[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[AryRa]

26 minutes ago, antiherofans said:

Withdrawal syndrome start to form inside me

Be strong, be strong

 

I already watch the last episode 3 times... and it give me the same feeling... and keep cryng till the end...... beautiful sad ending...

Gwenchana... gwenchana... be strong... it's only drama.... i should see another LJK drama or running man 

 Everytime i cry... my flu getting worse... him nae

[hiluna]

4 hours ago, ayasdai said:

Can someone explain this to me? What I don't get, even though in Korean the drama didn't have high ratings it basically exploded internationally, not only in China, but in other several other countries with a huge success. it's even going to be on Netfilx. Just in China there is 2 billion+ views... 

Even if not in Korea, but it is still obviously a goldmine... so why wouldn't SBS do a second season? I assume they could sell the episodes for much more, if not twice as much as the first ones. The fans would go crazy. If it had a very good plot line I would go crazy for it. 

To be honest I don't know what I want... maybe it would be enough if they realised the extended ending scene. I still hope we will see it one day... or probably it would just made us crave for more. I just doubt LJK would admit it is not the full version of the ending if they didn't want to share it with us in the future. 

But I still don't get why SBS doesn't want to ride the international-success wave. 

SBS is the broadcasting station and make their money through advertising that is why ratings are important for them. The investors are YG and U.S. NBC Universal Studios so it would be them that will make the decision of any further season.

[EstherW]

The drunkard Ji Mong is the Goryeo boy that is in his body??!

Or due to the change in history, certain aspects of timeline has changed?!

overall I like the ending with their child with Jung. Much happier that they didn't go with the c-Ver but if there is a special with modern times...it won't hurt either!

[lazyme2day]

Fans are signing a petition for a sequel. 

 

[liddi]

Just wanted to revisit the two scenes from the SBS version translated by @ruizaio that speaks so beautifully, so eloquently of everything that Soo internalised, and never expressed until it was too late... her love, steadfast and unwavering, her heartbreaking yearning for the man she loves - not Gwangjong, but Wang So... and her imagination of an existence where finally, no one else exists apart from them. 
 

Imagining an idyllic existence with the man she loves

"Finally, there's just the two of us now, away from the palace.
Just you and I, me and you.
Now I can forget about truth and lies, misunderstandings and jealousy,
and the precarious fight for the throne and deaths
and just devote my time on loving you."

 

Her letter to So

"Life is like a dream. Right and wrong. Love and hate. They all get buried with the passing of time and leave quietly with no trace.
Do you still think that you don't have my whole heart and resent me?
I'm always worried that I may have left you with hatred instead of love, not allowing you to rest in peace.
I still love you.
When you gave up everything and stood by me in the rain...
and when you took the arrow meant for me,
you became someone I could never forget in my life.
I came to realize that the opposite of loving is not hating, but leaving.
I'm afraid that you may think that I left you and that you left me.
I yearn for you so much, but I can't be near you.
I hope and wait to see you again inside these fences, that you'll visit some day."

[Kasmic]

Who made consent to this.... FIRE them straight away!!! ... PFTTT!!! 

 I dunno what to say anymore

[Misstwilightfan1416]

Episode 19 Video Clips from DramaFever

Spoiler

Credit: DramaFever

 

[Maral Owls]

I DONT ACCEPT THIS FINAL

NO NO NO !!!!

 

It is cruel and unfair     

Wang So did everything so well, he was so true,  he deserves to be happy!!!  He could not even have her daughter THIS IS NOT OKAY! he gave all his love omg...I need a hug ....We can write to SBS? Make an alternate ending? Please we need make a request to SBS TT - TT

Sorry I just...I cant... 

Pd. sorry my bad english u.u 

[minmar]

I finally got to watch Episode 20 with subs and cried my face off.  The ending was that beautiful.  I got the distinct impression from the foreshadowing  that  So does find Hae Soo in the present (whether we see it or not).  I can imagine him stepping around a corner somewhere and her running into him. .and her crying out the Ow Oooh... just as before.  Recognition? I would bet on it.   

Personally, I loved every moment of this story and especially the acting. I could feel every character.  I don't know the intricacies of SK drama but like the others in the international audience.... I loved it.  (I would suggest it be mentioned in Wikipedia that SK has the highest number of film/drama critics per capita in the world) That at least would help us poor dummies to know that our view and feelings are vastly inferior to theirs.   Saves on the arguments. 

As for LJG ...he was simply beyond amazing. I hope his next role will finally win the esteem of SK.

[Gabi Bros]

22 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

Ji Soo (who played Wang Jung) confirmed in an interview that there is a scene in modern times where future So and Ha Jin meet. He wondered if it would be included in a DVD release. Just like Jin Ki Joo (actress of CR), he confirmed that many scenes were deleted from each episode. All the more reason for a complete edition to come out...

OMG!! OMGG!!!! OMG!! 

[Maral Owls]

4 minutes ago, Kasmic said:

Who made consent to this.... FIRE them straight away!!! ... PFTTT!!! 

 I dunno what to say anymore

 

WE NEED TO DEMAND THAT SCENE!!! D: 

[ktcjdrama]

6 minutes ago, liddi said:

Her letter to So

"Life is like a dream. Right and wrong. Love and hate. They all get buried with the passing of time and leave quietly with no trace.
Do you still think that you don't have my whole heart and resent me?
I'm always worried that I may have left you with hatred instead of love, not allowing you to rest in peace.
I still love you.
When you gave up everything and stood by me in the rain...
and when you took the arrow meant for me,
you became someone I could never forget in my life.
I came to realize that the opposite of loving is not hating, but leaving.
I'm afraid that you may think that I left you and that you left me.
I yearn for you so much, but I can't be near you.
I hope and wait to see you again inside these fences, that you'll visit some day."

Thank you for providing us a much much better translation of her letter. The sub in the drama does not do the letter justice.

[CapriGirl13]

Here is the cute little girl. Her name is Seo Ga Eun. 

 

[enigmatic_zephy]

53 minutes ago, eunki said:

People, who are disappointed with ending! Please, watch it again

I did and it's a different feeling! It is so beautiful...sad but immensely beautiful and deep. This is indeed epic love story and I completely believe that WS will find HS wherever she is, and be happy forever! 

I don't regret 2months of heart aches, ruined RL and sleepless nights. MLSHR, I love you!

We would have appreciated had this drama been flawless for last two months.. which it wasn't..

So that's the least director owes to us with so much of heartbreak ..w hich wasn't even coming from actors or story.. atleast pay for the deeds.. for fans who still supported the project because of the actors involved ( actors were great!).

19 minutes ago, nikiazia said:

why they cut the scene? if they shoot WS meet HS in the future (21st) ... they should put in the final. 

i'm so mad & angry with stupid PDnim & writernim

who would sub the dvd version?

without subs whats the point in buying

[minekas]

Spoiler

 

Cr as tegged

[Sharine Phinisia]

6 minutes ago, Kasmic said:

Who made consent to this.... FIRE them straight away!!! ... PFTTT!!! 

 I dunno what to say anymore

 

Spoiler

 

 

My mom said that this ending successfully evoke our feelings... and now I think perhaps that's their aim... so viewers will not forget the ending without crying-bawling-screaming death for writer and PD and discuss it vigorously all over the internet. Think about it, a crappy ending would be an ending to be forgotten and not even worthy to talk about, right? The fact that everyone (including me) screams for blood and murder for the scar they inflicted on us serve the impact they need.

Comparing it to other drama with happy, fluffy, sweet ending that only serves to end the drama in a sweet note... I just swoon over it for seconds and forget it the next day. At this point happy ending is too much, I just need a closure. 

[sooji28]

30 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

Ji Soo (who played Wang Jung) confirmed in an interview that there is a scene in modern times where future So and Ha Jin meet. He wondered if it would be included in a DVD release. Just like Jin Ki Joo (actress of CR), he confirmed that many scenes were deleted from each episode. All the more reason for a complete edition to come out...

OH MY GOD!!!

Why did the director cut THAT SCENE!!!!

I'm so furious right now. I think i'm going to cry and weep all day. And call office: sick leave.

 

[penforella]

29 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

Ji Soo (who played Wang Jung) confirmed in an interview that there is a scene in modern times where future So and Ha Jin meet. He wondered if it would be included in a DVD release. Just like Jin Ki Joo (actress of CR), he confirmed that many scenes were deleted from each episode. All the more reason for a complete edition to come out...

 

Which idiot decided to omit that scene? No wonder they were saying it was a happy ending. Probably they decided the fans know too much and want to turn the table on us.

This drama gave me hangover like no other.

[soorani]

2 hours ago, aine7 said:

What a journey! What an incredible journey! But I need time to re-watch these last two episodes with a clear mind. To think, to analyze.But all I can say…I loved the finale. I felt relieved that in the end this awesome series remained true to its own distinctive style to let each and every viewer to have his/her own  end of the story/open ending/never ending or whatever. That series feed our minds and the end feed our imagination. This end is a delicate and subtle closure: love come in many forms: pure, unconditional, all consuming, tragic, heartbreaking, unrequited.

Thank you all for being such wonderful companions, for your amazing and insightful comments and analyses. I enjoyed your ability to synthesize, pinpoint facts and things. I will keep close to my heart “I don’t want to”, “you’re mine”, “I love you” “I will find you”.

3

 

Beautiful words!!!!

 

16 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

Ji Soo (who played Wang Jung) confirmed in an interview that there is a scene in modern times where future So and Ha Jin meet. He wondered if it would be included in a DVD release. Just like Jin Ki Joo (actress of CR), he confirmed that many scenes were deleted from each episode. All the more reason for a complete edition to come out...

 

 

At this point, I'm putting all my hopes in this DVD release *crossing fingers* 

[zi4r]

Okay, I've calmed down enough to have my very late breakfast.

I'm not going to re-watch the finale yet --- DF version or SBS version. Gonna wait until DSS subs come out, and then re-watch both version with subs, so I can write a proper closure review.

But I have to say this for now.

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Negatives:

I regret I ever decided to watch SHR. As I've said in my long review yesterday, it's a true case-study in expectation (mis)management. No, I am not pissed about the lack of happy-ending; I am pissed about the pointlessness of it all. The show didn't do justice to ANYONE:

• Gwangjong, a great ruler --- Ruthless or not, he did a lot of good during his reign, and now all his actions/achievements/decisions are being attributed to him being a man, broken by endless mistreatment & one lost love.
• (Supposingly) Epic romance and undying love of GJ/WS & HS --- The show made GJ a man defined by love..... that is fine if the show did that love/romance true justice. But it didn't. Their love is defined only by pain.

All their meaningful moments are tinged with pain & avoidance & miscommunication. They have never truly communicated as a couple of equals throughout their love life. They never were a true couple, period.

Worse still, there's no redemption in this story. The miscommunications were never resolved, even after HS's death. Once HS's memories came back in the future, all she could feel is regret & pain. Even GJ's "I will find you, my Soo" is another miscommunication, one that truly haunts me. Because he has no knowledge of how exactly they are of "two different worlds"... how they are separated not just by death, but by time... how he has never truly understood/knew her.

This is no normal tragic love story. This is a love story that has never truly begun, yet has ended. I have no doubt that they love one another (each in his/her own way) and that their love was immense. But the story-arc never did their feelings justice, until the very raw & non-resolution end.

• Hae Soo as a character --- She was a nobody in 2016. Then, she got sent back to Goryeo, where she suffered & suffered. WS's/GJ's form of love & protection stifled her & left her without freedom or individuality. She lost her true self in Goryeo; she became a shell rather than a truly living being, and that can be greatly blamed on WS, the man who loves her with all his heart.

The universe's purpose of HS being sent back to Goryeo is to make the history happen the way it always has been. Am I making sense??? Without her, our Korean/Goryeo history would not have been the way it is now.... the way HS knows the history to be even before she was sent back.

HS thinks the purpose of her being sent back is to influence/change the history as she knows it. But she is the cause of that history. After trying so hard to make GJ a better man (as she defines it), now she realizes that she is the true cause of all the tragedy at the hands of GJ. Without her pain & suffering throughout her stay in Goryeo, GJ wouldn't have been this angry & vengeful. And without her leaving, GJ wouldn't have become this soulless & ruthless.

Hae Soo. A character we rooted for because of her giving spirit & her spunkiness. She lost it all in this story, didn't get anything (even true loving relationship) in exchange for it, and now has to live with the guilt that she is the cause of everything she hates about Gwangjong's reign.

• Other characters --- No one except WS/GJ get a satisfying character development. Other than GJ/WS, HS & WW (and maybe YH), everyone else is just a walking-talking humanoid, a rough-sketch stage of character forming. Many of these characters existed in history, and the show's mishandling in portrayal their motivations/actions is so demeaning to these great men & women.
• MLSHR audience & fans --- The show didn't deliver anything it advertised.

It delivered a half-baked plot where we had to keep filling in the blanks with excuses & explanations & speculations.

Its short 20-episode run made a joke out of political intrigue and key historical events, with its way of rushing through the plot-points without any impact.

It didn't do justice to the romance --- its key storyline --- because it couldn't show a true couplehood of the OTP due to the time-skips. And that was never redeemed in the finale in any fulsome way.

I know that everyone on this forum is suddenly in a forgiving mood. But the problems in this show are hardly forgivable. For me to be a true fan of the show, I have to be honest. And honestly, my disappointment cannot even be put into words.

 

 

Positives:

Since I feel that this is a case of expectation mismanagement, I would be re-watching the show with a brand new set of eyes after I've recovered from the heartache & disappointment it has caused. The fact of the matter is: I didn't realize the true theme/moral of the story until right before the finale. Yesterday, just a few hours before the finale, I wrote this in my long post:

21 hours ago, zi4r said:

It is an impactful drama, don't get me wrong, but the "impact" is the "nothingness". The moral of the story, to me, have been: "There's no bigger meaning in life; There's no reward in trying; Things happen as they are destined to be."

Gosh, how right I was. Apparently, that is the moral of the story.

I called it as "nothingness" because I didn't know how to define the helplessness & hollowness I was feeling in my heart. Gwangjong gave me the word I was looking for: FUTILITY.

It followed that theme in every way, every sense.

• No matter what the characters do in the story, the history is set so it's their destiny, it's futile. Try as they might to change their course, every action results in the course that is already set for them by the universe. They are stuck in the universe's pre-destined plot, and there's nothing they can do about it.
• No matter what we as audience want, no matter how much we root for love & justice & goodness & fairness, it's futile. Try as we might to hold on hope that there's a true ending to the sufferings in the show, our every attempt at rationalizing/making excuses just results in the course of heartbreak/disappointment that is already set for us by the creators of the show. We are stuck in the creator's pre-produced plot, and there's nothing we can do about it.

In every episode, we get to feel the helplessness of the characters and of ourselves. Whatever the characters hope for, they didn't get it in the story --- there's no real happiness for ANYONE in this universe. Whatever we hoped for in this show, we didn't get it --- there's no true sense of closure for the audience in this show.

So what do I like about it? There's a ballsy "up-yours" quality to the show that I truly admire. This is one risky plot and one absolutely cruel ending. There are so many things the drama chose to do/portray that attracted ire from the audience, let me just list a few:

• Misogyny being portrayed as love (Forced kiss, taking away your love's freedom of choice/individuality, etc)
• Apologist approach to WS's bad character traits/actions
• Extended WW-HS romance
• Mistreatment/Mischaracterization of female characters
• (Of course) The unexpected ending that defies even our worst imagination (Really, HS in the future with JM, but WS is not there???? WTF?!!!)

Any writer with a right mind wouldn't have written this script that seems intent on insulting the audience's sensibilities every step of the way. When I start to truly look at it, this script seems like an experiment in the masochistic streak in its audience --- the writer seems to be testing how far they can mistreat the audience until no one watches the show anymore.

When I look at it that way, all the weaknesses I highlighted about the show starts to feel intentional. Remember how I talked about the show's mishandling of transfers of power?

21 hours ago, zi4r said:

• Taejo died almost peacefully. HS limps around to save the nation. Then the battle scene with gorgeous sword fight. Then, Mu is King.

My disappointment? It was too short; Mu arrived quickly and there was no bloody battle.

But this one is not all bad. At least, we got to see WW's political mind in how he betrayed Yo. And we got to see HS at least doing something. And we got the nice conversation between WS & HS in the throne room.

• Mu died. One little moment of badassery from WS. Threatened with HS, he stopped fighting. Then, Yo is King.

My disappointment? Mu drowned in thigh-deep water. Well, I know his veins were pumped full of mercury by then, but the editing of the drowning scene was s*** so I didn't feel the impact of his death. Then, again, fight scene was too short.

But this one is very good in one particular sense: tortured WS. His inner struggle was beautiful to see... so that salvaged the scene quite a bit.

• Yo died. There was supposed to be a coup, which becomes not-a-coup. Then, WS/GJ is King.

Most anti-climatic ascent to throne of all times for me. I was expecting some interesting planning for the coup; we didn't get it. I was expecting some bloody battle; we didn't get it. I was expecting at least some confrontation between WS and Yo; we didn't get it. In almost a blink of an eye, the coup AND the coronation were over. WTH?!!!

I now view this as a masterstroke in highlighting the futility of one's actions. (Attention to @30orsomething here. What are your thoughts on this now?) No matter how much you try, you won't ascend to power unless the universe wills it. And no matter how little you try, when your time has come, BOOM!!! You are KING!

So that's why I need to re-watch the whole show. Drawing from the theme of futility, I'd probably be able to see the plot-devices being put to better uses. I might be giving this writer too much credit, but well, look at it this way. It's really difficult for a show/script to suck this much... You have to really try to make a script this disappointing. So there must be a point to it all, right? (Am I being crazy to look at it this way?)

Anyway, we're dealing with either the dumbest/most incompetent writer of all times, or the most brilliant & cruel one. I haven't made up my mind yet.

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P.S. @akinahana89 Thanks for update. I look forward to our mass attack tonight. Cheers!

Edited November 2, 2016 by zi4r
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