[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[bingewatcherinsomniac]

Wow this thread seriously never sleep! I admire all of you guys undying love and dedication to this drama, it's really heartwarming...especially knowing the criticism and lukewarm response in its home country, I'm glad in here we can feel the love and appreciation they truly deserve. Let's continue support this drama together, shall we? 

i haven't able to catch up with your pace just yet with 22+ pages to skimmed through and most likely that there are already same opinion here as I am (hooray!), so i apologize if it might sound a bit redundant, i just wanna release my inner fangirl self and share my 2 cents in understanding haesoo's inner turmoil. Since I'm the same age as go hajin though with different personality traits (I'm more introverted with a case of HSP)  and have a fascination with psychology as a subject, i will try to put more context into her behavior. Apologize in advance for the long boring essay and thank you to all of you who kind enough to read my unimportant babbling.

Haesoo's inner turmoil and her emotional outbursts 

Before i try to decipher the nuance of emotion on last scene of episode 9 and how i feel about it, i want to talk about the main source of trouble that provoke her emotions, 'the whole promonition' itself. I'm holding on to the theory that her visions is not happen randomly at all, it was intentional and most likely occur whenever her very action shape the 'future' or at least help it fall into places. And if we actually believe that the nature of her time travel itself as part of her destiny and karma to be wang so's fated lover, that send her to an infine loop of time as haesoo/go hajin, it might explain why she encounters all of this flashes of image of wang so's future and why it centered around him only. There's a chance that it was probably a fragment of her sub-conscious memory, in which she might have experience it herself, and she was part of "that history". But then it leads us to the fundamental question, Is future already firmly determined? Or is there a so called butterfly effect of action that could possibly change the course of the future?

In Haesoo's state of bewilderment, these were also two question that keep hanging over her head. The problem is, she had no idea what kind of solace she was looking for. At one side, believing that the future as definite thing will liberates her from the burden of responsibility of her action and will dispense her liability of causing future misfortune. But then, believing that there's a butterfly effect of action that possibly change the future will allows her to make an adjustment, it will gave her a chance to create "a better version" of future at least from her perspective. either way she's undoubtedly playing god herself, and no-one could have the real answer to this question. And certainly, none of these answer will offer her a peace of mind.

She then received conflicting answer from Jimong who most likely a time-traveler himself, the only person she could beg for a truth. Similar to her, that ever since he experience life and death situation by almost drown in his childhood, he starts having a weird dream about outrageous thing (which as 21st century girl deemed not crazy at all and did exist), but he treat it as a gift from heaven because it gave him a reputation and trust from the king due to the accuracy and prophetic nature of his visions. And he told her to just accept her fate and specifically asked her to do nothing, which support theory number 1. But he also implicitly suggest that she indeed make a change when she covers wang so's scar and help him overcome his fear. There were also many scene in this drama that highlight his part in shaping that 'future' himself. As a result , she left even more confused than before.

And neither Lady Oh could gave her an assurance of her choice, a motherly figure for her, warned her about wang so's growing affection and gave her advice that it was impossible to try to change someone, she tried it herself to the love of her life and failed, it would only hurt her. Poor girl, no one could ease her anxiety.

In that episode, there were two premonition she experienced:

1. On her first glimpse of future gwangjong, it just an image of him looking evil wearing a king's garb. Which then she deduced from her limited and distorted view of history, as a bad omen. The fact that a person she knows personally and grow fond off would eventually killed his brothers she also adores is what leave her in disbelief. However looking at him, she still chose to follow her heart and prevent that from happening. -> At this point only, her state of emotion was more of dumbfounded and in denial. As a response her behavior was more cautious and wary around him. But I perceive it was driven by the fact she understand the weight of her action, to avoid making another false move, rather than afraid of him. In a nutshell, she stop being audacious and irresponsible in thoughts. She assumed it was the best way to deal with it.
2. It was the second vision that completely strike terror into her. It was more vivid in details, regardless how incomplete and disjointed it might be, she did saw the very moment of that horrifyingy tragedy right in front of her eyes. She no longer can blame the vagueness of her premonition itself or her limited historical knowledge to give him the benefit of the doubt. From her perspective, it indeed happened, he really did it, and most importantly she thought she was FAILED. This revelation caused a major emotional breakdown, the fact that there is nothing she can do to prevent it and she had a hand in creating this future misfortune, completely devastated her.

And then wook came to her at the worst possible timing, just a minute after she have a case of panic attack. Under immense stress and mentally unstable condition, she start blaming herself and desperately beg him to get her out of here. What she meant by "here" was not just about rescuing her out of palace, but literally her life in goryeo. She thought her very presence in goryeo is already a mistake on itself, she did not belong here and shouldn't be here meddling recklessly with history. And at her state of anxiety, looking at his face, she start projecting her fear to him, that he at least need to be saved. She straight out warned him to be cautious around wang so and to never go against his wishes, definitely unwise and thoughtless thing to be said, but it was understandable considering her emotional state during that time, she was basically out of her mind. I believe whoever princes (other than wang so) came to her in that particular moment, she would blurt out the same concern.

But to have wook received that kind of distress signal and witness himself how emotionally shaken haesoo was, it did send a magnitude of impact to him and possibly made him abandon all together his old safe way just to rescue her. So yes it was her action that in a way create a strife between the brothers, the very opposite outcome than what she originally intended.

However, in contrast to wook's gaffe, i am actually relief that haesoo and wang so met and confront each other. I appreciate that it was her raw, honest, and unfiltered emotional outburst she was lashing to him, that did provide a chance for them to fix their issues. I understand with the emotional built up tension they both had, it sure was hard to watch how they 'hurt' each other. But believe me it was for the better. Remember, after the first gwangjong vision she had, it was his presence that finally gave her solace to follow her heart and believe that she could change thing for the better. Not jimong, wang wook or lady oh, only him could gave her a peace of mind, convince her, and ease her worries.

Looking from wang so's perspective, to suddenly received blatant rejection and loathsome remarks with no particular reason whatsoever from the person who meant the world to him, who he learns to trust and love dearly, I can't imagine how devestated and hurtful he was. From psychological pov, there are at least 3 possible reaction dealing with confrontation that people usually opt to: (i) with anger, (ii) leave her there, either for the sake to give her some space or unable to deal with the heat of confrontation itself, and (iii) faced it right away, overcome the difficult and uncomfortable feeling, and try to fix their issues. 

And you know what, it was a testament of how deep his feeling was for her, that he still chose to stay, faced their problems, tolerated her emotional state, and even go as far as begged her to understand him better. As inappropriate as it was, the "force kiss" happened after he saw his plead did not work to calm her down. It was his desperate attempt since his words did not reached her. He has to assert his power to take control of the situation, to precisely demonstrate his sincere feeling to her, that there was nothing to fear about him, that his love for her is real.

And I assume from the preview, that the horse riding scene came after this, he thought it was the tension of the palace life that caused her emotional distress, he was emphatic enough to sense her necessity to get her out of there even without explicitly expressed it to him, unlike wook he hastily took a risk to get her out right then immediately, without even weighing the repercussion it might caused, since he feel that she desperately need a gateaway to clear her mind.

[notintoyou]

32 minutes ago, shiraru said:

I'm sorry I posted this BTS again, but it's just. So. CUTE!

 

Notice how Kang Haneul reacts, his head immediately turned to whoever suggested him to shoot a melodrama with IU in excitement. And that little smile though, awwwwww~ 

 

Then put his head down, while sneaking a peek, shy shy shy~ hehehe...even I think IU think his gesture is cute, she also immediately mimicking the gesture. 

 

We definitely need a Kang Haneul in our life, ahahahahaa....what an adorable guy, where can I find one??

 

it's a pity that the director is diminishing their natural chemistry... I understand, but still. I don't ship Wook-Soo but KHN-IU. Sorry to her bf lol

an adorable ha neul:

[liddi]

@ruizaio Thank you for listing those inconsistencies. I did notice the mistake in Ep4 when Queen Yoo spoke of being able to have Jung, thanks to So being sent away, but didn't realise how poorly translated Hae Soo's relationship with Myung Hee was. C-subs have Myung Hee as 堂姐, which is Soo's older female cousin on the paternal side. Is that somewhat similar to the meaning of 육촌 6-chon? Now more than ever, I am raring to go back and watch C-subbed, to see what else I have been misled about. Time. Time! It is really a shame though because while I normally immediately refer to C-subs for sageuks, this time I didn't think it would be necessary because it was pre-produced and expected the subbers would have had ample opportunity to do a proper translation even before the initial broadcast.

@40somethingahjumma Thank you for pointing out the DSS has another set of English subs that we can refer to. Are you on the subbing team? Will definitely check it out. I agree about nuances, particularly play on words, get lost in translation with subs, and this to be especially true in sageuks. And fervently agree too with the jarring use of name rather than honorifics in the dialogue.. which while perhaps is easier to know immediately who the person is referring to, loses the added layer of depth in the way characters relate to one another. On a side note, I revisited Tree with Deep Roots, this time C-subbed a few months back, and certain dialogues made so much more sense compared to when I first watched with English subs.

While on the topic of Tree and languages... I love how MLSHR takes care to stay true to the essence of the source material, and create their own spin on it. One which I found to be especially clever, is the evolution of language and how our heroine struggled with it. In the original, Zhang Xiao (modern day Ruoxi), was versed in simplified Chinese 简体字, since she lived in China. As such, she struggled with literacy when she went back to the past, because the written language then was 繁体字 Traditional Chinese, which can be vastly different. (Side note: If she had been brought up in Taiwan or Hong Kong, she would have had no such issues since they are still reading in traditional Chinese today! ) Meanwhile, in MLSHR, Soo's problem is being versed in Hangul and not Hanja (which is comprised of Traditional Chinese characters). What a wonderfully adapted parallel, and one that is historically resonant. Well done. To top it off, the use of emojis was a totally unexpected but nice touch, particularly in this day and age when emojis are very much the rage!  

I have a question which I have not been able to find a satisfactory answer so far. Myung Hee told Wook of the doctor's diagnosis that Soo drowned, and only revived and came out of the water 2 hours later. How would anyone, doctor or not, have known that she died in the first place, since she was not discovered to have drowned before she came out of the water and frightened Eun? I could even accept Ji Mong's claim that he drowned as a boy and came back to life a day later, because his body was most probably brought out of the water and being prepared for burial at the time. Yet how did anyone even make a similar conjecture with regards to Soo? I understand that this is perhaps to draw the parallel between Soo and Ji Mong's experiences, but I find Soo's to be poorly explained, at least based on Ep1. 

[junee22]

@hallyus 

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download..hahaha,streaming sinyalnya ga kuat..ga ada chanel One juga 

@solelylurking

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cuman lagi ngomongin kenapa di Indonesia ga ada berita rating MLSHR 

I think I'm going back to silent reader mode for a while..the thread is too fast to keep up..anyways, I'm enjoying all your analysis'..2 more days..happy weekend all. 

[ruizaio]

@liddi yes, 6-chon means your grandparents were siblings. Since they both belong to the Hae clan, they would come from the same paternal family. 

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Which brings up another criticism on ML- historically, Wook was married to one of his half-sisters and had a son and two daughters. The daughters marry So's son that later becomes king after Gwangjong, and the son becomes the next king, too. By giving Wook a fictitious wife that dies without giving him children, some people are worried about how the royal line will continue. I suppose they can have him survive to the end and hint that he gets married later on (his son is born in year 961, and we're in year 943, and the synopsis suggested the show will only cover up to about year 954), but if that's the case, HS really doesn't need to fear for his life...

 

I myself have wondered the same thing about Hae Soo's drowning, and wondered if it was really Chaeryung's words that she was in water for 2 hours. I'll have to go back and check the episode 1, but this reminds me of another term that gets commonly mistranslated. The common unit of time in sageuks is actually 2 hours long, but DF consistently translates it as 1 hour. 

EDIT: there was one incidence where JM's line was translated as if it belonged to WS, which made me wonder if the DF translator was just translating from text without watching the episodes.

[aprilslily]

2 hours ago, notintoyou said:

"She can fix him, or whatever" cr: http://hanichul.tumblr.com/post/150738841454/insp

 

 Possible the best thing I have read tonight, and it should be known that I am at total SoSoo shipper, AND A guy asked me tonight "on a scale  of 1 to America how free are you tonight?" 

[valentvcd]

1 hour ago, UnniSarah said:

omo  omo 

I only said that because i reallllll y hate how she treats him.  I mean't no offense just saying that since it is a drama. 

 LOL... it is ok @UnniSarah I also hope WS will has better omma... and omg.. why I have to get offense??? just relax 

[kdramakrazy]

4 hours ago, notintoyou said:

I'm team Hae Soo. saw this on tumblr and I agree with what this person is saying.

 

 

I'm going to differ with this tumblr post.

It has nothing to do with girl vs boy. Nor does it have to do with how hot the guy is. In real life i would totally be on the hae su's side. But this is a drama. The simple reason is that people are more sympathetic to wang so because he touches our heart. Whether it is the writing or LJK's performance, wang so is the one who we understand.

Hae su's panic was so one tone. Given the confusing timeline, it has been at minimum 2 days since she realised that wang so is the future king yet her response is the same. run, flail, panic, warn wook. I like IU well enough but in critical scenes she falters. Example - I never thought she was seriously conflicted or saddened by falling in love with someone else's husband (when the wife for alive). Same here, i don't see panic but irrational behaviour which is boderline cruel to a person she promised she will not change and he can trust her.

LJK is selling wang so to me like anything. I can understand his pain, his desperation, his growing obsessiveness to hang on to the one person that has shown him care. Everything is not about male vs female, in dramas, it is all about who can make you care for the character. Here wang so has killed people, animals, threatened her, and yes forced kissed her, but people are still saying poor wang so! not because we don't know what is right or wrong but because the actor has completely captivated us and convinced us that "yes, the character cruel but you have to feel for him. I  have left you with no other choice. "

Edited September 24, 2016 by LyraYoo
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[KdramaAddict]

@liddi @ruizaio thank you both of you for all those analysis and translation mistakes that we being non korean viewers knowing nothing about the difference can also understand a bit.

@ruizaio you said you read orogonaoriginal script posted on DC , anyway we can also get hold of it to know more about the original drama planned and can compare how it deviated (and need to know whats DC sorry for stupid question but couldn't think anyone better to ask)

@notintoyou

thanks frnd for article post.. I feel so much relieved that I am not the only one feeling bad and worred for the gal HaeSoo(I am still a fan of WS-HS) but still felt how much support WS needed then HS needed the same being in that panic attack situation (still no blaming the kiss or WS just wanted to give her support at least in words)

 

[Mona Ys]

wow... this is what I called the thread that never sleeps hehehe.... you guys are amazing, I just left for less than 24 hrs and already behind again. 

It's Saturday!!! I'm a bit busy this weekend so I just want to say hi chinugyaaa...! Thank you guys, I enjoy the discussions, and the video/BTS pics.... But but but I'm still waiting for kissing scenes BTS clips.... please PDnim..please.... 

[liddi]

@ruizaio Based on historical Wook, ultimately MLSHR's most important lesson may be to pay full attention in history classes - which is what Soo should have done  But you are right. If they were to stick to history, then perhaps in the end, we see So and Wook make peace with each other after Soo's death, one which ultimately results in marriage alliances and even succession to the throne? In which case, I cannot imagine Soo having a happy life leading to her demise... and perhaps it is the pain of losing her, and particularly her disillusionment with the two men she loved, that finally saw both men bury the hatchet so to speak. In other words, the loss of her life ensured that Wook survived? 

Speaking of which, how does the succession to the throne work in Goryeo? I notice that brothers and even brother in laws can ascend to the throne, even if the deceased king had princes of their own. Or do the usual line of succession stand, and it is only when the king had little power that upon his death, the stronger members of the royal family could claim the throne for themselves? 

Back to translations - can you remember which of Ji Mong's lines were wrongly attributed to So? And yes, 时辰 is 2 hours long, not 1 hour as often mistranslated. Thankfully C-subs do not have the issue of misrepresenting time 

[dhia205]

@hallyus 

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gak langganan one tv jadi cuma streaming (that's why i can live blogging) + download juga..

 

@solelylurking

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ribut-ribut yang mana kah? soalnya kemaren sepertinya situasinya agak hangat gegara ibu RT tetangga sebelah bahas rating 

 

not only BB cream, sneaker also already exist in goryeo time Lol...

 

 

[Gabi Bros]

I love Lee Hi's parts of the song.  

[ruizaio]

@KdramaSwimmer DC refers to DC Inside, a Korean online community that has various forums for different themes. There is one for MLSHR where Korean fans discuss the drama and what not. There is also a general Kdrama one where most MLSHR posts are hate/ridiculing and a minor Kdrama review one that offers more positive reviews or constructive criticism. The MLSHR DC forum is mostly against making references to the leaked synopsis or scripts, whereas the other two often have people posting snippets to compare and contrast. I have explained or translated some before and I will bring them up when I think the timing has passed in the aired episodes where it should have happened.

 

@liddi Actually, the brother-brother succession thing was a long tradition since the Goguryeo-Baekje-Silla days. Only later, when Confucianism settled in the Korean peninsula as the central philosophy did it become the norm for oldest, preferrably queen-born sons to succeed their fathers. Wang Geon specifically gave 10 instructions before dying that included this issue. Generally, you pass the throne onto your oldest son, but if a brother is considered to have virtue, that brother can succeed instead. But who decides who has virtue? The powerful clans! That's why Gwangjong felt it was necessary to get rid of so many of the initial supporters of his father. Also, the family tree was really messed up because of the intermarriage anyway. The ultimate winner in Goryeo's game of thrones is Baek Ah, as he has an affair with one of the daughters of Wook and their illegitimate child is the king through whom most of the line continues.

 

I think it was in the beginning, when WG and JM were observing WS. JM was asking WG if he called WS to the capital to serve the CP or something like that, but the subtitle was more like "Did you call me to Songak..." 

[cyriatan]

Regarding the idea of "visions" to be original Hae Soo memories...

When HS talks with Ji Mong, he mentions memories: airplanes, for example. Memories from his travel. They would be, weirdly, memories from the future...but oh well  He also said he kept seeing things but I think he didn't specify if they were always from the future (unknown in Goryeo things, things happening post 70's, etc.).  JM is pretty shadowy, we can't be sure if he has any better knowledge of Goryeo history than HS for example, maybe he lived 20 years in the future but how many are versed in their own country history being realistic? Supposedly he travelled to the modern era while being a child, so he wouldn't have the anxiety to read history as an adult would. Maybe his knowledge is as superficial but getting to live in the modern era will surely help anyone make a living in the past I think, our common knowledge is just much better (thus explaining his position). It's been hinted he's not as clueless, though.

If the visions would indeed be memories, it will bring the trouble regarding original Hae Soo life, since she was supposed to be very different and probably wouldn't get to be together neither with Wook or Wang So so where do this memories come from? Maybe she just witnessed those, none of the memories have been intimate yet. 

I am personally skeptic about the writer/production team attention to so many details/symbols (even if many I've read had been very interesting), I don't know, maybe JM just said that because we know he travelled to the future but the writter didn't develop a complex story regarding the time travel since it's not the focus of the drama at all. Maybe if they're or not visions from the future may not be relevant for the drama in the end since their purpose is the conflict at the Goryeo time between HS-WS and nothing more. At the same time LJK said the end would be happy so maybe the time-travel dynamics are more important to explain some "happy" (recognizing each other) possible modern-times ending?

[ruizaio]

@cyriatan When did LJG say that it would be happy in the end? Most Korean fans expect it to be sad because the director said it is sadder than the C-version, although it's not clear if he meant that the ending is sad or the journey is sad. I would very much prefer a happy ending, although I don't see how that would be possible. I didn't like the reincarnation in modern time ending of Rooftop Prince. 

[iloveknovela]

5 hours ago, briseis said:

“What if I can change it? I can prevent accidents from happening. I can turn bad into good or… I could help change King Gwangjong’s future. I can do it. I won’t ignore it. I won’t let anyone become unhappy. ”

HAE SO IS PLAYING GOD NOW! She wants to change history she knows basically nothing about; she is talking about everyone as if they were mere human chess pieces she could control and manipulate according to her will; and selfishly change their life just because of a couple of sentences she vaguely remembers from her history lesson at high school, BUT SHE DOESN’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, NEITHER DOES SHE HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE GWANGJONG’S ACTIONS, at least not without knowing the truth behind them.

 

“I’m most scared of myself. Not you, Your Highness.”  - Hae Soo (EP04)

In the end, Hae Soo was right - she just might be the scariest person out there because the most dangerous people are those who are guided by half-truths and in their ignorance act on them. Because in her desperation to prevent all the terrible things she thinks will happen, she causes something much worse.

 

“If you leave like this the 10th Prince loses his chance to apologize. You will all grow apart. You’re brothers, right?” - Hae Soo (EP07)

“Beware of Prince So. Beware of Prince So. Avoid him. Do not get in his way. If you do you will all die.” - Hae Soo (EP09)

Ironically, it’s Hae Soo who makes the brothers grow apart in the end. She sows the seeds of doubt in Wook’s mind, SETTTING UP ONE BROTHER AGAINST ANOTHER WITH IT AND INITIATING THE STRIFE OF THE PRINCES, VIRTUALLY STARTING A WAR WITH HER ACTIONS - just because of some visions she doesn’t even know whether they are true or not, and hazy memory of her history lessons. She is basically accusing an innocent man of crimes he hasn’t committed. Hasn’t she ever heard about presumption of innocence?! It’s as if she has completely forgotten he is the person who was ready to fight the whole world for her. But fate is a swift richard simmons - as a punishment for betraying and not believing in the man who trusted her so completely and who laid his heart to her feet, and for not realizing she is falling for him, she will lose him in the end.

 

“What about Prince Wook? What happens to him?” - Hae Soo (EP09)

“I was 11 years old. When I first took a life… I was 11 years old.” - Wook (EP03)

She is so ready to see So as the ultimate villain, but HS has actually never seen him kill anyone. She did see Wook kill, though, but strangely she isn’t doubting him or being afraid of him, even though the truth is SHE DOESN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM. She doesn’t know him from history nor does she know anything about HIM because he never told her about his goals and ambitions.

 

He is AS RUTHLESS AND MERCILESS KILLER AS WANG SO IS, maybe even more so because SO DOESN’T HIDE IT under facade of refinement and kindness. Wook’s story about his first kill shows he was exposed to violence and has been killing people since a very early age - and something like that leaves traces; it would twist anyone. That’s the first hint of Wook’s inner darkness.

 

We share the same thought.... and very well said!!!!!

I guess other readers were thinking that we are crucifying HS for her action...  we're not.  She just needs a little spanking to wake her up to look at WS with her heart and not with her failing memory.

HS despite knowing that WS killed many people, she was still clueless about what motivated him to do so.  She's already in Goryeo and yet her knowledge about him is very limited... basically all hearsay.  Sometimes when our knowledge has no concrete basis, it is very to easy to waver.  In Hosea 4:6 in the bible it says:  "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge".  Also, this reminds me of what Solomon said in the book of Proverbs that "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child/youth".  Young ones due to their lack of knowledge makes lots of foolishness/foolish decision in life.  I've been there done that too. 

How WS reacted on HS's sudden change toward him also indicates maturity.  For me the kiss is but to calm her down but since he was in his weakest and needed comfort from her, he did it in a way that he could achieve both.  Hitting two birds in one stone.   BRAVO!!!.... YOU'RE THE MAN!!!!   He could have done it earlier, though.    Other than her silliness, I am sure that HS will fall for WS in the end .... I am confident of that.  WS by heart is a good person.... he was just in pain and broken in spirit...  and it is understandable.  Out of the abundance of ones heart their mouth will speak.  So I completely understand how he felt when his Father finally trusted and felt proud of him.... He was really happy coz it must have been his deepest dreams.  I can see how RELIEVED and PROUD he was also!   Yes, He may be a little rough sometimes but still he is the type whom you can easily fall in love with.  Hello!! Most women finds bad guy image attractive... YH included. LOL 

WS is a very keen observer and quick thinker also.  Growing up in a cruel environment probably trained him to be vigilant, at all times.  Take note when he went to the temple and killed those monk.  He just closed his eyes and concentrate and he already knew danger is coming.  When he saw HS with JM and the CP with the medicinal herbs he immediately senses something could happen and followed her.  Being like that is a gift (an inherent talent) and commonly people like that are bound to succeed.  Being with a man like that is a great blessing knowing that you'll be safe and protected.

WW is a nice guy but only in the surface.  He has this tendency to make you feel miserable also due uncertainty.  I can't imagine him knowing his wife is sick and dying and yet he never told her he loved her (even if it's true or not?).  Yes his action for taking so much care of her may speak about it but what's so big about saying it out loud.  Commonly, we do everything for someone who is dying to give them good memories to take with them in their grave.  His promises to HS were all uncertain too... there is always condition.  If it rains I will ask the King to...... what if it doesn't?  It does rain but HS was given to WS.  What now?  There is no concrete plan or measures in accomplishing his goals that is why it keeps changing and HS had nothing to do but wait.  This is why I don't feel for HS-WW and my heart goes to HS-WS. 

I always see WS as an DEEP THINKER, an intelligent person with incredible wisdom and someone who also cares for the weak, because he fully understand what it's like since he's been there endured it .  Even history tells us so by reading his accomplishment related to the commoner.  Yes he may have became ruthless later on in his later reign but perhaps in those times, it was the best option he had in accomplishing his goals and eliminate the thorns and weeds.  The next generation benefited it so probably he felt relieved after seeking forgiveness for what he's done.

 

 

[ElleSor]

Come on, Monday...move your lazy butt and hurry up!

I can't wait to see what's in store for us.

 

[bingewatcherinsomniac]

29 minutes ago, kdramakrazy said:

 

I'm going to differ with this tumblr post.

It has nothing to do with girl vs boy. Nor does it have to do with how hot the guy is. In real life i would totally be on the hae su's side. But this is a drama. The simple reason is that people are more sympathetic to wang so because he touches our heart. Whether it is the writing or LJK's performance, wang so is the one who we understand.

Hae su's panic was so one tone. Given the confusing timeline, it has been at minimum 2 days since she realised that wang so is the future king yet her response is the same. run, flail, panic, warn wook. I like IU well enough but in critical scenes she falters. Example - I never thought she was seriously conflicted or saddened by falling in love with someone else's husband (when the wife for alive). Same here, i don't see panic but irrational behaviour which is boderline cruel to a person she promised she will not change and he can trust her.

LJK is selling wang so to me like anything. I can understand his pain, his desperation, his growing obsessiveness to hang on to the one person that has shown him care. Everything is not about male vs female, in dramas, it is all about who can make you care for the character. Here wang so has killed people, animals, threatened her, and yes forced kissed her, but people are still saying poor wang so! not because we don't know what is right or wrong but because the actor has completely captivated us and convinced us that "yes, the character cruel but you have to feel for him. I  have left you with no other choice. "

 

I agree with you that it has nothing to do with girl vs boy bandwagon, or anti-feminist sensibility that drove people's support. LOL. Not everything should be seen on that view. However, I think what the tumblr post writer trying to imply is we tend to focus more on his side of pain and support his standing, rather than looking at it on both ways. And yes, it likely because lee joongi's portrayal was so spot on perfect that we could feel it radiating directly across the screen. 

Where in reality that particular moment was painful for BOTH of them. Haesoo's was hurt as well. Regardless how irrational we thought of her reaction, she was obviously broken with the realisation and have not come terms with the issue just yet. Also different people have a different need of time to heal with anything, we can't just used our own experience and compare to her like that. And having him, her very source of distress, pushed himself towards her, when she still not grow past the issue just yet, would completely scare the heck out of her. It understandable at the momentous peak of her tension, she reacts so harshly with a raw and unfiltered emotions. I already try to put more context into her inner turmoil in my previous post, feel free to read for better detail. 

What I try to encourage is it's better to try to consider both of their standing before giving our judgment. That way it will give us a better non bias view into the situation and will be fair to the people involve in it. 

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16 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

@cyriatan When did LJG say that it would be happy in the end? Most Korean fans expect it to be sad because the director said it is sadder than the C-version, although it's not clear if he meant that the ending is sad or the journey is sad. I would very much prefer a happy ending, although I don't see how that would be possible. I didn't like the reincarnation in modern time ending of Rooftop Prince. 

Mee too.....

In rooftop prince....Although finally the girl somebody resembles the prince a lot in term of phisical appearance....still they are like strangers....really 2 different people....

I cannot say that as a happy ending.....

Happy ending means the 2 same persons....doesn't matter it will be soo chooses to stay or WS will jump to the future....just like the ending of FAITH.