[Drama 2012] Faith 신의

[Guest myphim]

farstrep said: myphim said: But that is what I don't get. After Choi Young perfect persuasion for not doing so. ( (
It does feel like a betrayal from Gongmin. (

What did JIS said later that made Gongmin changed his mind in such a short time?

[Guest farstrep]

@sia3: One word. Google. ) We'll do the searching for these animated gifs. You concentrate on treasure hunting for Faith goodies for us. That way, you've less to do.

@myphim: Luckily, he is a King. Had he been a commoner, he would have been ostracized with his constant "tests".

[Guest pandaeve]

Bow down @Guadi ^^ I'm reading ur post and just like @farstrep said, your deep thoughts on every scene is amused me. Thank u so much for sharing..shall I give u a hug? ><

Hai @sia3, I'm lurking since morning ) how is the migraine? Do u need youngspirin? Or higher dose like kisspirin?

[mademoisellesia]

credit to YUL

[Guest myphim]

farstrep said: @Hanjae: Opps! I didn't mean you to crack your head open over Eum Ja. That's simply too little information on him to go on.

EDIT:

@myphim: Where are you? Why have you suddenly gone quiet? As with @Yuuni?

@sia3: Didn't you have a migraine yesterday? It developed into something more serious? What are you still doing here? Get to bed and rest.

[vangsweetie637]

hi Faith-lings! I'm back and of course, eating late dinner while chatting with you all )
hi @Hanjae @farstrep @myphim @sia3 @WutHmone @azzuri @Yuuni (are you still here? ) @guadi (are you still here too? ) @kappy (are you still here as well? ) @bee_ipa @pandaeve @Gukja (are you here yet? ) @everyone

[Guest farstrep]

@myphim: Eum Ja does have opinions of his own but he's a tad lazy to make them known, preferring instead to follow Go Cheol's plan and take his instructions. He has no need to air his opinions anyway, since Gi Cheol has very logical, well thought out plans. However, when Gi Cheol slowly becomes engulfed by his obsession with the Heavens, Eum Ja starts to express himself more often.

@sia3: Thanks for sharing those goodies. The music is lovely. :x

@kappy: Finally, I meet you online. Hello! :-h

@vangsweetie637: Hello! :-h You're back!! :-*

@WutHmone: It's no use lurking. I see you!! :-h )

[Yuuni]

Wouah ! You guys are being too insighful for me. My brain is frying just by reading you. )

@ myphim : If what you said was cheesy, then what about all my cheesy posts ?! I should hide in embarrassment )

Thanks for your thoughts @ pandavae @ farstrep @ myphim @ sia3 @ guadi and @ Hanjae. I liked them all !

I'll finish to read you tomorrow.

BOBO :-*

[Guest Hanjae]

@guadi! =D> I'm glad @sia3 decided to crack your brain for the greater good.

Welcome back @vangsweetie637!

@farstrep - Don't worry, I love challenges. ) Things are boring when they're too easy and the villains haven't been very much discussed anyway, so they're definitely worth a look.

Anyway, I've been giving some thought to your question about Eum Ja. I'm really glad that you brought it up - I had never given him a second glance before, but the more I think about him the more intriguing a character he becomes. Hwa Soo In was given considerably more development in the drama in comparison to Eum Ja and thus appeared more layered, but Eum Ja is actually much harder to understand. On the surface, the character of Cheon Eum Ja appears to be fairly straightforward. He cared about little else aside from his sworn siblings and seems to be emotionally detached from everything around him to the point where killing people does not faze him.

Despite Eum Ja being on the side on the villains, however, I find it interesting that in a cast of characters that have fairly black and white motivations - they are either good guys or bad guys - Eum Ja by himself would probably stand somewhere in the middle. Due to his emotional detachment, he seems to be strangely on the fence; he does not enjoy killing people, but he would not be distressed over killing them, either. It is simply something he does out of loyalty to Ki Chul and Hwa Soo In; their wishes and well-being are his own. This almost has the effect of dehumanizing him when you think about it that way, doesn't it? It makes me wonder what he would have been like if Ki Chul and Hwa Soo In had chosen to use their powers for good rather than evil.

That's not to say that Eum Ja has no capacity for individual thought. Looking back, it's interesting to note that Eum Ja's reaction showed brief hesitation when Ki Chul ordered him to attack Choi Young in Episode 5, despite knowing that it would kill their own soldiers as well. Ki Chul's decisions later on in the drama also evoked increasing displeasure from Eum Ja and he went as far as to quietly voice his disapproval. I guess the bottom line, however, is that his loyalty to his siblings remained his sole priority; whatever thoughts he might have entertained, they did not register on the scale of importance. That's the greatest difference between Eum Ja and other characters - he focuses all his energy and emotion onto his closest and dearest and has a strange ability to switch everything off when he comes into contact with anyone else. Perhaps that is his self-defense mechanism?

Because of this behaviour, it would be easy to regard Eum Ja as something akin to a loyal pet or intelligent robot, but I think there are brief flashes that hint at hidden depth to this character. This remains merely a theory because the drama didn't give us much to work with, but there are two incidents that made me consider whether he's truly incapable of feeling emotions outside of any connections to his siblings, and both are related to Eun Soo.

1. Eum Ja's warning to Eun Soo that if she wanted Choi Young to be allowed to live, Ki Chul will kill him, and vice versa. It is obvious that Ki Chul had sent him to get Eun Soo's answer. However, Eum Ja's explanation seemed to go beyond what Ki Chul had actually required him to say - one could almost mistake it as a friendly warning to Eun Soo.

2. Eum Ja offers a handkerchief to Eun Soo when she is physically sick from watching him and Hwa Soo In dispose of officials on Gongmin's "good" list. It is an action that suggests compassion and is extremely intriguing coming from Eum Ja. Despite Ki Chul's orders that Eun Soo must not be harmed but only threatened into submission, there was no need for Eum Ja to do anything of the sort; Eun Soo was obviously reacting only from the fear and was in no danger.

I wouldn't go as far as to suggest that Eum Ja felt anything for Eun Soo, but I do think she piqued his curiosity enough for him to react with less detachment than he might usually have. This opens up the possibility that Eum Ja, closed off as he is, can be reached by people outside of Ki Chul and Hwa Soo In, albeit with extreme effort and careful manipulation. It is also significant to note that Eum Ja lacks the inherent viciousness and malice that lies in Ki Chul and Hwa Soo In. His moral compass might be broken, but perhaps he has a higher chance of displaying positive human emotion because he has no wish to do harm.

Tl;dr because I'm not thinking too clearly right now. )

[mademoisellesia]

Yuuni said: Wouah ! You guys are being too insighful for me. My brain is frying just by reading you.
@ myphim : If what you said was cheesy, then what about all my cheesy posts ?!
Thanks for your thoughts @ pandavae @ farstrep @ myphim @ sia3 @ guadi and @ Hanjae. I liked them all !
I'll finish to read you tomorrow.
BOBO

[vangsweetie637]

ah, @Hanjae (auntie Han Solo): Since you are here, I have a gift for you. I already gave our dear @guadi hers. Now, it is yours. Now, the gift is simple. It's for our Faith Philosophers here. I see that the gals worked all your brains very hard..so, a reward is very much needed
@Hanjae: THIS ONE IS YOURS )

I won't bite =)) 

 

[mademoisellesia]

@farstrep
I got the shockwave flash to work now!!!! Hurray!!!!!
But then now I need to figure how to get the link...
@Maja, I borrowed the link you shared last night....
Thanks for sharing dear...

[Yuuni]

@sia3 : I'm speaking nonsense now ? T.T

[Guest myphim]

Yuuni said: Wouah ! You guys are being too insighful for me. My brain is frying just by reading you.

@ myphim : If what you said was cheesy, then what about all my cheesy posts ?! I should hide in embarrassment

Thanks for your thoughts @ pandavae @ farstrep @ myphim @ sia3 @ guadi and @ Hanjae. I liked them all !
I'll finish to read you tomorrow.

BOBO

[vangsweetie637]

@farstrep: Auntie Far Star How can I forget you? You are our philosopher as well ) HERE IS YOURS, ESPECIALLY )

Let's play rough tonight =))  

 

[Yuuni]

@myphim : Aish.. You little brat, I'll catch you one day ! è__é

Edit : @vangsweetie637 : You're friend scared me ! O_O

[Guest farstrep]

@vangsweetie637: That's a scary gift.

@Hanjae: Thank you for answering my question. Let me digest it and I'll get back to you. What's tl;dr, by the way?

@Yuuni: Night night jub jub!! :x

[Guest myphim]

Yuuni said: @myphim : Aish.. You little brat, I'll catch you one day ! è__é

Edit : @vangsweetie637 : You're friend scared me ! O_O

[vangsweetie637]

@farstrep: awwww...I wasn't suppose to scare you. Sorries. Here, take this gift instead

Sorry. I didn't mean to scare you. Come here.

 

[mademoisellesia]

Yuuni said: @sia3 : I'm speaking nonsense now ? T.T