[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[bebebisous33]

4 hours ago, Shiori Me said:

I can not think that Wang So do not know what a woman Yeon Hwa is. Because of her statements against Hae Soo he should be warned. But also Ji Mong has a deeper meaning. He said then the court lady Oh was not born under the star of a queen. He has seen the Crown Prince Moo will not live very long. Wang So has suffered so much in his life why should he suffer further?

My thoughts:
Hofdame Oh must have seen something in Hae Soo.
King Taejo also saw Hae Soo as a daughter.
Ji Mong knows more than he says.
Yeon Hwa's crime would not tolerate Wang. No way!
(Betrayal and the tea)

Scarlet Heart also had a 2 season. Perhaps the authors also looked around there.

Maybe they will meet again in the future.

Maybe Yeon Hwa will not be his queen I hope so.

Actually, she will have the same fate than Queen Yoo. I have always said that Yeon Hwa is Queen Yoo in the making. King Taejo married Queen Yoo for political reasons and the latter wanted to be loved by him. Yet she discovered that although she was the Queen, Taejo didn't love her. In my opinion, she realised it after the loss of her eldest child as he didn't mourn. Therefore she tried to compensate the pain by her ambition. If she can't have the heart of the king, then her son Yo should become King. She felt that her husband owned her that: the title of Queen Mother. She must have thought that being Queen Mother would kind of erase the fact that she was not loved because a child is supposed to be the proof of love. That's why she killed lady Oh's baby. She couldn't bear the thought that lady Oh would have a child too proving again that Oh was in Taejo's heart.

In my opinion, Yeon Hwa will be happy to marry Wang So because she will be the Queen, like she wanted. However, she will have to pay the price for that. She will never be loved by Wang So. She always claimed that she had no problem with that, yet I don't believe her, when she will realise that Hae Soo is the other woman. 

@40somethingahjumma Thanks for the compliment about my last long analysis. Yes, Hae Soo was too much focused on the future that she missed opportunities to get married to Wang So. On the other hand, she didn't have that wish back then. Yet, just like Eun and SD, she will regret it, especially when Wang So has to marry Yeon Hwa. Yet, she won't protest, rather accept the situation.

[lisethvr]

11 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

Wow! Wonderful song! Big claps to Jung Seung Hwan. 

 

Yeah is Wonderful song, I liked this OST from the first time I heard and is my fav.

[SizzlerZ]

49 minutes ago, Killa92 said:

How if the crown prince later  is actually Hae Soo and Wang So child... Not Wang So and Yeonhwa son... Haaa my wishful thinking....  

 

That would make me very happy  . 

If they were to have a child and WS were to raise him with values of HS it might just be able to heal some of my wounds of HS dying. Although I will be forever scarred with HS's death this might just be one thing I can be happy about with the ending.

[SizzlerZ]

48 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

Actually, she will have the same fate than Queen Yoo. I have always said that Yeon Hwa is Queen Yoo in the making. King Taejo married Queen Yoo for political reasons and the latter wanted to be loved by him. Yet she discovered that although she was the Queen, Taejo didn't love her. In my opinion, she realised it after the loss of her eldest child as he didn't mourn. Therefore she tried to compensate the pain by her ambition. If she can't have the heart of the king, then her son Yo should become King. She felt that her husband owned her that: the title of Queen Mother. She must have thought that being Queen Mother would kind of erase the fact that she was not loved because a child is supposed to be the proof of love. That's why she killed lady Oh's baby. She couldn't bear the thought that lady Oh would have a child too proving again that Oh was in Taejo's heart.

In my opinion, Yeon Hwa will be happy to marry Wang So because she will be the Queen, like she wanted. However, she will have to pay the price for that. She will never be loved by Wang So. She always claimed that she had no problem with that, yet I don't believe her, when she will realise that Hae Soo is the other woman. 

@40somethingahjumma Thanks for the compliment about my last long analysis. Yes, Hae Soo was too much focused on the future that she missed opportunities to get married to Wang So. On the other hand, she didn't have that wish back then. Yet, just like Eun and SD, she will regret it, especially when Wang So has to marry Yeon Hwa. Yet, she won't protest, rather accept the situation.

 

I have thought the same thing as well. In fact I even see Concubine Oh in HS. While WS loves HS just like Taejo loved Concubine Oh (not to that extent - WS-HS love is legendary) WS will never be able to make HS his queen just like Taejo. I see YH fitting in perfectly as Queen Yoo here. 

 

I really hope she dies of jealousy seeing HS-WS together. 

[SizzlerZ]

51 minutes ago, runitaaa said:

 

Based on your post @ladyfriday. It look like Wook in front of the King's quarter. Maybe this is the time when he said 'You said I'm greedy but now you are the king's woman' I hope this will be a satisfying scene, because even after all his dirty scheme, Wook didn't get both the girl nor the throne (eat that you jerk!!)

 

 

I have a feeling that WW will blame HS for everything. I wonder if he's going to look back at everything he's down and everything he's lost (including himself) and then since HS just went to WS he might feel betrayed by her. I'm not saying WW is right in doing so but he might blame HS for everything.

[chi13lou]

11 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

I have a feeling that WW will blame HS for everything. I wonder if he's going to look back at everything he's down and everything he's lost (including himself) and then since HS just went to WS he might feel betrayed by her. I'm not saying WW is right in doing so but he might blame HS for everything.

I really expect that because he is the type of person who never puts the blame on himself. He always sees himself as a victim, conveniently overlooking that it was he who actually and consciously made the decisions that led to his being alone and without a throne.

[vwj1]

I know that I have read that some people are against an Ost that has rapping or English lyrics but we have to remember that this is a drama that blends the modern into the historical and vice versus.  HS is from the modern world 2016. Why shouldn't a modern ost be used? I think the music used, the lyrics used, blends beautifully with the moments and the emotions.

As for WS as Gwanjong, take note when WS and the General was leaving after Yo sent him to build the new castle, the General made the comments that WS is now rich and in charge of building the castle all because WS killed his daughter and son in law. He then made a sound of spitting at WS. All the men following them were mumbling how could WS kill his younger brother like that, showing outright disgust.  I think this was a planned move on the General and WS to play this part out this way.  As obvious by WS's flash back to the discussion they had among him, the General, Ji Mong, and BY about WS wanting to be King.  The general apparently understood that WS is not at fault for killing his daughter and son in law and even goes so far to say he would most likely support WS as King as long as WS understands the sacrifices a King must make for the throne and nation. I think the General made that nasty comment in front of all those men including Wook so that everyone sees the discord between the General and WS.  He and WS will not have to worry that anyone would think the General will ever have WS's back now. All the while, the General has been in support of WS for the throne.  I think this was a brilliant move. Good job to the writer. 

I also think the writer is doing an incredible job trying to portray that how we know the history of the 4th prince is not really all there is to it. History tells us that WS was scary and cruel and killed many, including family members and royal families. However, it is a brilliant move in this drama to allow us to reflect that what we know today may not be all there is to know. We now also know by watching this drama that what drove WS to kill his brothers is not him being just crazy and cruel. We the audience are very much like HS. We are coming to the realization that wait, this person WS may just not be what history says he was.  He seems to be so much more and very much misunderstood.  Yes, he technically did kill his brother and will most likely kill many more people. The thing is, like HS realized, "It was a difficult choice".  I'm excited to see what the writer will bring next to help us in understanding this complex character and this terrible time.  

I can't wait for Monday to get here.  

[Ainee Etp]

My favourite OST:

1. Lee Hi and Epik High

2. Jung Seung Hwan - Wind

3. Everything others!!

 

I really hope they will come out with the OST for background music soon and not let this go simply because of SK rating:

1. The music after WS's disaster dinner with Evil Mom and family, when HS is in her room panicking about WS being the future GJ. (in international version). This also appears when Ji Mong announced the death on the king and Moo as the new king. (I think it appears on both international and SBS version). Also the part after WS drank the poison and asked to excuse himself from the party.

2. The music during the rain ritual. There were 3 parts : 1. The very traditional music started when WS walking into the palace and everyone shocked by his scar-less face. 2. When WS walked up the altar and turned back to look for HS. 3. After the rain started pouring and HS spoke out the word "Gwangjong", WS's scar was revealed in the rain. This music appeared in the 6 min trailer too.

 Seriously the music is so awesome in this rain ritual! 

3. The music played after WS left the party, poisoned and tried to follow HS from behind. The same music played when Oh Sang Gung was going to the gallow for her death sentence, Queen Hwangbo was trying to dissuade the King from killing her (rain falls).

Ahhhh so many so many beautiful  background music in here. Thumbs up to the music team!!

 

[Sharine Phinisia]

But seriously tho

LOOK

AT

THOSE

MASCULINE

 

VEINY

HANDS

I can't believe I just trash this post with my fetish.
Me weak in the knees.
ME NEED HELP

 

[smhelen]

47 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

Wind by Jung Sung Hwan

This one is my favorite. 

[ruizaio]

6 minutes ago, butterflysaga said:

 

Wdyt? 

 

They are two different child actors. They look similar, but they are different kids (Seo Eun Ryul and Park Ha Joon).

 

EDIT: This also reminds me, the child actress who played Mu's daughter is not the one that was LJG's character's daughter in Two Weeks. I vaguely remember it being mentioned here before.

[penelop3]

5 hours ago, briseis said:

Moments Lost Forever

“You said you didn’t need to be king as long as we were together. You’re not saying it anymore.” 

The time when they could leave and disappear, living free and unassuming life together is long gone. They had their chances at happiness, but NOW THEY ARE IRREVOCABLY LOST IN THE PAST - Soo let them slip through her fingers. She had TWO CHANCES AT HAPPINESS WITH WANG SO BUT SHE WAS SO AFRAID OF A FUTURE THAT STILL WASN’T SET THAT SHE LET THE PRESENT PASS HER BY. Twice did Wang So offer her that they ran away together, leaving everything behind and be free together, but she rejected him both times. When he asked her to marry him and offered her freedom and his protection 5 years ago under the starry sky, HE ALREADY THREW AWAY EVERYTHING FOR HER - HIS POSITION, HIS FATHER, HIS FAMILY - in that moment he WAS FREE TO LEAVE WITH HER. And she did love him back then, even though she didn’t realize it at that time, SHE WANTED TO LEAVE WITH HIM WITH EVERY FIBER OF HER BEING, yet her fear of the future stopped her again. NOW, THEY ARE NO LONGER FREE.

AKA So himself admits and confirms to HS THE REAL REASON WHY HE LEFT HER AND DECIDED TO BECOME THE KING. Even, if they ran together now, they could NEVER BE FREE BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEED TO RUN THEIR WHOLE LIFE since they would be hunted. There is nowhere to run anyway because there is no place in Goryeo where they could escape the king’s power, that’s why SO NEEDS TO BECOME THE KING.

OMG! THEY ARE REALLY MEANT TO BE! The same IDEALISTIC DREAMERS! The FINAL PROOF THAT PEOPLE DO NOT REALLY CHANGE, ONLY BECOME WHAT THEY REALLY ARE! Talk about some CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENCY! 

All those years SO’S BEEN BASICALLY LIVING BY HS’ WORDS, FOLLOWING THEM LIKE A RELIGION because it WAS HER who had instilled the notions of equality and freedom and justice so long ago and HE HAS NEVER FORGOTTEN IT! He’s been thinking about her every single day he’s been away from her!

@briseis Sorry to cut your post.
I LOVE this post. Fate and Time has never been on their side. They've wasted so much time trying to understand each other, and when they finally did, sigh.. there's not much time left - even by then, their journey will not be as smooth. My heart ache for these two. I guess this is what great love is all about. 

6 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

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Speaking of choices, I've been meaning to give props to the lad that plays Yo, Hong Jong Hyun. I think he's done a sterling job with the material. He's probably been given some of the best lines in the show especially in Ep. 16. He plays Yo with such relish and a great sense of irony even when he's degenerating through paranoia. On some level he is right to be paranoid because So and Ji Mong have been actively conspiring against him. On top of that, his mother is now telling him to make Jeong his successor which exacerbates his paranoia. There's a nice irony in what he says to her. A self-deprecating awareness behind the tyrannical mask.

I absolutely love the line about the breeding-pig. My fellow subbers at DSS tell me that it refers to a king that's washed out and only good for passing down the throne. LOL. 

That's the thing I like about Yo... he knows his ambitious and he's a bad guy on some level. And he even knows subconsciously that his Nazi-Bene Gesserit mother is using him as her pawn in her chess game. And while his hallucination scene in the broadcast version is a hoot, what I loved more was that Sauron voice going "Yo, Yo". 

And really... we have him to thank for in bringing So and Su back together. Without him, we wouldn't have gotten the night of passion. Personally I think we have much to thank him for in this show. If he hadn't tricked Eun into getting So unmasked we wouldn't have gotten Goryeo BB cream and the start to the OTP's romance.

I know we all praise LJG to the skies here... and he really does deserve it. However, I can't agree that he singlehandedly holds this show together or elevates it. If the rest of the cast were that mediocre, I doubt this show would have much staying power. At least not for me anyway. 

Sorry to cut your post 
@40somethingahjumma I always love to read your post, and I love the way you highlight Yo's role in the drama. 
Unlike Wook whom we love to peel his characters and motive layers by layers, Yo seems to be a 2 dimensional characters. But reading your post, I'm glad that you bring back perspective on Yo. 

They say there is no light without dark, no good without evil; if everything is calm and happy, then there's no appreciation of real happiness and of real suffering. Yo is evil, but he is necessary evil; and being so upfront about it makes us cast him as villain through and through - we dont bother to understand him further and perhaps sympathize him. We immediately cast him as the bad guy and that's the end of it. I really like his act in ep 16 and he has my sympathy - but not for long. What is evil? Whatever springs from weakness. His weakness makes him evil - I'd say Evil Mom cultivated that in him. But nonetheless, I'm glad that he will receive his comeuppance soon. 

6 hours ago, briseis said:

Episode 17 stills

source: ML facebook

@briseis Thank you for the new stills! It's so funny to see Jung's eyebrows. In the first still, they seem to say, "aaaww you're praying for [insert name], such a gentle and kind So", and in the second still, they say "Stop talking. I dont want to hear you talk about that murderer"
All in all, beautiful transformation of Soo! She does look so gentle and serene. I guess that's what acceptance can do to you. 

[SizzlerZ]

@butterflysaga and @ruizaio amazing eye and research both of you . I suddenly feel soooo happy to work on this thread!

[vwj1]

Definitely love at first site.  It was just that So was so very mean sometimes to Su at the beginning (always due to a misunderstanding though), that Su turned to Wook. But the way they looked at each other on that horse the first time they met, made me blush. 

[redlion]

15 minutes ago, chi13lou said:

I really expect that because he of person who never putsKings  the blame on himself. He always sees himself as a victim, conveniently overlooking that it was he who actually and consciously made the decisions that led to his being alone and without a throne.

Yes..... the truth is he had the CHOICE and he choosed power over love he chosed throne over HS. He made His decisions to let go her, he even covered up his sisters sin.... he Suggested to Yo to make HS "hostage" so they can makes WS the kings Dog.

I love a bit of 8th prince in BBJX but in SHR..... he Always makes me Angry.... 

[SizzlerZ]

23 minutes ago, chi13lou said:

I really expect that because he is the type of person who never puts the blame on himself. He always sees himself as a victim, conveniently overlooking that it was he who actually and consciously made the decisions that led to his being alone and without a throne.

 

Your right in saying that which only makes me more sure that he's going to blame HS. If he does end up  confronting HS in anyway I hope HS does not get too hurt over this and end up blaming herself for anything. I'm actually willing to let WW go with him blaming HS for everything because I've accepted that that's just him. But please HS don't blame yourself for what WW's become you've already blamed yourself for enough. HS just be like YH in this matter and be selfish as heck. 

I really think this HS-WW thing is a complete mess that doesn't have much hope of getting solved.

[moonangelcake]

24 minutes ago, Ainee Etp said:

My favourite OST:

1. Lee Hi and Epik High

2. Jung Seung Hwan - Wind

3. Everything others!!

 

I really hope they will come out with the OST for background music soon and not let this go simply because of SK rating:

1. The music after WS's disaster dinner with Evil Mom and family, when HS is in her room panicking about WS being the future GJ. (in international version). This also appears when Ji Mong announced the death on the king and Moo as the new king. (I think it appears on both international and SBS version). Also the part after WS drank the poison and asked to excuse himself from the party.

2. The music during the rain ritual. There were 3 parts : 1. The very traditional music started when WS walking into the palace and everyone shocked by his scar-less face. 2. When WS walked up the altar and turned back to look for HS. 3. After the rain started pouring and HS spoke out the word "Gwangjong", WS's scar was revealed in the rain. This music appeared in the 6 min trailer too.

 Seriously the music is so awesome in this rain ritual! 

3. The music played after WS left the party, poisoned and tried to follow HS from behind. The same music played when Oh Sang Gung was going to the gallow for her death sentence, Queen Hwangbo was trying to dissuade the King from killing her (rain falls).

Ahhhh so many so many beautiful  background music in here. Thumbs up to the music team!!

 

 

Yes! I love the background music too! If only they were officially released...

Someone on YT was kind enough to upload some of these background music, I'm not sure if the channel has what you mentioned in your post, but it's still worth checking.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHnHvADHJM4moPtp7BuFowg/videos

[chi13lou]

2 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

Your right in saying that which only makes me more sure that he's going to blame HS. If he does end up  confronting HS in anyway I hope HS does not get too hurt over this and end up blaming herself for anything. I'm actually willing to let WW go with him blaming HS for everything because I've accepted that that's just him. But please HS don't blame yourself for what WW's become you've already blamed yourself for enough. HS just be like YH in this matter and be selfish as heck. 

I really think this HS-WW thing is a complete mess that doesn't have much hope of getting solved.

Maybe HS will somehow ponder over it a bit but she may surprise us, considering how she is so in love now with WS and the way she dealt with him after Yo's failed coup d'etat.

While WS was away for 2 years, I am curious as to whether WW did anything to try to woo her back or if he just decided to wait again for him to become king before acting on making her his.

[pass3rby]

I am so scared of my own thought.

History tends to repeat itself. I read one of you said that YH is Queen Yoo in the making. HS is gonna be CourtLady Oh. Gwangjong is gonna be Taejo. I don't think i am ready to see SoSoo separation. Ep 17 might be the last happy episode for SoSoo.

The water might runs dry because the burning fire is too big and the cloud had risen but the rain has not fallen yet.

[junejungki]

My 3 favourite OST for MLSHR

1. For You - Exo

2. I Love You, I Remember You - IOI

3. My Love - Lee Hi