[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[kiklaminHo]

moon lovers, I do not know what I watched .I saw ep. 6 in the site that has the rights and came to soompi to write how frustrated I am when Soo remembered that the next king will kill ALL his brothers .....I do not like the idea of Jung Ki killing his brothers....but if history says it we have to see it happen..... as if that were not enough I read from the comments the existence of a different edited episode.

I can not see why they have two different edited episodes.

At the end, I feel sorry for JK and KHN , they work so hard and for me even IU is not so horrible as some K-viewers say.

 

[persimmon18]

Hello, I've been reading the discussion and thought I'd join. Like many people I'm a SoSoo shipper (first time watching a drama with LJK, boy have I've been missing out). I understand how they're building up to the SoSoo romance and I love and hate it at the same time. It's more normal, to get to know the other person and fall for them, unlike with Wook, who noticed a "change" in HS and suddenly likes her. But I think So is feeling something for HS, it shows it his eyes. You can tell he is surprised with his own reactions to HS, but he has never truly known love. His mother and father have never shown him love, his brothers treated him like a plague, and his other family a hostage.

Is it just me. Or is WS wearing the clothes we see on him when HS takes his mask off? In ep 7 preview, he's wearing the red robe under the black robe when he grabs her wrist. That's probably just wishful thinking.

[skxz]

@xiao_baiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Hehehe I'm glad you're hyped again  Yea that figure does resemble Wook more than anyone else but I'm in so much denial RN I just can't accept it. With this dramas constant twists and turns and legit throwing the unexpected at you at the most unexpected time anything could happen.

Yes that emoji scene was just so cute I can't OMG!!! It was his reply to her emoji like how people text in the modern day I just cannot deal with the adorableness of this couple ughhhhhh.

No worries 친구! Thanks for your response \^ㅁ^/

[iamlatika]

excited for this one to happen... i do like Wook-Su OTP but my heart beats for Soo-Su... their romance will start now that she is living in the palace... it will be SO's time to make his move..

[akinahana89]

Ah... if anyone happens to find the SBS version and the subs for it, can they please message me? I think the version I have is from DramaFever and I'd really like to have the whole collection of scenes. (I even downloaded the director's cut episodes even though they were over 7gb each. lol) Thanks in advance!

I'll be getting off work soon... can't wait to watch ep 6!

[mochimaniac]

first, why are there two versions of an episode? confuse me much.  and HS, this 21st century girl has the golden touch on the royal clan -that even THEEE  mighty king has a soft spot for her, but he IS King so he has a whole nation on his back..so he has to do what he has to do so people listen to him.  third, i really honestly truly have  no qualms about any of the casts acting skills.  imo, theyre doing a pretty fine job...hey no ones stiff or bland like a fish on a slab (...okay maaaybe one. 3rd prince hehe).  BTW,  i must say, the OST for this drama is .  Like, I am really diggin' all of the music, fo'real.  I must buy!

Ohhh and You'd figure  HS would figure out WS the next King...he's (always) the only one wearing black out of all the princes.  #BlackSheep. big tell tale i'd say lol

P.S. really love the look Wang So gives her when he's angry & concerned with her.  #HesGotTheLookAgain.  

Edited September 13, 2016 by mochimaniac
after thought

[mimi]

3 hours ago, Cindy Ngo said:

Loved today's episode with all the Prince's rallying around Hae Soo! 

Sidenote: does anyone know the name of the song that was playing at Myung Hee's funeral, it was so beautiful and sad. 

Yes the music is beautiful    But having all he princes rallying  for HS  is almost comical  but not really funny  and for me it spoils the genre of the drama lol 

[WeunXK]

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[violet90]

actually i think HS as in character is really awesome.. she not just a typical female lead.. she have guts and instinct to survive even if she in a different world that she live.. her love to all the prince is genuine that why they all love her even if they just know her...  by being her friend they all know how actually being somebody real friend without fear and hidden agenda.. 

when HS enter the palace she did stop and bow to WS.. here we can see that she acknowledge WS as her friend and somebody that she show respect to.. she knew that WS is harmless and a good person you can see when she riding with WS she completely trust him and when she got down she actually reach out for him.. when she want to go to the carriage she DID watch WS and smile because she UNDERSTAND him.. 

its a small thing that exchange between them that actually make them my OTP.. its not a open concern but subtle yet convincing between them.. their attraction is primal and sensual because they understand each other and when they together they just an open book.. its not your typical OTP their foundation of relationship is really strong and to fall in love later just show how much they will love each other..

 

[Gabi Bros]

Yeah! My post is cute! 

[Zelda]

On 12 september 2016 at 9:56 AM, Neng Erlina said:

[...]

Btw, anyone could give the link where I could read about the reign of the 4th Prince? I read it on wiki, but I did not find about the fact that he killed his siblings. In one of the interview, I think it was for Cosmo the one who played 3rd Prince said that he got imprisoned for his doing.

On 12 september 2016 at 11:39 AM, hiluna said:

I have also been trying to find out where it says that he killed his brothers.  The only example of family killing that I read of was his nephews, son of Mo and son of Yo for revolts. So does that mean HS is really bad at history or that she ends up changing history thereby saving the princes?

20 hours ago, ferily said:

[...]

One thing I noticed though, while reading this thread, is that apparently Wang Soo is going to kill all of his brothers to get the throne...? Is this true? ;-; I currently love WS (and can't wait for the romance to bloom) but I would be kinda disappointed with him killing his brothers for the throne.. Do you guys think the writers would go for that plot? I was thinking that Wang Yo would be the one to kill the brothers since he's the one that desires the throne..? [...]

Hello to everyone in this thread.

From what I have found in English sources, both Wang Yo and Wang So were accused of plotting against Wang Mu by one of Wang Mu's in-laws, named Wang Kyu. However, said Wang Kyu was plotting treason against Wang Mu himself.

One of the difficulties in learning about the exact details of what happened during this period is that the earliest surviving history of Goryeo, the Goryeosa, is a subjective one written during the Joseon period that painted both Wang Yo and Wang So in a good light according to Confucian ideals and values.

The English resources I've found online and from my local library tend to focus not on Wang So's deeds before coming to the throne, but on measures that he took after becoming king in order to solidify the royal family's position, things like a Slave Review Act and the civil service examination -Fun fact: Wang So is the one who first instituted the “yangban”.-, but which included bloody purges, imprisonments and exiles. However, I have not found a source that clearly states whether this included his brothers. Only 8th prince Wook has a confirmed death date during So's reign. I do not know what the cause of his death is. However, he is the father of the sixth king of Goryeo, Seongjong, who posthumously titled Wook, King Daejong. So, perhaps Wook doesn't die sentenced for treason or some other crime. Just guessing.

By trying to read the tenth prince's Korean Wikipedia page via Google Translate, it looks like his death may have had something to do with a coup...? Google Translate is never a good idea, so I'm not at all sure, but it is true that Wang Eun dies in the same year as Wang Mu, at least.

Here is the list of known death dates for the princes:

02 Mu: 945, reigned 943-945
03 Yo: 949, reigned 945-949
04 So: 975, reigned 949-975
08 Wook: 969
09 Won: Unknown
10 Eun: 945
13 Wook/Baek Ah: 996
14 Jung: Unknown

So, Mu and Yo supposedly died of illness, and Eun dies in the same year as Mu, 945AD -If anyone can read Korean and would be willing to tell us the details of his Wikipedia article, I would be very much obliged-. And, Won and Jung's deaths can be determined according to the writer's wishes.

 

Though these only shed a bit of light on the struggle between the princes, here are some English language history links about Goryeo during Wang So's lifetime:

Topics In Korean History Podcast - "VI II – Goryeo – “Breaking Old Bones" -See here for the full list of podcasts, I would recommend starting with podcast "VI I" or even earlier if you have little familiarity with the Three Kingdoms-to-Goryeo time period. Otherwise, some of the names and terms might be confusing.

A History of Korea: From "Land of the Morning Calm" to States in Conflict

New World Encyclopedia - Gwangjong of Goryeo

Korea in the Eye of the Tiger - Ch 4 - Koryo and the Khitan; "Setting a Course for the Future" and "A Reformed Government"

Also, if you want to search for more information on Goryeo during Wang So's lifetime, it helps to search for "Kwangjong". For example, quite a few of the history books that you can read via Google books use that romanization instead of "Gwangjong".

EDIT: Of course, this drama is fiction, so who knows what will be the causes of everyone's deaths. I'm wishing along with all of you for things to not be too bad for our antihero!

EDIT2: A follow-up to this post was made on page 415.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Zelda

[loveandpeace09]

No matter how much I try not to, I still feel the whole concept of king Taejo marrying Hae Soo is so sick....and totally weird with the age difference....I understand its a historical drama...but did stuff like that actually happen in real life??

[theseasasleep]

I really enjoyed this episode but there was this persistent drum beat in my head throughout, "Where's WS? More WS, more!" It can't be helped. I echo many of my fellow threadmates when I say I'm ready to move onto the main otp event now and for the love line to start in earnest. However much time they give to the otp, I know LJK will make me feel it and believe it.   Well, as I said, it was an enjoyable episode and I liked everything we got.

This episode WS reveals two things - he is definitely not in love with HS yet and for all his impulsiveness, he has a pragmatic streak. He truly has no one in his corner except those he chooses to support and even then, they may not reciprocate that support in kind. That's why I like when he does decide to act because he commits all the way.  I guess if you have that type of personality you better understand what you're getting into before you get into it. When WS thinks it is just an arranged marriage, he questions interfering but once he hears the particulars... perhaps it is just me but I compare it to his Kang clan situation and wonder if he does the same? Politics demanded a son be sent for adoption to the Kang clan, just like politics demands HS be given in marriage to someone who will increase/pacify the political power of all the parties involved. And just like in his situation, it is a farce - not a marriage but a sale, not an adoption but a hostage taking - both situations complete with the horrors and dangers of being given into the keeping of people who don't give a damn whether you live or die in the aftermath of all the politicking. I mean, the King doesn't even know who he is marrying and is so blase about the matter even HS's defiance doesn't stoke his ire. Plus, he just as carelessly decides to make her a palace maid as he does to make her a slave, which tells you something about how her life post-nuptials would have been. Even if WS wants to tell himself or HS that he doesn't care, she keeps striking chords with him again and again. 

The confrontation between the King and Wook and WS is so telling. Firstly, the King makes a statement like "I'm the King, I don't have to justify (myself/my actions)!" and that plucks a string in both men that will be felt until the very end of the drama. For the same reasons, both men will eventually pursue the throne to have that kind of power over their fates and others. Someone upthread already mentioned how the (failed) approaches of WS and Wook in that scene were different. Wook met the King on his knees and I'm not disparaging him for that because Kings tend to be egotistical bastards and prostration has a good chance of working! But he met him on his knees and with gentle pleading designed not to inflame the King because of his family history. His family aligned themselves with a powerfully clan but based off of the behavior of his family from him to his sister and mother, they still had to come back quietly. With grace and a fair touch of humility, the name of the game being not to draw undue attention. Yes, the mother has deeper ambitions as does the daughter, who can barely maintain the facade, but everyone in that family seems well-versed in the art of sweet-talk for the efforts of survival and ambition. Still, even with all the sweet-talk in the world, appearing before the King like that for such a reason is beyond risky and an indication of his desperation.

A desperation shared by WS who also appeared unexpectedly. WS does not kneel; why? Because just like Wook, he is informed by his life experiences and those experiences tell him that kneeling or pleading, even in the abstract, won't get him what he wants (see: his mother). So, WS does what he does best - he tries to meet strength with strength while keeping in mind this is the King. He tries to appeal to the side of the King that might like to one up a powerful clan without having to sacrifice any power, which is clever. This scene also shows how clumsy both men are when it comes to operating in deep waters like this because the King, who is more than okay with being swayed out of the marriage, swiftly pokes holes in their approaches. HS saves herself - which is awesome - as she continuously counseled herself to do all day. Interestingly enough, she took WS's approach and met strength with strength (bravely gouging herself in front of the King to demonstrate her determination) while also cleverly playing on existing court dynamics, in this case the standards of acceptable beauty.

[sharreb]

Judging from the previews can i hazard that WS's scenes will be 3 times more than his appearance in ep 6?? Hopefully.. dont dupe me again... pls...

10 hours to go.

yay

\^0^/

or should i say

\^人_口^人/

i wonder if we will get another emoticon Wang So style?

[Table122000]

2 hours ago, luffypyon said:

 I hope we will get the sub for sbs version too. Just like what @IAmSoulReader said, it would be so much better that we will get a complete version with all scene + subs too.  Here the other scenes  in SBS version which aren't present in Dramafever version :

1. Haesoo and Baek-ah scene after Myunghee's funeral

 

2. Wang So and Wang Yo scene

 

3. Wang So and Baek-ah scene

 

4. King Taejo and Queen Yo scene

 

5. Wang So and Ji Mong scene

 

 

 

Thanks for letting us know all of the SBS Korea scenes that were not in the International version. I really hope that someone can give us english translations of these scenes so non Korean speakers can enjoy these scenes as well. I think that they are important, especially since so many of them relate to So's story arc. Are there video clips of these scenes available online? 

Edited September 13, 2016 by LyraYoo

[AuroraSky]

14 minutes ago, persimmon18 said:

Like many people I'm a SoSoo shipper (first time watching a drama with LJK, boy have I've been missing out). I understand how they're building up to the SoSoo romance and I love and hate it at the same time. It's more normal, to get to know the other person and fall for them, unlike with Wook, who noticed a "change" in HS and suddenly likes her. But I think So is feeling something for HS, it shows it his eyes. You can tell he is surprised with his own reactions to HS, but he has never truly known love.

 

I actually like the build-up of tension as a general matter.   The build-up and anticipation make it so much better when the OTP actually gets together.  I actually hate formulaic k-dramas that repeat trope after trope just because it is what the audience expects to see. Please give us audience some credit for artistic discernment and intelligence.  I just think if the editing wasn't so disconnected and choppy we could see the build-up in much more subtle but satisfying ways.  This is also where two (as opposed to just one) gifted actors could really bring out the building tension.

 

Oh and about LJK, girl, have you been missing out.  

 

 

[Gabi Bros]

Top 5 Male And Female Stars People Want To Spend Chuseok With

http://www.soompi.com/2016/09/12/top-5-male-female-stars-people-want-spend-chuseok/

The survey happens every year. “Which star do you want to spend Chuseok with?” The Seoul Arts College sent a survey to 722 students (451 female, 271 male) studying everything from acting and modeling to music and design, asking them this very question.

Check out the results for the top 5 stars students want to spend Chuseok with below.

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* IU and Joong Gi are in place number 3 * 

3. IU (43/271)

3. Lee Joon Gi (67/451)

 

 

[ahriev]

It's Tuesday morning and I open Soompi Forum to share my though about last night ep and I just to shock that we have 2 version for this ep (SBS-longer one- and the sub one, I watched the sub one)

1 hour ago, Yippeuni said:

I think HS not yet reach that thought yet....In last night episode after she passed out and met the princes on her way to lady SG place, she was look at each princes and guessing which one is the next gwajoong that appear in her dream before, and when her eyes land at Wook she suddenly thought something and said "Sseolma.." .... in my translation of the scene I think she is guessing Wook is the next gwajoong because he is seems to be one that fit all the requirement to become a king in her eyes. 

And I didn't find any scene yet that HS feel bad about So become a king. 

In her dream we can see King Taejo died, he drowning because someone poisoned him (?) but the question of mine is why HS already ruled out Mo as the crown prince.....why she is guessing which one will be the king after Taejo died while at that time she already know that Mo is exist and he is the crown prince at that moment. Or she also see Mo died and I missed that?? 

 

16 minutes ago, luffypyon said:

 

That scene is actually interpreted differently in both sbs release version and dramafever version.

What you said before is in the dramafever version that Haesoo guessed Wook could be the next Gwangjong. But in SBS version, after Haesoo looked at Wang Wook, she moved her eyes to Wang So.

I think the different interpretation is because the different version that we all show. One leading us to Wook 8th and the other leading us to So 4th.

 

About Soo sudden remember about history, if I not mistake she remember Gwangjong (So 4th wanna be) as the 4th king. Either she remember that 2nd (Mo CP)and 3rd king (Yo 3rd) will be vary short period or she thiks that they killed by 4th king (the 4th king will kill other sibling). Or maybe -other option- So didn't realize that Mo CP is exist (I recall my memory about Mo and Soo but , CMIIW, I can't remember Soo meets Mo CP or ChaeRyung tells her about Mo CP. So maybe she didn't know about Mo CP.

1 hour ago, gendhisputih said:

Heloo, anyong... This is newbi here.. I came to this forum since i fallin love with the drama. Last night i watched the 6 episode, but there were no missing scene like chingu said up there.. Or may be because of the area? I still watched the scene of KHN crying, in the begining of the drama. I watch from tv cable S-one. Btw, i still upsad because of the limit WS and HS scene last night... Huhuhu... hopefully tonight there will be more their scene.. 

Hi, nice to get you joining. Check the dramabeans (they recap the SBS version) and you will notice the difference.

I haven't watch the SBS version (I will search soon), so from the point of view that see the sub ver and read dramabeans I get this difference:

- Longer coversation between Eun 10th and Soo (Eun 10th got too much jokes until Soo tells him to stop)

- Longer escape Soo (every prince get their own screen time), even Won 9th

- Longer Lady Oh time in Damiwon (I remember Queen Something request tea and she order maid to prepare papermint tea)

- Conversation between princes when they wait for Wook 8th and So 4th in front of the palace (Eun 10th said he already asked her mother but his grandfather saw that and his grandfather angry with him because of that) 

 

And finally my though about last night:

- I realize this drama just has 20 ep so everything will be so packed and fast, but I want the mourning longer and (because I didn't get Soo and BaekAh 13th scene, but if i get that) I still need more time to adjust changes in BaekAh 13th with Soo relationship and Soo with Wook 8th relationship. I realize there is time gap between Lady Hae death and the arrange marriage (the tomb already full with grass)

- The King is still care Lady Oh much, when JiMong said that Queen Something, Wook's mother and Eun's mother want to take Soo as her maid he didn't grant that. But after JiMong said that Lady Oh noticed her and want Soo to work in Damiwon, he grant that directly

- My worry from the beginning is the director cut will ruin the entire flow and at first I didn't concern that (we know that last week ep from SBS and the sub version is different in BGM only) but after this week I think I have to worry that. It's so weird that one drama will have two version and (I don't want to said that but it's the truth) the version that airing in SKorea is longer (and better) than the one that airing with sub. As this drama international fans, I just feel so betrayed...

I love MLSCR, and I just want we all get the better version (no matter what method of channel we used to watch this drama). I know it will be very hard for the editing team and the subtitle team(, but at least the Eng version should distribute to every channel first). And to SBS wouldn't it nice to give explanation to all of us what really happen now, so we know the situation better. Either the is really two version and that will always happen until the end of this drama or will we get the same version in SKorea but in future ep.

 

Just hoping for the best. Hwaiting

[kinginthenorths]

39 minutes ago, MadraRua said:

So wait.. there's two versions?? The one I watched subbed had this scene in it

 

So that means I watched the SBS version then right? 

SMH

I wish they'd just decide on one version - with editing done properly. 

 

 

How did you manage to watch this version with subs? I thought the SBS version had no subs out yet?

[sharreb]

30 minutes ago, Zelda said:

Here is the list of known death dates for the princes:

02 Mu: 945, reigned 943-945
03 Yo: 949, reigned 945-949
04 So: 975, reigned 949-975
08 Wook: 969
09 Won: Unknown
10 Eun: 945
13 Wook/Baek Ah: 996
14 Jung: Unknown

So, Mu and Yo supposedly died of illness, and Eun dies in the same year as Mu, 945AD -If anyone can read Korean and would be willing to tell us the details of his Wikipedia article, I would be very much obliged-. And, Won and Jung's deaths can be determined according to the writer's wishes.

 

Sorry to cut your post @Zelda  - thankyou for this very concise history.

Just to add (from wiki on Goryeo dynasty)

1. Taejo 918–943             (current king in ML)
2. Hyejong 943–945         (current crown prince WM)
3. Jeongjong 945–949     (3rd prince WY)
4. Gwangjong 949–975    (4th prince WS)

I thk it cant be avoided that when someone overthrows the throne, there will be deaths whether it is premeditated or collateral. I dont rem the novel's version clearly but i thk one or more of the princes who are not the king's ally were sent into exile. So not all would be killed. I hope Baek Ah who has no ambition to be king will get his wish to be free. And he also has this loveline with Seohyun's character- but not sure if it will end well for them. If they follow the c novel version one of the prince (i cant rem who??) will marry ruoxi to save her and bring her away from the palace.But i hope the Korean version wont follow that. Every episode begins with the reminder "This production has taken a creative license to history" so hopefully it wont follow too closely to history- esp the ending parts.