[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[riuenu]

27 minutes ago, qwenli said:

That's the crown prince/king Moo ! The lady at the back of LJG is the writer who give us all these "sick stories" lol

@riuenu nearly all the regular IG users posted! except IU, who hasnt posted anything since 17 aug. hmmm, trying to avoid scandals...

gosh, this drama is equally exciting behind the scenes. Love their friendship 

@qwenli hahahahahaha same thinking u know...I hope IU will post as well..

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but seem like...after some SNS incident...she very seldom on SNS..especially twitter...I saw her fan mentioned that, she login twitter after 2 years or 3 years? And all of them are very happy about that

Yup, love their friendship and love their gathering dinner, especially after a heavy episode ytd, simply <3

[millie10468]

I wonder if there's going to be another timeskip in next week's episodes. The question is when. Soo's question of whether So has forgotten her makes me wonder if they were separated for a while. It would also make sense why Won is saying Soo is still with So.

Is it immediately after Eun and Sd are killed? But So gets hurt saving Soo so I assumed they'll be together immediately in the aftermath. However, their meeting in that room doesn't seem like it happened immediately. So went at Soo like he hadn't seen her in ages. And here, Soo's question would make better sense.

I do wonder why they'd be separated though. Did Yo send So away or something?

Also, Jimong's "It's time now" strikes me as So and Soo's lying low until they can strike back at Yo via a rebellion or something along those lines (where So, the general and Baek Ah are on horses)

[kdramawriter]

10 minutes ago, meahri_1 said:

 

@kdramawriter Your post ROCKED!!  The way you navigated through your explanation was perfect. So much so that I totally believe your theory is correct. Looking forward to hearing from you again.

Haha, thank you! I have some additional thoughts too:

Go Ha Jin comes from a different future than ours. She’s shaping her future to the the one that we know. This makes so much logical sense because her premonitions, while true, have been wrong in delivering on the details (aka, such as the details of being in front of the throne with WS, WS’s tears at killing Eun). Goddamn, sometimes this show is too subtle for its own good. And I’m fully on board with @pineapplegongzhou’s Power of Love theory for Hae Su. The love that Hae Su has for Wang so is the primary factor in changing his behavior and making him into the Gwangjong reform king that we all know today. Overall, I think there some editing issues, but the show stands up really well to some deep reading and I think that’s always the mark of good writing. Show’s problem is that it’s depending on people to pay attention very closely (but then also serves us many many useless scenes).

It’s interesting to me that so many people hate Hae Su’s motivation because she doesn’t “trust” Su. It’s a charge leveled at women a lot, that we’re not trustworthy. I find that she’s motivated by love of Wang So, to protect him, to save him, and that doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t trust herself first. In this episode, Hae Su choose trust in herself, to change things for the better for Wang So. And that I find to be a noble motivation and at the heart of who she is. Are we all freaking out because Wang So knows that she was hiding Eun without telling him? Maybe. I for one, can’t wait to see the fall out.

She gets told on 2 separate occasions by 2 different people (Yo & So) that she’s going to be used as the hostage/bait to control Wang So. This confirms for her, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Wang So will be used against her. (It’s already been done by Yo–so she’s essentially waiting for the other shoe to drop). If anything, I feel like she’s trying to prevent WS from having to kill Eun, but also from her being used as leverage so WS HAS to kill Eun. Even she said to WS right before he leaves for his mission “Did he [Yo] blackmail you with my life again?”

The majority of the HS hate seems to be directed at HS not telling WS about Eun’s whereabouts. But if we know anything about this story, we know that it has a deterministic ending – WS will have to end Eun’s life no matter what, but the question is HOW will he end Eun’s life? There's no scenario in the show where if HS did tell WS about Eun that WS would be able to successfully save Eun - because Eun is fated to die. That's how determinism works. If HS did tell WS about her hiding Eun, there will simply be another mitigating factor that leads to Eun’s death (instead of YH discovering Eun b/c he was hiding at the Damiwon, the story would have lead ANOTHER involved character to reveal Eun to Yo). I take the position that because of HS’s will to save Eun on her own, Wang So is given (while still terrible) task of mercy killing Eun, instead of a murder in another horrifying manner – scarring him earlier and turning him to the bloodthirsty king Go Ha Jin knows.

I really believe Hae Su is there to steer every major decision in Gwangjong’s life to become the emperor that we know today. And that is her purpose in life. Poor baby HS, at least you get some LJK kisses out of it.

**last unrelated note: 

I also find it unfair that people are blaming Hae Su for not spotting the mercury poisoning earlier. King Mu wasn’t just a dude, hanging out in the bathtub all day by himself and Hae Su. She wasn’t the only one to see him. He had a trusted circle of advisors who would HAVE to notice and yet none of those people spoke up (that goes for you too Jimong, Baek-Ah, Ji Soo). If she HAD questioned the king’s sanity, she also would have been shut-down REAL quick. This gives creedance to my theory that Wang So was not in the palace for the last two years, or away for travel significantly so that Hae Su could not tell him her suspicions.

 

 

 

[antiherofans]

16 minutes ago, meahri_1 said:

 

@kdramawriter Your post ROCKED!!  The way you navigated through your explanation was perfect. So much so that I totally believe your theory is correct. Looking forward to hearing from you again.

 

Yes, that is excellent post. It is all makes sense now to me. I always wonder why Go Hajin think Gwangjong is a ruthless king.

[shiqin3381]

When Jimong said 'I believe it is times now' it happen before the kiss or after?

 

[enigmatic_zephy]

someone give me link to 14 kiss

[fuyukoneko]

7 hours ago, dwookie said:

 

Yes, but wasn't that Ruoxi the original Ruoxi -like not the Ruoxi who originated from the future or was it the time he was living in 8th's estate? Again, it sucket Scarlet Heart Ryeo only have 20 eps. unlike BBJX, kver is more complicated because of the time jumps and some scenes that were "pivotal" but wasn't included.

 

Thanks for the answer, it sucks because I like SD/Eun more than their version in BBJX (lol) Ugghhh my SD/Eun

 

Nope, in episode 1 or 2, Ruoxi's sister tells the Ruoxi from the future that every 3 years, unmarried noble woman have to enter the palace to see if they will be selected as a concubine or court lady. And we see scenes of Ruoxi failing her sister etiquette tests and there's change of seasons and holidays to show that over a year passes before Ruoxi enters the palace.

[MadraRua]

@ruizaio

I completed the survey using my real name and email - mhuirisrua@gmail.com. Please folks don't do the survey multiple times as it decreases the genuine results of the survey which will negate it in the end. Thanks again for all your hard work @ruizaio and those of the SHR fans over on DC. 

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Younger Ji Mong, Wang Moo and So. (They were so happy.)

Cr: youngshin

 

@soorani

I found the source of that CPI message on tumblr. It was originally posted by lavenderbyun in response to a message sent by wanweird-of-an-argonaut. 

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so @wanweird-of-an-argonaut just sent me this and i thought I’d share it, esp for those who are curious about how badly the ratings are affecting everything:

“Scarlet Heart Ryeo” ranked the highest in the contents power index (CPI) compared to other drama. CPI is an integrated index developed by CJ E&M and Nielsen Korea to capture wider data than just viewership about influence of contents. The data includes Internet news subscription rankings, direct search rankings, interest, engagements and social media buzz.“ Besides, the existing tv rating measurement system has become outdated after the existence of internet esp. social media. Nielsen Korea based its rating on the 2000 households. How could 2000 households represent the whole viewing population? Aside from Moon Lovers being ranked as the highest in the Contents Power Index in Korea, it has more than 1 billion views in China which is more powerful than the percentage(%) of the viewership of the 2000 households with which Nielsen Korea based its rating analysis.”

 

There's no link however to the CPI statistics for this message. I've been searching online for them to verify this but no joy so far. Maybe someone else will have better luck. 

@jerboa83

I think it's hit or miss with posting content to Youtube. The first MV I did was caught straight away and blocked worldwide. Had to upload that one to Vimeo. Dailymotion also rejected it. I changed the length of the clips shown for the second one and with copious Hail Mary's it was accepted. I say accepted, the music was caught but they were happy as long as they got to monetize the video. Plus it's viewable worldwide. I don't know what to say to you really. I would love to see your MV so try uploading it somewhere else. Mine now has 633 views - woot woot  That's 632 views more than I thought it'd get.  

 

[amisyka77]

1 hour ago, kdramawriter said:

Great theory from Dramabeans which lays out the logic of the show really well:

78 patpat October 12th, 2016 at 12:39 AM

I keep thinking, what if the history that Jimong and Go Hajin knew is different than the history that we know now? According to the history, after King Taejo’s death, the list of the king is Moo, Yo, then So. But Jimong said that Yo’s crowning was out of his prediction. Yo was never meant to be king before, it should have been Moo then So. Go Hajin also thought that after King Taejo, Gwangjong was the next King (yes, I even rewatch eps 1 to make sure), probably because Moo’s reign wasn’t significant. Yo’s reign in history, if it existed, should have been remarkable for the destruction he had done so far, but Go Hajin didn’t have any memory about that. So I think it’s safe to say that the history that Go Hajin knew was different from the history that we know. Hence, we can say that the history did change. And the reason for that change, as Jimong said, should be a variable. What if the variable is Go Hajin’s Soo? [....]

 

 

To summarize : HS comes to goryeo to HUMANIZE WS.

One commentator of DB post almost same thing as this one. I really like the theory. It makes all the things fit into places 

[Gabi Bros]

1 hour ago, qwenli said:

they must have met today 12 Oct. 

Yes! I am so happy that they met again!!! The majority is there.  

[ruizaio]

5 hours ago, Hanazumi said:

I had the same thought when I first started watching MLSHR. No doubt that in the original, 8th prince was the principal rival to 4th prince. But since MLSHR took creative liberties, they did not have to have 8th prince. They could have make up random orders instead of using the one from the original novel. But if they did and used 9th prince as the main rival to Wang So then they needed to add one more in to fill the 9th prince's spot. I hope we get to see little Seongjong (lol ).

 

What the Korean version did was to select some of the princes out of the 25 in history and assigned them the corresponding order of the C-version. So is 4th in real history, but the rest of the princes are actually different. Jung (14th in drama) was older than Wook1 (8th in drama), for example. What I'm talking about is that they should have picked a different prince for the main rival and not the one that seemed to be historically his best buddy. Wang Won (9th in drama) had an older brother in history, so he could have been the prince that serves the role of 8th, and the historical Wook could have been another Baek Ah instead.

On DC, somebody mentioned how if Go Ha Jin's soul had entered Yeon Hwa's body instead of Hae Soo's, it would be a definite happy ending... ah well. 

[Artheusa]

57 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:

 

LOL I love this scene too but I was confused if HS was trying to let go of his hand because of the 9th prince or she was holding his hand tighter because she was worried. Thank you for clearing that up for me and I'm glad she held on well     

 

I think in that scene she both clings on to him out of fear (she hides behind him), and also to stop him from fighting with the 9th prince for her sake. It's like a "calm down, don't act rashly for me" gesture. Wang So feels her fear, turns to look at her and swallows his anger.

[ruizaio]

1 hour ago, sooji28 said:

Guys, I've been wondering. I never read the novel, and never watch the c-version. 

But I've read somewhere in this thread, that Ruoxi (or Hae Soo in K-version) will tell 4th Prince that she is a woman from the future? And she will tell that 4th prince will be a king. 

Is it true, there is such a thing in the novel and c-version? and how 4th prince overcome Ruoxi/Hae Soo confession?

perhaps @ruizaio can help me?

 

 

I have not read the novel or watched the c-version, so I don't know. K fans would love to see So call Hae Soo Ha Jin instead.

[Ainee Etp]

Not sure if anyone posted this already.

http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1168280/list/95888

This video is testing my speed to read Korean, using the So to make up hashtags. If you watch it with the hearphone, it will feel like Wang So is bugging you, talking to you non stop.

I was laughing so loud at Wang So = King Cow.  #So-Romantic

[penelop3]

1 hour ago, riuenu said:

Not too sure have this been posted...but our ladies updated their instagram for today dinner as well!

 

 

Everybody's wearing BLACK...  Dress code? 

[virsvirs]

 

This was Wang So’s birthday present for Hae Soo. Not an object, but a beautiful memory she will forever remember :')

She is under that large and beautiful sky with him, looking at the stars they can only see in Goryeo...

 

What a beautiful & romantic way of So yaa! He knows that there is nothing more beautiful than spending time with your loved ones and they say that the greatest gift you can give to someone is your time ;-)

 

cr: http://my-luhaen.tumblr.com/

[shae]

I thought the preview had Yo force kiss HS, or am I wrong?

[Rose3]

19 minutes ago, virsvirs said:

This was Wang So’s birthday present for Hae Soo. Not an object, but a beautiful memory she will forever remember :')

She is under that large and beautiful sky with him, looking at the stars they can only see in Goryeo...

 

What a beautiful & romantic way of So yaa! He knows that there is nothing more beautiful than spending time with your loved ones and they say that the greatest gift you can give to someone is your time ;-)

 

cr: http://my-luhaen.tumblr.com/

 

Wow, amazing cinematography! Where can I get a guy like Wang So in real life? 

[soorani]

Thanks @MadraRua for finding the source on Tumblr 

 

46 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

 

What the Korean version did was to select some of the princes out of the 25 in history and assigned them the corresponding order of the C-version. So is 4th in real history, but the rest of the princes are actually different. Jung (14th in drama) was older than Wook1 (8th in drama), for example. What I'm talking about is that they should have picked a different prince for the main rival and not the one that seemed to be historically his best buddy. Wang Won (9th in drama) had an older brother in history, so he could have been the prince that serves the role of 8th, and the historical Wook could have been another Baek Ah instead.

On DC, somebody mentioned how if Go Ha Jin's soul had entered Yeon Hwa's body instead of Hae Soo's, it would be a definite happy ending... ah well. 

 

 

 

Lol, this is so true! If she was Yeon Hwa, they could've  evaded all the problems *sigh* 

 

[penelop3]

1 hour ago, virsvirs said:

I literally screamed and my whole body shivered when I watched this scene! Omo omo look at them! Hae Soo held So's hand sooo tight! We could actually feel her fear, but at the same time we feel so safe right! It feels like he's telling her that she has nothing to be afraid of awwwww

4th prince really is a dark knight in shining armor kinda guy! I want one! 

cr: http://my-luhaen.tumblr.com/

 

@virsvirs You're not alone. I actually think this hand holding is as HOT as the kiss! 
PS: I know you ladies love LJK as a whole.. but for me, I just love his hand. Crazy over it! 
Hahahaa