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12 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

LOVE this!!

 

Yes, it makes a lot of sense that DH saw the photos of his family (never caught that before) and made himself go home in Ep 3. At that point he still felt indebted to JA because she threw away the bribe and she wanted him to buy dinner for her for a month, right?

 

Right.
Then he sighed, unwilling to have dinner with her for a month. :1646639759_ezgif.com-gif-maker(1):

 

By the way, I always wondered if JA could go to Saman E&C's staff restaurant for lunch.
We did see their staff restaurant in EP9.
Is the food there still not cheap enough for her to afford?
Maybe she will take the food back to her grandmother (and for herself) if she can afford it.
But it seems we've never seen her eat there.

 

12 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

Nice insight, that inviting JA to dinner to thank her wasn't in his mind initially, but when she brought it up he readily agreed and had the reason that he wanted to thank her.

 

To me, this scene was as if he suddenly thought of a reasonable excuse, so he readily agreed.
Otherwise, he would have taken the initiative to invite her for dinner if he really wanted to thank her.

 

(He was always looking for a reasonable excuses like this to keep himself can close to JA. The tea room in Saman E&C is another example, lol.)

 

12 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

The end of Episode 7 was a turning point for me, too, when I realized that she was on his mind and he was deliberately asking about her instead of just responding/ reacting to her. And this is right after his confrontation with DJY on the rooftop so he's probably feeling shaken and discouraged. Instead of going to Jung Hee's bar, he goes to his friend's bar where he can be alone and not suffer the scrutiny of his Hugye friends. And it's at this point that he wants to connect with Ji An.

 

He should know that having dinner with JA is a very relaxing and stress-relieving experience. That's why he always thought of her when feeling sad. Otherwise, he could have gone to find JH or his brothers to accompany him.

 

And I think he should have already been aware of this when DongAn have dinner in EP1.
The evidence is that he seemed to have slept well that night.
Even though he had merchandise vouchers to worry about, he was so relieved that he almost forgot to get up.

 

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(Look at LSK's sleeping face. So cuuuuuuuuuuute. :1646639759_ezgif.com-gif-maker(1):)

 

I will bring this idea up because we can see how DW wakes up if he has something important to deal with today.

 

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He did not hesitate to wake up, unlike DH who would stay in bed for a while.

 

Even though DH and DW are two different people, but I think KWS will set these two scenes maybe has his idea there.

 

12 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

He probably realizes just how alone in his marriage he really is, how much he's "on his own" - and he needs Ji An's listening ear and support.

 

Yes, he does indeed need her.
But at the same time, he knows that he might fall in love with her if he keeps eating with her.

So he feels afraid about it, just like LSK described in the interview.

That's why he completely refuses to have dinner with JA at the end of EP3, and then has a guilty look on his face when DongAn have a meal again in EP7.


So I think in his subconscious, there is the following thinking so that he decided to have dinner with JA:

 

If I'm in love, I'm in love. My wife is like that anyway.

 

But on the surface, he may have been hypnotizing himself "she's just a kid, so this thing can't happen."

 

I will say this because in EP7 first time DongAn's dinner, DH not only buys a meal but also a drink for JA.

But JA only asks him to buy her a meal at first.

We all know that if PDH is willing to eat and drink with a woman, that means he likes her.

So I think in his subconscious, DH is already not so care about whether he will fall in love with JA or not anymore.

So he also buy her a drink.

(And then look a little bit guilty, lol.)


No matter what, I think in his heart "I need JA" this desire has been more than adhering to his first principle. (Do not have dinner with other women alone.)

 

(And I think we all know what is the second principle, lol.)

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When did PDH start to regard LJA as a woman?

 

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As for "When DH began to think that JA was a woman?" I agree that it is from the beginning of the story, at least since EP2. I can persuade this to myself is because I think DH actually always keeps his brothers' words in mind. Although whenever his brothers are talking to him, he usually smiles at them on the surface or says "You are insane" to them, he takes his brothers' remarks to heart.

 

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For example, SH tells him these words in EP1,

 

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SH: The moment you get fired, you will become me.

DH:(laugh)

 

then DH recalled them in EP2.

 

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Or KH in EP2 said that JA likes him,

 

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then DH recalled it in EP9.

 

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So when KH told him to keep a distance from JA in EP2, DH actually also kept this in mind. The evidence is that in EP2 when DH received the text message from JA, he was shaken.

 

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The director KWS uses the vibration of the carriage to express DH's inner shake. I think this is art.

 

He even almost misses getting off.

 

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But why did DH hesitate like this? Didn't he want to take the initiative to invite JA a dinner before he had a dinner with his brother?

 

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DH: Do you get off work late? (JA: Yes.) I...want to buy you dinner. (JA: I am not hungry.) In that case, how about...tea or something? (JA: ......) 

 

That invitation was very smooth at that time (at least for himself, lol), saying that he really would like to thank her. At that time, he was determined to wait for everyone to get off work, so he waited until very late. It seems like he really wants to thank her, so what made him feel hesitant?

 

Looking back at the beginning, it was KH's words above that made him hesitate.

 

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KH said that JA liked him, so "Keep your distance from her. Young people are reckless. If you get corrupted, it will be the end of you." He keeps these in mind, so he start to hesitate.

 

This is a contrast again: the reaction of DH before and after he hears KH's words.


I think this is also a deliberate arrangement by the writer and the director, which is why the plot has arranged for JA to decline DH's invitation to dinner and talk to JY first. Then DH can have dinner with his brothers first and have dialogues.

 

But if DH only treats JA as a child, there is no need to listen to KH's words and let himself spend time worrying about it. So the fact is that DH usually calls JA "child", it's just an act of hypnotizing himself. He is suppressing his lust for JA. He actually regarded JA as a woman from the beginning, but he didn't want to admit it. As @Thomas Zhang described in the older post, no one around DH treats JA as a child at all. So he is just pretending to himself that LJA is a child. That's why I say that the translation accuracy in EP10 is very important because that paragraph is the writer wants to show DH's real thoughts which deep in his heart to the audience.

 

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The original dialogue here is "너 미친년이야", which means "You're a crazy woman" in Korean.
Subtitles in Chinese and Japanese only translate this dialogue as "You're crazy" on Netflix. I am crying, lol.

 

I mean, somewhere deep inside DH's heart, he had already regarded JA as a woman in the very earlier episodes. (At least EP2.)

 

Finally, I want to say that a scene in EP3 can prove that DH was attracted to JA at a very early stage.

 

After DongAn have the second meal, DH started to look for JA in the subway (!)

 

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I am surprised about this, because he started to think about her in his daily life, even when he left the office.
But at that time, the third time dinner was not yet happened, and JA also had not yet kissed him.

 

Park Dong-hoon, you are too easy to fall in love with Lee Ji-an, right? :surprisedwut:

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The Collection of Sang-Hoon's homophonic pun jokes.

 

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This post collects SH's homophonic pun joke, lol.

 

(Here they are, @Sandra Navarro.)

 

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(EP4)

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JB: All right, everyone. Ms. Jung Jeong-hui, who just came back from a tour in Thailand, will say a few words in Thai.

 

JH: Come on.

 

GS: She forgot everything.

 

JC: I bet she can't speak Thai.

 

JB: Come on and say something.

 

GS: She can't speak Thai.

 

JH: How old are you, boy? Do you want to marry me? I'm good at everything. 

 

JB: She knows a lot. But what does it mean?

 

JH: Now, I'm totally single. (Hug DH.)

 

JC: Is she speaking Thai?

 

SH: It's Thai. I have heard the language many times. Sawadikap (ssaudikab). I am RoboCop (lobokab).

 

JC: Stop it. Stop it already.

 

SH: Make sure you pay what you owe the pub. †

 

JC: Your sense of humor is subpar.

 

SH: Sawadikap (ssaudikab). Do you know what "Sawadikap (ssaudikab)" means?

 

JB: What does it mean?

 

SH: Saudi Arabian cop (ssaudi gyeongchal).

 

(People laugh.)

 

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This clip (4:34~5:28)

 

 

Note: † Actually, the jokes are not in the original script, and I can't find this dialogue. So I don't know this dialogues' Korean pronunciation. But I think you guys can hear that the pronunciations are similar, lol.

 

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(EP7-1)

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KH: If people drink instead of kill in a war, I bet Korean men will take over the entire world. We'll never lose.

 

SH: Yes, that's me. I'd be a general. Heil the alcohol killer!

 

JH: You guys are pathetic.

 

SH: (laugh)

 

JH: It's funny and sad (seulpeunya) at the same time.

 

DH/KH: (Probably know what SH will say later.)

 

SH: (laugh) It's a sad story (seulpeun-yaegiya). Because we're talking about alcohol. (sulpeun-yaegi).

 

KH: (disgusted face)

 

DH: (smile)

 

JH: (laugh)

 

KH: Don't laugh. Just don't. Otherwise, he won't stop. Don't laugh.

 

JH: Let me laugh.

 

KH: See? He won't stop.

 

JH: Let's just laugh.

 

SH: Hey, give me some alcohol (sulpeo).

 

(JH laugh.)

 

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This clip (1:48~end)

 

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(EP7-2)

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JH: It's nice to walk home with you guys like this. I always woke up at the bar, greeted customers, and even went to bed there. It felt like I was in prison.

 

KH: Where do you live? Why won't you tell us? Did you move in with a guy?

 

JH: That's my dream.

 

SH: You said you won't come back until you got yourself a guy. Weren't there any good guys in Thailand?

 

JH: I was surrounded by monks.

 

SH: (laugh) Did she have a feud with a monk in her past life or something? She's always...

 

DH: (glared at SH)

 

SH: I'm sorry. I apologize.

 

JH: Go away (jeoliga).

 

SH: Buddhist temple (jeol)? To a Buddhist temple (jeolluga)? Me too?

 

JH: Darn you.

 

SH: (laugh) Why are you always so mean to me?

 

KH: Om mani padme hum.

 

JH: Stop it!

 

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This clip (0:34~1:32)

 

 

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(EP9)

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SH: He's seriously way too shy. 

 

KH: That's what I like about him.

 

JH: Me too. He's like Mark Darcy (makeudasi).

 

SH: What? Who's that?

 

JH: Mark Darcy (makeudasi). He's the male character in Bridget Jones's Diary.

 

SH: Asaguda (maggu dasi sang)? Is it a Japanese movie? Starring by Mr. Tatsu Asagaya (maggu dasi sang) .

 

JH: You have no idea how charming Mark Darcy (makeudasi) is. Dong-hoon is kind of like him.

 

SH: Hey, if the film is not shot well, first beat people and then continue to shoot (maggodasi jjig-eo).

 

(People laugh)

 

JH: My gosh, you're so annoying.

 

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This clip (4:14~5:20)

 

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(EP14)

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JH: Has it been a taboo word because of me?

 

AR: You didn't know?

 

JH: Dong-hoon, was it hard? Has it been hard? Because you couldn't talk about your best friend?

 

DH: Yes.

 

JH: I'm sorry. I didn't know.

 

AR: You should talk about him, too. That'll heal your heartache.

 

JH: Okay. As of today, Yoon Sang-won is not a taboo word anymore.

 

(People are surprised about this)

 

JH: Say his name all you want.

 

GS: Really?

 

JH: Let's do it. Let's say his name, okay?

 

(JH take a wine glass)

 

JH: Yoon Sang-won is......our......memory! 

 

(People are silent)

 

JC: Yoon Sang-won is our memory.

 

JH: Yoon Sang-won is our memory!

 

(People: Yoon Sang-won is our memory! )

 

SH: One more time!

 

(People: Yoon Sang-won is our memory!)

 

SH: One more time!

 

(People: Yoon Sang-won is our memory!)

 

(Dong-hoon holds back his tears and leaves with a smile.)

 

JC: Sang-won! I can finally say your name out loud! Sang-won!

 

SH: Hey, friend. I'm here. You don't have to shout.

 

AR: Sang-hoon.

 

JC: Not Sang-hoon. Sang-won, punk.

 

AR: My gosh.

 

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This clip (2:20~4:35)

 

 

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On 3/9/2022 at 3:22 AM, YukawaCattle said:

By the way, I always wondered if JA could go to Saman E&C's staff restaurant for lunch.
We did see their staff restaurant in EP9.
Is the food there still not cheap enough for her to afford?
Maybe she will take the food back to her grandmother (and for herself) if she can afford it.
But it seems we've never seen her eat there.

 

Good question! I never thought about that...but you're right, I don't think she ever eats there. We don't see Dong Hoon there, either...guess the show didn't think it was important to show what they do for their meals, except when Ji An meets with DJY? And the one time DH "visits" YH to "eat with her" (or check out the phone booth near her office).

 

On 3/9/2022 at 3:22 AM, YukawaCattle said:

He should know that having dinner with JA is a very relaxing and stress-relieving experience.

 

:joy: It's becoming that way for him during the show, isn't it?

 

On 3/9/2022 at 3:22 AM, YukawaCattle said:

The evidence is that he seemed to have slept well that night.
Even though he had merchandise vouchers to worry about, he was so relieved that he almost forgot to get up.

 

I still think it's crazy that he and Yoon Hee share a bed. Seems like it would be such a strange dynamic. But I guess they've gotten used to it over time.

 

On 3/9/2022 at 9:19 AM, YukawaCattle said:

As for "When DH began to think that JA was a woman?" I agree that it is from the beginning of the story, at least since EP2. I can persuade this to myself is because I think DH actually always keeps his brothers' words in mind. Although whenever his brothers are talking to him, he usually smiles at them on the surface or says "You are insane" to them, he takes his brothers' remarks to heart.

 

Great insights! Yes, I think from an early stage he regarded her as a woman that he needed to keep a distance from, even though he verbally said "she's just a girl" a couple of times.

 

It's interesting that in Episode 15, in the scene in the shack, Netflix has DH saying, "How could a little kid like you end up doing this because you pitied an adult like me?"

 

But the subtitles in Viki say, "How can you feel bad for an adult like me?"

 

I wonder which subtitles are more accurate....the Netflix ones bring up him saying "little kid" again, but the ones in Viki give Ji An a bit more dignity and treat her more like an equal.

 

4 hours ago, Benz said:

My dumb butt thought you listed all of Sanghoon’s “homophobic” jokes and was like “Huh???”

 

Haha, me, too! Then I had to read it again very carefully and realize what she was saying. :joy: Oh dear.

 

9 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:

This post collects SH's homophonic pun joke, lol.

 

 

YAY!!! Love that you collected all of these! He is so funny and verbal, and just says whatever is on his mind. I didn't realize he had so many of these. I remember the Mark Darcy one but not the others. Thank you! So are you learning more Korean now, then? :lol:

 

This is not one of his homophonic riffs, but my favorite monologue of Sang Hoon's is in the beginning of Episode 11, when he talks about turning 50 and wanting to make an unforgettable memory, and grouchy Ki Hoon keeps moving around so Sang Hoon also gets grouchy.

 

Grouchy Park Brothers are the best!

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On 3/8/2022 at 2:18 PM, YukawaCattle said:

Park Dong-hoon's Humanity

 

@Thomas Zhang shared an interesting point in the older post. He said that DH was willing to re-start to eat with JA in EP7 because after discovering that YH was having an affair, he might have thought, "I can also eat with the girl I like because my wife is also like this, after all."


So EP7 is a very human moment for DH.
It is because his wife is having an affair, he sets back his principle and start to have dinner with JA.

KWS and PHY have indeed delicately presented such humanity of DH in this show.

 

 

Very insightful ideas from you and @Thomas Zhang.

 

I agree that due to YH’s cheating, DH has subconsciously allowed himself that space to get closer to JA, partially freed himself from his “shackles,” and in the process got more emotionally-attached to JA. I said “partially” because though he permitted himself that one step of having dinners with JA, he still did restrain himself from going all in. Like he still refused the hug, refused to text her, etc.

 

And that mindset of “I can also eat with the girl I like because my wife is also like this” did not only happen to DH, but to most of the viewers as well. Based on viewer comments from various sites, I barely read anyone raising violent objections to DH having dinners with JA when he was still a married man. So YH’s cheating also created the same space in the mind of viewers to withhold harsh judgment on DH’s actions.

 

 

On 3/8/2022 at 2:18 PM, YukawaCattle said:

Then we came to see how DH had a "friendly" dinner with JA in EP7.

 

Actually, he is still a little bit guilty, but of course, it's much better than the previous episodes.

 

In fact, JA also noticed that, but she immediately refused to think like "because I am a woman." She doesn't have enough confidence to think she attracts DH and then he wants to have dinner with her. She thinks that DH is simply taking pity on her.

 

This has been on my mind lately so I wanted to expound further. 

 

JA not having enough confidence to attract DH at this point can be due to four scenarios:

 

1. She does not find herself pretty, and thus lacks self-confidence that she can attract DH

2. She knows she is pretty, but due to DH being righteous and thus having strong will-power to resist temptations, she doubts she can attract DH

3. She knows she is pretty, but DH might not find her as such, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder

4. She knows she is pretty, but her family, social, and educational background might be a hindrance for DH to like her

 

I’ll first tackle point 1 above. There has been discussions whether JA finds herself pretty. Lately I came to realize that she does find herself pretty, and has that self-awareness in her.

 

During her planned dinner with DH at the tail end of ep 3 that was abruptly cut when DH walked out, she had this line:

 

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To me, for someone to have the audacity to say that line to someone implies that person have some level of self-confidence and also that person is aware of her own attractiveness.

 

Also, the fact that her plan is to create a scandal with DH involving herself.. Again it implies she has the self-confidence to believe men of weaker resolve would fall for her trap. If she don’t find herself attractive, I doubt she would have the confidence to plan a scandal that involved her. (Men have the right to be choosy, too, ya know.. :lol:) She would have gone for other plans like drugging instead as she did to PDU.

 

Going back, JA refusing to think that “she is a woman” to DH at this point in the show was brought more by either points 2, 3 or 4 above. Since JA mentioned about DH pitying her, that's related to point 4. And since DH did resist the physical temptation that she brought forth in ep 3 when she kissed him, JA could also be thinking it was because of point 2 above, that is, DH got enough will to resist the temptation. But it could also be point 3 above, at least from JA’s view at that point in time, that perhaps DH simply didn’t find her attractive enough to fall for the temptation. :unsure:

 

And she only got her validation by the end of ep 7 when she heard DH described her as pretty. So from that point on, she knew it was point 2 above, at least as far as temptations go. Like when she told DJY in ep 11 that she plans to  sleep with DH, they both knew she had to resort to spiking his drink in order to achieve that, and they also both knew that was just a bluff. :lol:

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14 hours ago, Benz said:

My dumb butt thought you listed all of Sanghoon’s “homophobic” jokes and was like “Huh???”

 

:joy:

 

14 hours ago, Benz said:

Your posts are amazing @YukawaCattle!

 

Thanks. :star:

It means a lot.

 

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9 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

Good question! I never thought about that...but you're right, I don't think she ever eats there. We don't see Dong Hoon there, either...guess the show didn't think it was important to show what they do for their meals, except when Ji An meets with DJY? And the one time DH "visits" YH to "eat with her" (or check out the phone booth near her office).

 

I remember in EP9 Yoon also asking where are DH and Chief Song.
So normally they should also eat in the staff cafeteria for lunch.

 

9 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

I still think it's crazy that he and Yoon Hee share a bed. Seems like it would be such a strange dynamic. But I guess they've gotten used to it over time.

 

I would also like to ask about this.
Shouldn't people usually sleep in separate rooms under such situation?

 

9 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

YAY!!! Love that you collected all of these! He is so funny and verbal, and just says whatever is on his mind. I didn't realize he had so many of these. I remember the Mark Darcy one but not the others. Thank you! So are you learning more Korean now, then? :lol:

 

I still only know how to write "LSK". :sweatingbullets:

 

9 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

This is not one of his homophonic riffs, but my favorite monologue of Sang Hoon's is in the beginning of Episode 11, when he talks about turning 50 and wanting to make an unforgettable memory, and grouchy Ki Hoon keeps moving around so Sang Hoon also gets grouchy.

 

Grouchy Park Brothers are the best!

 

I also like this plot, lol.
It was really funny.
And later, SH looked very lost, and did not continue to speak.
Poor SH, lol.

 

9 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

It's interesting that in Episode 15, in the scene in the shack, Netflix has DH saying, "How could a little kid like you end up doing this because you pitied an adult like me?"

 

But the subtitles in Viki say, "How can you feel bad for an adult like me?"

 

I wonder which subtitles are more accurate....the Netflix ones bring up him saying "little kid" again, but the ones in Viki give Ji An a bit more dignity and treat her more like an equal.

 

Indeed, he was still talking about "child."

The original dialogue is as follows.

 

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Original dialogue: 너 처럼 어린애가 어떻게...

Google translation: How can a child like you...

 

It seems like that 어린애 means child in Korean.

 

But I don't think it really means that he really regards she's a child. It's just on the surface.

Asian elders, who influenced by Confucianism, usually call or regard the people under the age of 30 who with childish face as child.

 

So I think in the EP15, he should be referred to, "Why can you understand my pain at such a young age?"

DH should be very distressed that JA can understand so many painful things at her age. So it does not really mean that she is a child. Because we don't forget in the latter scene that he wanted to touch her hand, and it's because he considered that she is an adult, a woman, so he didn't touch her in the end.

 

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It's because DH realizes that JA is an adult, so he feels bad if he touches her.

 

So he outwardly calls her a child, inwardly he knows "she is an adult."

So calling her child is just a way to protect himself.

 

 

The following scenes are other examples.

 

 

EP2(1) Even though he said JA is just a girl, 

 

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Original dialogue: 어려 임마 

Translation: She is young and just a child.

Naver said 애 means child.

 

KH's words still shook his heart.

 

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EP2(2) He kept looking back to see if other people were watching them while JA was eating.

 

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But if JA is really a child, he doesn't have to worry so much because others will also think they are just father and daughter.

 

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EP3(1) He asks what JA's father does and says it is a common question when an adult meets a child.

 

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DH: What does your father do?

 

JA: What does your father do, Mister? I am not curious in the slightest. So why are you curious about my father?

 

DH: It's a simple question.

 

JA: Why would you just ask such a question?

 

DH: Adults just ask such question to the young ones.*

( *Original dialogues: "어들들은 애들보면 그냥 물어봐. 그런거." Google translation: "When you see kids, just ask. like that.")

(애들  means children.)

 

But he pulled down the curtain and did not want people to see them.

 

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Again, if JA is really a child, others will also think they are just father and daughter, so DH doesn't need to worry so much.

So in his heart he also knew that this was not the case.

 

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EP3(2) When SH makes fun of him and JA, then DH mentions EJ.

 

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SH: You became younger in a matter of a few days, my brother.

 

DH: ……

 

SH: You wake up cheerfully now, right?

 

DH: Stop.

 

SH: What did the two of you do yesterday?

 

DH: I told you to stop. She is only a girl. Why would you make such remarks about someone else's daughter? How would you feel if some jerks talk about Eun-jin that way?

 

 

Notice that DH actually has a ambiguity logic here. He puts "daughters" and "girls" together.

But logically, "daughters" are not necessarily "girls." EJ, SH's daughter who he mentioned, is exactly a woman.

 

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It seems like he regards JA as a child on the surface, but he actually regards JA as the same as EJ thus he think it makes sense to mention EJ here.

That is, he actually regards JA as also a woman in his subconscious.

 

(By the way, so Netflix actually does not forget EJ's name!!!)

 

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EP5 He asks about JA's name because he says he has a child named JS.

 

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DH: What does "Ji" mean? My son's name is Ji-seok.

 

JA: It means "To reach."

 

DH: How about "An"?

 

JA: It means "Comfort."

 

DH: ⋯⋯How nice. It's a good name.

 

 

But if he really wants to regard JS and JA as the same, that is, if he really thinks JA is also a child just like JS, I think he may also introduce the meaning of "Ji-Seok" like: "Ji means......, and Seok means....... How about yours?"

 

But he didn't introduce his child's name. He only wants to hear JA explains her name. It seems like the main idea is he only wants to hear her answer. That is, he just wants to know more about her. So he mentioned JS is just an excuse. It's because JS and JA are pronounced the same in the first words(Ji-), he has such an excuse to ask the meaning of JA's name.

 

This is again a nice excuse arranged by the writer PHY, just like the tea room in Saman E&C, lol.

(I think we can already see lots of nice excuses for DH, which are arranged by the MM crew. The bus in EP10 is also the one. They are really nice to him, lol.)

 

So every time DH calls JA a child on the surface, I think the audience can see from the lines or the shots that DH doesn't feel exactly the same idea inside his heart.

His actions and subconscious reveal a lot of things that he doesn't think JA is only a child.

That is to say, he knew she was much younger than him, but definitely not a child.

He calls her child that is just a way to protect himself and gives an excuse for himself to get close to her.

 

 

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6 hours ago, actionscript said:

JA not having enough confidence to attract DH at this point can be due to four scenarios:

 

1. She does not find herself pretty, and thus lacks self-confidence that she can attract DH

2. She knows she is pretty, but due to DH being righteous and thus having strong will-power to resist temptations, she doubts she can attract DH

3. She knows she is pretty, but DH might not find her as such, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder

4. She knows she is pretty, but her family, social, and educational background might be a hindrance for DH to like her

 

I thought your questions for a while.

 

My opinion is that Ji-An was prepared to bring scandal to Dong Hoon by seducing him in the beginning.


But I don't think she would think she is so pretty herself. Maybe she is just young and can attract some "Ahjussi".

 

When Dong-hoon was reluctant to have dinner with Ji-an, she was actually a bit surprised that this "Ahjussi" seemed different from others.


At the end of episode 8, we can tell that she really doesn't have a high opinion of herself, that is the reason she said “which man would be crazy enough to fall for a woman like me?”

 

She also acted confused about DJY's plan to ask her to date Dong-hoon, and stupidly asked, "What should I do?  Should I take off my clothes and jump on him?"

 

This is one of the few times that Ji-An showed her ignorance about an area.

 

All in all, I think she thinks she's just not ugly, but not necessarily pretty. And feels that she doesn't really have any real attraction to Dong-hoon.

 

That's why she was so shocked by the line —— “when he has dinner and drinks with you, he must like you" - it turns out that Ahjussi might have fallen for her.

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10 hours ago, actionscript said:

JA not having enough confidence to attract DH at this point can be due to four scenarios:

 

1. She does not find herself pretty, and thus lacks self-confidence that she can attract DH

2. She knows she is pretty, but due to DH being righteous and thus having strong will-power to resist temptations, she doubts she can attract DH

3. She knows she is pretty, but DH might not find her as such, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder

4. She knows she is pretty, but her family, social, and educational background might be a hindrance for DH to like her

 

Wow!!!

A new matrix!!!  :1646639759_ezgif.com-gif-maker(1):

 

10 hours ago, actionscript said:

I’ll first tackle point 1 above. There has been discussions whether JA finds herself pretty. Lately I came to realize that she does find herself pretty, and has that self-awareness in her.

 

During her planned dinner with DH at the tail end of ep 3 that was abruptly cut when DH walked out, she had this line:

 

To me, for someone to have the audacity to say that line to someone implies that person have some level of self-confidence and also that person is aware of her own attractiveness.

 

Also, the fact that her plan is to create a scandal with DH involving herself.. Again it implies she has the self-confidence to believe men of weaker resolve would fall for her trap. If she don’t find herself attractive, I doubt she would have the confidence to plan a scandal that involved her. (Men have the right to be choosy, too, ya know.. :lol:) She would have gone for other plans like drugging instead as she did to PDU.

 

Going back, JA refusing to think that “she is a woman” to DH at this point in the show was brought more by either points 2, 3 or 4 above. Since JA mentioned about DH pitying her, that's related to point 4. And since DH did resist the physical temptation that she brought forth in ep 3 when she kissed him, JA could also be thinking it was because of point 2 above, that is, DH got enough will to resist the temptation. But it could also be point 3 above, at least from JA’s view at that point in time, that perhaps DH simply didn’t find her attractive enough to fall for the temptation. :unsure:

 

And she only got her validation by the end of ep 7 when she heard DH described her as pretty. So from that point on, she knew it was point 2 above, at least as far as temptations go. Like when she told DJY in ep 11 that she plans to  sleep with DH, they both knew she had to resort to spiking his drink in order to achieve that, and they also both knew that was just a bluff. :lol:

 

You have a nice answer to analyze JA's thoughts!

Thanks for that!

What I actually wanted to ask before is this!

And I agree that JA should really want to seduce DH at first because she heard DH say this:

 

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DH: Do you think I haven’t caused trouble because I am strong against temptations? There haven’t been any temptations. So I don’t know whether I am strong against temptations.

 

Then she decided to kiss him and start a scandalous plan with him.

 

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From the above, it seems that she wants to become a temptation for DH, so at that time, I think she should feel that she has a way to make DH fall in love with her.
(Whether it's a physical or another way to get DH hooked on her, she should be thinking of a long-term plan at that time.)

 

But I think after she failed in EP4, she may be a little bit unconfident that she can get DH hooked on herself.
And most importantly, after she completely falls in love with DH after EP5, she becomes more unconfident because she thinks DH is a very nice person and can't match him. Her idea is just like what OST4 Dear Moon writes, she thinks she is not qualified to have DH.

 

This is probably the reason why JA was so excited to run to DH when she heard that he says she was pretty in EP7.

 

But what she said to DJY in EP8 was still strange for me.

 

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Because she knew that KI liked her.

 

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This may be just a superficial sentence to DJY, but it sounds like her true idea to herself. And I think she is actually not saying that there is no man who will like her, but because the person she likes (PDH) is too excellent for her, she feels that she is not worthy, so she says that no one will like her.

 

This feels like a kind of perfectionism that you says you are a loser because you can't succeed to get what you want. But actually in the same field, you still have other things. So actually, you said you have nothing just because you don't need them.

 

So it is because KI is not the guy she likes, she said no man would love her.
I think her idea is like that in EP8.

 

So according to your matrix, I think the process of JA in the whole drama before 3/4 of EP16 is 0->1->2->4.

(0 is "She thinks she can attract some men but doesn't necessarily think she's pretty." Just like what @Thomas Zhang said.)

 

By the way, @Thomas Zhang actually has a nice article discussed about the related thing about this and my idea is based on his article.

I will translate it into English recently for you guys.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Thomas Zhang said:

But I don't think she would think she is so pretty herself. Maybe she is just young and can attract some "Ahjussi".

 

When Dong-hoon was reluctant to have dinner with Ji-an, she was actually a bit surprised that this "Ahjussi" seemed different from others.

 

On second thought, yes this could also be true. She doesn't necessarily see herself as a bombshell, (though with IU playing the character, suspending disbelief would be quite a challenge, no matter how unkempt JA is.. :D), her youth can definitely still attract some lesser ahjussis. But yes, she slowly gets to realize DH is of a different breed of ahjussi. 

 

 

21 hours ago, Thomas Zhang said:

She also acted confused about DJY's plan to ask her to date Dong-hoon, and stupidly asked, "What should I do?  Should I take off my clothes and jump on him?"

 

This is one of the few times that Ji-An showed her ignorance about an area.

 

I didn’t get the ignorant vibe in that exchange, at least based on JA’s facial expressions. When she was answering that particular question, she had a sarcastic smirk on her face:

 

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I could be wrong though. These facial cues are so subtle, that’s why different people get different things from so many of the scenes in the show. :sweat_smile:

 

I actually admired the range of emotions she was able to express in that whole exchange with DJY, as she vacillated among these feelings:

-  Concern and disdain as to what harm DJY is actually planning on DH

-  Guilt as she could still be playing a role in DJY’s evil plans

-  Sarcasm as she is recording the whole conversation which she knew can be used against DJY. (In ep 16, it is actually this conversation that was replayed by the police investigator to DJY and his lawyer to prove DJY’s guilt)

- Child-like innocence, shock, and wonder all at the same time as she grappled with the words “DH dining and drinking with you means he likes you.”

 

 

18 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:

Wow!!!

A new matrix!!!  :1646639759_ezgif.com-gif-maker(1):

 

I should change my profile name from actionscript to The Matrix. ^_^

 

18 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:

And I agree that JA should really want to seduce DH at first because she heard DH say this:

 

From the above, it seems that she wants to become a temptation for DH, so at that time, I think she should feel that she has a way to make DH fall in love with her.
(Whether it's a physical or another way to get DH hooked on her, she should be thinking of a long-term plan at that time.)

 

Yes, the show nicely placed that scene of JA with fire on the background to portray her as the object of DH's temptation. I actually didn’t think the plan of JA in creating a scandal with DH entailed going all the way though. I think what she had in mind was just to routinely go out with him to create a rumor at the office, and if that failed (which it did when DH halted them), then just grab a photo of them kissing, which she was able to do, though that eventually also failed in achieving its aim. But yes, in order to carry these out, she must still at least gain some level of interest from DH, that is, be attractive to him in one way or another.

 

18 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:

DH: Do you think I haven’t caused trouble because I am strong against temptations? There haven’t been any temptations. So I don’t know whether I am strong against temptations.

 

It’s very understated how this line from DH permeated much of the story’s plot. Though at the surface it pertained to physical temptation, it is more so the emotional temptation that DH grappled with pretty much from the middle episodes all the way to ¾ of ep 16 that was the real challenge for him.

 

18 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:

But I think after she failed in EP4, she may be a little bit unconfident that she can get DH hooked on herself.
And most importantly, after she completely falls in love with DH after EP5, she becomes more unconfident because she thinks DH is a very nice person and can't match him. Her idea is just like what OST4 Dear Moon writes, she thinks she is not qualified to have DH.

 

This is probably the reason why JA was so excited to run to DH when she heard that he says she was pretty in EP7.

 

This is so true! As she has slowly learned to like DH, the glaring differences in their social stature and in their inherent "kindness" have become more apparent to her, making her less confident as you said. And yes, it was nicely captured in the lyrics of Dear Moon.

 

18 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:

But what she said to DJY in EP8 was still strange for me.

 

This may be just a superficial sentence to DJY, but it sounds like her true idea to herself. And I think she is actually not saying that there is no man who will like her, but because the person she likes (PDH) is too excellent for her, she feels that she is not worthy, so she says that no one will like her.

 

Yes good point! JA’s “What kind of nutcase would like a girl like me?” is more of point 4 of the matrix above, that is, more than her physical attributes, it is more about her circumstances – an orphan with no parents, no money and in debt, no education, who washes dishes, and most of all, a murderer (in her thoughts). In that context, how could someone of DH’s stature, who’s up for promotion to become a company director, fall for someone like her?

 

The flow of the conversation also pointed to this chain of thought. Initially, she thought it was about sleeping with him, where success would rely on her physical attributes and on the prey’s willpower to resist. But when DJY suggested it’s not about that, but more on dating DH for real, that’s where point 4 of the matrix came into the picture and JA's lack of confidence surfaced.

 

 

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Off to another point.. These conversations between JA and DH that were just played out through the recordings are very significant for me. More than just providing the history between JA and KI, it showed the level of closeness, the emotional intimacy, that Dong Hoon and Ji An have already achieved that was not explicitly shown in many of their conversations. Their dinner and walk-home conversations were in many ways already quite intimate – their philosophical musings and outlook in life, their plans, etc. But there is something deeply more intimate in sharing your deepest thoughts and secrets about the people and relationships in your life..  And though played to us the viewers only through a recording, its significance should not be overlooked.

 

18 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:

By the way, @Thomas Zhang actually has a nice article discussed about the related thing about this and my idea is based on his article.

I will translate it into English recently for you guys.

 

I used google translate and I think it did a decent job. Yes very nice article! JA is indeed suffering from the Jonah complex as far as her relationship with DH is concerned. Quite insightful!

 

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@actionscript @YukawaCattle @Thomas Zhang Great discussion! Making me think for sure! For me, I think it's interesting that the concept of "pretty" didn't really come into importance in the show until Episode 7, even though in earlier episodes Ji An had been relying on her youth and initiative to trap Dong Hoon, mostly by kissing him. She had the confidence to kiss him and the optimism to trap him through it (until he put an end to that), but as far as DH actually liking her for who she was (a later deeper desire once she came to respect him more, given that so many others had shunned her once they found out about her past)...she didn't have much confidence in that.

 

On 3/11/2022 at 5:22 AM, actionscript said:

JA not having enough confidence to attract DH at this point can be due to four scenarios:

 

1. She does not find herself pretty, and thus lacks self-confidence that she can attract DH

2. She knows she is pretty, but due to DH being righteous and thus having strong will-power to resist temptations, she doubts she can attract DH

3. She knows she is pretty, but DH might not find her as such, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder

4. She knows she is pretty, but her family, social, and educational background might be a hindrance for DH to like her

 

Nice new matrix!! :gangnamstyle:

 

I know we are just talking about her discussion with DJY in Episode 8, but throughout the series I think JA's confidence is also related to whether DH thinks of her as "nice." In other words, DH called JA pretty (which she overheard - he never said it to her face) but he really affected her, too, when he called her "nice" to her face. Having him validate her as being a good person was healing for her, as she had lived for so long thinking she was a murderer. In fact, self-defense and protecting a loved one (halmeoni) is a pretty darn good reason for taking someone's life. But there were not many in her life who could tell her that she did the right thing.

 

Anyhoo, it's interesting to keep thinking about the "Is she pretty or nice?" conversation that DH and his family had at omma's birthday party (also in Ep 8!) and to know that JA was seen as both by DH.

 

On 3/11/2022 at 5:47 AM, YukawaCattle said:

I remember in EP9 Yoon also asking where are DH and Chief Song.
So normally they should also eat in the staff cafeteria for lunch.

 

Ah, good catch. Thanks! So Team Three really does spend a lot of time together.

 

On 3/11/2022 at 5:47 AM, YukawaCattle said:

I would also like to ask about this.
Shouldn't people usually sleep in separate rooms under such situation?

 

 

Yeah. I would think this would be pretty unbearable, to be that physically close to someone, every night, when you didn't have much emotional connection with them anymore. Especially once he found out she had been giving her body to his nemesis! Blech!! :wacko:

 

On 3/11/2022 at 5:47 AM, YukawaCattle said:

Indeed, he was still talking about "child."

 

Thanks for breaking these down.

 

On 3/11/2022 at 5:47 AM, YukawaCattle said:

Because we don't forget in the latter scene that he wanted to touch her hand, and it's because he considered that she is an adult, a woman, so he didn't touch her in the end.

 

I agree with you...he couldn't let himself touch her, even to comfort her. And the only time he did touch her was in the morgue...and in that moment JA was so sad and lost that it seemed very appropriate for him to support her then. I think in that scene she looked like the young person she was.

 

On 3/11/2022 at 5:47 AM, YukawaCattle said:

DH: I told you to stop. She is only a girl. Why would you make such remarks about someone else's daughter? How would you feel if some jerks talk about Eun-jin that way?

 

 

Notice that DH actually has a ambiguity logic here. He puts "daughters" and "girls" together.

But logically, "daughters" are not necessarily "girls." EJ, SH's daughter who he mentioned, is exactly a woman.

 

Great, perfect logical insight! Very helpful.

 

5 hours ago, actionscript said:

Off to another point.. These conversations between JA and DH that were just played out through the recordings are very significant for me. More than just providing the history between JA and KI, it showed the level of closeness, the emotional intimacy, that Dong Hoon and Ji An have already achieved that was not explicitly shown in many of their conversations. Their dinner and walk-home conversations were in many ways already quite intimate – their philosophical musings and outlook in life, their plans, etc. But there is something deeply more intimate in sharing your deepest thoughts and secrets about the people and relationships in your life..  And though played to us the viewers only through a recording, its significance should not be overlooked.

 

Yes, I loved that glimpse we got into a conversation that we never got to see on-camera. In this conversation they seemed very relaxed and close indeed. And DH always seemed to know the right thing to say to JA (naturally), just like she knew what to say to him (partially through wiretapping him :lol:).

 

I have to admit that after I heard this conversation I was trying to fit it into when they possibly could have had that conversation, timing-wise, since there were various periods of estrangement, what with all the ignoring and hitting going on. And between their reconciliation in Ep 12 and her disappearance in Ep 13, not much time elapsed.

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16 hours ago, actionscript said:

I should change my profile name from actionscript to The Matrix. ^_^

 

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16 hours ago, actionscript said:

I actually didn’t think the plan of JA in creating a scandal with DH entailed going all the way though. I think what she had in mind was just to routinely go out with him to create a rumor at the office, and if that failed (which it did when DH halted them), then just grab a photo of them kissing, which she was able to do, though that eventually also failed in achieving its aim.

 

You are right, she needs the money urgently and may not want to have a long term plan.

 

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So as you said, the top is to have plan A and plan B.

 

By the way, I always think that JA does't know there is a consequence that DH will fire her if she kisses him. 
Look at her surprised face.

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And it seems like she really needs to earn money in such a pay-well company.

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"You can't kill me. But I can kill you. I get paid 1.1 million won from there. I have to pay you 1.2 million won a month. I wash the dishes two to three hours every night to pay the rent. I do all that so I don't kill you. If you make me get fired, and I lose that pay, I'll be left with only one chice."

 

Although she would be debt-free after she got the 10 million, she still had to pay rent and take care of her grandmother (At that time, she didn't know there was social welfare that could let grandmother live in the nursing home and don't need to pay money). So I think she would have chosen the way that she can staying at the company but getting DH fired at the same time.

 

So if she knows she will be fired for doing this, I think she may not do it.

 

By the way again, I actually a little bit curious about KB's idea.

What would he think of his friend executing such "kiss Ahjussi plan" in order to earn 10 million, lol.
The problem can be solved by drugging DH, but JA chooses to kiss him.

So I am curious about KB's thoughts, lol.

 

16 hours ago, actionscript said:

It’s very understated how this line from DH permeated much of the story’s plot. Though at the surface it pertained to physical temptation, it is more so the emotional temptation that DH grappled with pretty much from the middle episodes all the way to ¾ of ep 16 that was the real challenge for him.

 

I actually always think that DH has already failed at resisting temptation if an emotional affair counts.

I agree with this article.

He should have kept his distance from JA, but he didn't. 

I think he got closer and closer to JA.

So he is not successful in resisting emotional affairs.

 

But for the person who only admits physical affair, then DH is still successful.

 

16 hours ago, actionscript said:

Off to another point.. These conversations between JA and DH that were just played out through the recordings are very significant for me. More than just providing the history between JA and KI, it showed the level of closeness, the emotional intimacy, that Dong Hoon and Ji An have already achieved that was not explicitly shown in many of their conversations. Their dinner and walk-home conversations were in many ways already quite intimate – their philosophical musings and outlook in life, their plans, etc. But there is something deeply more intimate in sharing your deepest thoughts and secrets about the people and relationships in your life..  And though played to us the viewers only through a recording, its significance should not be overlooked.

 

You mentioned a very good point.
It reminds me of what EP11 JA said to BA.

 

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JA: He's doing well. He also asked me if you're doing well. He often buys me food. And he also helps me out at work. I think he'll get promoted soon. 

 

But up to EP11, we've only seen them have dinner together once on EP6 and have dinner twice together on EP7, so that does mean they've dinner more times than we've seen and got closer than we imagined.
 

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11 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

@actionscript @YukawaCattle @Thomas Zhang Great discussion! Making me think for sure! For me, I think it's interesting that the concept of "pretty" didn't really come into importance in the show until Episode 7, even though in earlier episodes Ji An had been relying on her youth and initiative to trap Dong Hoon, mostly by kissing him. She had the confidence to kiss him and the optimism to trap him through it (until he put an end to that), but as far as DH actually liking her for who she was (a later deeper desire once she came to respect him more, given that so many others had shunned her once they found out about her past)...she didn't have much confidence in that.

 

I know we are just talking about her discussion with DJY in Episode 8, but throughout the series I think JA's confidence is also related to whether DH thinks of her as "nice." In other words, DH called JA pretty (which she overheard - he never said it to her face) but he really affected her, too, when he called her "nice" to her face. Having him validate her as being a good person was healing for her, as she had lived for so long thinking she was a murderer. In fact, self-defense and protecting a loved one (halmeoni) is a pretty darn good reason for taking someone's life. But there were not many in her life who could tell her that she did the right thing.

 

You did a great job of explaining JA's mental state.
So the audience should understand how much it meant to JA when she proposed a hug in EP13.
After DH praised her three times, JA started to feel worthy, like she had the right to have more precious things, so she began to want to hug DH, and she also asked out in his face. 

Before this, perhaps she would not have dared to think so.

It was DH who gave her the courage and confidence to do so.

 

11 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

Anyhoo, it's interesting to keep thinking about the "Is she pretty or nice?" conversation that DH and his family had at omma's birthday party (also in Ep 8!) and to know that JA was seen as both by DH.


I would like to make an off topic about this article.
I think @chickfactor's idea to explain SH's thought is very accurate. But I think in the earlier episodes, SH should already feel a little bit that DH and YH have some problems, that's why he wants to help to make DH's answer sound better.
I've compiled some signs, and maybe next time I'll bring them up and discuss them with you guys.

 

11 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

I agree with you...he couldn't let himself touch her, even to comfort her. And the only time he did touch her was in the morgue...and in that moment JA was so sad and lost that it seemed very appropriate for him to support her then. I think in that scene she looked like the young person she was.

 

Your words make me very sure that the MM crew will always arrange a reasonable scene or excuse for DH to get close to JA and touch her.

And this reminds me of one thing.

 

As @actionscript mentioned in the old post, JA looked like she was only a little kid. So if we only consider the appearance, the "child" indeed is a reasonable excuse for DH to approach JA even though she is not actually a child.

But if you follow this idea, you will find an interesting thing.

 

As @actionscript mentioned in the old post, in the final scene JA wears make-up and looks more mature in that scene.

So theoretically, I think not so many audiences will still say that she looks like a child. 

 

She is a woman in that scene, not a girl anymore.
 

In other words, the excuse ("She is a child/girl") that PDH always uses to get close to LJA in the before episodes have already disappeared.

 

However, in such a situation that PDH without any excuse, PDH still looks at her from toe to head, took the initiative to shake hands, and promised to have dinner with JA. (!)

What does this mean?

 

PDH, you can't regard her as a child anymore, so what kind of mentality did you use to look at her, ask for a handshake, and promise to have dinner together afterward? :surprisedwut:

 

11 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

I have to admit that after I heard this conversation I was trying to fit it into when they possibly could have had that conversation, timing-wise, since there were various periods of estrangement, what with all the ignoring and hitting going on. And between their reconciliation in Ep 12 and her disappearance in Ep 13, not much time elapsed.

 

About the time-line, the writer PHY said this conversation is after EP9, but she didn't say when.

It seems like that she didn't answer the question, lol.

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The hints of the DH's affections in the Park brothers' shots.

 

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Continuing from the last articles about the script of the Park brothers and DH's affections (SH KH), this article will talk about the director KWS's shots hint which hidden in the Park brothers.

 

The director KWS actually already use the shots to hide lots of hints to tell the audiences that "the DongAn-KH&YR correspondence" and "DongYui-SH&AR correspondence." This article will list most of them.

 

The GMS article THE PARK BROTHERS inspired this article. Thanks to the authors( @akhenaten@andyprue, and @sadiesmith ) for their discussion and thoughtful contributions.

 

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Let's write the conclusion first.

 

-The conclusion of this article -

 

The condition of the Park brothers is "generally speaking" one or both of the following.

 

(A) When the plot is pro-DongAn, and if DH has a conflict with his brother, that guy will be SH.

 

(B) When the plot is pro-DongYui, and if DH has a conflict with his brother, that guy will be KH.

 

(C) When the plot is anti-DongAn, and if DH has a conflict with his brother, that guy will be KH.

 

(D) When the plot is anti-DongYui, and if DH has a conflict with his brother, that guy will be SH.

 

(E) When the Park brothers are not in conflict and the plot is pro-DongAn, DH will be closer to KH and further away from SH.

 

(F) When the Park brothers are not in conflict and the plot is pro-DongYui, DH will be closer to SH and further away from KH.

 

(G) When the Park brothers are not in conflict and the plot is anti-DongAn, DH will be closer to SH and further away from KH.

 

(H) When the Park brothers are not in conflict and the plot is anti-DongYui, DH will be closer to KH and further away from SH.

 

A, C, E, and G will give the audience the feeling of "the DongAn-KH&YR correspondence", while B, D, F, and H will give the audience the feeling of "DongYui-SH&AR correspondence."

 

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-Remarks-

 

1. The meaning of "pro-": the plot gives the audience a feeling that "DH seems to be with her afterward." The meaning of "anti-": The opposite situation of "pro-."

 

2. The descriptions of E, F, G, and H refer to the beginning of the clips. After which, the course of the clips does not necessarily maintain the theory described above.

 

3. I use the word "generally speaking" in conclusion table because it is difficult for me to write a precise definition. There will be some exceptions, so it is somewhat strange to use this conclusion table in some situations. But generally speaking the situations are all like this.

If you have any ideas on how to modify this conclusion table, please leave a comment below.

 

The following paragraphs will list the scenes of the Park brothers, and I will indicate they are which kind of the above descriptions.

 

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-Observation in the same episodes-

 

EP1 When the Park brothers buy a suit, KH is far away from SH and DH at the beginning of this scene. (F)

 

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SH said he didn't need to bother DH to buy a suit for himself. KH told him just to let DH buy it for him. When DH heard this, he asked KH if he had a suit that he could wear to the wedding, and KH thought he was nagging, and they had a little conflict. (B)

 

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When KH received the call, DH took the money and given it to SH. (F)

 

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DH said YH gave this. She had to go on a business trip and couldn't attend SH's daughter's wedding. 

SH was unhappy that YH couldn't come to the wedding and questioned whether she really went on a business trip. This comment actually shows that YH has some problems with DH, so it is anti-DongYui. (D)

 

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EP1 DH says that SH's script will not be popular because there are no women. After this plot, he met JA on the subway. (E)

 

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EP1 The Park brothers get together after the wedding ceremony. DH is sitting on the same side with SH and opposite side to KH. After this plot, the plot where YH makes her first appearance with DH follows. (F)

 

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EP1, near the end of the episode, when DongAn had their first meal and was seen by the Park brothers, KH came out first while SH was still watching. (E)

 

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When the Park brothers saw DH drinking alone with a woman, they stopped him.

 

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After that, DH had a conflict with his brothers. SH is not happy about this and says that he is going to tell YH about it. (A)

 

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EP2 DH calls KH to tell him that he lost 50 million won. Then KH yells at DH. (C)

 

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When the Park brothers meet, KH asks DH to give him JA's phone, and he wants to call her. But DH says he doesn't remember the number, the number is in his cell phone, and the company took it away. Then KH has a confrontation with DH. (C)

 

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EP2 DH talks to his brothers about JA throwing away 50 million won. (E)

 

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KH seriously and kindly tells DH that JA likes him and asks him to stay away from her. (E)

 

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While SH is frivolously joking about it and even teasing him. (This is a kind of conflict between DH and SH.) (A)

 

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EP3 DH starts to distance himself from JA the day she drugged DW because he noticed her attraction to him. That night, he has a conflict with SH. (A)

 

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SH: You became younger in a matter of a few days, my brother.

 

DH: ......

 

SH: You wake up cheerfully now, right?

 

DH: Stop.

 

SH: What did the two of you do yesterday?

 

DH: I told you to stop. She is only a girl. Why would you make such remarks about someone else's daughter? How would you feel if some jerks talk about Eun-jin that way?

 

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SH: Why would you bring her up? What fun do I have in life other than teasing you? Besides, even if you aren't interested, she...

 

DH: (Glared at SH)

 

SH: All right. Okay. For goodness' sake. It was the first fun incident in a while. I suddenly feel bored. 

 

DH: ......

 

SH: I knew you wouldn't cause trouble. You are strong against temptations.

 

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DH: Do you think I haven't caused trouble because I am strong against temptations? There haven't been any temptations. So I don't know whether I am strong against temptations.

 

 

EP4 DH keeps thinking about what JA told him, and at the end of this episode, he tells KH "Someone gets me. I think I get her, too."

He was seated close to KH at this moment but at a distance from SH. (E) 

 

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"Someone gets me. I think I get her, too." (0: 19~end)

 

 

EP5 SH asks about JA again. Then SH and DH has another confrontation. (A)

 

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Later, SH even said that JA's face was very gloomy, then DH asked him to shut up. (A)

 

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EP5 The clip of DongAn friendly chat on the road. (0:00~1:56)

 

 

EP6 DH is upset because of YH's affair. He had a soccer game with his friends, but he got angry and left in the middle of the game. SH asks KH to call DH, but he doesn't answer the phone. (F)

 

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EP6 JA runs towards DH. When JA finally finds him, the position of DH and KH are closer at first. (E)

 

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When JA left because she felt relieved that DH was safe, it was still KH who was closer to DH. (E)

 

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EP6 DH has been thinking about his unhappy relationship with YH all day, so he gets closer to KH when he drinks. (H)

 

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SH saw that DH was in a bad mood all day, so he tried to guide him on their way home. Then DH just met YH when he came home. (F)

 

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"Men experience puberty twice. Once when their energy increases and once when their energy decreases. Don't try so hard when your energy decreases. You will look pathetic. You will only be annoyed. Just let it play out."

 

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EP7 After going to the camping site, DH goes to JH's bar to drink with his brothers. He gets close to KH and has a distance from SH at this scene. (He was traumatized by his marriage at this moment) (H)

 

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EP8 When DH is talking to JH about JA, who is 30, 000 years old, KH gets up to go to the toilet and passes by the two of them. SH is sitting at a distance from DH at the wooden table. (E)

 

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"I won't go to the star. It's super boring."

 

KH passes by the DH and JH. (1: 37~3:20)

 

 

EP9 DH waits for JA on the pretext of going to the supermarket. At this moment, KH calls him and urges him to come to the restaurant for tuna. Then DH and JA meet in the later scene. (E)

 

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Meeting at the subway entrance. (5:10~end)

 

 

EP9 After DH realizes that JA stole his money just for herself, he is in a bad mood for a while. Then when he goes to JH's bar and is ignored by JA. He sits next to SH and opposite KH when they drink in the next scene. (G)

 

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EP10 SH hears about DH's fight and calls him, but DH doesn't answer the phone. (E)

 

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EP11 DH recalls JA's confession and the conflict between the two of them. (G)

 

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"Next year, I'll be 50. Fifty years old. Isn't it surprising? I can't believe I haven't achieved anything for half century."

 

 

EP12 DH recalls his honesty to YH. (H)

 

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DH: Why?Why did you do something like that? Tell me why! You're Ji-seok's mother. You have a child. Why? Why him of all people? Let's say I wasn't enough for you. Let's say I tried, and came up terribly short. Fine. Let's say you wanted a divorce. But how can you fool around with him? Are you that poor judge of character? Are you that stupid? Do you think it would be easy to divorce me if you conspired with him to fire me and leave me broke? Did you think you could live with him comfortably? Then what about Ji-seok? You couldn't have done that if you cared about Ji-seok.

 

YH:I'm sorry.

 

DH:If you had cared about your kid, you wouldn't have tried to wreck his dad like that. How could you... Why?

 

DH:I thought it might make you mad to see a mess when you're coming home after a long day of work. So I did the dishes and laundry as soon as I got home. But when you went straight to your study, I couldn't even raise the volume on the TV out here. When you told me to go buy something, I did. When you said you were going on a business trip, I believe you. I just thought you were busy when you came home late. I didn't know you were fooling around with him.

 

 

EP12 DH recalls what YH honest to him. (F)

 

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YH:You were my top priority in my life.

 

DH:You and your priorities. There are no ranks in a family.

 

YH:There should be. When you're my number one, I should be your number one. There is no second place in love. If you love someone second best, that's not love. Do you even love me second best? You always say you want a big car. You always say you want a big car for the whole family. There are only three of us. Why do we need a nine-passenger van? When I ask you what you're doing, you say "I'm eating with my family." How can you say "I'm eating with my family" when I'm not there? When I'm not there? I went to make kimchi less than 30 days after I had Ji-seok. Because you love it when I'm good to your mother. If I was good to your mother whom you adore so much, I thought you'd be on my side. I couldn't pay my mom's hospital bills, but I didn't spare 30 million won to help your mom move to a new house. In order to win you over, I was nice to your mother, your brother, and even to Jeong-hui, But you were never fully on my side.

 

YH:I hate this neighborhood. I hate all the people around you, too.

 

YH:What's unfair is that people don't know this. That don't know how lonely you make me feel. 

 

 

EP12 DH is unhappy because of the conflict with YH. When KH notices DH's strange, he tries to ask him what's going on. But DH doesn't want to talk about it, and he feels unhappy about being asked, then KH and he have a little bit of conflict in this scene. (B)

 

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EP12 DH recalls his conversation with YH, followed by the plot of DH and JA's "looking through a window." KH is all by DH's side in these scenes. (E) (H)

 

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YH:I know what you're most scared of. What you want to avoid the most. The reason you don't want to break up this marriage is not because you still love me, right? If you want me to keep quiet and live with you for your mom and Ji-seok's sake, I will. If you can't take it anymore, if you want to end it, then let's do that. I'll do whatever you want. 

 

DH:I don't want to make you suffer just to make things easier for me. It's just that... Since we've been together for 20 years, I don't know how to end this. I don't know what I need to do to fix this. I thought I could bear it as long as you didn't know. But now it's become too hard for you and for me, too. 

 

(JA shows up.)

 

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Looking through the window clip (0:00~0:52)

 

 

EP12 DH and SH have a distance when the Hugye people walk JA home. (E)

 

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When they arrived at JA's home, SH asked CY to take care of JA. At this shot, the director even directly separated the DH and SH with a pillar. (E)

 

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EP13 The Park brothers find out about YH's affair.

 

DH had confrontations with KH twice. One is DH goes to the KH and SH's workplace, and the second is at the restaurant. SH is in charge of avoiding them to fight. (B)

 

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Note that DH and SH sat on the same side during the discussion about DongYui's divorce at the restaurant, but KH sat across from DH. (F)

 

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When they took a cab back, SH sat in the front seat while DH and KH sat together in the back seat. Then JA's text message came. (E)

 

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When KH saw that DH did not reply to the "thank you" message and heard that he only spoke verbally, he asked him to reply and said it was okay to send a "thank you" message. Later, DH explained to his brothers why he did not reply when they were walking.

 

At this scene, DH was closer to KH and had a distance from SH. (E)

 

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EP14 When DH is promoted to the executive director, the Hugye people gather at JH's bar.

 

When YH was still there, DH got closer to SH while KH sat at the bar at a distance from them. (F)

 

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DH is closer to SH and farther away from KH when YH is leaving. (F)

 

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The clip of YH's leaving. (0:00~1:23)

 

 

When DH sang to JA, he got closer to KH, and KH even patted him on the back. (E)

 

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The clip of DH singing.

 

 

 

EP15 When the Park family walked JA home together, DH and SH had a distance, and KH was closer. (E)

 

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EP16 When Hugye people gets off the car, KH and DH is closer, while SH and DH has a distance. (E)

 

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EP16 When the Park family walked JA home together, DH and SH had a distance, and KH was closer. (E)

 

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-Observation in the different episodes-

 

EP13 It's SH who calls to apologize to YH. (F)

 

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On the other hand, EP15 shows that KH calling DH to tell him about JA is in JH's bar. (E)

 

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EP14 When the Hugye people gather, DongYui and SH&AR are at the wooden table area, while KH&YR is at the bar. (F)

 

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However, after EP15 JA is in JH's bar, it becomes SH in the corner, while DongAn and KH&YR sit across from each other. (E)

 

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-A noteworthy shot -

 

According to the above, we will know that this photo in EP16 has a symbolic meaning.

 

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"All humans have self-healing abilities."

(Translation: "Even if JA is not by your side, you can still get through the damage caused by divorce on your own.")

 

The part before this plot says that YH has gone to America, and I think we all feel that she will not come back anymore. In addition, we can tell from KH's dialogues that DH is thinking about JA. And from KH's words, DH is thinking about her because he needs JA's comfort at this moment. So this plot is (E) and (H).

 

By the way, this picture and the shot in EP1 is contrasting picture.

 

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The elements of these two pictures: DH is talking to one of his brothers alone, and the other brother is not at the scene of their conversation.

 

So the contrast shows that DH finally leaves YH and leans towards JA in the end.

 

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According to the above integration, we can know that the director has been using the story of the conflict between the three brothers and the distance of the positions of the Park brothers to hint the audience that "the DongAn-KH&YR correspondence" and "DongYui-SH&AR correspondence." 

And indeed, we can go following such feeling to find these correspondences exist in the script. So the Park brothers were indeed used by the screenwriter to profile DH's affections on purpose.

 

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-Postscript-

 

This conclusion table can perhaps follow the concept of "Id, ego and super-ego," which is mentioned by @akhenaten, and write another analysis. For example, DH will conflict with SH when he is in the pro-DongAn plots is because he cannot accept that he is attracted to Ji-an and has love, so he conflicts with his super-ego. And the reason for DH's conflicts with KH when pro-DongYui is that he didn't want to be with YH anymore, but he couldn't accept the idea himself, so he had a conflict with his Id.

 

The following is an example.

 

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On the day DH decided to keep his distance from JA, we noticed that KH was outside the restaurant and SH was inside the restaurant with DH, which may be symbolized that the ego was outside is because DH successfully restrained the temptation and the super-ego was inside because it won. But at this moment, DH was still attracted to JA, and he couldn't accept it, so he had a conflict with his super-ego, like that.

 

So if the scriptwriter really designed the Park brothers to represent DH's "Id, ego, and super-ego," I think we should be able to come up with a complete picture of DH's psychological state in the whole drama with this conclusion table. But I am not good at this kind of psychological analysis, so I'll leave it to those who are interested in writing it.

 

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@YukawaCattle I need to dedicate a lot of time to read and absorb your last post! :lol: Will try to do that soon :D.

 

For now, though, I wanted to touch on a couple things from your 2nd-to-last post:

 

On 3/12/2022 at 11:47 PM, YukawaCattle said:
On 3/12/2022 at 7:49 AM, actionscript said:

Off to another point.. These conversations between JA and DH that were just played out through the recordings are very significant for me. More than just providing the history between JA and KI, it showed the level of closeness, the emotional intimacy, that Dong Hoon and Ji An have already achieved that was not explicitly shown in many of their conversations. Their dinner and walk-home conversations were in many ways already quite intimate – their philosophical musings and outlook in life, their plans, etc. But there is something deeply more intimate in sharing your deepest thoughts and secrets about the people and relationships in your life..  And though played to us the viewers only through a recording, its significance should not be overlooked.

 

You mentioned a very good point.
It reminds me of what EP11 JA said to BA.

 

On 3/12/2022 at 11:47 PM, YukawaCattle said:

JA: He's doing well. He also asked me if you're doing well. He often buys me food. And he also helps me out at work. I think he'll get promoted soon. 

 

At first I thought JA was telling the truth that DH often bought her food. So I was super surprised when watching Stephan at Man v Drama break down this scene, and he said, "That's a lie," to everything JA said to halmeoni here, except for the last line about the promotion. See starting from minute 15:40, especially 16:14 and onward.

 

 

So I actually think you're correct here:

 

On 3/12/2022 at 11:47 PM, YukawaCattle said:

But up to EP11, we've only seen them have dinner together once on EP6 and have dinner twice together on EP7

 

In Ep 9 they were estranged for a bit because he didn't want to do dinner with her after the loan-shark guy called about JA stealing the bribe. She also walked by him outside of Jung Hee's, ignoring him. Then in Ep 10 they took halmeoni to the nursing home together, but at the end of the episode he hit her. So there weren't many opportunities for them to spend time together in Ep 9 or 10's storylines. And by Ep 11, when JA is visiting BA at the nursing home, there still haven't been too many opportunities for them to spend time together, especially because they weren't really talking before the Buy Me Slippers conversation.

 

So I'm not sure if they actually did get closer up until this nursing home scene.

 

On 3/12/2022 at 11:47 PM, YukawaCattle said:

About the time-line, the writer PHY said this conversation is after EP9, but she didn't say when.

It seems like that she didn't answer the question, lol.

 

Hee hee. This does help! I actually wonder if they had this intimate conversation about JA's history with Kwang Il somewhere in the Ep 12 storyline, since it seems they really reconciled and weren't so awkward with each other once the subway scene happened.

 

On 3/12/2022 at 11:47 PM, YukawaCattle said:

She is a woman in that scene, not a girl anymore.
 

In other words, the excuse ("She is a child/girl") that PDH always uses to get close to LJA in the before episodes have already disappeared.

 

However, in such a situation that PDH without any excuse, PDH still looks at her from toe to head, took the initiative to shake hands, and promised to have dinner with JA. (!)

What does this mean?

 

PDH, you can't regard her as a child anymore, so what kind of mentality did you use to look at her, ask for a handshake, and promise to have dinner together afterward?

 

:lol: Yes! Totally agree. I like what Marla Jea says on the Man v Drama Ep 16: Part 3 thread, too:

 

"Final scene: using the basic logic of human emotion, why would Dong Hoon smile (he who never smiles) if he were still married? Wouldn’t meeting Ji An be painful if he weren’t free?" 

 

We have seen so much pain and restraint between JA and DH in the encounters leading up to the coffee shop scene, but in this final scene the way DH looks at her and shakes her hand is a significant contrast to what he was like before in her presence.

 

And I keep thinking he would definitely NOT want to lead her on if he weren't a free man....and he totally leads her on here, with his curiosity about her, his stares, and that long handshake. :wub::lol: I feel like JA would have known how to interpret all of these signals, especially after being on the receiving end of so many of his boundaries before the time skip.

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8 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

@YukawaCattle I need to dedicate a lot of time to read and absorb your last post! :lol: Will try to do that soon :D.

 

The main idea here is I want to know why the article BUY ME SLIPPERS = I LOVE YOU will show up?

 

I mean, what does the MM crew do in this drama, so people will have such feelings and ideas to know to connect "DongAn-> KH&YR", "DongYui-> SH&AR" these two groups?

 

So I follow @africandramalover's idea to read the article THE PARK BROTHERS and to collect all the Park brother's scenes. Then I found that it seems the writer PHY and the director KWS use a conception like "One negative and one positive make a negative. Two negatives make a positive" to make the mental cues to their audiences.

 

Let's take the description (A) and (C) in the conclusion list to make an example:

 

(A) When the plot is pro-DongAn, and if DH has a conflict with his brother, that guy will be SH.

 

(C) When the plot is anti-DongAn, and if DH has a conflict with his brother, that guy will be KH.

 

The question is, why do SH and KH are both clash with DH in the DongAn plots, but do people still think DH's affection for JA depends on KH's plots?

 

It is because the DongAn plots that SH clashes with DH is always pro-DongAn plots, and KH will only clash with DH when anti-DongAn plots.

 

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(C)

 

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(A)

 

So (A) is a case of "One negative and one positive make a negative," and (C) is a case of "Two negatives make a positive."

That's why we will think it makes sense to observe KH but not SH if we want to understand whether DH loves JA.

 

Other descriptions in the conclusion table are in the same logic.

 

I think this is amazing because this show not only successfully hides the secret of the Park brothers (use SH and KH to profile DH), but they can also successfully hint to their audiences that, "We actually have hidden something in the script," and we can indeed successfully find what they have hidden by their mental cues to us.

 

The most amazing thing I think is the descriptions (E), (F), (G), and (H), because they use shots to make these mental cues.

I think it requires great photography skills to do such a thing.

 

8 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

At first I thought JA was telling the truth that DH often bought her food. So I was super surprised when watching Stephan at Man v Drama break down this scene, and he said, "That's a lie," to everything JA said to halmeoni here, except for the last line about the promotion. See starting from minute 15:40, especially 16:14 and onward.

 

My take on JA's dialogue is the following.

 

JA: He's doing well. He also asked me if you're doing well. He often buys me food. And he also helps me out at work. I think he'll get promoted soon. (BA: But why are you crying?) Because I'm happy. I'm just really happy to have someone like him as a close friend.

 

I think what JA lies to her grandmother in this scene is actually the yellow sentences because other things actually happen in some episodes. For example, in EP5 and EP8, we can see that DH asks BA's thing.
And also, in EP7, DH tells JA about the information about the nursing home.

 

8 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

In Ep 9 they were estranged for a bit because he didn't want to do dinner with her after the loan-shark guy called about JA stealing the bribe. She also walked by him outside of Jung Hee's, ignoring him. Then in Ep 10 they took halmeoni to the nursing home together, but at the end of the episode he hit her. So there weren't many opportunities for them to spend time together in Ep 9 or 10's storylines. And by Ep 11, when JA is visiting BA at the nursing home, there still haven't been too many opportunities for them to spend time together, especially because they weren't really talking before the Buy Me Slippers conversation.

 

So I'm not sure if they actually did get closer up until this nursing home scene.

 

I think they should usually take the subway home together, and then when they leave the subway, JA often asks DH if he can buy her dinner, just like in EP7 and EP9.
Otherwise, there is no way to explain why EP9 DH has to wait for JA.

It is because DH knows that they are usually like this, which should be something he is very used to, but it suddenly did not happen that day, so he thinks it's strange that JA didn't get off the train.

That's why he knew she would show up if he waited for her a little bit.

(So he went to the supermarket to buy something optional things for JH. And I think it is interesting that DH was late for the tuna dinner because he was waiting for JA. It seems like waiting for JA is more important to him.)

 

8 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

:lol: Yes! Totally agree. I like what Marla Jea says on the Man v Drama Ep 16: Part 3 thread, too:

 

"Final scene: using the basic logic of human emotion, why would Dong Hoon smile (he who never smiles) if he were still married? Wouldn’t meeting Ji An be painful if he weren’t free?" 

 

We have seen so much pain and restraint between JA and DH in the encounters leading up to the coffee shop scene, but in this final scene the way DH looks at her and shakes her hand is a significant contrast to what he was like before in her presence.

 

And I keep thinking he would definitely NOT want to lead her on if he weren't a free man....and he totally leads her on here, with his curiosity about her, his stares, and that long handshake. :wub::lol: I feel like JA would have known how to interpret all of these signals, especially after being on the receiving end of so many of his boundaries before the time skip.

 

I agree with you.
And I think hugging and shaking hands are a contrast again.
Why does the director KWS want to emphasize the white hand trace?
Why not just let DH gently shake hands?
I think it is because he wants to guide the audience to restore the idea in his mind:

 

"Before the divorce: a very gentle hug; after the divorce: a very tight handshake."

 

I think that's why he so emphasizes that hand trace. ( @actionscript mentioned it before, it is not natural. Colors draw it.)

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19 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:

Hee hee. This does help! I actually wonder if they had this intimate conversation about JA's history with Kwang Il somewhere in the Ep 12 storyline, since it seems they really reconciled and weren't so awkward with each other once the subway scene happened.

 

These are my thoughts as well. In fact, I was thinking that conversation happened during their dinner at the tail end of ep 12, right after JA’s panel interview. They looked so relaxed there and the mood was so conducive for intimate, personal conversations.

 

 

@YukawaCattle, I'll digest more of your recent posts soon as well. Need more time to really grasp all the details you presented. :sweatingbullets:

 

 

 

For now I just wanted to share some quick thoughts about a movie I’ve watched last weekend on Netflix. The movie is “The Game,” a 1997 mystery thriller starring Michael Douglas as a greedy investment banker. (It has a tag that said its Netflix run will end by March 31. :() It’s theme and genre are totally different from My Mister, but surprisingly quite a number of elements reminded me of MM. In fact these similarities helped deepen and further validated my understanding of MM.

 

I’ll discuss these similarities which include the movie’s last scene, which is amazingly quite similar to MM’s, so proceed with caution as this will have spoilers…

 

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These similarities come to mind after watching the movie:

 

1. Both shows are primarily about the character transformations of the protagonist, more than anything else. The Game is totally not a romantic movie, and technically so is MM, though love lines exist in both, but in MM it played a bigger role in the overall scheme of things.

 

2. Due to a traumatic event in his childhood, the protagonist in The Game mostly keeps to himself, and has shun relationships even with his brother. There’s some parallels here with JA on how she also has built a wall around her from other people, though she didn’t exclude halmeoni from that wall.

 

3. Around 30 minutes into the movie, a curious and pretty female character was introduced, but what drew attention is she had to mention to Michael that she found him “attractive.” From here on, she has been suspected to be part of the group of antagonists, so no obtrusive romantic tension was really shown in her scenes with Michael Douglas. But still, that “attractive” comment had become some sort of a Chekhov’s Gun, it had narrative work to do.

 

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4. Note also the age gap between Michael Douglas and the girl. Though their ages were not really established in the show, their real-life ages at that time were 53 for Michael and 31 for the girl, a 22-year gap.

 

5. After all the main plot points were resolved, we now jump to the last scene, which resembled MM’s last scene in many ways. Michael asked her out for dinner, but she’s off to the airport for a gig in Australia, so she asked him for coffee instead now..

 

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Look at the reaction, especially the head movements of Michael after hearing that invite from the girl..

 

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Note that a scenario where they had to part soon was also present, necessitating that they quickly wrap up their conversation. 

 

In the context of the show, despite the response from Michael was no longer shown, that is not an open ending. They are going to have romantic dates. What happens after these dates is of course no longer in scope, but the two progressing into the getting-to-know stage through romantic dates is implied even if not shown. And to show more than that would have been out-of-place in a movie that is primarily not of a romantic genre. That ending only served to emphasize the transformation of the protagonist, that he has now opened up again to people, including a possible romantic liaison.

 

Two insights that I got that deepened or validated my understanding of MM:

 

1. That “pretty” remark from DH is crucial. It paved the way for future interactions between DH and JA to have romantic tension. From that point on, it changed the tone of the show. This was not exactly the case in The Game, where the “attractive” remark served as Chekhov’s Gun. But just the same, such comments are put in there apparently for very important reasons.

 

2. To insert a romantic act like hugging or kissing at the ending scene would have been out-of-place as well in MM, considering it is not primarily a romance drama. To have shown such acts would have relegated the tone of the show to become inconsistent and its genre confusing. As such, the best they can really do is to imply a romantic liaison, very similar to how The Game ended.

 

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18 hours ago, actionscript said:

@YukawaCattle, I'll digest more of your recent posts soon as well. Need more time to really grasp all the details you presented. :sweatingbullets:

 

It doesn't matter if you guys ignore the article above. I may have written a little too complicated, sorry.

That article is just for me to convince myself (or someone else here also cares about the following thing like me.)

 

At the press conference, the director KWS said there was no romance in this drama and even later took out the lovelines on the graph. But we already see that the script still has this thing, which makes me want to confirm whether what he said is true or not. Because there is a possibility that he really did not go into the shoot with such a mentality, but simply the existence of lovelines in the script.

 

And the article above confirms that he was just indeed appeasing the opposition at the time, the truth is loveline of DH and JA is still in his mind during shooting. Because from the script to the camera, their crew always suggested to the audience that "If you want to know whether DH loves JA, go see KH&YR," and " If you want to know whether DH divorce or not, go see SH&AR."

For example:

 

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EP1 DH says that SH's script will not be popular because there are no women.

After this plot, he met JA on the subway.

 

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The park brothers' seatting order: DH_KH_SH

--> Hints: Please observe KH if you want to understand the plots of DH&JA.

 

 

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EP1 The Park brothers get together after the wedding ceremony. DH is sitting on the same side with SH and opposite side to KH.

After this plot, the plot where YH makes her first appearance with DH follows.

 

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The park brothers' seatting order:

 

   KH       SH

                DH

 

--> Hints: Please observe SH if you want to understand the plots of DH&YH.

 

 

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SH told KH to call DH, but DH didn't answer.

--> Hints: Don't observe KH if you want to understand the plots of DH&YH.

 

 

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When DH fought with KI, SH called, but DH didn't answer.

--> Hints: Don't observe SH if you want to understand the plots of DH&JA.

 

 

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In EP7, after going to the campground and confronting DJY, DH was in a bad mood because of YH's affair. Later, when he was drinking with his brothers, KH sat next to him.

--> Hints: Don't observe KH if you want to understand the plots of DH&YH.

 

 

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After being confessed by JA, DH had a bad time with JA,

and he was sitting next to SH when EP11 was sitting with his brothers.

--> Hints: Don't observe SH if you want to understand the plots of DH&JA.

 

 

I think we all know that these all can actually be reversed, but the MM crew did not do so.

 

You guys can also see these hints in posters:

 

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(source: tvN)

 

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(source: tvN)

 

When DH and JA are not be seperated, it seems the order will always be

 

KH DH JA  SH

 

You can see that DH and KH are closer, and SH even has a little bit distance from JA.

 

So the hint in these two posters is 

 

Please observe KH but don't observe SH if you want to understand the plots of DH&JA.

 

In other words, the article above is just saying that the MM crew is always doing this kind of psychological hint to the audience. That is, whether it is intentional or unintentional, it seems like they want to guide the audience to discover the secret of the Park brothers' script through their script and the camera. It seems we can see that the order of the three brothers, and is KH or SH calls DH, these things will depend on the current plot is DongAn or DongYui.

 

So the loveline is not just exists in MM script, but the MM crew also keep presenting it during the filming and production process.
That article is just wants to talk about this thing.

 

You guys can just read this one if the above article is too long.

 

18 hours ago, actionscript said:

For now I just wanted to share some quick thoughts about a movie I’ve watched last weekend on Netflix. The movie is “The Game,” a 1997 mystery thriller starring Michael Douglas as a greedy investment banker. (It has a tag that said its Netflix run will end by March 31. :() It’s theme and genre are totally different from My Mister, but surprisingly quite a number of elements reminded me of MM. In fact these similarities helped deepen and further validated my understanding of MM.

 

I’ll discuss these similarities which include the movie’s last scene, which is amazingly quite similar to MM’s, so proceed with caution as this will have spoilers… 

 

Thanks for sharing this.
I will read it after watching the movie.

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It is only now that I realized the significance of this picture.

 

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In addition to the red and blue tones, the background of the DH's scene has weeds, tilted poles, unkempt fences on the ground, uneven concrete floor, and a sign of "CAUTION: ELECTRICITY." On the contrary, JA's background are all neat straight lines. Straight lines give people a sense of determination and purpose.


The elements in the background just match their current moods and thoughts.

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On 3/14/2022 at 4:29 PM, YukawaCattle said:

The director KWS actually already use the shots to hide lots of hints to tell the audiences that "the DongAn-KH&YR correspondence" and "DongYui-SH&AR correspondence." This article will list most of them.

 

WHOOAA!!! This is very interesting! I don't think anyone but you would have picked up on these things! (Wow!) :lol:  but I can see where you're coming from and you laid out your points and the data well. For me, it's actually hard to believe that KWS would actually go to this level of detail in making sure DH was sitting or standing closer to Ki Hoon or Sang Hoon depending on the situation (I mean, who does that?!)...but looking at all the scenes you compiled there does seem to be a pattern. If he really did all of these deliberately, we are looking at a master PDnim for sure! Wow.

 

These scenes definitely confirmed further that KH was the id and was always "around" when DH was moving closer to JA, and SH was the superego and was always "pushing" DH to reconcile with YH or move closer to her. The conflict piece is interesting to think about, i.e. who was DH having conflict with and what was the bigger plot in that moment? Our ego is always having conflict with our id and superego after all... :D

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

On 3/15/2022 at 3:23 PM, actionscript said:

For now I just wanted to share some quick thoughts about a movie I’ve watched last weekend on Netflix. The movie is “The Game,” a 1997 mystery thriller starring Michael Douglas as a greedy investment banker. (It has a tag that said its Netflix run will end by March 31. :() It’s theme and genre are totally different from My Mister, but surprisingly quite a number of elements reminded me of MM. In fact these similarities helped deepen and further validated my understanding of MM.

 

I watched The Game when it first came out! So I read your spoiler with lots of curiosity and interest. I don't remember much about the movie (just that there was a clown doll :blink:), but I can see how these points paralleled MM. So glad we learned about Chekhov's Gun.

 

On 3/15/2022 at 6:05 PM, Joseph Lim said:

My Mister Script Book Trailer

 

Thanks for this trailer, @Joseph Lim. :wub:

 

I saw on ktown4u.com that sold separately, both Book 1 and Book 2 are out of stock (even though they haven't been released yet). The only thing still available is the box set of Book 1 and 2.

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