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Been working at my company for ~3 years...unfortunately the economy is so bad. My industry is hurting. I can see the cliff happening but there's no way to prevent it. I estimate a lot of us will lose our jobs. It's just a matter of when. I tend to over stress about things, and I hope I'm just being a bit paranoid. Now...I have to figure out how to survive. It's been nice. Right now, I'm at a better position career wise than I have been when i first got this job. I realise the company isn't there to just pay me, it has to make a profit. I just hope...there is something in the horizon. 

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It's amazing how a well written thank-you note after an interview speeds up the decision process. They told me decisions would be communicated in 2 weeks, here I am with a offer package within 48 hours. And my suits being on point at the interviews probably sped up the process. 

 

TIME FOR SOME MOETTTTTT. LEVERAGED BUYOUTS HERE I COME. 

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It's amazing how a well written thank-you note after an interview speeds up the decision process. They told me decisions would be communicated in 2 weeks, here I am with a offer package within 48 hours. And my suits being on point at the interviews probably sped up the process. 

 

TIME FOR SOME MOETTTTTT. LEVERAGED BUYOUTS HERE I COME. 

Did you write it and mail it, or Email it?

My friend refuses to write thank you notes after interviews (he believes it should have nothing to do with "who is most qualified" for the job).  The career counselors at his college said his lack of etiquette there was why he couldn't find a job.  He got rejected by every company in Canada he interviewed at.  

But then got hired by a super prestigious American one for way more money (and he never sent them a thank you).  Weird how things work out.

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It's amazing how a well written thank-you note after an interview speeds up the decision process. They told me decisions would be communicated in 2 weeks, here I am with a offer package within 48 hours. And my suits being on point at the interviews probably sped up the process. 

 

TIME FOR SOME MOETTTTTT. LEVERAGED BUYOUTS HERE I COME. 

Did you write it and mail it, or Email it?

My friend refuses to write thank you notes after interviews (he believes it should have nothing to do with "who is most qualified" for the job).  The career counselors at his college said his lack of etiquette there was why he couldn't find a job.  He got rejected by every company in Canada he interviewed at.  

But then got hired by a super prestigious American one for way more money (and he never sent them a thank you).  Weird how things work out.

Email, time is of the essence. It really is funny how things work out**. Sometimes it does come down to who shows more effort if you have two candidates with equal qualifications.  

 

 

**I interviewed with a global mega cap and thought it'd be the job of my dreams, but was rejected. Then this posting comes up that's an even better fit for what I want to do, doesn't restrict me to one specific (and very volatile) industry, and beats my other offers out of the water in terms of growth potential and performance. 

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It's amazing how a well written thank-you note after an interview speeds up the decision process. They told me decisions would be communicated in 2 weeks, here I am with a offer package within 48 hours. And my suits being on point at the interviews probably sped up the process. 

 

TIME FOR SOME MOETTTTTT. LEVERAGED BUYOUTS HERE I COME. 

Did you write it and mail it, or Email it?

My friend refuses to write thank you notes after interviews (he believes it should have nothing to do with "who is most qualified" for the job).  The career counselors at his college said his lack of etiquette there was why he couldn't find a job.  He got rejected by every company in Canada he interviewed at.  

But then got hired by a super prestigious American one for way more money (and he never sent them a thank you).  Weird how things work out.

Email, time is of the essence. It really is funny how things work out**. Sometimes it does come down to who shows more effort if you have two candidates with equal qualifications.  

 

 

**I interviewed with a global mega cap and thought it'd be the job of my dreams, but was rejected. Then this posting comes up that's an even better fit for what I want to do, doesn't restrict me to one specific (and very volatile) industry, and beats my other offers out of the water in terms of growth potential and performance. 

Once you got a skillset, things will begin to come your way. 

I spent a number of years working overseas in development engineering but also making sure that I developed a vast array of other skills that my colleagues didn't really think about. Reason being that I knew companies in my home country tended to favour very broad skill based individuals, especially in my rather niche field. So when time came round, I leveraged some contacts I made and got myself a job back in my home country. It matched a lot of the skills I had self developed, pay was about 25% higher even accounting for conversion. Although that job ended up in redundancy when corporate closed the division, the 6 months there gave me another bunch of useful skills so that with some careful planning and a lucky break, I managed to get myself into my current job with only a week break, which I used to finalise my move. Although my current job pays slightly less than my previous job, I get shares in the company every year which I can use to prop up my pay. I'd say in about two and half more years time, I'll have built on this current job to be prepared to target higher level managerial positions. The progression is a bit slower than if I had gone into finance instead, but I far prefer engineering over finance.

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So much wisdom from @ayahuasca. Yeah I'm going to be working on developing a more comprehensive skill set, I was talking to my new bosses about giving me opportunities to work with the legal partners on top of the finance stuff I'm responsible for. What makes this job more attractive to me is that one team works the entire process from sales to due diligence to underwriting/execution, and I was told I'd have a chance to develop selling skills/be more involved in pitching deals. I'm genuinely excited for my 80 hour work weeks, even though I'll just be doing bitchwork for associates 40 of those hours.

 

I agree that when you have a skill set things will come your way, but I'm in a city with lots of unemployed and soon to be unemployed new grads and seasoned professionals alike. So networking can really make a difference when times aren't great. There are a lot of companies here with 70-160 bn market cap that are starting to do a second round of layoffs within 6 months. I'm almost certain that one of the positions I got an offer for recently is going to be part of that cut, there's no need for oilsands finance roles when oilsands projects are being halted altogether. 

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It's amazing how a well written thank-you note after an interview speeds up the decision process. They told me decisions would be communicated in 2 weeks, here I am with a offer package within 48 hours. And my suits being on point at the interviews probably sped up the process. 

 

TIME FOR SOME MOETTTTTT. LEVERAGED BUYOUTS HERE I COME. 

Did you write it and mail it, or Email it?

My friend refuses to write thank you notes after interviews (he believes it should have nothing to do with "who is most qualified" for the job).  The career counselors at his college said his lack of etiquette there was why he couldn't find a job.  He got rejected by every company in Canada he interviewed at.  

But then got hired by a super prestigious American one for way more money (and he never sent them a thank you).  Weird how things work out.

Email, time is of the essence. It really is funny how things work out**. Sometimes it does come down to who shows more effort if you have two candidates with equal qualifications.  

 

 

**I interviewed with a global mega cap and thought it'd be the job of my dreams, but was rejected. Then this posting comes up that's an even better fit for what I want to do, doesn't restrict me to one specific (and very volatile) industry, and beats my other offers out of the water in terms of growth potential and performance. 

Does your school have connections to big financial firms?  I was always told in Canada those firms only recruited out of UofT and a couple students out of UWO (the top ranked business schools in Canada).   With Sauder and Schulich being distance 3rd and 4ths, then everyone else.  

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With all the talk of finance, one should always bear in mind that while you'll be able to make quite a bit on your salary you'll rarely be left with any time to use it.

my sister is now at director level in a large investment bank and manages three teams on three continents. Sounds awesome yes? Her work hours are horrendous. 12hr days are normal but also has to deal with escalations which could happen at 2am. If it's not dealt with there could be multibillion dollar trades that get back logged or not processed at all. 

We went on a 13 day cruise with our brother up the coast of Norway one year. By the end of the 3rd day her BlackBerry had 1800 emails for her to look over. 

Don't think I could ever be willing to give up that much of my life no matter how much I get paid

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With all the talk of finance, one should always bear in mind that while you'll be able to make quite a bit on your salary you'll rarely be left with any time to use it.

Don't think I could ever be willing to give up that much of my life no matter how much I get paid

Hmm to each their own, I suppose. There's definitely different roles in finance, but I still think that with any lucrative, if you're happy doing what you do and you believe in the company/firm you're at, the 10-12 hour days fly by and you really feel like there's not enough time to accomplish things. You just gotta find that sweet spot where you enjoy your job, and the pay is sufficient. I know plenty of software developers/engineers, project managers,, finance managers and auditors (internal, external, tax) who really enjoy what they do (at Big4, Google, Intuit, Apple, etc.) and they are compensated well, yet do put in a lot of hours. Will they quit? nah, most likely not since they've already invested so much into it and are actually planning a lot of vacations lately. Rarely do they tell me that they dislike their job or need to get away from it. Other than talk shop, for the most part they do say "ehh sorry I gotta get on this conference call at 8pm" and that's it.

Now if only San Diego tech companies could provide free food like in Silicon Valley... A girl can dream, right? ;)

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I want to be your sister @ayahuasca, her job sounds awesome. If I decide to stick with finance long term, and not do law school (original plan was a couple years of banking then study corporate law). How old was she when she got to her current position? 

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I want to be your sister @ayahuasca, her job sounds awesome. If I decide to stick with finance long term, and not do law school (original plan was a couple years of banking then study corporate law). How old was she when she got to her current position? 

she got promoted mmm last year I think. So early 30s. Oh I forgot to mention she's actually in IT. She's basically head of back office support and infrastructure for the APAC region.

With all the talk of finance, one should always bear in mind that while you'll be able to make quite a bit on your salary you'll rarely be left with any time to use it.

Don't think I could ever be willing to give up that much of my life no matter how much I get paid

Hmm to each their own, I suppose. There's definitely different roles in finance, but I still think that with any lucrative, if you're happy doing what you do and you believe in the company/firm you're at, the 10-12 hour days fly by and you really feel like there's not enough time to accomplish things. You just gotta find that sweet spot where you enjoy your job, and the pay is sufficient. I know plenty of software developers/engineers, project managers,, finance managers and auditors (internal, external, tax) who really enjoy what they do (at Big4, Google, Intuit, Apple, etc.) and they are compensated well, yet do put in a lot of hours. Will they quit? nah, most likely not since they've already invested so much into it and are actually planning a lot of vacations lately. Rarely do they tell me that they dislike their job or need to get away from it. Other than talk shop, for the most part they do say "ehh sorry I gotta get on this conference call at 8pm" and that's it.

Now if only San Diego tech companies could provide free food like in Silicon Valley... A girl can dream, right? ;)

my siblings and I tend to be pragmatists, especially me and my sister. If there's room to grow, the work is relatively challenging and there are promotions possible we wouldn't mind sitting in a job for a bit. However, as soon as any of those factors slip or a better offer comes in then bam we're outta there. I think we've kinda found a relatively sweet spot that suits our nature for the time being

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BLEGH @ this quoting method.

 she got promoted mmm last year I think. So early 30s. Oh I forgot to mention she's actually in IT. She's basically head of back office support and infrastructure for the APAC region.

my siblings and I tend to be pragmatists, especially me and my sister. If there's room to grow, the work is relatively challenging and there are promotions possible we wouldn't mind sitting in a job for a bit. However, as soon as any of those factors slip or a better offer comes in then bam we're outta there. I think we've kinda found a relatively sweet spot that suits our nature for the time being

Hmm I'm in a similar boat. No doubt my current job works out pretty well for the time being, and at the least I'll finally look like I "stuck around" a company for 2 years lol. #jobhopping at its finest... 

About your sister - phew, good thing I'm studying C#, C++, VB, and now Ruby on Rails - you never know when programming or software development might come in handy, even in finance! As for IT, that's pretty legit because it branches out to systems development (SDLC) and information security. That's what some of our MS-IS classmates are pursuing beyond their IT background. I've heard that to stay ahead of the curve, it's always best to have multiple skillsets. I think that's why some of my friends studied Mechanical or Electrical Engineering (or even Physics!) and double majored with Accounting/Business/Economics/Finance/etc. to are now in project management, consulting, solutions architect, etc. That's actually what a bunch of our VPs did at my company, lol.

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Hmm I'm in a similar boat. No doubt my current job works out pretty well for the time being, and at the least I'll finally look like I "stuck around" a company for 2 years lol. #jobhopping at its finest... 

About your sister - phew, good thing I'm studying C#, C++, VB, and now Ruby on Rails - you never know when programming or software development might come in handy, even in finance! As for IT, that's pretty legit because it branches out to systems development (SDLC) and information security. That's what some of our MS-IS classmates are pursuing beyond their IT background. I've heard that to stay ahead of the curve, it's always best to have multiple skillsets. I think that's why some of my friends studied Mechanical or Electrical Engineering (or even Physics!) and double majored with Accounting/Business/Economics/Finance/etc. to are now in project management, consulting, solutions architect, etc. That's actually what a bunch of our VPs did at my company, lol.

I did a bachelor's and a master's both in physics but rather than go down the more theory heavy path I went into a more practical engineering oriented career. It was a lot of fun smashing up things for work. I'm into my 3rd job in 10years. My 4th in 15. No idea how long I'll be here but I'm in a much better position to expand my horizons compared to my more specialist colleagues many of whom are in a very niche stream of physics. 

 

My advice is beware being a specialist. 

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Interviews for my current job was a science and math test but its necessary for health sciences and medical careers. People gotta know their stuff or people die. A month after getting hired I was told I only got the job because I would get paid less than the other candidates all who were way older than me. =/

I feel real guilty these days as I recently got a colleague fired. I caught him out on something when reviewing his work. I raised concern of his practice to another colleague and later the board fired him. Stuffs up too much and expenses added up above his salary.

My advice is always keep learning and be good at what you do as mistakes have consequences.

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My background check cleared!!!! I was so nervous. Maybe because I've been detained in a drunk tank more than once. But that's not a crime! And doesn't show up! 

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I went back to work in a different department at the same company that I worked before. My colleagues from the other departments are not friendly to me anymore... Hmm... Real world is like this huh... 

It happens. People can suck. At least now you know who not to socialise with, it's really quite helpful that they help you weed them out

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