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  1. Ep16

     

    Highlights

    - With HJ’s reveal, the repercussions are huge and we are shown (rightly so) that these decisions are never easy.  They are fraught with difficulties and you will doubt as to whether you made the right decision in the first place.  I like the realism in this drama.  - - For HJ, when she told YS what she was going to do, YS begged her not to reveal it.  It could just be kept secret.  Then she wouldn’t have to go through life being labeled a “rapist’s daughter”.  She sounded like her father.  But for HJ’s part, she stood firm.  She realized that in the long run, the truth is what will set you free.  That her daughter needed to learn the lesson of standing for truth and not hiding in the shadows for expediency’s sake.  Because these secrets will always eat at you.  They keep you up at night and they will never let you live a truly authentic life.  HJ’s act of courage inspired others to do the same.  SB reported JD to the Police.  YS’s friend at school spoke to her mom about what she knew about her dad’s affair.  

    - NJD tried to take his own life but was saved by HJ.  She berated him for being selfish right to the end.  Telling him he should face this like a man rather than just run away (by taking his own life) and leave the living to deal with the guilt and consequences.  NJD turned himself into police.  He was to be tried.  HJ visited him in prison and issues divorce papers.  She leaves him with JH’s journal from when he was a child.  In it, JH had written, “I want to be a kind and honest person.  And I want to make the world a better place.”  He weeps when he reads that.  

    - YJ’s identity was protected to some degree but I think the truth did eventually come out (by the blabber mouth employee of hers at the restaurant who was disgruntled because she was sacked for stealing money from the till).

    - SB gave HJ a stack of photos of JH that she had on her phone and told her that JH still loved her very much.  And that he had vowed he would never break her heart again before his untimely demise.  He ate up all the tofu that HJ gave him after she picked him up from jail.  SB looks to be an apprentice of HJ’s at the book restoration.  As a sign that their relationship is repaired, HJ notices that JH’s journal in the Columbarium is has a ripped page.  So she takes it back to her studio and lovingly repairs it, before giving it to NJD to read whilst he is waiting for his trial in prison.  JD was finally caught by police and he was going to trial for extortion.
    - We get the full reveal of what happened between WJ and JH at the Han River.  JH had planned to be found by police with the drugs on him so that he would ruin his dad’s political career.  After he threw the drug into the river, WJ turned around, walked to the car.  In that time, JH had left his phone under his umbrella to head into the water to retrieve it.  When WJ looked to see if JH had followed him, he was gone.  So he got into the car, and started to drive off (this is why the dashcam footage didn’t include the next bit because the car wasn’t facing the river).  WJ sees JH struggling in the water.  He gets out of the car and then remembers how JH threatened to ruin NJD, so he didn’t jump into the water to help him and instead just watched him go under.  He picked up the umbrella that JH had left by the bank of the river but didn’t see the phone which was left there.  WJ never tells anyone about this little detail.  He’s left to live with this guilt for the rest of his life. 
    - the end featured HJ at her shop.  On the pinboard there’s a pic of the 4 ladies - HJ, YJ, YS and SB sitting together happily together.  
     

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    I love how this drama wrapped up the moral of the story.  The Trolley dilemma was explored well and the quandaries a person faces is also presented realistically.  The right thing to do will always be the right thing to do.  It starts with the individual doing the right thing in the first place.  Courage under fire doesn’t have to look like a politician making grandiose promises on a stage, more often than not, it’s a quiet Ahjumma who finds her voice and stands her ground on the side of truth and integrity.  

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  2. Highlights from Ep15

     

    - YJ was raped by NJD 5 years ago.  
    - SH overheard the whole story when YJ relayed it to HJ at the hospital.  She’s threatened to reveal it publicly if HJ doesn’t retract her statement about her brother raping her all those years ago.

    - SB and JH misinterpreted the conversation they overheard.  JH thought his dad was having an affair because the thought never crossed his mind that he was capable of sexual assault.

    - SH’s mother and Assemblyman Kang’s land deal speculation has come under scrutiny and investigation due to KY’s evidence.

    - NJD pleads with HJ and YJ on separate occasions to keep silent so as to get the bill across.  Gas lighting is his forte.  I cannot believe he would use YS against HJ but he does.  The man has no morals.  And he sees his role in proposing the law (and making the world a better place) as his “atonement”.  That somehow, in helping the world become a better place, he can assuage the guilt of his failings in the past.  The sexual assault, the lies, the cover ups.  
    - SB finds out the real story and overhears NJD begging YJ to keep the assault quiet.  She films it on her phone but is intercepted by WJ who deletes the video. 
    - HJ meets up with Chairwoman Woo and tells her everything and speaks of her quandary.  Woo tells her that she’s certain that NJD would bring about a great deal of good to the world if she stays silent.  But she understands her dilemma.  And leaves it up to her to decide.  (Macro level)
    - SB, HJ and YJ in hospital room.  SB spells it out to HJ on the Micro level.  HJ lied about JH (and he now getting slandered online with others claiming that he sexually assaulted them too) being a rapist.  And covered up for NJD who is the real sexual predator.  And all of the people who know now have the burden of keeping this “secret” whilst the perpetrator NJD is living his best life (totally believing that he’s absolved from his crime because he’s making up for it by doing good <_<).

    - HJ faces the media at a Press Con at the end of the ep.  She goes off script and reveals the truth.  JH never sexually assaulted anyone.  And NJD did 5 years ago.  
     

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    I hope that’s what really happened.  And that last scene with the press is not us seeing a “dream” of HJ’s.  The truth should always win.  You should not suppress the truth by believing that letting one man go scot free can be justified by presuming that it means all the “future” rapists would therefore be brought to justice.  Lady Justice is blind folded for that very reason.  It’s one law for all.  NJD’s duplicity is astonishing and downright nauseating.  Because he ultimately believes himself to be righteous.  It was a “mistake”.  How does that make YJ feel?  Do what I say but don’t do what I do?  Authenticity is required for any cause.  If you cannot walk the talk then the talk is meaningless.

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  3. 1 hour ago, chickfactor said:

    I think Yeo-jin stayed in this house because she really cares about Hye-ju. I think she wanted Hye-ju to never find out what a monster her husband is, and if Yeo-jin left, Hye-ju would wonder why and ask questions. Or maybe she wanted to protect Hye-ju from Joong-do - she didn't want to leave Hye-ju alone in that house with her monster husband.

     

    I think that's why she lied and told Hye-ju that she was having an affair with Joong-do. Because even though that is horrible, the truth would be worse.


    I agree.  I think we need to hear the full conversation that SB and JH only overheard bits of?  Why did NJD come home in the middle of the day to talk to YJ?  What was so urgent?  I don’t think it was going to be a lover’s tryst now that we know what happened 5 years ago.  It wasn’t about JH because he only got the phone call from JH later that night?  
     

    1 hour ago, chickfactor said:

    A lot of k-netz are complaining about this show - that it doesn't pay to be a good person like Hye-ju because people just take advantage of you and betray you. However, I think we will also eventually see that the people she treated well - Yeo-jin and Su-bin - will be the ones in her corner at the end.


    Err…so they think it’s better to be a bad person then?  Thing is though, even if you are taken advantage of and betrayed, you have a clear conscience.  In the end you sleep better.  The right thing to do will always be the right thing to do.  Even if the person you treat kindly ends up stabbing you in the back.  It pays to be kind.  Otherwise you always live with a cloud over your head eg like YJ (who needed therapy) or run the risk of losing it all like NJD or become bitter and twisted like SH and her mom.  
     

    I think JH drowned.  Unless he swam downstream away from WJ and then surfaced somewhere where he met JD again and then was had an altercation.  Car dashcam footage didn’t show anyone else in the vicinity.  And there was no sign of injury or otherwise from the autopsy.  JH had drunk a lot beforehand (he had a high alcohol reading in his blood from the autopsy).  So it wouldn’t surprise me if he drowned after diving in for the drugs.  I just find it implausible that he would’ve found them again after tossing them in the flowing river.  And to be conscious enough to shove it into his pocket.  

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  4. 3 hours ago, forumsoomp said:

    It's weird that the 2 couples SS & MK and SY & JH broke up & parted like enemies.


    I don’t think SS and MK parted as enemies.  They parted on good terms (as well as it could be given the circumstances).  They said goodbye.  He took her to the airport.  So there were “no hard feelings” (if you can ever say that about any break up).  MK didn’t run away.  Neither did SS.  They faced each other.  Talked it out and said their apologies.  There was resolution for them.  So even if they met each other at a wedding at a later date, they wouldn’t have needed to have any questions left that needed answers to.

     

    I would say SY and JH parted as “enemies”.  She couldn’t face him again.  Again JH was the one who moved to bridge that gap in resolution.  He completed his last promise to her (by saluting) and from his end, he in good conscience could say he’s forgiven her/moved on with his life.  Not because she’s asked for it, but because to harbour such a grudge against someone is damaging to your own self.  You only hurt yourself by believing that every pretty girl that comes along later is going to be a b——?  It’s the same for SS.  He’s sort of moved on as well and forgiven her.  Both men had to figure this out all on their own.  Without her input.  Without her explanation as to why she did what she did.  She just expected them to “deal with it” and work it out on their own.  So kudos to them for moving on from hate to acceptance and love in spite of her.  That’s why in that final conversation walking up the Hill in ep16 when SY asked

     

    SY - have you ever wondered how things would’ve been different if you made a different decision? 
    (she asks this because she’s the one with the regrets.  She made zero effort)

     

    SS - whoever was deeper in love has no lingering thoughts like that.  Only the one who ran away has regrets.  

    (that’s why SS can come to this resolution.  He knew he was the one who gave it a good go.  He TRIED his best.  He stood his ground and kept trying with her.  But each time, she ran away.  That’s why she has regrets.  He has none.  His conscience is clear)

     

    SY - I remember you bawling because you liked me so much. (This is why I get mad at her.  Why is she saying this in response?  She seemed surprised that he had no regrets?  She couldn’t believe that she was the only one with regrets and wondering “what if” all the time.  So she reminds him that from her perspective, he was the one crying for her attention so surely he had some regrets (even after 4 years) that he let her slip through his fingers? <_<  It’s as if her ego won’t let her believe that she’s the only one wondering)

     

     

    SS - what?  I never did that!  I never went that far.  After you left, there was a time where I wondered every day.  (And she succeeded to drag that out of him.  That she wasn’t the only one who wondered what if.  But thing is, he’d already moved on.  He had gotten past it.  Now she insists on dragging him back to dream with her…what if… because she felt lonely thinking she was the only one who thought about it constantly because truth be told, she still was wondering regularly.  See how selfish she is?  She still wants him to pine for her even though she’s still unwilling to commit to anything.  It’s sadistic.)

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  5. 3 hours ago, Hong Banjang said:

    we would probably have a child by now..."

    What kind of sadist says these things after ghosting somebody and disappearing for 4 long years?? If you don't have the decency to apologise, at least don't say things that will rekindle those buried emotions in the other person's heart again.


    That’s what it is.  She never apologized.  She never took any responsibility for putting everyone in this mess.  Just like GP never really apologized to MK.  Both of them just spoke like it was something they had the right to do and it was a reasonable thing to do?  They just explained why they did it and left the other party with a “take it or leave it” type attitude?  Actually come to think of it, SY never really explained it to anyone properly.  “Poor me, I had no choice you know? My back was against the wall!”  ^_^  SY’s character never progressed.  In the light of what she did, she regressed.  Because in her world it was still population one.  People have to come to her.  To run after and find her.  @jayakris was right to tell us that the “interest” in the drama title was “personal interest”.  SY never cared about the other party in her relationships.  It was always viewed through her own lens.  The other party just had to suck it up.  She could’ve stopped and said hello to JH (at the lights quickly) but no she just walked away (like she always does).  She had to get the upper hand (in her meet up with SS) - “did you look for me?”, “you were bawling because you liked me”.  Reminding him that she was the one in control and he was the man enamored by her?  ^_^ 
     

    In GP’s case (and SY’s for that matter), I am amazed that SS persisted in still offering an olive branch to him.  Despite him (SS) never knowing that they never really slept together?  I think he erased the full recording that GP sent him without listening to it? (I fast forwarded a lot of bits so maybe I missed it)

     

    The best alternative ending would’ve been within the 4years, SS finds someone else, marries her and he has a baby.  And then SS and SY meet up again at her Future Happiness cafe (for her bank loan).  She finds out about him moving on and he walks away for a change leaving her to live in regret because he was “the one who got away”.  Mirroring GP and MK.  That would be resolution and a message worth sending to the viewers.  

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  6. Thanks @jayakris.  I was kinda wondering if they were going for the play on words with “Interest of Love”.  They are working in a bank after all.  So I was banking (pun) on them doing some fancy wordplay on “interest” (eg bank loan interest).  Personal interest in that sentence by SS would seem to imply that if they got confused by all their own personal views/expectations (what’s in it for me?) and mistook that to be “love”.  At the same time they were all trying to figure it (love) out (but aren’t we all?).  It did also cross my mind that in the context of a bank, you deposit capital and you earn interest on that capital.  The capital stays constant but the interest is what varies.  It’s a bonus and tied to the capital but it isn’t really the capital, it’s extraneous.  So similarly, the couples have all danced around “love” which is the capital and all they figured out was the “interest”.  They never really hit the real thing which was lasting love (the capital).

     

    I know it’s a bit of a stretch.  But I am trying to figure out what the main point of the whole drama is from the writer’s point of view.  I think they started off with an exploratory view of the structures and circumstances around relationships eg societal expectations, prejudices etc.  So it started off well.  But the message was lost because the scenarios went askew as the drama progressed. They didn’t need to paint the characters with these bizarre traits which were divisive.  2FL didn’t need to be so manipulative.  FL didn’t need to be so elusive and make rash judgements and act impulsively (sleeping with someone else just so you can break up with your partner makes no sense - and they repeated this twice in the drama).  ML didn’t need to be such a pushover and pretty much pine the whole 16eps.  
     

    Anyway, thanks all who joined in the discussions.  The drama was bearable because of the company.  See you all in another drama in future!

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  7. @jayakris if you get the time, can you let us know if they translated the voiceover rightly (because that’s the concluding statement for the drama and I feel that it’s important)?  It just sounds like we’ve lost something in translation because I can’t make sense of the English subs.

     

    “we were once a part of each other’s lives.  We fell for each other.  Our hearts skipped for each other.  We were foolish.  All the moments that we regretted made us long for each other more. During those times, were we (SY’s voice now) actually in love? (SS’s voice) Or blinded by the interest?
     

    I think I can get the gist of the first few lines but this line (which is also the title of the drama), is harder to make sense of

     

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    During those times, were we (SY’s voice now) actually in love? (SS’s voice) Or blinded by the interest?

     

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  8. What can I say?  It’s more of the same in Ep16.

     

    There’s a time jump.  4 years.  In a nutshell, the only person who moved on (and found happiness with no regrets) is MK.  Surprise surprise.  Yes the person who said her goodbyes well.  Sorted the relationships out and didn’t run away or utilize weird tactics like sleeping with someone else to avoid face to face confrontation or work through a break up.  <_<  The rest were left in those 4 years wondering “what if”.  And stayed stuck in limbo even though they tried to make in roads to just move on.  I don’t care how the writer tried to sugarcoat this, it was not written well and all I could see was people still trying to fake happiness or pretend that they are wistful but dig a little deeper and they are still living in the past so much so that they cannot fully enjoy the present.  There’s a lesson here to end relationships well.  Ghosting is NOT advisable.
     

    Summary

    - Ma and Bae - the other bank office couple get married.

    - Manager with the scandal retired.  Talked about doing housework so maybe he got back together with his wife?  Not sure.

    - Deputy Manager Noh is now the Branch Manager and he’s still happy in his marriage

    - Older lady bank colleague has her 3rd baby.  She’s the only one who knows where SY is and kept in touch with her during the 4 years.

    - SeokHyeon finally manages to sell his marital home.  I think he’s still moping about his gf.  I can’t be sure, I fast forwarded some bits.

    - GP is back as friends with SS.  He’s still at the YoungPo branch.  He bumps into MK at Ma/Bae wedding and he’s still stuck in the past.  Who’s fault is that?  <_<

    - JH passed his exams.  He is now a policeman.  Living in an apartment overlooking Han River?   They have a chance “meeting” when he’s a cop directing traffic and she walks by.  She sees him and walks by (yes, no hi or goodbye, she just sees that he’s achieved his dream).  He catches sight of her, tears up and remembers he promised to salute her and he does (how is it everyone else remembers everything about her but SY chooses to conveniently forget important details about them?).  He still wears the watch she gave him, refusing to change it even though it’s got a cracked face.  

    - SS has been promoted as Assistant Manager at another branch.  YeonNam?  Just so happens its also the branch closest to where SY is situated.

    - MK is working at HQ after her stint in Washington.  She’s about to get married so of the 4 I would say she’s miles ahead headspace wise.  Yes she may think back occasionally about the past, but she’s clearly living her best life in the present because she’s put the past to bed.

    - SY opened a painting cafe called “Future Happiness”.  She still has the plant and so does SS.  They have chance meetings AGAIN.  And do their usual verbal dance around with vagaries and wax philosophical (but I’m not buying it).  Ending is open I think?  There’s no talk about being together, no future plans, just trying hard to find a way forward ploughing through the mess left from SY’s decisions.  It’s still all about her.  
     

    And would you believe she forgot, yes she forgot, about her promise to have pork cutlets with SS at his University.  He had to bring it up to her?  Just goes to show how disingenuous she is.  <_< 

     

    SS - why didn’t you call me back?

    SY - why didn’t you come looking for me? You said you could always find me.  (Why is it all about her?  He asks her a reasonable question and she fires back accusing him of not looking for her? It’s always someone else’s fault)

    SS - I did look for you. I went back to TongYeong a week after we parted.  But TongYeong was bigger than I thought.  Now can you tell me why you did that?  (Why does he always have to prove he is worthy of her answer?  She expects him to grovel and he just accedes.  It’s like he’s a doormat.  So painful to watch)

    SY - because there was no more give.  And no more to receive.  (Huh?  Spoken from your end maybe?  Selfish to the core.  In case you have forgotten, there are always 2 people in any relationship, just because you have nothing more to give and you think the other person has nothing more to offer you doesn’t mean you decide unilaterally to end it).  
    SY - have you ever wondered how things would’ve been different if you made a different decision? (I can’t believe she’s still fishing.  What did YOU do wrong?  You first because then it would make me feel better to say my piece)

    SS - whoever was deeper in love has no lingering thoughts like that.  Only the one who ran away has regrets.  (You said it champion.  You’re the one who tried.  You stayed to try to fix your decisions.  Yes you hesitated, but you apologized.  At every juncture, you tried to make it work.  SY just threw tantrums and ran away.  She didn’t try AT ALL.)

    SY - I remember you bawling because you liked me so much. (There she goes again.  Putting him down.  You were head over heels over me.  I was this unattainable star.)

    SS - what?  I never did that!  I never went that far.  After you left, there was a time where I wondered every day.  
    (then the pair of them go through the what ifs…but as usual, SS has to look desperate first before SY opens up and gives her side.  And then they expand it by looking into the future with what ifs eg they would’ve gotten married, had kids, fought occasionally…)

    SY - …and that could’ve eventually ended in a divorce.  (Ms Sandcastle wrecker is at it again)

    SS - you always imagine the worst.  There’s also a possibility that we could’ve made up and ended up living happily ever after.

    SY - but even in our imaginations, it’s nothing special. 
    SS - isn’t that what love is?  Two people going through every day life together? (Yes SS it is.  SY has a delusional expectation of what love is.  She’s never accepted the ordinariness of true love.  It’s lived in the mundane.  But it’s beautiful).

     

    They face each other and then SS’s voiceover and we get flashbacks

    “we were once a part of each other’s lives.  We fell for each other.  Our hearts skipped for each other.  We were foolish.  All the moments that we regretted made us long for each other more. During those times, were we (SY’s voice now) actually in love? (SS’s voice) Or blinded by the interest?”

     

    Back to the 2 of them near the top of the hill

    SY - what did you forget today?  You said this was the Hill of Oblivion.  So I wondered what you forgot today? 
    SS - Nothing. Absolutely nothing. 
    They exchange dewy looks, smiles of acknowledgment and continue up the hill together towards pork cutlets.  (END)

     

    Having walked up this Hill Oblivion with them, I have to say emphatically yes, I want to forget the last 16-17hrs spent on this drama.  

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  9. Ep15. We’re nearly at the end…thank goodness.

     

    Thoughts

     

    - I wanted to clap MK for being the most honest (and that’s saying something because as a character I wasn’t particularly taken by her).  For all her desperation towards SS, at the very least she was honest with her feelings and expresses it.  She’s got closure with her relationship with GP now that she forced that reveal from him about why he slept with her best friend all those years ago.  And she sorted things up between her dad and her.  See?  Being honest is the way to go with relationships.  This is the way to say your goodbyes.  Full disclosure.  Reconciliation and closure.  The farewell with SS was a bit awkward at the start (why would you request that he send you to the airport but I guess it was her only opportunity to say goodbye well) but it ended well.  They parted friends. 

     

    - SS takes SY’s name card (for the new branch).  Then tells older lady colleague to tell Assistant Manager Noh that SY had “called” so as to buy her 10days in case she decides to come back.  See?  No closure.  Just like MK all those years after GP thought his way of ending things was the most effective.  Like MK said, it causes more pain for the ones left behind because it’s the ultimate betrayal.  
     

    - GP (to SS) - do you think this is all my fault?  (Is this a rhetorical question? How dense can you be?  You went along with a plan that would cause the greatest hurt to your best friend SS?  I am surprised that he would even consider eating with you again).

     

    - So SY did take SS’s “future happiness” plant.  Why not just leave it behind for him to find?  End it for real?  Don’t string him along?

     

    - As usual, SY’s penchant for just judging on outward appearances before getting her facts straight has resulted in pain for everyone around her… her parents suffered as a result of her misunderstanding.  Goodness knows why they didn’t bother to clear it up for her.

     

    - And yes, SY is still hung up about the hesitation at the lights.  <_<  How petty can you get?  
     

    SY - Why did you hesitate?  Come to think of it, you never gave me a reason. (Well, you never really gave him a chance to explain himself did you?  <_<)

    SS - It was for a short moment…but I think I lacked the confidence too.  It wasn’t for the reasons you said, such as being a high school graduate or a service rep.  I wondered if I could really be responsible for another person.  That’s where my thoughts ended up.

    SY - who said we were getting married?  (Err…you implied it?  You didn’t want an undefined relationship?  You wanted him to be sure right after the first date?)

    SS - I think I’ve always thought way ahead.  That way I could be prepared for any misfortunes that might come my way.

    SY - was I a misfortune to you?  (Why is it still all about you?)

    SS - No.  just a variable.  (I wanted to laugh out loud here.)

    (She leans over to kiss him)

    SY - something like this is a real variable isn’t it?  
    (He responds in kind with interest.  Challenge accepted. What can I say SS?  You’re a sucker for punishment. :lol:)

     

    - SS and SY farewell at bus stop.  She’s still skittish.  Refusing to let him know where she lives.  She promises to call him.  He’s doubtful (and so are we) because we know what happened last time she waved goodbye to him after he dropped her off.   And then his voiceover… “that…was my last moment with ASY”.  <_<  Well they say a leopard never changes its spots.  And she’s gone and done it again.  After showing up uninvited to the guest house with drinks and then kissing him first… dear god woman, how can you live with yourself?  You keep leading him on.  If there was a woman who just wanted a man to just forever live pining for her, she’s the definition of one.  

     

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  10. 1 hour ago, imgreatgal said:

    Was there really an affair or was it rape? The conversation between NJD and YJ that JH overheard went something like, YJ to NJD : “it may be a mistake for you but i was tormented ever since”.

    Like you i cant understand why YJ would go on living in the house if she was rape by NJD.

     


    It was unclear.  That’s why I was wondering if he came home drunk which is why he said it was “a mistake”.  And if it was “a mistake” then chances are he would be careful not to repeat it?  Otherwise it would’ve been multiple “mistakes”? <_<  Even then, I can’t understand how she would continue to live in the same house knowing how easily it could happen again.  
     

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    You mentioned in an earlier post about JH’s phone. It was never brought up in ep14. How it ended up in NJD’s possession. A flashback showed JH hurriedly exiting the vehicle he was in with NJD it was raining and NJD gave him an umbrella. Did he dropped the phone in the van? According to NJD that the police returned the phone to him.


    He can’t have dropped it in the van after he saw his dad because time stamp for when he was seen in CCTV entering the toilet block was 1:10am. (Don’t ask me why the time has so many numbers on it.  I just read 1:10am?)

     

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    He only just texted and made the phone calls at 1:07am and 1:08am.  So he had to have had his phone on him just before he headed into the toilet block.  Potentially, he texted and made the phone calls to SB in the taxi on the way to the Han River just before he got to the toilet block.  


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    I think we’re confused because we’re shown potential versions of the true events (which aren’t really true?).  Like when we see JH texting in the rain next to the Han River and then walking into the river on his own after texting “I am going to kill myself”.  That’s not how it really unfolded.  It’s just what HJ would’ve envisioned in her head as she read the texts on the phone that she found.

     

    Now that we know the true version of events (pieced together from the true account of people who know), I am still wondering where the phone would’ve been dropped.  WJ followed him to the toilet block.  WJ claims he “caught him in the act”.  He wouldn’t have gone to the toilet block because he wasn’t captured on CCTV.   He must’ve just seen him exit the toilet block?  Then next we see is the 2 of them by the banks of the river (away from the toilet block).  WJ yells at JH for doing drugs and then tells him to throw it away and follow him.  There was no altercation or anything pushing which could’ve resulted in the phone being dropped out of his pocket or anything?  JH had the burner phone in his pocket when his body was found.  Did he leave his real phone in the toilet block?  Which seems rather odd?  We’ll just have to wait and see if they tell us.  It’s a bit hard to figure out because it’s hard to work out if what we’ve seen in the footage is reality or if it’s just something playing out in someone’s mind as the facts are recounted or revealed to them.  

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  11. I was wrong to trust NJD.  He’s a narcissist who believes he can do no wrong.  
     

    Ahh…subbers got it wrong and changed the subs after last night.  Originally they had it down as “the night of the accident” at the end of Ep13 when SB was talking to HJ.  Now they’ve changed it to “the day of the accident” <_<

     

    It makes sense now why JH went off the rails after middle school.  They were such a happy family before then.  He witnessed the “affair”.  Although now it looks like it wasn’t “an affair”, it was a rape.  If it was a rape, then it’s unlikely that YJ would continue to sleep with NJD.  And it makes no sense that YJ would continue to live in the same house which would leave her open to more abuse?  She’s not a minor with nowhere to escape to?  Even if NJD was drunk and she excused him for it, it makes no sense that she would live there for 5 years in constant fear that he would come knocking again?  That afternoon when NJD returned early in the afternoon and JH/SB saw them downstairs, did they have a lover’s tryst?  Unlikely unless it was another instance when he forced himself on her again.  <_< I am not sure why YJ didn’t just call him out in front of HJ when she asked her in the beginning of the episode.  Why have HJ believe that there was “something between the 2 of them”?  Why not tell HJ the truth like she did WJ?  
     

    JH’s death also makes little sense.  If he had gone back to retrieve the drug in the river, chances are near zero that he would’ve been able to do that in the first place (it was dark, it was a flowing river and raining).  Then to manage to put it into his coat pocket (which is where the cops found the drug) whilst drowning is impossible.

     

    Will YJ succeed in her suicide attempt?

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  12. 2 hours ago, il23 said:

    Simply does not make sense. Assembly not having an affair but raped FL's friend 5 years ago and the friend continues to live in the house.


    Huh?  Wow.  Will need to watch to believe this.  Not sure this is a plausible scenario though.  I agree that it would make zero sense for the victim to stay in the house of the rapist.  What a strange development.  

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  13. 52 minutes ago, Li22.55 said:

    Thanks.. i'd watched it later .. but who do you think did NJD cheat his wife with if not YeoJin.. 

     

    Honestly I don’t know :lol:.  It seems rather strange to introduce another character so late in the piece.  I am just going to assume that the “infidelity” is implying his relationship with his job/political aspirations.  He kept saying he wanted to have both - his wife and his political aspirations.  So you could surmise that metaphorically, his mistress is his ambition.  His desire for “the greater good”.  I’m clutching at straws here.  :lol:.  I just don’t think a fling with YJ or SB fits NJD’s bio.  

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  14. 21 minutes ago, Li22.55 said:

    what a spoiler .. the unexpected  partner of adultery was YeoJin hahahaa LOL.. seriously, i (dare not) think why YeoJin tough.. KHJ was in every aspect couldn't compare to her .. sorry it's just my opinion and not to sound to be mean and disparage of YeoJin (or the actress)

     

    Was it confirmed or was it just vague because if it's vague there might be misleading clue again from the writer to us? 


    It was implied.  Read my post above with the overheard conversation by SB.  SB/JH didn’t actually catch them in the act.  They were fully clothed having a conversation and all that was implied was that they shared a secret between them.  Something that would hurt HJ (potentially) if she found out. 
     

    For me I still doubt they are lovers.  They don’t behave like lovers.  And to have your lover living in the same house as your wife is not what most men would do?  Especially a man like NJD who risks losing so much if it ever gets out?  

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  15. 2 hours ago, imgreatgal said:

    was it the same night that JH and SB oveheard NJD and YJ’s conversation at the house before NJD left for the ‘said wake’ ? It seems odd and unclear to me . If JH and SB were at the house why would JH call NJD and both agreed they met somwhere that night?


    Yes it was the same night I think.  And you’re right, It was odd about why JH would call NJD then.  In Ep1, KHJ was in her pajamas talking about YS’s bad attitude to YJ downstairs.  She gets the text from NJD saying he’s nearly home.  Then NJD gets the call from JH about being in trouble almost straight after he sent that text (according to the flashback in Ep11).  It probably was the same night because WJ tells him to use the Conglomerate’s MIL’s wake as a convenient excuse to talk to JH in private later?  And that is the same day/night that it happened.  And it would place SB and JH in the house or near the house when he made that desperate call to NJD.  

    we only have SB’s testimony and her words to HJ outside her book repair studio in the rain were

     

    SB - your husband and the lady from the noodle shop are having an affair.

    (we have a flashback of SB and NJD in the car

    SB - I’m blackmailing you right now. I know you’re having an affair.  JH and I saw everything at your house. 
    (flashback of JH and SB upstairs overhearing YJ and NJD downstairs

    YJ - are you afraid that HyeJoo will find out?)

    SB continues - it was the day of JH’s accident…The day I ran into you in front of the clinic, what I was going to tell you there was…it was that your husband might have killed JH. 

    HJ - what?  Have you gone crazy?  How could you say…

    SB - JH told me he was going to confront his dad about the affair that day. 
    (flashback JH and NJD in car

    JH - you’re having an affair.)

    SB - and he died right after that.  That’s why I think he might have killed JH. 
     

    It may be a plot hole.  Thus far the writer has been very tight with her writing and everything has made sense.  This may be a slip up?  Or maybe not.

     

    You could be right about YJ causing the SB to miscarry.  If so, it’s sad.  

     

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  16. 1 hour ago, chickfactor said:

    I bow down to your sleuthing skills, @nrllee !

     

     

    I could be very wrong though.  :lol:  And NJD could well be the sleaze bag and YJ the ultimate Judas.  They (JD and YJ) don’t behave like lovers though.  No sly look exchanges, no jealousy.  Nada.  So if they are lovers they are hiding it very well. 
     

    SB is still a mystery to me.  On her intentions to turn up at the Nam household.  If she was trying to find out what happened to JH, she didn’t look like she was doing much sleuthing.  She had a lot of opportunities to comb through the house because it looked like she stayed home alone a lot.  YJ would be at the restaurant, HJ at her work, YS at school and NJD out as well?  Maybe she was trying to blackmail NJD and find proof of his infidelity.  Or maybe it was as simple as finding a home to shelter in because she found out she was pregnant and conveniently used JH as an excuse.  I will wait for her reveal.

     

    I was a bit upset with YS as well.  She indeed is her father’s daughter.  
     

    Even if NJD didn’t cheat and YJ’s part in helping his cause is revealed (by concealing SB’s miscarriage amongst other things), poor HJ would be devastated by the betrayal of trust.  KY is person who is trustworthy but to be honest I don’t see either having an affair.  KY is still very much in love with his confused wife and HJ doesn’t strike me as the sort of woman to cheat with another man.  Whatever the outcome, I seriously doubt the NJD and KHJ marriage will stay the same.  The third party in their relationship is NJD’s political aspirations.  If he can’t give that up, I see no future in their marriage.  To be honest I am not sure how this will end for all the parties involved.  I am waiting with bated breath. 

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  17. More twists and turns :o.  This is going down to the wire.  Kudos to writer and PD for keeping us guessing right to the end.

     

    Things we discover

    1. The meth found on JH’s body.  He wasn’t a user because toxicology report from police didn’t find any in him?  So pimp guy (Is he really JD?) wanted JH to do a meth drop for him but he refused.  Pimp guy got his other gf side kick to run that errand for him.  When JH was filmed in the public toilet picking up the meth, he wasn’t doing the drug drop, he was sabotaging pimp guy by picking it up before the client came round to pick it up?

     

    2. JH is definitely not the baby’s father.  Why did SB go through all the hassle of faking the documents and fronting up at the Nam household in the first place?  I still can’t work that out.  Was she trying to figure out the circumstances around JH’s death?  
     

    3. On the night of JH’s death, SB and JH were back at the house?  This is getting very convoluted.  SB says she and JH overheard NJD and YJ having a conversation.  I know what it sounded like but it could mean something else.  Here’s the conversation.  All they heard was YJ asking

     

    “Are you afraid that Hye Joo will find out?”  
     

    Did they actually see them in bed together?  If not, then the conversation could be about a secret (eg JH being in trouble) that they had to keep from KHJ.  NJD and WJ rely on YJ heavily to be KHJ’s friend in need.  They use her to manipulate KHJ’s emotions and decision making.  I just find it strange that a man like him who is so driven to succeed would risk it all with an affair.  Plus to do it right in his own house is just sloppy.  He’s a man who plans meticulously and is preemptive with his strikes so as to always swing things in his favour.  So if he did have an affair in his own house, that’s an anomaly.  I am still unconvinced that they had an affair but happy to be proven wrong at this point :lol:.  
     

    I am trying to put the timeline together for the night of JiHoon’s death

     

    - HJ visits mill lady to collect her oil.  It’s late morning or afternoon?  Finds out about her granddaughter’s death.  Visits the mill lady at the wake.

    - NJD is still at the office and just finishing up with some folks.  Clock reads 5:10pm.  WJ tells him he has dinner with sponsors at 7pm.  There’s a time gap so I think this is when he went to the 2 wakes.  
    - HJ heads home.  Sun sets.  We see her in different clothes and she starts to soak meat bones in a pail.  Hears YS come home.  They get into an argument.  YS slams the bedroom door on her in a huff.

    - HJ is in Pajamas talking to YJ downstairs.  She gets the text from NJD telling her he’s almost home (he must be in the car now with WJ.  After he sends this text he gets the phone call from JH asking for his help and they concoct a plan to see JH later and to pretend that NJD is attending a wake).  HJ talks about YS acting up more and more with YJ.   HJ asks YJ if she wants to move up into JH’s old room (I guess he’s living in an apartment now so he wouldn’t be coming back).  YJ says she’s happy downstairs in late Mother-in-law’s room.  HJ said had they known YJ was going to live with them, they would’ve built her a room upstairs as well.  YJ said upstairs was for their family.  HJ tells her how grateful she is for her.  And recounts how YJ came and stayed with them to help HJ who was pregnant with YS after her mother-in-law passed.  
    - NJD comes home and sees the 2 women in conversation.  They chat like friends.  (If YJ and NJD are having an affair, they are hiding it really well?). NJD and HJ head upstairs leaving YJ to wash up.

    - bedroom. HJ is in bed.  NJD takes his badge off and his jacket off.  They make out and are interrupted by WJ’s call.  NJD picks up.  Tells HJ that he has a wake to attend.  Leaves his badge behind.  Is this when he heads downstairs and talks to YJ?  What did they talk about that they had to hide from HJ?  JH?  There’s no other time otherwise?  And this is when SB and JH sees the 2 of them together and overhear the tail end of their conversation - I get the feeling they didn’t hear it in full and jumped to conclusions?  JH must then move to the rendezvous point to meet his father.
    - JH and NJD meet up.  WJ is probably the person to drive NJD there.  They fight.  Still unclear as to what went down.  Did he confront his father about the alleged affair?  NJD claims the police handed the phone to him?  Did he lie about that?  Was he in possession of JH’s phone before his death?

    (this part is speculation on my part that this happens after the meet up with NJD - based on SB’s testimony)

    - JH is upset after meet up with his dad and heads to Gangnam to drink heavily.  CCTV and waiter there confirm that he was there a few hours before his death.

    - 1:02am JH is seen on CCTV heading into toilet block.  It’s known to be a pick up point for drugs.  He’s picked up the meth.  Why though?  

    - 1:07am JH texts SB

    ”Don’t ever say you want to break up!  Do you have a death wish?”

    - 1:08am Then there are 2 calls he makes to SB.  Before he finally texts “I am going to kill myself” (this doesn’t send). Presumably this is when he dies.

    (speculation end)

    - HJ wakes up and remembers the meat bones.  Steps on the badge on the floor in the dark.  Checks in on YS and finds her missing. YJ and HJ head out to try to find her.  HJ takes a taxi to police station.  YJ returns home to wait in case YS returns.

    - HJ at police station.  Files report.  Police decide to head out to try to find her.  As they walk out, NJD arrives in a taxi.  Where did NJD go after meeting up with JH?  He’s not with WJ because he came in a taxi?  They hug.  All 4 of them head out to try to find YS.  WJ arrives to find NJD and joins in the search.  They search all through the night.  
    - Day after.  They are back at the Police station.  They find out that NJD is an Assembly Man and immediately step up the search.  We have a time stamp.  4:03pm (on police woman’s phone).  It’s been over 12hours since YS was found missing by HJ.  

     

    JH’s body had 1g of meth and a burner phone (Likely to be from pimp guy.  He gave SB one.  He’s blackmailing her to do drug runs for him.  He’s been using her bank account for illegal activities and threatened to use it against her if she doesn’t heed his instructions).  Did pimp guy do the same to JH?  And that’s why JH is in trouble?  And he was trying to reach out to his dad when he realized the trouble he was in?   I get the feeling JH decided to “end” his father’s political career by committing suicide with the drugs on him - to cause a sensation/scandal.  Even if he thought NJD was having an affair, he probably loved his mother enough that he didn’t want to put her through that shame (this could be why they had that story about YS’s classmate and the dilemma she had about exposing her father’s affair).  The only way JH saw of ending his father’s political career was to sacrifice himself by making up the story of being a drug mule and then committing suicide because he didn’t want to have to face the consequences of going to jail again.  This is speculative on my part.
     

     

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  18. @petalsoft I will agree to disagree with you on the assessment of SY.  She can’t call others out for hesitating when she herself hesitates big time.  Why shouldn’t SS have a second of doubt?  Find me one person in this world who has never doubted in their entire life?  Her view of what love should be like is delusional.  It’s like she expects unflinching adoration that is akin to worship.  Maybe that’s why she had the nickname Goddess in the bank branch.  It’s unrealistic coming from her because she’s just as flawed as everyone else.  Actually if you watch the ep where she reflects on his hesitation, you will see that she realises that she bailed because she hesitated too.  She got scared about the commitment and ran.  But nowhere do you hear her apologise or explain that to SS.  She just let him believe that it was all his fault.
     

    I don’t buy into her arguments that life’s so tough on her and so somehow it justifies her selfishness.  There are people I know who’ve experienced worse and still opted to continue to live in hope and choose to love rather than respond the way she does.  Hers is not the response to aspire to.  She opts for self protection at the expense of everyone around her and leaves a trail of destruction and hurt in her wake.  She probably needs some time in TongYeong to just rethink her whole view of life.  Reconnect with her family.  Maybe go back to art school or study again.  Forget about climbing the social ladder in the corporate world.  

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  19. 5 hours ago, petalsoft said:

    If any of the men could offer full love and support, don't we think Ahn Su-Yeong would have embraced it?


    Err. I would think SS of all people tried to offer her full love and support.  She was just too quick to judge him for his one moment’s hesitation?  The point was, he weighed up his options at the traffic lights, then picked her?  He showed up in the end?  And he did apologize afterward didn’t he?  Yet she flat refused to accept it.  What’s more, she never gave him the real reason why she dumped him for the longest time.  She left him hanging.  And he was scratching his head wondering what he said or what he did to offend her?  She played all these games instead of giving it to him straight?  For a normal person, I would say there would always be moments where you doubt yourself or the relationship?  That’s just being human?  Her expectations of SS were set sky high?  And they had…err…one official movie date?  Is that even a realistic expectation of anyone?  And even in that one date, I could already tell she was toying with him?  What woman bluffs on her first date that she can’t make it and then laughs when she sees him squirm with disappointment - just for sport?  That’s just cruel?  She was projecting her own sense of self worth and making it out that it was his fault that the relationship didn’t take off?  If she expected SS to never hesitate, then she should’ve done the same with JH.  But she kept hesitating didn’t she?  And even now after everything that’s happened, and it would appear that they (SS and her) are starting over (from where they left off at the restaurant), she does it to him again?  Leaving him hanging.   No proper goodbye.  No clear explanation.  That’s why I am so hard on her.  She had these rigid rules she went by eg I don’t like undefined relationships.  Yet all her relationships thus far have been “undefined”.  She’s the queen of undefined relationships. <_<  She’s never completely on board.  She expects the other party to commit in full but she never really does.  You can’t have it both ways.  If you want the other party to live by a certain set of rules, then you make sure you abide by them too.  Otherwise the rules don’t stand.  She destroys the sand castles she builds.  She acknowledges that.  She explains it away somehow by saying she’s afraid someone else will come by to destroy it so to circumvent this potentiality, she knocks it over first.  She doesn’t seem to care that in doing that she’s caused all this hurt to others in the process, because it wasn’t just her that built that sandcastle, other people had a hand in it too.  But in her little world, it’s population one.  Only she lives in it.  Others don’t factor into her action.  Not even her parents.  I can understand her being mad with her dad but why take it out on her mom?  And cut her off so completely that nobody knew she was her mom?  That was cold and cruel.  
     

    I am all for trying to empathize with her plight - the misogyny and workplace prejudices are uncalled for.  But she does herself no favours by deciding to just pretend to sleep with another workmate just so she can lob a grenade into all the intertwined relationships happening around her.  That’s on her.  She could’ve chosen to be honest and tell JH she wanted out, tell MK she didn’t really think their friendship would last, tell SS that she wasn’t keen on a relationship now.  But no.  She chose the most damaging way she could to end all the relationships because it was apparently too much effort for her to communicate all that.  That’s selfish in my books. 

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  20. Ep14

     

    What can I say?  This ep should be titled “The LONG (and PAINFUL) goodbye”.  <_<

     

    I had to fast forward some segments - the pained, angsty pining looks… the sobbing… it was a dreary watch.  All the while I am screaming inside, “it didn’t need to be this way!”  
     

    Did MK really flip heads on the coin?  I thought she flipped tails.  But good on her for having the dignity to say goodbye for real.  It was never going to work anyway.  At least in their circumstances, they talked.  Painful though it was, at the very least they were completely honest with each other.  I can’t say the same for SY and JH.  She left him hanging.  She never explained well at all.  She just made him think she was a b**** who toyed with men and slept around.  It’s as if she decided that if all the men thought she was like that, she may as well just prove them right.  That’s her bizarre logic.

     

    I cannot understand how anyone (writer nim I am looking at you for your warped depiction of love) can think, “you know what?  I can’t bring myself to break up…so I’ll just sleep with someone else so they can break up with me.”   Huh??  That’s just cowardly.  And SY continues in her cowardice.  She repeats the same mistake she pulled with JH. Say goodbye properly for crying out loud!  SS deserves that much.  Honesty.  She strings him along with her vagaries and cryptic replies.  There’s first snow…and we all know what that signifies.  Lifting his hopes up.  She says he always comes and finds her anyway when he asked if he could call her again.  She leaves him with no hope of any closure by just disappearing like that.  Did she take his plant?  She should’ve just left it behind.  Does she expect him to head to TongYeong and search high and low to find her?  Is that her expectation?  She’s such a diva I have no words.  She’s selfish to the core.  Everything is all about her.  Although she somehow thinks her actions are beneficial to others because “they are better off without me”.  <_<  Her lack of self awareness beggars belief.  She leaves a trail of devastation everywhere she goes.  People left with no closure.  Just hanging by threads which she stitched up in the first place.

     

    No preview for last 2 eps.  I don’t really care anymore if SS gets back together with SY anymore.  She’s bad news.  SS should just move on from her.  I would like at least some positivity in the last 2 eps please Writer nim, whatever it is.  The “life” and “love” that you’ve depicted for 14 eps leaves everyone devoid of hope?  It’s just one big long painful journey.  Surely that’s not the message you want to leave with your viewers?  <_<

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  21. I will say that amongst all the relationships portrayed in this drama, the stand out relationship to aspire to is the one between SS and his mother.  Now that’s a healthy relationship.  With set boundaries.  Especially his mom.  Hers is the ideal when it comes to how to relate to your adult child.  She didn’t take sides.  He’s a man who is capable of making his own decisions and live with the consequences.  She never judges him or calls him out for stupid decisions (like when he went out with MK).  She’s there to back him even when he’s not there (see how she stood firm when MK’s mother tried to cut her down to size - she was the hands down winner in that battle).  There was no swearing, no histrionics, no drama.  Just consistent care and concern, a listening ear, wisdom in how gently she offered her advice.  She never stepped in to “help” but trusted him to make hard choices.  Her love is constant.  He is assured of her having his back even if he’s done the dumbest things.  And they can share a laugh with banter.  I loved how she told him he needed facial masks because he looked so worn down (she could clearly see he was in pain and holding back tears, she opted to make him laugh to make him feel better.  I love her.). 

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  22. Thanks for that clarification @jayakris.  I was shocked with the English translation as well.  Because love is many things but one thing it isn’t is indifferent.  And we know for a fact that SS is definitely not indifferent to SY.  I thought she was just being her over dramatic self when she said that.  But you cleared that up for us.  Thanks again.

     

    Ep13

     

    I think the assistant bank manager (?) and Noh said it best.

     

    “What’s going on at this bank anyway?  One person pretends as if his mistress is his wife. Another one gets married, has an affair, and becomes an online community star. And now a dirty scandal that got physical?  We need to perform an exorcism or something.” (I concur :lol:)

     

    SY’s father said

     

    “she’s a kind and warm hearted person.  She’d rather get hurt than see others in pain.” (Really?  This is the most incongruous assessment of SY that I have ever heard.  SY is not what I would classify as a kind and warm hearted person.  He obviously hasn’t been watching any of what’s unfolded in the past 12 eps :lol:)

     

    Finally honesty from SS to MK and from SY to JH.  Bursting the bubbles of the pretend love.  Note however how different both “break ups” were.  SS took all the blame - it’s my fault.  SY seemed to want to absolve herself of responsibility?  Or at the very least she wanted JH to take some of the blame?  When he called her a b**** at the end, I thought she deserved it.  ^_^

     

    Last scene where SS shaded SY with an umbrella?  Showed he was willing to be there for her in spite of all that has transpired between them.  Not sure if I am going to be totally on board with this couple.  More so because of SY.  This deep seated inability of hers to feel comfortable in a happy state is like a ticking time bomb.  You never know when she’ll implode.  

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