[Drama 2022] Reborn Rich / 재벌집 막내아들

[Madmolise]

2 hours ago, Jean Chua said:

I But we digress. The point I was trying to make was that the writer did try to provide an explanation of why HW didn’t remember something so important and critical in shaping his career in SY while he was in DJ’s body - an explanation I felt was very plausible given how traumatic the situation was and how a human’s memory often tries to protect the owner (we see that kind of storyline in loads of drama actually). The short answer I gave was an alternative option for viewers who can’t accept the long answer  

I could get the trauma and denial but it's beyond my comprehension, how HW was able to record the conversation (given his state of shock and the "state" of his mobile ). Moreover, I don't get how he knew that it's important to hide that conversation for future use if he forgot the whole incident. It's just plain stupid. Or lazy.

 

What is more, I don't buy the fact that nobody noticed that HW looks exactly like DJ. And no, it's not my job as a viewer to take screenwriter's word for that (because she said so, why bother, nothing happened here, please disperse ). It's her job to convince me that DJ's and HW's real faces were different. And she did a really shitty job here.

[andy78]

21 minutes ago, Madmolise said:

It's her job to convince me that DJ's and HW's real faces were different. And she did a really shitty job here.

i can't react at your post i don't know why but i'm laughing right now after  reading it...

 

23 minutes ago, Madmolise said:

I could get the trauma and denial but it's beyond my comprehension, how HW was able to record the conversation (given his state of shock and the "state" of his mobile ). Moreover, I don't get how he knew that it's

good point

[Shimmery-summer]

1 hour ago, Madmolise said:

I could get the trauma and denial but it's beyond my comprehension, how HW was able to record the conversation (given his state of shock and the "state" of his mobile ). Moreover, I don't get how he knew that it's important to hide that conversation for future use if he forgot the whole incident. It's just plain stupid. Or lazy.

 

What is more, I don't buy the fact that nobody noticed that HW looks exactly like DJ. And no, it's not my job as a viewer to take screenwriter's word for that (because she said so, why bother, nothing happened here, please disperse ). It's her job to convince me that DJ's and HW's real faces were different. And she did a really shitty job here.

Totally everything you said in your comment were the issues. As a viewer its not viewer's job to sit and join dots or go out of way to give explanations to justify things, give us clear reasonings why they have same faces, because it was a dream, or he went to another timeline where he is dojun, and then tell that to viewers.

 

Why actual hyeon wu even before his murder attempt doesn't remember dojun when he keeps usb of his murder. Also he gets into Soonyang where top uni graduates don't get in ( it happens in reality with chaebol corporates) and with a high school degree he gets in, which is something he is bound to remember as how he was inducted there, he can't forget his relationship with secretary who hires him, he is daily teased for being less educated, can he forget how he got in when he is daily indirectly reminded of it at workplace.

 

And then that stupid call recording, like why he was recording it since the start, was that normal in korea in those days for phones to have call recording and people recording calls. Also he was shot in head point blank range, noway recovery is 1 week, he wouldn't be walking aroind before several months.

 

It's pathetic how writers don't make sincere efforts to write scripts and leave it for aggressive fans to defend them.

Edited December 27, 2022 by Shimmery-summer

[andy78]

A friend heard about the drama and asked me if she  should watch it ...my answer was :watch until episode 15 but not the last episode.It will ruin your day .I guess i'm still feeling very disappointed with the ending , but I quite liked the first 15 episodes of reborn rich!

[Madmolise]

25 minutes ago, Shimmery-summer said:

Totally everything you said in your comment were the issues. As a viewer its not viewer's job to sit and join dots or go out of way to give explanations to justify things, give us clear reasonings why they have same faces, because it was a dream, or he went to another timeline where he is dojun, and then tell that to viewers.

 

Why actual hyeon wu even before his murder attempt doesn't remember dojun when he keeps usb of his murder. Also he gets into Soonyang where top uni graduates don't get in ( it happens in reality with chaebol corporates) and with a high school degree he gets in, which is something he is bound to remember as how he was inducted there, he can't forget his relationship with secretary who hires him, he is daily teased for being less educated, can he forget how he got in when he is daily indirectly reminded of it at workplace.

 

And then that stupid call recording, like why he was recording it since the start, was that normal in korea in those days for phones to have call recording and people recording calls. Also he was shot in head point blank range, noway recovery is 1 week, he wouldn't be walking aroind before several months.

 

It's pathetic how writers don't make sincere efforts to write scripts and leave it for aggressive fans to defend them.

I agree with every single point.

 

I just want to add that IMO "The Change" had potential, but the idea needed to be well-thought. Unfortunately it wasn't. And my suspition is that the screenwiter hadn't any idea how to neatly end the story, so she decided to go the easiest way, viewers' opinion be damned.

[andy78]

50 minutes ago, Shimmery-summer said:

Why actual hyeon wu even before his murder attempt doesn't remember dojun when he keeps usb of his murder. Also he gets into Soonyang where top uni graduates don't get in ( it happens in reality with chaebol corporates) and with a high school degree he gets in, which is something he is bound to remember as how he was inducted there, he can't forget his relationship with secretary who hires him, he is daily teased for being less educated, can he forget how he got in when he is daily indirectly reminded of it at workplace.

 

And then that stupid call recording, like why he was recording it since the start, was that normal in korea in those days for phones to have call recording and people recording calls. Also he was shot in head point blank range, noway recovery is 1 week, he wouldn't be walking aroind before several months.

 

It's pathetic how writers don't make sincere efforts to write scripts and leave it for aggressive fans to defend them.

i feel the same you're both so right @Shimmery-summer and @Madmolise...was great reading your posts ...i still can't react to your posts ...so sorry for that

[Shimmery-summer]

58 minutes ago, andy78 said:

i feel the same you're both so right @Shimmery-summer and @Madmolise...was great reading your posts ...i still can't react to your posts ...so sorry for that

Thankyou for your kind words, maybe my account is new so you can't react to it, but that's not a problem, it's great to hear others thoughts and read responses.

 

1 hour ago, Madmolise said:

I agree with every single point.

 

I just want to add that IMO "The Change" had potential, but the idea needed to be well-thought. Unfortunately it wasn't. And my suspition is that the screenwiter hadn't any idea how to neatly end the story, so she decided to go the easiest way, viewers' opinion be damned.

Yes agree with it, great to hear your thoughts. I actually liked the ending that he wakes up in real body as it's more realistic(tho surviving headshot is quite an odd thing to happen even if he was immediately rescued by NIS agents), but the bad wrapping up, gaping plotholes ruined it. It seemed the writer's message was that chaebol structures should be abolished and corporates shouldn't be inherited, and entire show was actually geared towards this; i watched a documentary called Untouchable chaebols (something like this) by Vice, it's on youtube and a great watch, since I had seen it already I felt where writer's desperation lied but the execution of that idea was done poorly specially in 16 episode. 

 

It almost happens in majority kdramas now, specially ones that hit top ratings or gain huge popularity, I wonder is it writers' messing up or they are pressured by top management or show sponsors. 

[Madmolise]

1 hour ago, andy78 said:

i feel the same you're both so right @Shimmery-summer and @Madmolise...was great reading your posts ...i still can't react to your posts ...so sorry for that

Thank You  I'm new here, so maybe it's my level that is "in fault" here 

8 minutes ago, Shimmery-summer said:

Yes agree with it, great to hear your thoughts. I actually liked the ending that he wakes up in real body as it's more realistic(tho surviving headshot is quite an odd thing to happen even if he was immediately rescued by NIS agents), but the bad wrapping up, gaping plotholes ruined it. It seemed the writer's message was that chaebol structures should be abolished and corporates shouldn't be inherited, and entire show was actually geared towards this; i watched a documentary called Untouchable chaebols (something like this) by Vice, it's on youtube and a great watch, since I had seen it already I felt where writer's desperation lied but the execution of that idea was done poorly specially in 16 episode. 

 

It almost happens in majority kdramas now, specially ones that hit top ratings or gain huge popularity, I wonder is it writers' messing up or they are pressured by top management or show sponsors. 

I don't have any problem that he woke up as HW. Even surviving the gunshot I would buy as possible, because I've read about some similar accidents happened in real life (but he should spend more time in a coma and get some special treatment afterwards). But some plotholes are so large and so deep that they seem impossible to circumvent. What a waste of opportunity to create something really memorable...

[andy78]

@Shimmery-summer, @Madmolise i thought that maybe something happened and DJ is in coma too and that maybe his dad make it look like he is dead...i thought that first grandson will point HW  with a gun and kill him at the trial  and that DJ will wake up from coma at hospital after 18 years still with HW SOUL...reunite with his mom,dad ,brother and fiance ...he will finally be free to live his second life

Essence of character and story is very important when you make an adaptation of a novel or book ...they ruined it here...in the novel HW became DJ ...that's what i felt

[Madmolise]

24 minutes ago, andy78 said:

@Shimmery-summer, @Madmolise i thought that maybe something happened and DJ is in coma too and that maybe his dad make it look like he is dead...i thought that first grandson will point HW  with a gun and kill him at the trial  and that DJ will wake up from coma at hospital after 18 years still with HW SOUL...reunite with his mom,dad ,brother and fiance ...he will finally be free to live his second life

Essence of character and story is very important when you make an adaptation of a novel or book ...they ruined it here...in the novel HW became DJ ...that's what i felt

IMO the whole crew simply forgot HW somewhere down the road and were reminded of his existence (and of the fact that they wanted him, not DJ, to be the hero of the story) in some point near 14 episode  So, in a state of panic, they decided to turn things upside down and here we are, freaking out about the lame outcome.

[andy78]

1 hour ago, Madmolise said:

IMO the whole crew simply forgot HW somewhere down the road and were reminded of his existence (and of the fact that they wanted him, not DJ, to be the hero of the story) in some point near 14 episode  So, in a state of panic, they decided to turn things upside down and here we are, freaking out about the lame outcome.

i so agree with you

[Shimmery-summer]

2 hours ago, Madmolise said:

Thank You  I'm new here, so maybe it's my level that is "in fault" here 

I don't have any problem that he woke up as HW. Even surviving the gunshot I would buy as possible, because I've read about some similar accidents happened in real life (but he should spend more time in a coma and get some special treatment afterwards). But some plotholes are so large and so deep that they seem impossible to circumvent. What a waste of opportunity to create something really memorable...

Yes absolutely. 

2 hours ago, andy78 said:

@Shimmery-summer, @Madmolise i thought that maybe something happened and DJ is in coma too and that maybe his dad make it look like he is dead...i thought that first grandson will point HW  with a gun and kill him at the trial  and that DJ will wake up from coma at hospital after 18 years still with HW SOUL...reunite with his mom,dad ,brother and fiance ...he will finally be free to live his second life

Essence of character and story is very important when you make an adaptation of a novel or book ...they ruined it here...in the novel HW became DJ ...that's what i felt

I actually haven't read the webtoon nor the web novel. But now I am so curious.

[andy78]

1 hour ago, Shimmery-summer said:

I actually haven't read the webtoon nor the web novel. But now I am so curious.

one of my friends that also watched the drama (1-15 were great for him too) but after ep 16 told me he wants to swear at that  screenwriter!!!

[Rollito Deprimavera]

Well, I found the finale a little underwhelming, anti-climatic...the setup was so dramatic, I was expecting it would end with a bang, and the revenge would be satisfying... But in the end it was about management rights of big corporations?? That left me quite cold. Plus, I'd have preferred he'd end the series as Do Joon, not going back to be Hyun Woo.

All in all, it was super fun and I loved it, just maybe my expectations for the ending were too high.

[backstreetboysfan]

Watch: Song Joong Ki, Tiffany, And Park Hyuk Kwon Make Each Other Laugh Behind The Scenes Of “Reborn Rich”

 

A behind-the-scenes video for episodes 15 and 16 of the hit drama “Reborn Rich” is here!

 

“Reborn Rich” is a JTBC fantasy drama starring Song Joong Ki as Yoon Hyun Woo, a loyal secretary to a chaebol family. When he dies after being framed for embezzlement by the very family that he had faithfully served, he is reborn as the family’s youngest son Jin Do Joon, and he plots to take over the company in order to exact revenge.

 

The newest behind-the-scenes video is full of lots of laughs from Song Joong Ki, Park Hyuk Kwon, and Girls’ Generation’s Tiffany. The three have a great time joking around on set, with Song Joong Ki unable to even make it through one line without bursting out into laughter. For a drama with so many moments that keep you on the edge of your seat, it’s refreshing to see the cast’s antics behind the scenes and their amazing chemistry!

 

 

The video also includes some cute interactions between Song Joong Ki and Jung Hye Young.

 

Spoiler

 

Check out the full video below!

 

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Watch: Song Joong Ki, Tiffany, And Park Hyuk Kwon Make Each Other Laugh Behind The Scenes Of “Reborn Rich” | Soompi

 

 

[andy78]

10 hours ago, Rollito Deprimavera said:

I'd have preferred he'd end the series as Do Joon, not going back to be Hyun Woo.

same here...the writer wanted to shock us but only made things worse 70% hated his end...

 

one more thing:where is Rachel?What happened with her?

[aw614]

I didn't realize the ending was this weekend, so I finally got to watch it today. I liked episode 15, but 16 felt rushed. I honestly thought at the pace it was moving it was going to be 20 episodes instead of 16.

 

Not sure if I was reading the subtitles wrong, but the timeline felt like a plot hole to me? What was the present day year where HW was shot? Because it can't be 2028 can it? What confused me was when DJ mentioned the Korean weightlifter winning the silver medal in Beijing in 2008.

 

 

[backstreetboysfan]

JTBC RebornRich lead LeeSungmin to guest on JTBC Newsroom today and is expected to share some behind the scene stories of the recent hit drama

 

 

 

[andy78]

Song Joong-ki's "chaebol" drama causes an uproar in Korea + polls and online boards flooded with comments

Article: "The second 'Lovers in Paris"… everything was a dream, ‘Reborn Rich' ending causes controversy

Source: Maeil Business

Song Joong-ki's 'Reborn Rich' drama is causing controversy.

A large number of viewers are expressing regret and disappointment stating, "This is the most absurd ending ever since 'Lovers in Paris.'"

In the finale episode that aired on the 25th, Jin Do-joon (Song Joong-ki) dies in a car accident, Yoon Hyeon-woo (Song Joong-ki) who was kidnapped and shot in the first episode, falls into a state of unconsciousness for a week and at this time experiences Jin Do-joon's 17 year old life as a dream. Hyun-woo wakes up after Jin Do-joon dies and joins hands with Seo Min-young (Shin Hyun-bin) and Oh Se-hyun (Park Hyuk-kwon) to uncover the truth behind Jin Do-joon's death. Hyun-woo reveals at the hearing that Jin Young-ki (Yoon Je-moon) was behind the incident and that he was also an accomplice in his death. 

The drama ends with Song Joong-ki going back as Yoon Hyunwoo succeeding in his revenge of the Sunyang family and states, "I know now. It wasn't a time travel or a charade but a confession. This is penitence for Jin do-joon and for me, Yoon Hyun-woo." In the end, It turns out that the turbulent 17 year life that Yoon Hyun-woo lived as Jin Do-joon was all a dream. 

Immediately after the finale episode aired, voices of anger and criticism erupted in online communities and Naver Talk bulletin boards. In a Naver poll conducted over the drama's ending, the dissatisfaction rating by viewers exceeded 70%. 

Famous webtoon writer Joo Ho-min also expressed strong reactions to the ending on SNS writing, "It's XX.." Some viewers wrote, "If they had just stuck to the original, they wouldn't be getting criticized to this level. Let's heal again after watching the original."

In the original web novel, Jin Do-joon does not return to reality until the end and becomes the chairman of Sunyang Group, succeeding Jin Yang-cheol (Lee Seong-min) overtaking all the other characters in the family. In addition, Jin Do-joon goes to Hyun-woo's place of death, holds his last rites and lives as Jin Do-joon. However, in the drama, the main character is returned to reality and Jin Do-joon dies. 

'Reborn Rich' gained popularity by depicting the story of Song Joong-ki, a 'dirt spoon' who was born again into a chaebol family and began living his second life. It incorporated the true reality of the huge economic and social issues into the story of the Sunyang family reminiscent of a real chaebol group. The actors, including Lee Sung-min and Song Joong-ki were also well received for their passionate performances. 

According to Nielsen Korea, the finale episode recorded a rating of 26.9% and failed to exceed the record held by 'The World of the Married' (28.4%) that aired in 2020 and ranked second in JTBC's all-time top drama ratings. 

Meanwhile, SBS drama 'Lovers in Paris' that aired in 2004 gained popularity for its portrayal of the love story of Han Ki-joo (Park Shin-yang), a 2nd gen chaebol and Kang Tae-young (Kim Jong-un), an ordinary woman, against the backdrop of Paris, France. However, in the finale episode, everything was revealed as writer Kang Tae-yong's scenario leaving viewers in panic. Since then, it has been talked about every time a drama does well however it causes disappointment with the ending. 

In an interview with a media outlet 13 years later in 2017, writer Kim Eun-sook stated, "I'm still reflecting on myself. I thought of the ending as a 'bonus track' at the time but since the viewers didn't accept it, I realized that it was a bad script."

 

 

 

1. [+2,723, -14] A sh*tty mess of a drama from a script writer who got writer's disease and smeared RickRoll'D all over the original work. 
2. [+1,531, -128] This is the first time in my 30+ years of life that I've ever seen such a drama with the all-time worst ending, ever.. Zero re-watchability or continuity and a delusional script writer Kim Tae-hee who turned the entire chaebol family into some criminal enterprise and made a succession into a devious crime. With Lee Kun-hee, Lee Byung-chul, and Lee Jae-yong's achievements for our country.. how many.. ugh, I just.. in my life, I will never again watch another drama by Kim Tae-hee, ever!!!!
3. [+1,040, -200] This is a great example of how feminist and leftist dramas end up.. 
4. [+712, -10] Writer Kim Eun-sook also turned 'Lovers in Paris' into a dream too and viewers went crazy at the time so I never thought any writer would ever do something like that again.. I didn't expect to see an ending like that again 10+ years later.. OMG
5. [+407, -22] Just re-air another episode next week with a different ending.. 
6. [+344, -22] If the writer had poor writing skills they should've just stuck with the original. Then articles like this would've come out and they could've avoided a scandal. Does it make sense that someone that got shot in the head and dove off a cliff had a higher survival rate that someone who got hit by a truck twice?
7. [+307, -1] How can they ruin an original work like this? To get a 26% viewer rating on cable practically means the entire country is watching but this script writer smeared dog RickRoll'D all over the drama and put the entire nation in an uproar. Chairman Jin Yang-cheol wouldn't even be in the spotlight if it wasn't for Lee Sung-min's acting. The actors completely hard-carried the drama with their talents only for the writer to smear RickRoll'D on it and turn the drama into a monstrosity. If the writer didn't have the talents to properly close out the drama she should've gone with the original ending.. ugh so pathetic!
8. [+237, -4] The reason people go crazy for dramas is because they depict what's difficult for us to achieve in reality. Viewers were able to live through watching a 'dirt spoon' character suddenly become a chaebol son, predict the future through his past and fight head-to-head with the enemy. To come out with an ending saying it was all a dream.. this is practically taking the viewers back to the reality they live in, making any hard work in real life seem futile. Who would be satisfied going through such a joyful dream only to realize it was all a dream when they wake up in the morning?
9. [+214, -2] Because this RickRoll'D writer wrote the ending like that, everything that happened during Jin Do-joon's life makes zero sense and any probability of continuity is goneㅋㅋㅋ. Daebak, this writer turned this great drama into a melon. 
10. [+191, -1] She turned the drama of the year into the worst drama of all time with the finale episode ㅋ
11. [+182, -2] ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Seems like this writer's entire message was to say all chaebols are corrupt, that's itㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅌㅋ the only thing in the writer's brains is their hatred for chaebols ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
12. [+107, -1] This f*cking third rate writer really smeared RickRoll'D all over the original work. Apologize to the original creator!

https://dailynaver.blogspot.com/2022/12/song-joong-kis-chaebol-drama-causes.html

 

[Shimmery-summer]

I dunno if others have felt it or not, but this drama left me with a very a scary and somewhat trauma like feeling, a feel you would get when you watch movies like final destination, because of 3 murder attempts, firstly when HW is shot, 2nd a very detailed truck of doom accident of grand father and Dojun, 3rd again a quite detailed truck of doom that finally kills him, and add to it the suicide of his mom in his dream.