[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[Forsythia]

Yesterday episodes had broke my heart into pieces. I am not hating on it but it is just too painful to see and try to understand our OTP point of view. Since the beginning, i know we will be going on a very painful journey fills with tragedy, so, i have been preparing my heart and nurtured it to be strong since the earlier days so that i can still stand strong throughout this journey. But, my heart, my poor little heart is still not strong enough to watch everything falls out of place. There is a moment that i want to pull out from this journey, but then my dear heart still trying hold on to the little pieces of hope that everything will end well. It is called scarlet heart not for nothing. This drama truly make our heart bleeds not just because of the sadness and frustration but also the anger. 

[Kelly86]

2 hours ago, Para12012 said:

All these crazy people in the palace is because they keep marrying their family . Mentally they're all a bit off. Inbred. 

 

Seriously....IDK how this was "ok" back then ewwww I get it they want to keep their blood royal and for a family to rule for a long time but still ewwww. Surprisingly there were no breeding issues? They did come from the same father. Staring to sound like HS....seesh I should of paid more attention in science class pertaining these topics. All I remember is chromosome this, chromosome that = blah blah.

[CapriGirl13]

I really want to smack Wook in the head, seriously! Arrrrghhh!

And what's with the preview?? Soo will get married to Wook? The last thing before this episode end is Soo asked Baek Ah to send her desperate message to Jung, to rescue her. But how in the hell she end up marrying Wook?!

This is all Wook's fault to make WangSo become a monster!  This and the rest episode would be messy.

 

[ktcjdrama]

49 minutes ago, qwenli said:

can someone tell me why is Yeonhwa/kang hanna so irritating. I dont know why she has to post her IG pix so early in the morning when viewers havent even get over ep 18. I am usually quite an objective person, but this thing is just leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

IKR! Under normal circumstances, I welcome BTS pics, but this, does.not.bring me any smile at all. Not yet. Maybe in a few days, or weeks, later. Or never.

23 minutes ago, briseis said:

The Complete History of SoSoo Marriage Proposal Rejections

This is just such sad reminder... No wonder insecure WS was furious at the thought of HS was once going to marry WW.

[cmluv]

2 minutes ago, MiNo88 said:

 

I really want to smack Wook in the head, seriously! Arrrrghhh!

And what's with the preview?? Soo will get married to Wook? The last thing before this episode end is Soo asked Baek Ah to send her desperate message to Jung, to rescue her. But how in the hell she end up marrying Wook?!

This is all Wook's fault to make WangSo become a monster!  This and the rest episode would be messy.

 

 

i think what appear in the preview is not haesoo will marry wook, but wook confess to wangso that he had a relationship with soo and planned to marry her.  and wangso confirm it to haesoo and she say yes they did plan to get married. that's why wangso become mad at the end. 

[eunki]

@qwenli I have the same feeling about KH IG update but I'm satisfied that even in selfie WS looks unhappy 

[Mimi Suhaina]

This is so sad... I'm still hoping for a happy ending for our OTP.. But i have the feeling that they will show a shorter scene during the 21st century.... Jebal I need a longer scene during 21st century... Please PD-Min pleaseeeee...

[CapriGirl13]

3 minutes ago, cmluv said:

i think what appear in the preview is not haesoo will marry wook, but wook confess to wangso that he had a relationship with soo and planned to marry her.  and wangso confirm it to haesoo and she say yes they did plan to get married. that's why wangso become mad at the end. 

Still, it's Wook's fault for having a cheap mouth! 

If that's the case then maybe Soo wants to get revenge to So because he killed Chaeryung. Ugh..messy.

[krysyuy]

lol, I can't be mad at Hanna's IG posts. I thought they were cute (the two of them switching crowns made me laugh). Honestly, the bts stuff of this show is healing to me. The cast is adorable.

Where are people getting the Soo is marrying Wook thing?! haha So's asking if she intended to marry Wook all those years ago and she admits it. That's it. There's plenty of legitimate stuff to rage and feel depressed about - this is not one of them.

I would like Won to die in the next episode, please. (Because, let's face it, Wook is somehow going to worm out of getting punished.) If this is another thing for HS to hold against WS, idek anymore.

[isengdoang]

it wont be a happy ending... it's bbjx ending...

i'm loosing hope... my stars is fading... drop to downhill..

okey... this drama consumming my healthy mind...

needs LJG voice to calmed me down...

it's okey

it's just a drama

 

 

[antiherofans]

8 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

IKR! Under normal circumstances, I welcome BTS pics, but this, does.not.bring me any smile at all. Not yet. Maybe in a few days, or weeks, later. Or never.

This is just such sad reminder... No wonder insecure WS was furious at the thought of HS was once going to marry WW.

 

What picture did she put?

[bitofmadness]

As much as I love love my OTP, their love is not meant to be in Goryeo. They are hurting each other. The stakes are too high for broken trust, jealousy and miscommunication. Unlike the 21st century where you can probably talk it through, people are being killed. Every action you take has the risk of a fatal consequence. Both of them can’t afford to make any more mistakes. Basically startling by each step. 

So I think it’s safe to say that Jung is the one for her in this bloodbath era. The director is already drawing parallels between them with the protest scene from episode 18 and the rain scene from episode 11. They are driven by emotions and camaraderie. They are stubborn. They are fiercely loyal (although sometimes they end up making stupid decisions but hey we are all human). They aren’t good with politics. They just want to be set free away from the palace to go on adventures. This is already a set up from the very beginning. Those scenes with Jung escaping from the palace at the beginning of this drama is a foreshadow. So please Jung, please just take her away from the heartbreak. And please bring her to a pond so she can drown, transport back to the 21st century and meet future So. 

I hate to admit it but I think Yeonhwa is probably the most suitable partner for GJ in order to rule Goryeo. She is smart and cunning, and she is be able to survive palace politics in the long-term. However, can someone please reveal her crimes like asap? Like what Mr. Wook said you can’t have everything. 

I hope HS’s death will wake all of them up - at the end of the day, they are still brothers. I don’t mind a sad ending if the director shows that her death has an impact on GJ’s future rule and other surviving characters’ development. But I’m low-key fooling myself. BECAUSE I DESERVE TO SEE A HAPPY ENDING AFTER ALL THIS.  

[40somethingahjumma]

Good episode but yeah... very sad as the inevitable looms large. The throne is truly a lonely place and to hold on to it is a terrifying task.

As someone else said earlier in the thread, I too have a really hard time taking sides between So and Su because I love them both and I can quite easily put myself in their shoes and walk in them. In a real enough way these two people would have never met if she hadn’t been transported unceremoniously across time and space. It’s a mismatched situation and ultimately it’s a mix of circumstances and their own personalities that will tear them apart. But it doesn’t make their romance less great even if they go their separate ways. The greatness of their romance shouldn’t be measured by whether they have a happy ending but by how much they loved when they could. My belief is that they were hampered from the start but in the end they tried the very best they could. I never assumed that they would have a happy ending judging from the source material and I never liked to speculate much that they would either.

My view for some time has been that Su was brought back to Goryeo precisely for the qualities that she’s being berated for clinging onto right now. Narratively at least, only a woman who can see the best in others despite all appearances to the contrary could have tamed a savage, blood-thirsty, ruthless man and caused him to fall in love. Wang So was a pariah within his family and in all of Goryeo. His reputation as a wolf-like creature preceded him and yet she managed to find something in him to sympathize with. More than that, her tendency to sympathize compelled her to help him unmask himself and instil the confidence he needed to get to where he is today. On top of all of that, her unerring optimism and sassy attitude endeared her to most of the princes. Before we turn on her wholesale, let’s remember that those were the character traits that made her uniquely qualified to unlock So’s heart and take him on his journey to the throne.

I think it is a little unfair to ask her to jettison all of that just because it would be more expedient to do so. On some level, I want her to become as conniving and ruthless as Yeon Hwa but then if she were like YH, neither Uk nor So would never have fallen for her. She would have just been another palace player with agendas, manipulating everyone for her own ends.

However, having said that, it is also fair to say that if she can’t cast off her idealism because it’s killing her little by little inside, she needs to leave so that she doesn’t hold So back from doing what needs to be done and if So does love her and continues to respect her freedom, he should let her go.

I also strenuously disagree that Su doesn’t love So or has never loved him. I am really surprised that even after the last few episodes commenters are still saying this. She has compromised her own stated positions on polygamy and marriage in general not once but twice already because of him. She didn’t condemn him for killing Eun and understood why he did it. She waited at least 2 years for him when he left without her and she helped him become King despite her own misgivings. When she built her prayer shrine, she asked for more time to be with him knowing that she’s largely living on borrowed time.

Much as I don’t care for Chae Ryung, I’m sure that entire episode devastated Su not just because of the brutality in which punishment was meted out but because CR was supposedly a friend she had trusted and CR betrayed her trust. Someone who had not only caused the death of a King but also someone who had knowledge of the truth of a conspiracy. All of this made things untenable for Su and So under Yo’s watchful eye, which led in part to their 2 year separation. Undoubtedly CR was a pawn in a much bigger game but she used their so-called friendship to be a spy for Uk and Won and make in-roads into the palace. 

Nevertheless, call me hard-hearted but I don't buy "she only loved" as an excuse. People got hurt and a good King went nuts, died. And as So rightly pointed out, she was used to create problems between them. That's why Su sadly... doesn't really belong in the palace. It's not a bad thing to be generous but when people are backstabbing you and have created problems between you and the man you love, you've got to draw the line somewhere.

All these complaints are why week after week I keep thinking that I must be watching a show that’s completely different to everyone else. There must be some 4^th or 5^th version floating out there that’s created from Vogon poetry that I haven’t yet seen.

 

So has always been the guy to take out the rubbish. Now that he's on the warpath, he's definitely doing what he was born to do I expect.  He's taking out the rubbish in his own indomitable style.

As for So’s apparently newfound ruthlessness… well, he’s always been ruthless. That’s at the core of who he is. Let’s not forget that this is the man who killed a temple full of monks for his mother. It’s part of his duality… the man needing to be loved and the man who was never afraid to do what was necessary. Not sure why that’s a contradiction. Aside from that the one thing he cared about most in the world and he was forced from every side to give her up and be the devoted husband he always wanted to be. And now he’s hopping mad… as I expected he would be.

The Hwangbos overreached and forced his hand in the matter of marriage and needing support from the powerful clans. He was backed into a corner, asked to give up Su for political expediency and he’s none too happy. She’s been largely the restraining force in his life and now that the political class is trying to put a leash around his neck again, he’s growling and snarling. Are we surprised he’s fighting back?

This is what I meant about Uk needing to be very careful about pushing So. With all his so-called smarts he still hasn’t got So figured out – So is a fighter… a different kind of beast to him. When So thought Su was his happily ever after, he was a cute trained puppy on a leash but now when things are threatening to pull them apart, the wolf will come to the fore. It’s exactly what Yo said, Wolves mate for life. It works both ways: defensively and offensively. Used as a leverage once too many times, the wolf will bite and come out swinging. The schemers forgot that and they will pay, pay, pay. One at a time.

Honestly, I don’t see anything inconsistent at all. Frankly I don't see that So needs to apologize for cleaning up when his brothers were doing all kinds of things to undermine the throne and those protecting it for their own purposes.

Judging from how she’s written Su and So, I’d venture to guess that the writer probably believes people don’t really change all that much and it doesn’t take much for them to revert back to what they know when the trigger’s right. They both have things to do and if Su can't be the comfort that So needs then I support her leaving the castle and live out the final days peacefully (although the thought of her taking off with Jeong makes me a bit queasy).

See why I don’t take sides.

(Well, maybe the writer’s side)

[antiherofans]

6 minutes ago, Mimi Suhaina said:

This is so sad... I'm still hoping for a happy ending for our OTP.. But i have the feeling that they will show a shorter scene during the 21st century.... Jebal I need a longer scene during 21st century... Please PD-Min pleaseeeee...

 

I think the future scene will be 10 minutes max

[ktcjdrama]

3 minutes ago, antiherofans said:

 

What picture did she put?

Back read to page 1582. I tried to copy paste the pic but wasn't succesful.

 

[briseis]

new BTS video of the shippy scenes from episode 17

http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1197487

[kokoro_ai]

LMAO something light after so much dark

 

[CapriGirl13]

3 minutes ago, isengdoang said:

it wont be a happy ending... it's bbjx ending...

i'm loosing hope... my stars is fading... drop to downhill..

okey... this drama consumming my healthy mind...

needs LJG voice to calmed me down...

it's okey

it's just a drama

 

 

I have known from the first time that this won't be a happy ending drama, because (damn my curiosity!) I've searching in Wikipedia about Gwangjong reign and it appeared the queen is YeonHwa not HaeSoo. So yeah..

I lowered my expectation

Watch the drama intensely

Get swayed with the plot

And yet again disappointed by the ending which I've known since the beginning. 

[lyserose]

10 minutes ago, runitaaa said:

I just watch int version and not SBS version, but personally the reason for So-Soo break up is just not enough tension! I mean, they already gone through all that hardship for years now, and just because of Chae Ryung (and Gwangjong ego to prevent Jung by his mother side) Soo already give up on him??? Not that I against that decision whatsoever, the poor girl need to pack up and leave the palace ASAP, it will be better if she leave Goryeo era too! Now I wish we have the pregnancy troupe and use it for So-Soo break up...

Many would choose to disagree with Wang So and feel the heartbreak over his transition into a formidable Gwangjong but I guess, I am in the minority who actually like him better in this episode, or should I say I like this version of Wang So. Let's not forget that he is a King and he could not let himself being pulled by the nose by others. Some of his decisions could be seen as plainly cruel but as a king, he needs to step out with best foot forward and make the decision which he thinks is best for himself and at the situation despite being unpopular to others. I like that he exudes power in this episode, holding his ground as a king even taking advantage of Yeon Hwa to win the political game and solidify his power. The fact that he can turn the table on Yeonhwa pretty much shown us how much So has stepped up his political game.

The problem with Haesoo is that she is too idealistic and this is where her 21st century self is ill-fitting to this era. Tbh, I kind of like that Wang So holds his ground even to the woman he loves by asking Haesoo not to meddle into his decisions as a king and this is where I respect Baek Ah, he may not necessarily agree with So but he care to understand and could see beyond the true intention of So's actions unlike Haesoo. Haesoo simply has the tendency to view things at face value and So could not do more but hoping for her to understand. 

I have no issue with the separation between OTP. Sometimes, being apart is not because we love no longer but could be the best thing to give one another so that none would continue to hurt the other. By being apart, Haesoo won't feel hurt by So's actions which she could not agree with and So would not be hurt by Haesoo's lack of understanding. Their love still continue but the its the course than has run out. But if there's anything I wish to comment, I am devastated that Haesoo care to understand others including Chae Ryung despite her ultimate betrayal but care not to understand So.

[kuanphing]

3 minutes ago, antiherofans said:

 

I think the future scene will be 10 minutes max

 

can we have future scene in one episode, pleaseeeeee......

even it will be sad ending in goryeo, we deserve happy moment in the future (keep the lowest expectation).

what this drama did to me, i feel so heartbroken