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2 hours ago, Sarang21 said:
I just want him to eventually find his own happiness and peace.
Yeah that’s me too.
He can exist without DO. He has family and obligations. HR can’t exist without her. So personally I don’t know why they are so uptight in the thread about his “redemption”. They want to crucify him. Frankly I think they are all just pissed at the writer and they have no one else to take it out on other than his poster boy BK. All good, it’s ending tonight. BK’s character has already been put to bed for me. I just want to see how long the writer draws out the HR/DO love line tonight and if he/she will feed the fan girl frenzy with more OTP moments.
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21 minutes ago, Sejabin said:
Sorry packmule mama wkwkwkwkwkkwkwkwkkkwwkkwk
I am gonna tell Packmule to materialize here to prove that she’s not an asexual amoeba.
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@Sushimi O....YSH scored if she says yes. I am not sure about the plot though... it’s a webtoon? With supernatural elements? I am always a bit tentative about webtoons. EY was a webtoon but it had a novel concept. Some translate well. Others not so well. Item (webtoon) was a fail. I will tune in to see if it’s any good.
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@triplem I think Soompi already did
I can’t link to the article for some reason on my iPad.
EDiT
https://www.soompi.com/article/1367027wpp/lee-joon-hyuk-confirmed-to-lead-new-mbc-time-slip-drama
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He’s confirmed
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10 minutes ago, Lawyerh said:
I would say Rowoon still better actor than Cha Eun Woo
I agree. Definitely better. It’s a credible attempt for his first outing as main lead. I hope it doesn’t typecast him into perfect boyfriend type roles in the future. We’ll see how he fares in his next project.Quotenrllee i like your writing about Haru as an unreal boyfriend. Indeed he is
He has no voice of his own. He does everything SHE wants. He obeys her every command. He lives for her. He never says “no” to her. He’s never too busy for her. She even named him. She calls, and he answers. Didn’t you notice he had this ethereal halo about him from the beginning? The stained glass window, the guardian angel references. He only gained a face after she began to look for him. She imagined him into existence. He’s an ideal. Every woman’s ideal boyfriend. 866
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10 minutes ago, Sejabin said:
HARU IS STILL MY LEUF
yes he is very beautiful. I love his character too. HR is the one to emulate. He’s perfect. But he’s not real. His whole character set up is not real...he exists purely because of DO. He came to life because DO willed him to existence in Secret. That’s why he only cares about her happiness and lives for her alone. He has no familial or societal expectations of him. He lives in the school library and does whatever he wants with no consequences. I know of no one in reality who has that kind of set up. He exists purely as an ideal in everyone’s minds. The perfect boyfriend. Everyone wants a HR as a bf. So Don’t be sad. Continue to live in your heavenly HR world.
Packmule exists outside in her blog and visits sometimes. She prefers to write there. Her articles are much too long for posts here. Thought provoking and interesting.
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10 hours ago, Sarang21 said:
I'm pro Baek Kyung too and that's why I'm keeping my distance from the thread of the drama
You should join me...the sole voice of reason in that thread. But yes definitely just lurk and read if you don’t want to engage in debates. It’s hostile in there and anyone who even dares to make BK out to be a person of any worth is likely to be shouted down. In their eyes he’s irredeemable. And that’s a testament to how good LJW is. Had he been any worse of an actor, fan girls wouldn’t have jumped for the jugular every time he shows even the least bit of humanity...it reflects their insecurity. I am not pro BK though and I understand that OTP is DO and HR...but LJW is definitely the better actor. Don’t be put off by the fan girls in EY thread, the PD knows LJW is the better actor...that’s why he gave the part to LJW even though Rowoon auditioned for the part of BK. PD focuses the camera on his (LJW) facial expressions constantly. He knows LJW will give him the emotions required for the scenes. He has confidence in LJW’s acting. Rowoon is very pretty to look at but he’s much like Cha EunWoo to me...just drop dead gorgeous to look at, but breadth of acting is lacking. Rowoon has a way to go. LJW is the star to watch for the future. And the fact that he can do BOTH good and bad roles makes him very versatile. The scene last night when he said his farewell to DO was the only scene I cried. And that wasn’t because I even liked BK as a character. It was purely LJW’s acting. It has many tones...and it’s beautiful to watch.For an in-depth blow by blow analysis of their acting... go here. Packmule3 has done a wonderful analysis of LJW.
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It’s a testament to LJW and his portrayal of BK that so many were moved to tears in that farewell scene.
Bittersweet. A beautiful goodbye. Well done LJW. Well done. Sleep now and reawaken to a better BK in the next comic. Or next drama. . Tonight beckons and I am sure our OTP (HR/DO) will appear in new comic and find each other again. Surely they have proven their worth to the writer and he/she will give them a straightforward love line together without the angst.
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Ironically, this episode left me Team HR on stage, but Team BK in the shadow. I only wept in this parting scene of BK and DO...in spoiler below.
SpoilerIronically this is the scene that I wept. DO returns the ring to BK (in the shadow) apologetically. He scoffs as he takes it.
BK (whispers almost inaudibly) – Go.
DO hesitates and looks visibly upset knowing how much this would hurt him.
BK (repeats) – just go.
DO stands her ground.
BK (stands up from his chair, approaches her and says with a pained look on his face) – Back then and even now, I’m like a Monster to you.
(DO turns to walk away. She pauses and turns back and then says in tears)
DO – at least for the Eun DanOh of Secret, you weren’t like that. We were 2 characters who existed only for the sake of the main characters. You were Baek Kyung of A3, the wounded and mean guy, and I’m a terminally ill girl who had a crush on you. They were cliches. But we’re the only ones who knew how cruel and sad this is. We’re just these characters that the writer created, but we’re just DO and BK before our characters. BK, that’s why the Eun DanOh of Secret wants to thank you. The Eun DanOh of TF forgives you. These are only characters the writer created.
(She extends her hand to him... LJW’s face said it all…the build up of emotions as she speaks to him, culminating in a crescendo as the floodgates open- it was beautifully done…the PD obviously knew he could emote, the camera pans in on his expressions right through her speech)
DO – I hope you can become the real BK just like how I found the real me.
(He takes her extended hand of reconciliation and smiles through his tears…ah bittersweet but O so good). Arguably the BEST scene in the episode.
Further thoughtsSpoilerBK was the selfless one this episode. Finally giving her up and standing aside for HR to take his place. It’s all about choices. He chose right this episode. He chose NOT to kiss her...even though he could’ve and she wouldn’t have known better (she expected it really
). Gallant and noble. Bravo.
@Jillia DanOh thanks BK because he let her go. He could’ve kept her but he gave up his spot for HR to spend his last moments with her. She noted that it was BK who replied to her text but HR showed up so she put 2 and 2 together. That’s why she thanked him. She understood how much it cost him. As for your expose about redemption...if you look carefully at the scene above...it has all the salient points. Acknowledgement (I am a monster). He didn’t even ask for forgiveness (which means he didn’t expect to get it, he didn’t think he deserved to get it because of how much he has wronged her), DO offers it to him of her own volition. And with her hand of reconciliation, he takes it as he weeps. True repentance.
As for those who say his redemption arc is weak, well, it’s all about changes isn’t it? It matters little where you have come from but eventually if that epiphany happens, it’s a turning point nonetheless. And this all came about from his own self reflection so he worked it out himself and internalized it. It’s a shift in the right direction. Just because someone is nasty and narcissistic suddenly decides to make a change, do we knock them down and say, “not good enough. You were so bad, you need to do so much good now to make up for it so until you do that, you’re still bad.” Or do we say, “good job. Keep going.” Redemption is a process. It takes a long time to unlearn bad habits and thought processes. The journey of 1000 miles begins with one step. The path to redemption is the same. DO even forgave BK of TC...that’s the right response. I applaud her for that. Our world would be a better place if we would offer encouragement to those trying to change rather than shutting them down at every opportunity because we see them as irredeemable. So yes, for some they say “too little too late” in the context of the drama, but just as this drama is about moving onto another comic and another, the BK of the next comic would be a slightly better man. With each iteration he’s better. The reincarnation trope. But even DO acknowledges that it’s a process. She wished that BK would one day find the real BK. It’s one of growth. Does he have a long way to go? Yes. Baby steps. But definitely baby steps in the right direction. Any other actor I would probably have just said, “whatever” but LJW was stellar in his performance and moved me. The camera loves him. I look forward to his future works.
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34 minutes ago, rosierosie said:
812, after watching The Untamed; my heart is heavy, but warm :).
I thought about starting it but it’s got so many episodes? I don’t know if I will have the time and patience to watch for so long.810
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@triplem @Jillia maybe put a friendly reminder up in the Extraordinary You thread that only 3 pics are allowed per post and the rest go in a spoiler? My browser is having a hard time coping. Some newbies have been posting a lot of pics/gifs/videos in last few pages... no big deal, I think they are just enthusiastic about finale week. TIA.
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He’s back!!! Ooo I like the sound of this...on OCN... please pair him with an actress I like.
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@larrysouth ever the peacemaker
. I don’t think anyone took your comments that seriously. No harm done. HR is definitely the one to emulate with regards to how to treat your woman. You sound much like a man who does right by his wife (from the little anecdotes that you’ve shared). More power to you living HR-like in real life. -
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1 hour ago, celebrianna said:
I hope you don’t mean that the way Haru treats Danoh is otherworldly
1 hour ago, celebrianna said:Also relevant is that Haru doesn’t have a full setup with home, family, etc like the others. He doesn’t even belong in Secret initially. So then of course his existence is entirely connected to Danoh instead which I think is the story that the drama is trying to tell.
When I reference HR as otherworldly, this is what I mean. He’s like the Little Prince. Naive, childlike, untainted by the world. So he behaves like someone who is unconventional. He loves DO just as purely. Which is why he comes across as an ideal. He’s totally a person of DO’s imaginings. Probably why he came to existence in Secret when she named him. Entirely connected to her now and forever...fated to meet and fall in love. It’s their story. BK was always a minor detour.-
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8 hours ago, taskdramafanatic said:
dan oh saw she died in the story board thus she would have died in stage had haru not changed the stage. you knoe what happens when someone dies in stage they die forever, haru saved dan oh's life but it costed him to lose her in the shadow.
And if we go with this plot line, what we have seen in the drama is that the writer always gets what he/she wants in the end (if the writer planned for her to die on stage from the start, then changing the files meant she dies in the shadow in the interim but eventually will die on stage as well). We have seen that no matter what they try to do to change the scene, they only succeed in delaying it. The proposal scene with the ring...just moved on to another stage setting later. So if it plays like JMC’s fate in TC (where his lover dies in the shadow first and then the stage later so he suffers twice for her “death”), then DO may well still die in Secret on the stage? That would explain why in the Previews she’s seen to collapse and HR carries her off (unless that was a replay of the earlier episode where he took her watch band off and swapped it with SaeMi). Does she die on the Secret stage regardless?
If on the other hand, the writer never really intended for DO to die, we were all sold this idea because DO kept thinking she was and the storyboard she saw in her mind seemed to imply this...did she flatline there? Or was it just staged so it looked like all was lost but we didn’t actually see her die/flatline in her flash forward. I need to rewatch that to confirm. If the writer never intended for her to die on the stage and DO was just preempting it because she kept getting negative messages from her doctor, then her shadow death was unnecessary because the writer intended for her to survive and get better from the surgery.
It all hinges on what the writer wanted for DO from the start.
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3 hours ago, larrysouth said:
Is it just me or is everyone else becoming just a little bit tired of Ha-Ru's perfection? He sets nigh impossible standards of appearance, kindness and consideration. How can us mortal men compete with that when it comes to our women
Which is why I always said his character seems otherworldly. Like a guardian angel. Faultless and therefore not realistic. But he is the ideal to aspire towards. Character growth wise he has had the least development in the drama. DO and BK have had the most. For those who experience angst from watching possible BK/DO scenes for the final episodes, maybe do what I do when I feel the same I don’t watch live and read spoilers afterwards, then I fast forward scenes and only watch the ones I want to watch to save me heartache. Works a charm.
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20 minutes ago, Jillia said:
If you want to hate someone then it's Kyung who was willing to kill Dan Oh. And his apologists can say what they want... a few seconds or a minute without oxygen can be very damaging to a comatose patient like Dan Oh. So he is definitely not without fault.
No but both men held the blade. Had HR not changed the files, she wouldn’t have been in that state in the hospital in the shadow. So you could argue that unconsciously or not, HR put her in danger by switching the files. She needed that surgery. But yes, BK took her mask off for that time so he was at fault too. Both had a hand in killing her (metaphorically)...just like both men held the hilt of the sword in TC. Both are at fault for her death in the shadow in Secret, I think that was what the drama was implying. But yes, if you feel the need to take it out on someone, then BK is the obvious target. He was set up as an antagonist to be hated from the get go so I am sure he wouldn’t mind more of it going his way. If nothing at all, I think the fact that there is so much hate coming his way is an indication of his great acting. It can only be helpful to build the breadth of his acting resume. It’s a lot harder to play a villain than it is a straight up good guy. No wonder he got accepted to play alongside Park MinYoung and Seo KangJoon in his next project. I am looking forward to that one.
I can’t see the writer not giving HR/DO their happy ending eventually in some form or another. It’s just a matter of how long they will draw out the angst. Not long to wait now.
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24 minutes ago, taskdramafanatic said:
BK: It was the fake you. if i want to keep the fake you with me then I'm really a monster.
BK (to haru): my stage with dan oh will start. you go there instead of me .
DO: beak kyung, secret's eun dan oh thanks you.
O that looks to be the turnaround for BK. Redemption by finally letting DO go. Giving up his part of the stage for understudy HR to step in? Thanks for the translation @taskdramafanatic. So don’t worry HR/DO shippers, BK will exit stage right in the end. Although maybe not before he shares sweet moments with DO to remember her by.-
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It looks like sweet scenes with BK and maybe even a kiss.
Secret is playing out like the original plot. She said yes on stage in the last episode when BK proposed. HR may not get his girl till Thu finale then in a new comic?
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Disclaimer - I have not watched, but have read some segments.
@bedifferent’s post on Camellias had me thinking...and then there was that cryptic voiceover (?) with the son’s words “My mother’s miraculous spring days ended just like that, and I grew up under those kind of spring days”
Camellias bloom in primarily in autumn/early winter. Usually when my Camellias bloom, they tell me autumn is around the corner and we’re finally saying goodbye to summer. And as @bedifferent has mentioned, they are really hardy failsafe plants where I live...unlike my roses.
who have to be mollycoddled (fed just right) and protected from weeds, insects, fungal attacks (you name it, they’ll get it).
Title of this drama is When the Camellias Bloom...so now that spring is over, there needs to be a summer (waiting/parting) before the Camellias bloom in autumn (reunion of the OTP). Don’t know. Taking a quick stab at it now that the ending is nigh
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9 hours ago, triplem said:
We discourage consecutive posting but when threads are so quiet , we sometimes overlook it . So what we do is allow consecutive posts after an hour.
So this consecutive rule is only waived if the thread is quiet? No consecutive posts if the thread is buzzing? Or is that a Mod’s discretion thing?Quote@nrllee You didn't watch "The Dark Knight" with Heath Ledger? That role blasted him into eternity. His joker is legendary. It wasn't Dark Comedy per se, but how he displayed the joker had a very dark touch of humor.
Is that the one with Christian Bale in it? Then yes I have watched it. Heath’s Joker was definitive. I could actually see someone with a real life persona like that. And that’s creepy. No longer comic book character (virtual) but serial killer Hannibal potential (reality). I recall hubby telling me after we watched it that it was the closest portrayal of the original intent of the writer of the comic for all the characters. I took his word for it because I never did get into comics.
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He can exist without DO. He has family and obligations. HR can’t exist without her. So personally I don’t know why they are so uptight in the thread about his “redemption”. 
They want to crucify him. Frankly I think they are all just pissed at the writer and they have no one else to take it out on other than his poster boy BK. 
confirmed? Now all you need is for NJH to confirm too. I can’t see her saying no to him.
Secret is playing out like the original plot. She said yes on stage in the last episode when BK proposed. HR may not get his girl till Thu finale then in a new comic?
who have to be mollycoddled (fed just right) and protected from weeds, insects, fungal attacks (you name it, they’ll get it).
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