON DRUGS SRSLY
That head action in the 3rd still is so typical of the old Hae-gang...
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My love...
cr. SBS I have a lover VietNamfanpage
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9 hours ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:
The Beak family easily express their feelings to one another..we saw papa hugging BS, HK kissing d kids, sleeping while holding hands etc. I think they have this kind of special bond where hugging is normal for them?
Actually, I've already explained my point of view in the post below...
SpoilerSpoilerBaek-seok repeated: "Don't cry!", because seeing her hurt and crying, he instinctively wants to hug and console her (the habit of 4 years maybe?). I am not saying Hae-gang purposely cried before him to get comforted (?), but if she is confident of her feelings for Jin-eon and really cares for Baek-seok as her friend, I think she should be more considerate of his (Baek-seok's) emotional state and should not allow unnecessary skinship. After all, she has Jin-eon, whom she also seems to trust and reciprocates his feelings, who can very well soothe her.
Yes, I know that she hurts, and, luckily, she has two loving men who are willing to support her all the way down. But Baek-seok, if she doesn't give him some space to recover from his heartbreak, who will be there for him to give him some solace (his father not counted)? It is unlikely that Hae-gang can be the one, as she is also the one who unintentionally broke it (his heart).
My point is that if in the above-mentioned situation, she could hardly swallow back her tears, then she could at least get/run out of the room instead of laying her head upon Baek-seok's shoulder.
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1 hour ago, zagigirl said:
I agree...in a way...but it's hard for HK...she trusts BS..and he did the move...i think it's ok to give both some time...and i do believe they'll stay good friends
Hmm... Baek-seok repeated: "Don't cry!", because seeing her hurt and crying, he instinctively wants to hug and console her (the habit of 4 years maybe?). I am not saying Hae-gang purposely cried before him to get comforted (?), but if she is confident of her feelings for Jin-eon and really cares for Baek-seok as her friend, I think she should be more considerate of his (Baek-seok's) emotional state and should not allow unnecessary skinship. After all, she has Jin-eon, whom she also seems to trust and reciprocates his feelings, who can very well soothe her.
Yes, I know that she hurts, and, luckily, she has two loving men who are willing to support her all the way down. But Baek-seok, if she doesn't give him some space to recover from his heartbreak, who will be there for him to give him some solace (his father not counted)? It is unlikely that Hae-gang can be the one, as she is also the one who unintentionally broke it (his heart).
My point is that if in the above-mentioned situation, she could hardly swallow back her tears, then she could at least get/run out of the room instead of laying her head upon Baek-seok's shoulder.
Regarding friendship... Personally, I am not sure if it is possible to stay friends with a person who is (once was?) in love with you, but let's hope it is.
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If Hae-gang doesn't have any feelings for Baek-seok, she shouldn't let him hug her, especially as she is aware of his feelings.
It only makes it harder for him to get over her. That is totally inconsiderate of Hae-gang.
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59 minutes ago, lclarakl said:
You and I can discuss this to the cows come home--you can tell I'm a Southern girl...LOL! However, my example is to show that "you" is not personal. If your name is spoken, your attention has now been captured.
However, you missed my point, the fact is HK told JE that she loved him. To say she never said that is not true. Whether she said, Choi Jin Eon or she said "You". She still told him that she loved him.
Based on the way HK said this a number of times to other people, it's hard to believe she never said this to him either. Again, I think in all the writing and rewriting and changing things on the fly, the writer forgot it. I'm wondering if we're going to have a explanation of the pills SR was taking and several other things that were mentioned.....or will they be forgotten.
No way! If we continue to discuss this any longer, I am afraid the cows will die before reaching home... LOL
However, it is actually you who missed my point, which I'd already stated in my previous post, to which you responded :
"In earlier episodes Hae-gang did say that she loved Jin-eon, and Jin-eon knew that she loved him.
However, what he meant by saying that she hadn't told him those words before was that she hadn't used the wording 'I Love You', but expressed it in other ways.
And his reaction to that wording showed that, to him 'I Love You' sounded warmer and closer than 'I Love Choi Jin-eon', which personally, I absolutelly understand and agree with.
But considering the fact that Hae-gang has no memory of their past, it would have been better if Jin-eon clarified that she had told him she loved him, but simply not in the manner she did at that moment. Because without clarification it must have sounded to her as if she had never spoken of her love to him, which could have lead to misunderstanding".
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4 hours ago, lclarakl said:
I couldn't disagree more. "I love you". "You"--who is you? You is very impersonal. Nothing makes a person feels more special than hearing their name. If you're in a crowd and someone says, "I love you". Who in the world are they talking to? The person directly in front of them or someone across the room? Probably, or maybe not. However, when someone uses your name, there is no doubt that you are the target of that love. On that note, my goodness, did we forget the scenes when JE wanted her to call his name? How much her saying his name meant to him?
I would say, go back to episode 9, 34:00 and look at JE's expression when she said that--he was moved, but determined he wasn't looking back.
The only difference between saying "I love you" and "Even if I go back to when I was 20 years old, I will love Choi Jin Eon, and marry him"--what HK said 4 years ago has more meaning and is more profound to show the depth of her love for him. Very personal.
I actually think it was an oversight by the writer and in an effort to make JE seem more sympathetic.
Usually people do not declare their love in a crowd; they do it while facing each other. And I think one must be rather slow not to understand that when his loved one is saying 'I Love You' while looking in his eyes, he/she is referring to him, and not to someone else.
But even if someone says 'I Love You' in a crowd and uses "your" name, you may still not be able to recognize who those words were addressed to, as there are many people who share "our" names and even surnames.
Jin-eon may like hearing Hae-gang call his name or rather the tone of her voice in which she does it, but it doesn't mean he can't long to hear 'I Love You', which to you, may mean nothing, but to him and people like myself, sounds more tender and gratifying.
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3 hours ago, lclarakl said:
I just realized, i'm a few pages behind or missed some pages.
Like your post, I have just a few things:
1) HK did tell JE that she loved him directly. JE was also never in doubt that she loved him. To me, to have him say she never told him that, just doesn't match what has been shown in this drama in past scenes. I know that some writers when they are filming and have to rewrite on the fly, they forget some of the things that happened in earlier episodes, but this drama seems to be filmed a week or two ahead of schedule.
2) JE's character up to this point has been given a pass in almost every single way. It is like the writer is treating his character with kids gloves after the first 9 episodes, that's disappointing. Everyone is suffering for their past actions (HK, YK, BS, SR, GN), except JE.
3) I think someone said that SR in her crazy conversation to JE, said that "He even hold her hands" (or is that my imagination). I have to wonder if it's like in a lot of Korean dramas where shoes in front of a house implies the couple inside were intimate with each other, if the 'holding hands' implies that they had a sexual/intimate relationship with each other. Hand holding is supposed to be very romantic.
In earlier episodes Hae-gang did say that she loved Jin-eon, and Jin-eon knew that she loved him.
However, what he meant by saying that she hadn't told him those words before was that she hadn't used the wording 'I Love You', but expressed it in other ways.
And his reaction to that wording showed that, to him 'I Love You' sounded warmer and closer than 'I Love Choi Jin-eon', which personally, I absolutelly understand and agree with.
But considering the fact that Hae-gang has no memory of their past, it would have been better if Jin-eon clarified that she had told him she loved him, but simply not in the manner she did at that moment. Because without clarification it must have sounded to her as if she had never spoken of her love to him, which could have lead to misunderstanding.
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11 hours ago, irilight said:
Hi everyone, here is our opportunity to vote for this drama for SBS Year End Drama Awards.
I hope everyone votes, and we can help make this drama a winner.
SBS Drama Awards
This is a partial list of nominees: Best Drama (I have a Lover) and Best Couple. (Ji Jin Hee and Kim Hyeon-Joo)
A vote on Hancinema will be counted by SBS.
Lets show them we love "I have a Lover!" drama. I'd love to see our drama and couple, at least in the top 3!
Lets vote
http://www.hancinema.net/sbs-drama-awards-2015-partial-nominees-list-89264.html
***Note*** I do not know if it is a one time vote or a daily vote.. Lets try to vote daily and see if it accepts it.
@irilight dear, when you click on the link above, you can see a notice which says: "Please note that your vote on HanCinema is not taken into account by SBS" :-/
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Even though Hae-gang now knows that she is Jin-eon's ex-wife, she's never asked him whether they have/had any children or not...
She saw the photo Jin-eon is carrying in his wallet, with a baby girl sitting on his shoulders, saw how tears rimmed his eyes on her mentioning his child, who like Baek-ji, will also act out of character once she hits puberty (the scene outside the police station), as well as observed how his mood plummeted when the owner of the cafe, they used to go to while at college, asked if they had children and how many.
She even wondered about why he teared up at the moment she spoke of his daughter, asking herself: "Is she sick? or is she..."
So, I guess Hae-gang suspects that something terrible must have happened to their child, but because she is not ready to hear the truth yet, she unconsciously keeps avoiding this topic, which seems to be going to change in the upcoming episodes, based on the ending of ep 28.
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On 06.12.2015 at 5:33 PM, lclarakl said:
He may look younger than 45, but he doesn't look like he's 19 or 20 years old. His body doesn't even look like a 19 or 20 year old. Not saying he isn't a fine specimen of a man because he is, however, he doesn't look like a teenager.
I'm not taking a way his acting, but there are some roles that are better played by younger actors who are in that age range IMO.
WELCOME BACK!!! By the way. You were missed on this thread.
Thank you @lclarakl!
The thread has been missed too.
In fact, I never said Ji Jin-hee looks like he is 19 or 20 years old; what I meant was that he looks younger than his actual age, i.e., younger than 44.
I agree that he doesn't look like the teenager, who are often awkward in terms of appearance, due to physical changes they go through, which cannot be applied to him.
But if you've been referring to the college flashback scenes, well, I also don't think he is suited for a student role, as "there is a time for all things, and a season for every activity". However, I prefer seeing Ji Jin-hee himself to portray the younger version of his characters rathen than 'endure' watching some adolescent actors instead, which I know will make me feel even more irritated.
And, mind you, I'm not talking about his acting in those scenes, but about that wise and mature look in his eyes, which just no college kid can ever have,
The only flashback scene where I found his reactions rather too excessive was the bus scene. Yet again that is what Jin-eon was supposed to be like in the accordance with the script, which the director also approved.
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On 03.12.2015, 6:48:00, lauren2b2 said:
@iclarakl i think ji jin hee is trying too hard in his role as je un. instead of playing it as naturally as possible he is trying too hard to look young and hip when he's already middle age(past 40). well, i guess a leading man role is hard to come by these days in the age of kpop idols etc. but he should act his age not a love struck teen ager.
I think Ji Jin-hee tries hard in all his roles, which is what makes his acting as natural as it is.
As for his role as Jin-eon, he is acting according to the scenario, and that is what actors/actresses are supposed and expected to do.
IMO, he doesn't need to try any hard to look young as he looks so even without trying.
Besides, if a leading man role was hard to come by these days, he wouldn't get offers for numerous projects (dramas/movies) he keeps receiving.
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[Drama 2015/2016] I Have A Lover 애인있어요
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Among the reasons mentioned in my previous post, which probably caused Hae-gang to hold onto Jin-eon no matter what, that is, love, guilt, and desire to gain victory over Seol-ri, I think self-reproach was one of the strongest ones.
In the hospital ward, after the lab explosion, Hae-gang said, addressing (unconscious) Jin-eon: "What is all this? Why did we become like this? I could have just held you like this. If I couldn't hold you with one hand, I could have used both hands. Why did I.. I was too sorry. I was too sorry to you. I was sorry to Eun-sol, so I ignored it and acted like I was fine. I was bad. I did wrong, so please get up, honey".
After questioning 'Why did we become like this?' (referring to everything they'd been going through lately), Hae-gang stated what she could/should have done but didn't. She did not mention Jin-eon and what he could/should and should not have done.
And her remark about not having held his hand, shows that she blamed herself for not having been there for him earlier. She considered herself, her actions as the primary cause of all their problems.
She explained further that the reason why she'd behaved the way she did was because she was sorry to Eun-sol and him, and just acted as if she was fine.
I think her having put on a mask of indifference to Eun-sol's death and Jin-eon's pain could also be motivated by her wish to help Jin-eon cope with the daughter's death easier. She may have thought that if Jin-eon had seen how strong she was, a mother and a woman, it would have revivified his spirits...
She then said she was bad and wrong, and now that she admitted her faults, she wanted him not to take offense at her anymore and get up.
Later she admitted her blunders to her mother-in-law as well, saying if she'd helped her and had given her another chance, she (Hae-gang) will and can do better, that he can love her again and they can start all over.
And after a while, she made a similar confession to her father-in-law, saying that she was wrong and she sincerely apologized. She was arrogant and thought because it was her husband, he would be understanding. Even if she didn't say anything, she thought he would know how she felt. That she would always be everything to him, and that he would always wait for her.
So, given this, I think her willingness to wait for Jin-eon was conditioned not only by love but also by self-condemnation.
And however weird it may sound, but maybe the reason why she still wanted to accept him, although he hurt her and was cruel, was because she thought she 'deserved' to be mistreated.
Yet again, regardless how much Hae-gang/Yong-gi2 loved Jin-eon and held herself responsible for whatever trouble they faced, she was still extremely resentful and angry with him, which resulted in her serving him with toilet lemonade and dipping his toothbrush in the toilet bowl, something I would not have done even to my enemy.
Hae-gang was ready to take Jin-eon back out of self-condemnation and love, while Yong-gi2 "forgave" him just because she had no memory, which was what she told Seol-ri after the latter sent her the photos:
"Why did you send the photos? To shake me and shake our relationship? Merely with those two photos? Since I don't have any memories, I don't have any scars that I received from him. I only have the love I'm receiving. So those photos you painstakingly sent me aren't that hurtful or painful".
Yet again, when Seol-ri mentioned that the photos were taken on the same day Hae-gang was dying away, while Jin-eon was with her (Seol-ri) that way, Hae-gang's facial expression changed, which, by the way, could be observed before she heard from Seol-ri how 'hateful' she had been to Jin-eon to the extent that she'd wanted him to die in the fire...
And now that Hae-gang seems to have regained all the memories, which are not based merely on two photos, the old sores must have been reopened and the scars must have started to bleed again.
The reason why the old Hae-gang wanted to give Jin-eon time to come back to her, and begged him, Seol-ri and everyone else, was not because she had no pride and self-esteem, but because she felt she had a huge share in the dissolution of their marriage.
However, after she remembered everythiing, including her numerous attempts to save their relationship, I think she won't be as self-condemning as before, except for the death of Eun-sol, so she is going to have both her memories and self-esteem intact this time around.
This doesn't mean she won't (be able to) properly forgive Jin-eon, which I hope is the writer's intent, but this is how I see Hae-gang right now.
Actually, regarding Hae-gang's readiness to accept Jin-eon after all he did 4 years ago, I had this 'crazy' thought passing through mind...
I think one of the incidents where Hae-gang was hurt by Jin-eon rather seriously, was when he told her he was thinking of a divorce and that she just had to be ready, as well as that he ended it, and already erased her.
Yes, she saw the divorce papers in his backpack the day before, so she wasn't surprised, but the way Jin-eon put it sounded rather too offensive.
His decision was essentially a fait accompli, which is why she replied that starting can be done by one person, but the end must be made by both of them, and added: "I am going to end my relationship, I am! I'll race hard towards the end. I am curious about our end".
So, my thought...
Given her offence and arrogance, which Hae-gang herself confessed was one of the factors for their split, and her saying to Jin-eon that she was going to be the one who would end their relationship, I wouldn't have been surprised if she had accepted him 4 years back just to drop him shortly afterwards...
As for Hae-gang's relations with Baek-seok, unfortunately, I am not as sure that she will never be his lover as you.
I know, the second male lead rarely gets the first female lead, and the story seems to be about forgiveness, but forgiveness doesn't suggest she has to reunite with her ex-husband.
This is why I have this lingering feeling that, eventually, Hae-gang will come to realization that the happiness she's been searching for, was right next to her all along, that is, next to Baek-seok. And that could be another unexpected twist from our writer.
I would be happy to be proven wrong though...