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[leejoongi1trash]

7 minutes ago, hrkharis said:

 

I mean, the man is WS but in the 21st century. His name change to be (maybe) Lee Joong Ki or Kim Wang So, or whatever (like HS's name in the 21st century is Go Ha Jin). He is not the son of a king, but he is the heir of a Big Company. As I said previously that they feel "Deja Vu". They will meet by accident and feel the same feelings that they have ever fall in love. For HS, she is clearly aware that handsome man in the 21st century is WS, while for that handsome man (WS in the 21th century), she is the girl who have been present in his dreams. Forgive me, my imagination moves wildly .... lol ..

 

 

@hrkharis Like he is WS or WS reincarnation? because if he is WS then she won't be the girl present in his dreams but HS he knew.  My mind is going bonkers too haha

[fathiayunia]

I haven't back read! This thread moves with lighting speed again! So I'm sorry if someone already talked about this before. So, umm seeing as how they keep getting us sad lyric in ost this drama is doomed to possibly have sad ending.

I really hope that if this drama's gonna pull a sad ending on me they should do it

RIGHT and REAL HURTS

not

FRUSTRATING HURTS

Right and real hurts happens when it's soooo tear jerking and heart wrenching so that when you recall the scene you can't stop crying, in a good way. Frustrating hurts usually happens to me when the show use too many noble idiocy and misunderstanding it gets frustrating. After my frustration with Hae Soo's earlier episodes. I don't think I can forgive anymore noble idiocy and or misunderstanding. I know this is a different story and character and all, but because we also have some similarity to the C-ver, I'm gonna take a chance and take this C-ver ending as example. So this is what basically happened in C-ver (you can skip it, it's quite long)

Spoiler

(cmiiw I didn't watch the c-version.. can't get over those half bald prince.. stopped at episode 4 cause I can't seem to differentiate between the prince. lol. sorry)

based on wikipedia..

When 8th's wife tells Ruoxi that 8th acted against 4th years ago because of her advice based on the knowledge of the future, she is shocked, and her despair causes her to miscarry 4th's child and is unable to conceive again. Enraged, 4th blames 8th and his wife, issuing an edict forcing them to divorce, which leads her to commit suicide. Ruoxi fears 4th's punitive actions against his brothers and confesses the truth to him and Yinxiang (who the hell is Yinxiang? 13th?). 4th is stunned when he understands why 8th plotted against him and starts treating Ruoxi coldly. Ruoxi is unable to withstand the mental stress and asks 14th to help her leave the palace. 14th knows that 4th will not allow Ruoxi to leave and decides to intervene. He discloses details of his past romance with Ruoxi, and an angered 4th eventually agrees to let Ruoxi and 14th leave the Forbidden City.

Despite 14th's excellent care, Ruoxi's emotional anguish deeply affects her health, and she begs him to send a letter to 4th, requesting to see the emperor one last time before she dies. However, a misunderstanding between 4th and 14th causes the letter to be thrown aside unread. Ruoxi struggles to stay alive, but after three days, she concludes that 4th's absence confirms that his love for her has ended, and she dies. When news of Ruoxi's death reaches 4th, he rushes to 14th's house, regretting his actions after learning that Ruoxi still loved him.

 

And that was one big misunderstanding that happened in C-ver people... and a hell of noble idiocy from 4th.. (sorry for those who liked the c-version ending ).

 

I kind of have some speculation on how this K-ver Goryeo story is going to end: (WARNING! IT'S LONG!!)

Spoiler

Many episodes later, just like Ruoxi, Hae Soo will be a "secret wife" to Gwangjong. Everybody in the palace know her, but she isn't known by history and people because Wang So can't marry her (maybe one way he can be king and overthrow Yo's power is to marry YH and get supported by her powerful clan, but the clan will only help if he only have YH as his wife and queen and not marry anyone anymore, but because he already married to CP child, he made YH the 1st wife and CP child the 2nd wife, though he already have support from Kang Clan so I'm not sure. lol). If what you guys are saying is right about Wang So's and Hae Soo's love story being a parallel to the king's and Lady Oh's love story, then at some point Hae Soo wil be pregnant (kyaaaaa *praying to drama gods they're gonna show how sexy this gonna be*) and Yeon Hwa, being the jealous wife she is, will give some poison to Hae Soo, and made Hae Soo lost Wang So's child. Hearing this Wang So is so enraged but he doesn't have any evidence and the clans are supporting Yeon Hwa (she may become some queen who is soo powerful. I mean look at her ambition!) so if he goes against her, something bad will happen to him (maybe the clan's gonna overthrow him, or something). Hae Soo will tell Wang So that he doesn't have to worry, because she doesn't want him to shed anymore blood for her. 

Because I'm hoping there won't be any misunderstanding or noble idiocy, there are some possible things that can happen at this episode :

1. Seeing as how our heroine always slipped in front of Wang So, eventually Hae Soo will tell Wang So everything about her coming from the future and her liking Wook before. Wang So will be understanding as always and they're gonna have this sweet parallel to this episode's hugging&crying scene but the one crying is Hae Soo and the one hugging is Wang So

2. She already told Wang So everything from many episodes ago. And then it just me you vs. the world kind of thing.

3. She hasn't told Wang So anything. But Wang So being Wang So believed her anyway.

But then, something bad happened.. Remember Chae Ryung?

Spoiler

She is actually a spy of 9th in C-ver and (cmiiw) in that version everyone assumed that Ruoxi somehow involved in the plans to kill and overthrow 4th and 4th finally steamed her to death to save Ruoxi? Or something? I'm sorry it's too horrifying for me I can't read it right. LOL hope Wang So won't punish the poor girl too hard.

Using her somehow Gwangjong entourage and those clans and also YH will somehow put the blame on Hae Soo and keeps asking her to be executed. But Wang So being Wang So, stands firm and believed her. He won't let anyone put harm on her. Having no other choice the evil people will try to assassinate Hae Soo(maybe because of Hae Soo, Wang So won't come to the queen chamber because he come to Hae Soo's chamber every night.. pfftt). Maybe the 9th prince will revolt too and make the palace become a dangerous place. Wang So realizes that the palace isn't a safe place anymore for Hae Soo and ask Jung/Baek Ah to take Hae Soo far away from evil people, while Wang So will try to take care of all this mess in the palace. One thing Wang So doesn't know is that Hae Soo is already sick, but she still smile and said to him "See you soon". Then they sadly part way.

Hae Soo's health keep failing her but she can't call on Wang So because he has to take care of those mess in the palace. So she wait while keep trying to life longer for Wang So(I think this is not a noble idiocy). After some time Wang So comes and told Hae Soo she can finally go back to the palace. Hae Soo smiles and they start to do lovey dovey things again maybe in a garden while talking like they usually do. Maybe Hae Soo will lean on a tree and Wang So on her lap, or Wang So will lean on a tree with Hae Soo on his lap. What I wish to happen :

1. If Hae Soo already told him she came from the future I hope at this time she will tell him about how she hope he will be reincarnated and her hope about how they meet in the future, and how he will recognize her and remember her, and so does she.

2. If Hae Soo hasn't told him about the future I'm hoping she will tell him everything about how she came from the future. Telling him many things like there won't be war, there won't be caste in society and how everybody is equal, tall buildings, plane, and many other things.

Slowly but surely, Hae Soo will lost consciousness but Wang So just thought that she is asleep and joined her because he is sleepy. He doesn't know that she is actually dying. In her last breath, she feels happy seeing Wang So can take some rest with her, and she smile while her soul slowly drift to heaven.(gosh I wanted to cry writing this, I hope the writer won't let me down.. seeing how this writer can write dying scene beautifully, I hope all is well)

 

What do you think?

Actually, I really don't want a sad ending.. If it can't be helped that they will have a sad ending in Goryeo time.. then make them happy and have a baby in present time. Or something. Haha So, my conclusion is, if they gonna give us something sad, they should do it right and not do some noble idiocy or misunderstanding that's gonna ruin the beauty of their relationship. Okay, show? please? *fingers crossed*

Though, whatever they do this show already has a special place in my heart anyway, so I'm gonna be here till the end. Anyway thank you for those who read this.. This is a really long post.. Hahahaha

Oh, one more thing... I still can't speculate about what Wang Wook gonna do, I'm too Wang So biased.. haha.. maybe @solelylurking @dhia205 @junee22 @Yippeuni @Mona Ys @bim2 @hallyus @leekyuphii can help me?

[dwookie]

14 minutes ago, hrkharis said:

 

I mean, the man is WS but in the 21st century. His name change to be (maybe) Lee Joon Gi or Kim Wang So, or whatever (like HS's name in the 21st century is Go Ha Jin). He is not the son of a king, but he is the heir of a Big Company. As I said previously that they feel "Deja Vu". They will meet by accident and feel the same feelings that they have ever fall in love. For HS, she is clearly aware that handsome man in the 21st century is WS, while for that handsome man (WS in the 21th century), she is the girl who have been present in his dreams. Forgive me, my imagination moves wildly .... lol ..

 

This is actually the plot for Scarlet Heart 2 (Chinese Version) though I haven't really watched it.

Quote

An unfortunate car accident caused Zhang Xiao to dream about her unforgettable love with “Fourth Prince”. One fateful day, she meets a man who looks just like the “Fourth Prince” in her dreams. He is Yin Zheng, the stepson of Zhen Tian Corporation’s chairman. To find out what his relationship is to “Fourth Prince”, she finds work as a designer at Zhen Tian. Like any other ordinary newcomer to the business industry, Zhang Xiao is ostracised by her colleagues. Luckily, her superior Yin Zheng sees her as a talented worker and helps her avoid difficult situations. However, fate plays with her again. Just as she’s about to solve this mysterious riddle, an accident occurs, causing Zhang Xiao to lose her memory. Now with no more worries, Zhang Xiao works diligently at Zheng Tian. She gets to know Lan Lan, Yin Zheng’s supermodel girlfriend who looks just like her. Slowly, Yin Zheng and Zhang Xiao develop unspoken feelings for each other, but before it can progress any further, a gentle and considerate Kang Si Han enter's Zhang Xiao's world. It turns out that Yin Zheng, Kang Si Han, and Kang Si Yu are all potential successors of Zhen Tian Corporation. Zhang Xiao suddenly finds herself in the center of a power struggle. (Wikipedia)

 

[aypopa]

OK in history we know that WS will marry YH and his niece (Mu daughter ) but he will have 5 children and they all YH children 

he was sure busy with YH but like he don't like his niece or why he has children only with YH hahaha this is very sad for me i know he must have but YH ...YH and five is not like one or two hahahha 

 

[meahri_1]

10 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

That's what I am expecting too. In the episode 13, he even criticised Wang Wook for pretending to care about Hae Soo and turning his back on her each time!! He was already mad at him, when he was only thinking that Wang Wook was acting like a relative. Wang So is someone who can't forgive! This is the reason why Wang So will kill Wang Wook, but his decision will hurt Hae Soo because she is someone who is forgiving.

 

@bebebisous33 I love the way you think.   I'm actually waiting to see how this plays out. You're right that Wang So is someone who can't forgive, but he also knows that Soo doesn't want him to hurt anyone. Unfortunately, that also includes Wook.

That said, the confrontation Soo had with Wook may be a more of a game changer then it already was. Remember how shook up she was that Wook was using her to kill So. Soo having that knowledge now that Wook is intent on removing the obstacle that is So might just be the reason Soo will understand So's actions. Am thinking back to the words that So said to Soo before he confessed to stabbing/killing his hyung. "You may not forgive me, but you might understand".

EDIT: Just making this more clear so the rest of our chingu don't mistake what I'm trying to say. Soo knows that Wook wants to kill So. Even though So may not want to kill Wook (actually, he may want to after he finds out the extent of Wook's betrayal of Soo), he may end up killing Wook as he defends himself.

[sunshinefate]

Okay, only 1 night we almost reach 100 pages again and almost reach 1000 pages. Keep doing this, chingus! Let's make this thread 1500++ pages

[aparr]

20 minutes ago, aypopa said:

 

I will melt if this happens! anyone knows if this is just fan art or potential fan service?

Edited October 5, 2016 by LyraYoo
please do not quote images

[aypopa]

2 minutes ago, aparr said:

I will melt if this happens! anyone knows if this is just fan art or potential fan service?

is just art from someone who is very good i think  i like his HS WS paints 

[aparr]

You know what is the worst thing we will probably have to go through? Yeon Hwa actually getting everything she wanted, So, the throne, BUT writer forbids we see their children otherwise I will smash my screen. Nothing is worse than seeing the bad girl getting all her satisfaction. She will be the next Queen Yoo. At least we know that So will never love her.

 

[leejoongi1trash]

5 minutes ago, aypopa said:

OK in history we know that WS will marry YH and his niece (Mu daughter ) but he will have 5 children and they all YH children 

he was sure busy with YH but like he don't like his niece or why he has children only with YH hahaha this is very sad for me i know he must have but YH ...YH and five is not like one or two hahahha 

 

 

@aypopa I know right it's not one or two it's not even because he needed more heirs the first child was a son that was well and alive so why go all the way to five haha... maybe he found solace with her after HS death even though he never completely gave her his heart

[ruizaio]

I guess I'm glad to see that people here are still optimistic. Korean fans not so much. It's not just Wang So's character that's suffering from the director/writer's focus on Wang Wook. Other princes' stories have also been neglected or rushed. The actress of Chaeryung was sad to see many of her scenes were cut. The actor of the Crown Prince had said he would only appear for a short time and yet he's just become king. Wang Yo was supposed to be So's main rival in the fight for the throne, but now Wook is sharing that role as well. The stories of 10th-PSD and 13-WH could have been more spread out in the earlier episodes in conjunction with the Wook-Soo relationship, but were minimally added like an afterthought. While promotional materials and press release info display LJG as the male lead, the actual story shows more about the development of Wang Wook's character. What he's thinking, why he's changing, why he's reacting that way, etc., etc. K fans joke that this is Wook Lover instead of Moon Lovers. Wang So gets very few scenes that explain why he is the way he is (and even those scenes were later added in the Korean version because fans were angry), and the significance of his character derives mostly from LJG's superb acting performance. His important scenes don't have very many lines and even the few lines he has are... often cringeworthy in raw Korean. But then again, that problem isn't limited to just his lines, and this is something that doesn't really get translated over anyway. Then there are also inaccuracies in translations.

It reminds me of how I was disappointed when I ordered a Korean dish at a Chinese restaurant in the middle of podunk US. I was just happy to see it on the menu, but when it came out, I didn't recognize it. It was a good dish of its own right, but it was not what I expected. I guess the chef wasn't Korean and just made an adaptation of a Korean recipe with ingredients that were available to him already. Some ingredients were the same but prepared differently, while some of the spices used were totally different. If I had thought it was a new dish, I would have enjoyed it more, but because it was labeled as a favorite dish of mine, I felt something similar to being betrayed, offended, and cheated.

I never watched the C-version, and I don't think it should be a pre-requisite for watching MLSHR. While it is understandable that Wook-Soo relationship had to happen early in the show (and Korean fans familiar with the C-version did wait patiently at first), the Korean version also advertised that it would feature an intense fight for the throne among the princes, and at least Wang So's character (as well as other princes besides Wook) could have been given more screentime and development in that sense. Given the fact that Korean history has to go through 3 kings before Wang So finally becomes king, this side of the plot should have developed sooner than it did in the current version as it was hinted in the leaked scripts and synopsis. But instead, we saw an extensive love story between Wook and Soo (with an episode devoted to the departure of his wife) in the first half of the drama, and now things are rushed and explained through dialogues instead of actually showing things on screen. 

I will still keep watching because I want to see So and Soo together, even for a fleeting moment. I will probably still bring over news of the DVD/Blu-ray efforts, but at this point I'm not sure it will happen as not many people have volunteered and no one has come forward to lead the effort. Some Korean fans of LJG don't want the release because they think it would just be another ploy to use his name value to make more money for the production without actually delivering anything for his fans. I personally am hanging onto what IU said about shooting with LJG the most. 

 

[berny]

18 minutes ago, chi13lou said:

Don't forget about all the practice of LJK and IU for the back hugs and kisses!LOL

 

Oh yeah  ... that latest BTS for the scene with " I miss you" line ...he can practice/read out loud his lines even without actually back-hugging her.... but he still want the actual hug even if the camera is not yet rolling....

Ha ha ha ...LJK and his smooth moves..... sly much ? hahaha  

[hrkharis]

9 minutes ago, dwookie said:

 

This is actually the plot for Scarlet Heart 2 (Chinese Version) though I haven't really watched it.

 

 

Oh really? .... Surprise me .... I never read novel and watch the Scarlet Heart 1 and 2 Chinese version. I only watch "Moon Lovers Scarlet Heart  until episode 13,  Korean version". My imagination is probably because the story is common in Kdrama, where a simple girl meets a handsome man rich.

[larinalove]

14 minutes ago, qwenli said:

Love all the fan illustrations

But in order to protect myself, I am preparing myself for anything ep 12 was a rude shock to me.

 

Me too, I love fan illustrations, can't help imagining the scenes playing out like that in the drama but as you I am also a bit spent from hoping and not getting what I expected that I don't dare have high expectations anymore even now that we know we'll be getting the much awaited scenes.

You know, the funny thing is until I see Hae Soo returning the bracelet to Wook (it will probably be shown next week) and be absolutely resolute about rejecting him I won't enjoy the lovey/dovey scenes between our couple, I need her be over with him and I need to see it happening because yes we've been shown her losing the trust in him but I need to see her say "I won't ever get back to you" or something along those lines because I thought after the rain scene it was all over but we still had her somehow pinning for whatever reason, be it her needing closure or something else and her saying it will hurt her if WS hurts him and her asking WW to get away with her if he wants to (I know maybe it was to test him but still).

Maybe it's silly but I've had this WW-HS romance for so many episodes and they made seem it won't ever end so I need to see it end already and need to see it happen.

[Kasmic]

3 hours ago, hrkharis said:

 

I think positively about what PD said about "the journey will be sad, but there will be a happy ending".

Yes, HS's journey in the palace was very unpleasant for her. She got to experience the fear, the betrayal, the sadness and struggled to survive. She saw how the princes brothers, respectively, fought to seize the throne. She might see the death of one of the prince and her love story ended sadly. But the Writer Nim will bring this plot into a happy ending because HS will back into the 21st century and meet with her destiny, a handsome man who resembles Prince Wang-so. They are attracted to each other because they feel "Deja Vu".

 

Im sorry but how is that a happy ending?? if this drama ends like you've said and as it did like the cversion then I'll be flipping tables. I fell for the character of WS not the look-a-like WS of the present time whom I dont know and would I guess have to assume that not only his looks are like WS but his personality too. How can that be possible? I guess that's the drama aspect in believing that it will be possible because of "deja vu" but to me I would feel that Ive been fooled (again) or that Im kidding myself that such a possibility can ever happen. That aside, most importantly what about the real WS in that time period. Not to see HS ever again and like the c-version knowing that she died in such a sad state, he would/ did/ will be (see Im not sure which tense to use) living a life of regret - how is that a happy ending especially for him? My take is that 4th Prince found peace in assuming that she lived on in her time....maybe its me being wishful thinking but Im willing to do so to keep sane of what BBJX did to me. 

But I know, you cant change history. *sigh*- what have I got myself into? I shouldnt be as naive thinking/ hoping that this drama would be any different  and GOSH! I still enjoy this drama and still unsure how far my curiosity of the plot will lead me to or if my weak heart can take another rip. ARGHHHHH!!!! the joys of dramas. 

EDIT_ wow you posted this comment in p 976 and now its 3 pages up..... mian if I posted old news hahaha!

[Tang Soon]

19 minutes ago, dwookie said:

 

This is actually the plot for Scarlet Heart 2 (Chinese Version) though I haven't really watched it.

 

 

Dont watch that Scarlet Heart 2, it is just running on its original gravy train but not living up to its expectation.

[sunshinefate]

16 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

I guess I'm glad to see that people here are still optimistic. Korean fans not so much. It's not just Wang So's character that's suffering from the director/writer's focus on Wang Wook. Other princes' stories have also been neglected or rushed. The actress of Chaeryung was sad to see many of her scenes were cut. The actor of the Crown Prince had said he would only appear for a short time and yet he's just become king. Wang Yo was supposed to be So's main rival in the fight for the throne, but now Wook is sharing that role as well. The stories of 10th-PSD and 13-WH could have been more spread out in the earlier episodes in conjunction with the Wook-Soo relationship, but were minimally added like an afterthought. While promotional materials and press release info display LJG as the male lead, the actual story shows more about the development of Wang Wook's character. What he's thinking, why he's changing, why he's reacting that way, etc., etc. K fans joke that this is Wook Lover instead of Moon Lovers. Wang So gets very few scenes that explain why he is the way he is (and even those scenes were later added in the Korean version because fans were angry), and the significance of his character derives mostly from LJG's superb acting performance. His important scenes don't have very many lines and even the few lines he has are... often cringeworthy in raw Korean. But then again, that problem isn't limited to just his lines, and this is something that doesn't really get translated over anyway. Then there are also inaccuracies in translations.

It reminds me of how I was disappointed when I ordered a Korean dish at a Chinese restaurant in the middle of podunk US. I was just happy to see it on the menu, but when it came out, I didn't recognize it. It was a good dish of its own right, but it was not what I expected. I guess the chef wasn't Korean and just made an adaptation of a Korean recipe with ingredients that were available to him already. Some ingredients were the same but prepared differently, while some of the spices used were totally different. If I had thought it was a new dish, I would have enjoyed it more, but because it was labeled as a favorite dish of mine, I felt something similar to being betrayed, offended, and cheated.

I never watched the C-version, and I don't think it should be a pre-requisite for watching MLSHR. While it is understandable that Wook-Soo relationship had to happen early in the show (and Morean fans familiar with the C-version did wait patiently at first), the Korean version also advertised that it would feature an intense fight for the throne among the princes, and at least Wang So's character (as well as other princes besides Wook) could have been given more screentime and development in that sense. Given the fact that Korean history has to go through 3 kings before Wang So finally becomes king, this side of the plot should have developed sooner than it did in the current version as it was hinted in the leaked scripts and synopsis. But instead, we saw an extensive love story between Wook and Soo (with an episode devoted to the departure of his wife) in the first half of the drama, and now things are rushed and explained through dialogues instead of actually showing things on screen. 

I will still keep watching because I want to see So and Soo together, even for a fleeting moment. I will probably still bring over news of the DVD/Blu-ray efforts, but at this point I'm not sure it will happen as not many people have volunteered and no one has come forward to lead the effort. Some Korean fans of LJG don't want the release because they think it would just be another ploy to use his name value to make more money for the production without actually delivering anything for his fans. I personally am hanging onto what IU said about shooting with LJG the most. 

 

Well said, chingu. Those are the things I've been complaining about. The wook-soo relationship had taken almost 3/4 of the show like there are nothing important beside their story. Lee jun ki was the one that turned me into a Moon Lovers addict because of his outstanding acting. He's just that great. Really really great 

[aypopa]

16 minutes ago, leejoongi1trash said:

@aypopa I know right it's not one or two it's not even because he needed more heirs the first child was a son that was well and alive so why go all the way to five haha... maybe he found solace with her after HS death even though he never completely gave her his heart

but hi give her his body a lot of times  

[cmluv]

@qwenli i read it first from instagram and yet i asked the owner of the ig account and they said they get it from wikipedia. and i check there they are pretty sure written on wikipedia. do you think it's confirmed or they just put those information as if it's normal now every drama always has special edition? but then i read wikipedia again, those information about mlshr are up to date because they already put the newest ost on the list. how i really hope that those special edition is confirmed. 

[dwookie]

3 minutes ago, Tang Soon said:

 

Dont watch that Scarlet Heart 2, it is just running on its original gravy train but not living up to its expectation.

 

Thanks for the heads up hahaha @Tang Soon