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Lee Sun Gyun owns this episode!!! Every single actor was on point, but he completely blew me away!
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My feelings after watching preview with subs: before ep 13, I as 50% happy ending, 40% sad ending, 10% open ending. After episode 13, 30% happy ending, 40% sad ending, 30% open ending; after ep. 14 - couldn't still process it lol; after preview: 75% happy ending, 25% sad ending, 0% open ending!! I'm just very hopefull now!
OMG! Couldn't believe when I realized DH did silently cry! Twice!!! The feels!!!
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8 hours ago, chickfactor said:
Haha, that is just what I was thinking. Spontaneous combustion.
He seems like the type of guy who, once he makes his intentions clear to a woman, he is all in. He's not quite there yet, because he's dealing with the messy fallout of his wife's affair and a career-defining job interview the very next day? So he like, "Okay, let's save this for later." He also doesn't know it's the last time he will see her (at least for a while), but she does.
I guess I'm puzzled that there is any debate about whether DH likes JA. Him vigorously defending her in his interview was about as big and meaningful a declaration of love as anything. (I don't know, is it just me that sees it this way?)
I really enjoyed the three brothers' group mourning session about the marriage. The other two brothers sometimes have the maturity of infants, but they sure have a whole lot of feelings, and it's quite sweet.
And Sang-Hoon, as silly as he seems, really does bear the burden of being the oldest son, even feeling responsible for everything that's gone wrong in DH's marriage. It's obviously not his fault in any way, but this is how Korean families tend to be: the head of the household is the one who takes responsibility for everything. And because their father has (apparently) passed on, SH is the head of the family. It was honestly pretty touching to see him apologize to Yoon-Hee, at least acknowledging her contributions and efforts over the years.
By the way, her telling the brothers about it, that's the final nail on the coffin of this marriage. And it is sad. But they're saying farewell to each other with a lot of grace.
Joon-Young, you trash! How dare you.
I veer from feeling some sympathy for JY to just rooting for maximum disgrace. Now I'm just relishing his eventual downfall. You need to burn, Joon-Young!
I do agree with you: if what DH said is true (it's all right if nobody knows), he can't be with her anymore, even for conventions. (unless, the role of JA in DH's life is to change his view about it to enable him accept his wife back
). So there are many things against the chances to salvage their marriage: adultery, differents views of life, differents ways to understand family and marriage, different expectations, difficult in communication, family knows about the affair. I can't see how, narratively, they can save their marriage: each episode they add new difficults to make it impossible. (I even thought that YH telling the brother about the affair is a way to push DH to ask for the divorce, but who knows?!!)
BTW, people who thinks that JA is just kindred soul of DH and that he should get back with his wife are in fact creating as impossibility JA staying in his life. If YA is already unhappy with sharing DH with his family, how could she be happy with JA (that only person who really understands, conforts, supports unconditionally him) around DH? Impossible. No woman (rightfully) will be happy that his husband's kindred soul (who in addition confessed her love to him) stays in his life, sharing his life.
6 hours ago, Wotad said:that drama gave me some damn feels , the ending was a hot debate ;p
My opinion: good drama, terrible ending!!!
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1 hour ago, arctichare said:
I think the show knows its mind. I think the ambiguity of their central relationship is the point of the show.
It's just that this is not what you're expecting or want from the show.
Yes, exactly. Their interactions can be explained away. Different people will look at their relationship through different lenses. I think this is very much intentional by the writer/director. Remember when Kwang-il couldn't describe what their relationship was like - were they dating? was she his mistress?
I don't find this relationship unrealistic at all, in fact quite the opposite. I think in life, we come across and become close to different people for a number reasons. Yes sometimes those relationships can be easily categorized into neat little boxes but a lot of the times, that is simply not possible.
I believe this show is about the latter. Obviously not everyone enjoys this kind of ambiguity and that's absolutely fine but a piece of art being ambiguous does not negate its value. Isn't that what art is? It's subjective. So many folks on this forum are convinced of the romantic nature of their relationship but if you check out Dramabeans or other forums, you'll find people who only see them as platonic partners and are baffled at the thought of romance. People will see what they want to see.
If we follow KI as the writer/pd-nim voices, then we will have at the first moment, the ambiguity of their relationship vocalized; but at the second, the certainty that JA is in love with DH is stablished, for KI more than one time (I think twice) said that she was in love, and he was pissed because she was being happy with that. So, there is only a half ambiguity, at least we can say for sure that we have an unrequited love from JA's side.
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1 hour ago, MsMinnieFran said:
When I see varied comments it brings home to me how people can see the same thing in such a different way. One comment on YouTube said they hope it doesn't turn into a romance because it is suppose to be a healing drama....another said DH is looking for JA so she can finish her contract... so her resume can look good for her next job I guess "before it is too late" and I am over here swooning because of how obvious and frantic he is being about the possibilty of her not being in his life. To each his own I guess.
Yeah, I saw those comments. And was
!!! lol. If you doesn't think it is romance ok, but to say that his worries is related to her work and "welfare" is too much! Really delusional lol. But in Youtube the majority of comments are for romance, and think that DH likes JA too.
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10 hours ago, arctichare said:
I'm surprised to see people were expecting a definitive answer to the relationship conundrum in this episode. It's the thirteenth episode y'all not the sixteenth. As someone said in this thread earlier, that's the game. The writer is not about to give it away in the penultimate week of the show.
And even at the end we may not get a definite answer, as an open ending is very much in the cards. I know most of the folks here do not want an open ending but personally I would not have a problem with it. In some instances, I might even prefer it.
Speaking of the episode, all the scenes involving the three brothers were A++++. All three actors just hit it out of the park!
Dong Hoon was literally killing me in this episode. I obviously didn't expect him to hug Ji An. Ji An didn't expect him to hug her either. No one, who knows anything about Dong Hoon would expect that from him at that moment.
But good god, he literally spent the rest of the episode reacting to her/thinking about her. Even in the scenes with his brothers, she was not far from his mind. He was being so obvious about it, I honestly couldn't believe my eyes. Good lord, someone please help this man to process his emotions in a healthy way.
I so agree with you! And yes, it was me who said we won't have any definitive answer before episode 15, and probably at its end. I will be very surprised if this happen other way out.
I was very surprised how the story shows his obvious behaviour in regards to JA at the office. Me, at the office, will say: look he is into her!!! But I will wait for the subs to have a better judgement about this episode.
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16 minutes ago, aisling said:
I’m little disappointed that wiretapping wasn’t revealed today. I think they really need to deal with it! It’s essential for the story how DH will cope with that revelation.
For my part, I think that this is another ambiguity in the show: I can't say for sure that he still doesn't know that she is listening.
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Would you deny a hug to your friend/sister/disciple after something awesome s/he did in your favor?
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8 hours ago, tiger457_stv said:
@ccl82 We are all FISHES...... HOOKED by My Mister!
I decided I am Catfish nosing around every where looking for more information! If you are a My Mister fish, what would you be??
@africandramalover this reader totally agree with you about marriage contract.... the Japanese version of it which came out in 2010 was NAGAREBOSHI (Shooting Star), with different ending that you will like. It was probably one of the best Japanese show. Another unusual Japanese show was Mitsu no Aji (a touch of honey)...about difficult to reconcile relationship.
I liked very much marriage contract, and loved loved loved Nagareboshi!!!!
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@sadiesmith Can be just lightly obsessed? And not only romance too?
- Arang and the Magistrate
- Last
- My love Eun Dong
- Tunnel
- Missing noir M
- My spring day
- Forest of secrets
@tiger457_stv For me: happy ending - 50%; sad ending 40%; don't know (or in my book terrible end lol) 10%.
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On 06/05/2018 at 3:18 PM, popai5 said:
So, I think...
We will see a wedding. Between Yura and KH. Sorry folks.
We will see a reconciliation. Between SH and his wife. Not DH and his wife. (hooray!)
We will see a final farewell after a long heart to heart talk. Between JH and the monk (don't remember his name).
So, what will happen between DH and JA? I know what I want to happen but who knows. Let's keep hoping!
@africandramalover I did watch 'The Lunchbox' at the theater when it came out! I really loved the film too! I won't spoil the ending
but for me I understand why it was done that way and I have my own ideas of what happened next. I'm hoping to get the film on dvd.
Your post gave me some thoughts.
As we know, this is a realistic drama, that tells a human story, doing it as it is and not as it should be.
So, in real human life: usual couples get together, usual couples break up or don't get together, marriages are salvaged, marriages aren't salvaged, people break social rules and make unexpected and unusual couples that work.
I think that this drama is narrating those kind of realistic human situations:
1. usual couples get together - Yura and KH;
2. usual couples break up or don't get together - JH and the monk;
3. marriages are salvaged - SH and his wife;
4. marriages aren't salvaged - DH and YH;
5. unexpected and unusual couples that work - DH and JA.
This is realistic and human
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I think that, intentionally or unintentionally, the pdnim's direction strategy is similar to those of the answer me series, in special AM '88, but of course in a different way. The point that is similar is the guessing game: keeping the viewers guessing something. In the reply series, the guess was related to "who is the husband". However, while there it was to guess "who the OTP is?", here in MA the guess is "is it OTP (pair) or OTF (friends)?". In the reply series (specialy '88, and less by '94 and '97) it was the girl's behaviour that let viewers guessing, while in MA it is DH's behaviour who let some people (no me!
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In both situations a kind of "war" was created (it is true that with Reply series it was a "war", while with MA it is more like a "friendly match"): then, it was a war between different groups of shippers; now it is "friendly match" between shippers and non-shippers; then, the "war" was moved by passion, now the "friendly match" is moved by conviction. People then could get very emotional and let emotions and convictions dominated their better judgement when analysing the facts presented in the dramas. In other words: if we just watch the reply series dispassionately, and let be lead by the flow of the history, it is easier to see - imo - that the writer/pd were telling a conventional OTP love story since the start (I think it is easier to se it after some time, when rewatching the dramas). In regards to MA, imo and as I said before, it is conviction that is blinding most viewers, for the writer is telling the story that she wants to tell (and I think she will tell her story til the end).
So, in MA, I think the guessing thing is in itself a red harring to play a game and to keep some viewers attention (what is absolutly unnecessary!), but all the while the story has being told and what has being told is an OTP's love story. However, due to this intentionally or unintentionally "game", I think that the solution will only happen by episode 15. I'm afraid this week we won't see any DH's confession. Hope I'm wrong about this.
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8 hours ago, noor1 said:
I'll have to disagree with quite a few comments above (especially those of the shippers):
- Irrespective of how the writer plays it out, the drama is set in a linear, day-to-day existence mode, and is about 'this is what life is like, how should it be lived?' - that is what every character is going through. It's not about how life will / should be like 10 or 20 years down the line. It's about getting over the struggle, and being happy right now, in the present, not wasting another moment pining over something regrettable, avoidable, suicidal, or depressing.
- It's also about not placing contingencies or conditions on happiness or contentment: e.g. I'll be happy IF / WHEN a person grows hair, or loses hair, or straightens hair; IF a husband gives me attention over his mother or IF the mom dies; I'll be happy IF I have a job or become a director or CEO or elope with the girl I had a scandal with. The real question is are you content with the presence of someone or the absence of someone? Is that person good for you or not? Will it be okay if you are not together anymore? What if the other person moves on and you don't?
I think people here are trying to find some middle ground so that they can be comfortable with the age gap and justify the romance.
If all of DH's problems could be fixed with having Ji-An in his life, he would have been more open with her. Clearly, his problems range from work to marital to a midlife crisis. Divorce doesn't take long, neither does a heart-to-heart with one's kid! What does take time is being certain whether this is a girl worth enough to throw everything away for, become a laughing stock of fellow ahjussies (who probably would be too kind to say anything to his face), and probably find a new job too at his age! Basically, to have a completely new life with someone new.
Ji-An likes him but it could be admiration or a crush or as he noted 'a pity party alliance', not a life-changing passion. It could be a phase. She is 21 after all. Her whole life is ahead of her. He likes her, yes, and is probably flattered with all the attention from a girl he considers pretty (especially when his home life is in shambles). But maybe she'll lose her feelings once she finds more loving people in the world. Why should she settle for the first decent man who was nice to her and looked out for her? (Because he's gold! She knows a good thing when she sees it)......However, I don't understand why people are insisting on 2-3/4-5 year jumps with 'adult' 'non-chubby cheeked' 'educated' 'non-poor' probably in-a-skirt Ji-An?!! Their age difference is already too big, let's not turn it into an unrealistic kdrama-esque makeover!.....Either he wants to be with her as a man right now or not. That should not / cannot take someone 2 years to figure out! Either she is ready to be in a responsible relationship right now or not. I think in Ji-An's case, it is admiration which may or may not turn into love, and she has been very brave and intelligent about it, though in his case, she's screwed his marbles for good. He's done for. But he can always explain the feelings away and remain in his shell. And continue to have long walks with her, every now and then.
However, this drama has been all about coming out of the shell, so let's see.
I liked this comment on twitter:
#MyMister offers a snapshot of the human struggle. You learn that no one is perfect. Relationships are messy, your loved ones can hurt you. You learn that sometimes it just takes one kind person to turn your dreadful life around. Beautiful drama.So anyone looking for perfect people or perfect job or perfect time or perfect moment or perfect age or perfect time to have a relationship or get married, he/ she should not be watching this drama! There's no such thing as ideal situations (and DH, Ji-An are 'perfect' examples of that), but one has to make choices and then live with them. That's all there is to it.
(In any case, I am against a time jump of any sort unless it's the last 5 minutes and they show all characters living out their lives to the best of their abilities, satisfied, with new struggles at hand.)
I'm with you in most of what you wrote. I don't think that there is a need to time jump, in special to make JA more accomplished. If JA needs study, a formal profession, I can't see why she couldn't get that with him, many couples do that. Besides, if YH got her bar already married and with a child, why couldn't JA do the same? In my opinion, If there would be a need for time jump it would be only for the required period to conclude DH's divorce, nothing more. (From the preview, it seems that they will be apart, and maybe it could portray logicaly some weeks separated, but weeks I don't count as (aggravating) time jump).
Life isn't perfect, we can't get/have everything and we will have to deal forever with problems. I think what the drama wants to portray too, is that dispite life being not perfect, not having everything, dealing with many problems, we can still be happy, if we make the right choices and if we are courageous enough to live happily, in other words: to take risks and challenge our own life. DH isn't happy because he doesn't take risks, doesn't make choices, he doesn't challenge his life. In a sense, JA represents to him that all: risk, choice, challenge. So you're right: doesn't exist an ideal time, age and space. In the eyes of society, DH-JA won't never match, if it isn't this it will be that. Therefore, today or tomorrow, they would have to take risk, make choices and challenge the world to be together and/or to live happily.
About the part in bold, I'm not sure I got your meaning, so correct me. I think that you're saying that, besides his own problems, DH is not sure about JA feelings, because she is young and can change, is that so? If is that, I think you're right, from DH personality and perspective how could he be certain about the constancy and depth of JA's feelings? This is another issue to add DH's inaction, and still not discuted here. Unfortunaly for DH, nobody can be sure about someone else's feelings: everybody have to take the risk and work to make it real.
Would DH take the risk? I hope so
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@sadiesmith @Wotad @akhenaten @2handsintertwined
This is why I asked what "open end" means for each, because I felt that maybe we had different definitions and expectations about an "open end".
Closure or not closure is a good foundation to defines an end open or not. But I think also that closure depends on expectations; according to this, some will think that an end is open and others that it is not (or not enough).
In the case of MA, post-preview 13-14, my ideal end includes - in a beautful and subtle way, DH and JA consumating their love. But, I know that the chances that this will happen is almost nihil (null), although the drama's narrative ask for this kind of end. With that in mind, I lowered my expectations and ask (much) less things to have as closure and therefore to have a end that can be seen as not open end.
My low conditions to a not open end (I will concentrate myself in a happy end) are: 1. That I know that they love each other as woman-man; 2. that this is explicitely showed/said in the drama - it was already said by JA, only remaining DH's side; 3. my conditions are so low that it suffice to me that DH confesses his love towards JA to someone, not necessarily to JA self; 4. The drama shows through smiles and stares that they will stay together, and that they implicitely understand this way. That's it.
@sadiesmith I do understand your point of view. Unfortunatly the controversy surrounding this drama has created such conditions that it interferes the way people watch and appreciate MA. I know that an "low condition" end as I described won't be considered by some as a lovestory's end between JA-DH. But, I'm afraid that for some people very dogmatic in their view about MA, they will never admit that this is a lovestory (maybe if they make love?!?! - kidding!). So, I'm afraid that even if DH says to JA that he loves her, if they have a mutual confession at the end, but without a passionate kiss, they still could (and would) rationalize and say that "see, this isn't a romantic love", that he was talking about a superior, spiritual kind of love, a humain love, without eros in it. Some people never departs from their dogmas and convictions, even if the facts and evidences tell another story. This has been happening with JA and her confessions and feelings: they just can't accept what she said, even if she said it many times; even if JY saw it in her, said it to YH, even putting JA at the same level as YH when he said (more or less) "I can't understand DH and his women". What more has the writer to do to show that JA is in love with DH, that she sees him as a man? Nothing, and still they say anything that can disqualify what the drama is telling about JA's (and also DH's) feelings to adjust it to their dogma/conviction.
In this sense, I will not take their (delusional) opinion (yeah, since JA's confession, I considere that this opinion is delusional) into account to analyse if MA will have a good, happy, beautiful, closed end. I won't let them spoil my pleasure
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(sorry if I wrote in a confusing way).
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15 minutes ago, africandramalover said:
Wiretapping is a brilliant plot device. Like the most brilliant plot device in recent drama history. It opens up the emotional connection of the characters so that they can fall in love faster than in normal relationships, but then here we are, also moralizing about it.
There's an Indian movie called "the lunchbox " that uses the dabawallah system of lunch box delivery to bring together an unlikely couple. Please watch the film. It's amazing. Easily one of my favourite films. I am itching to tell you how it goes but just watch it.
Following your recomendation I saw the trailer, and it looks like a beautful movie. I will see where can I watch it.
This phrase from the trailer is gold: "Sometimes the wrong train will get you to the right station".
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What is an open end?
To me, an open end is when we don't know, at the end: 1) if the couple love each other as man-woman, 2) if the couple love each other but we don't know if they will be together.
About 1, I don't remember any drama with this kind of end, but until episode 7, I thought this was a strong possibility for MA: we wouldn't know if they would be only friends or lovers, or/and if they like each other as friends or lovers. After epsiode 8-9 in special after JA's confession, this option doesn't exist anymore in my book.
About 2, I remember at least three works (SPOILER) that have this kind of end: the dramas Cheese in the Trap and Soulmates, the movie White Valentine. We don't know if they will reach/find/see/come across each other or not.
In the cases we know that the couple love each other and, after some time of separation they meet again, smile at each other and the end, I don't consider it as an open end. To me it's clear that they will be together: I consider it as a bad end. It is not enough, because I just want more than that (yeah some kind of skinship!). So, taking PM&I exemple: the end was terrible, frustrating, but not open. It was clear to me that they will be together as a couple.
If the last scenario happens with MA, I won't think it is an open end because we know they love each other: they stare at each other and smile, this situation in itself would speaks volume because the whole attraction and love built in the drama was axed in stares, walking side by side, few smiles and many breaths. With their chemistry, just staring and smile would say to me that they are together.
The problem to me is that, after episode 10, the way things are develloping asks for more than that. We are witnessing the growing of DH and JA's passion. The way they are repressing that (JA because she is hopeless; DH because he can't accept/aknowledge it) would ask - narratively - for a cathartic end, for a explosive way to deal satisfactorily with all this tension. Anything less than that, to me, wouldn't do the drama justice. That's all.
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About the end, I will put here the progress of my imaginations after watching the episodes:
1. After episode 8: It will be an open end, they will see each other and smile, they are together but we won't know for sure if as a couple or as freinds: the shippers will think they are a couple, the non-shippers will think they are not. The war will continue...
2. After episode 10: It won't be an open end - after a short timeskip they will see each other, smile looking into each others eyes and holding hands, as a couple.
3. After episode 12: They will be walking together, holding hands; they will hug each other tightly; the camera will make a close up, DH will say "let's go home", JA will lift her face and say "I'm home", they will look into each other eyes and the kiss
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4. After the preview ep 13-14: The last half of episode 16 will show DH-JA life together as a couple, dating, kissing and ... making love (in a sobber way)
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Too far fetched option 4? Maybe, but it just represents the progress of my imaginations after watching the show. At episode 8, I couldn't imagine anything more than what I did describe or would think that anything different wouldn't fit the show. It kept happening at each phase. So, before the preview, I really couldn't imagine DH-JA making love because it would feel out of place. But after the preview, insensibly I start to imagine it and suddenly it feels like it would fit the script perfectly. I can't really say what are the reasons for this change, but I think that seeing DH running desperately (sexy and manly) has something to do with it
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I think DH will feel betrayed, I have no doubt about it. As @africandramalover said, if he won't feel betrayed he is a saint, and that contradics the idea of a realistic drama. Furthermore, the more he loves JA, the more he will feel betrayed by her. And I hope we will have him "exploding" with JA and that followed, it is logical, by a period of separation (not necessarily time skip).
So, to me, the point isn't if he will feel betrayed or not, the point is if he will be abble to forgive her. This depends, in my view, on two things: a) if he can find mitigating factors to her actions; b.) if his love will be soo deep that he can't live without her and (maybe irrationaly) will give her another chance. In a way, these two things are (dialeticaly) related.
The way the story has being told leads me to think that these two things will be put at place: DH will overcome his feeling of betrayal by finding mitigating factors (and those we all know) due to his lover for her; this love will wish to find the mitigations, the understanding and forgiveness. This process can be portrayed as a very slow and painful one, or in a easier way.
I think the possibility that DH forgives JA is realistic because, contrary to YH - who departs from, say, the "loyalty point" to arrives at the "betrayal point"; JA's path is starts from the "betrayal point" to arrives at the "loyalty point". And, I think, from DH's perspective, the point of arrival is that that really matters.
This whole situation creates a kind of paradoxe: it's because he loves her deeply that he will feel betrayed (and angry and hurt), and it's because he loves her deeply that she can be forgiven by him.
In my eyes, this is at the same time realistic and can ensure the possibility of a happy end.
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I don't hate YH nor love/like her. I think she is a interesting character, but I'm not much invested in her. In regards her destiny, I think she will be alright because she seems to me a strong and very competent person.
I don't know if she is ambitious, and I don't think she is evil. But I think she is self-centered and this can lead her to become selfish.
In my view, I think everybody here believes that the marriage problems come from DH and YH responsabilities and incompatibilities, differents expectations and no communication. So, until the begin of the affair, both were guilty in relation to the collapse of their marriage.
However the affair changes everything: imo, in itself, affair is an selfish and self-centered action. And as many notice here, she didn't only cheat on him (something that in a drama could be forgiven), she cheated on him with his old (ex) hobae, his actual chief and someone close enough to him to be disliked by him, and that while sharing a house with her lover, during a year. Then the more outrajeous yet: she planned with her love to destroy DH's life, even if she looked for a less painful way, the result will be the same. The collorary of this: she didn't feel guilty, she was freely happy, her only worry was to not provoque too much damage in her husband; but here there wasn't nothing that could be seen us guilty due to the fact that she was betraying him in many ways.
The above appears to me as self-centered and even selfish.
Another sign of it: during their conversation, YH justifications were only based in DH's faults, as if her affair was his fault. She never said one word that could say something "yeah, I know I didn't understood you well, I was being selfish in wanting you only to me, but...". No. It was as if all faults in their marriage laid in DH's side. As if she was a victim in everything.
This is why I think she is self-centered and sometimes selfish. But, being self centered is also a human thing, so when the drama (imo) depicts her as self-centered, it keeps its own goal to show a human drama, and it does that in a wonderful way, because YH appears as a layered character.
P.S.: I think that it was a very lame excuse when YH blame DH because he said "I will eat with my family" (or something like that), meaning that he did consider them as his family (or more family) and not her. And it seems that some interpretes it as a cultural difference between west and east way to view marriage and family relationships, where a westernized view wouldn't name parents/brothers "my family". I think that it is a false difference, and a false excuse. I don't think that in a western culture when one says "I want to talk to, to be with, to eat with my family" they are necessarily excluding their partner (husband or wife) or puting one above the other. In my experience, this is a way to classifiy and to nominate groups of people related to oneself. We can say that there are at least two classes of family, depending on the perspective from where that someone talk: there is the family of origin and the nuclear family. From the point of view of my parents, I'm in your nuclear family; from my point of view, my nuclear family is my husband and children, and my parents, brother and sisters are my family of origin. I don't need to explain to my husband (who is Dutch, so very western, just in the case someone thinks that latin american cultures aren't western enough lol) when I said "I wish to be with my family now, I miss them", that I'm talking about my family of origin and that it doesn't mean he isn't my family or he is less family than them, even when I just want to be with my family of origin without my nuclear family. In short, even in a western point of view (at least from how I and my husband experience it), YH's blame isn't relevant, and just reveals/confirm how self-centered she is.
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Reading people making references here to Mr. Darcy and Mark Darcy made me rewatch Bridget Jones' Diary and BBC P&P 1995.
I have to confess that Jane Austen is one of my favourites authors, I regurlarly reread some of her books. However, what I would to say has nothing to do with my taste in reading, but with the fact that there is a certain ressemblance between romance- non-romance in Austen books and My Mister.
Virginia Wolf once wrote an essay over Jane Austen, and she said something that I never forgot: Austen is the only author who can write a love story without mentioning the moon. Meaning that she doesn't need to make easy appeals to our senses to write a convincent love story and romance that makes our hearts flutter.
So, in Austen romances we not only won't read lines about the moon; but we won't read lines about "hearts and hands trembling when looking at each other", "electrical currents through bodies when touching each others", "altered breaths", we won't even read description of kisses and hugs and holding hands. So we won't find descriptions of that kind of emotional and physical sensations so usual in romances, from 17 century (or before) till today. It follows we could say that J. Austen doesn't need to uses romantic tropes to build a solid love story and interesting characters.
In a sense, My Mister possesses a kind of J. Austen style. It doesn't need to uses habitual romantic tropes to tell a love story. It doesn't need to explores our visual sensuality (as skinship and kisses, or romantic situations which almost never happens in real life) to make our hearts flutter. As J. Austen's romances, descriptions and depictions of sensations and feelings are scarce and low key, it doesn't want to conquer our hearts and mind by making use of easy emotions, but through someting more profound and even rational. Consequentely, at the end, the love and the amount of love showed by the characters will appear real to us.
I hope My Mister follows J. Austen patterns till the end and gives us a happy end.
EDIT: Btw, Austen wasn't afraid of age gap: Mr. Knightly was 16 years older that Emma; Colonel Brandon was 19 years older than Mariane; Lady Susan was more than 10 years older than Reginald.
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6 minutes ago, noor1 said:
@MsMinnieFran you're right, of course it's a break from filming (either re-scripting, re-shooting or fatigue). I meant since they were going on a break, in that teaser they probably decided to show the overarching conflict / theme of remaining episodes - (you know, DH becoming director, Ji-An leaving / getting fired, YH repentant, JY in a fix, etc.) - because if that's just the preview of a single episode, then what will happen in other 3 episodes when not much is left in the story to get resolved, how far can they stretch / drag the conflict over 4 episodes? That's what I meant. (because all other episodes have been very quick and fast-moving and they have plenty of episodes to wrap up where each character ends up).
I (wishful)think most probably it is a preview of episodes 13-14. I (wishful)think JA will leave at the end of episode 14. I'm trusting the writer there will be enough things to work at the remaining two episodes. I hope it, for the chances to get a happy end is bigger if JA is leaving at the episode 14. And I want a realistic happy end
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25 minutes ago, akhenaten said:
After watching that scene of Dong Hoon and Ji An in the last train, I realize how total opposites they are and yet so very much alike and why they're drawn to each other. Dong Hoon is always so careful to avoid confrontation and not hurt people's feelings. He would rather be hurt himself. Hence, his careful words and tendency not to speak his mind or reveal what he's feeling, even when he's supposed to.
Ji An, on the other hand, has no filter whatsoever. She says what she thinks and how she feels. She doesn't care if the listener is shocked, outraged or hurt over what she says. She calculates her words to hurt when they have to. Maybe because no one ever really cared about her feelings, except for her grandmother and now Dong Hoon.
Dong Hoon is always careful because he's afraid of losing everything. Ji An is fearless because she has nothing to lose.
That's why she was so straightforward when she answered his question on why she stayed late. She simply said she missed him because that was the truth, and that what he did after their argument only made her like him even more. She found it strange why he would find it awkward and rationalize her reasons for liking him. For all his IQ, poor Dong Hoon is lost with this young woman.
Kinda makes me think it was probably Yoon Hee who chased after him when they were younger. Dong Hoon was probably uncomfortable being popular with the ladies and perhaps very clueless as to why they're after him, but he's such a gentleman that he probably couldn't bear offending the girls who liked him but he never liked back. And wasn't even Jung Hee somewhat surprised that he never made a move on her when they were sleeping in the same room as he accompanied her in her search for the monk? She said he was perfectly safe and he was so uncomfortable as she said it.
Jung Hee's right. He is indeed a Darcy. Both the original Pride & Prejudice Darcy and the Bridget Jones' Diary Darcy. Hahaha.
I think she first teased him (amazing JA) lol. She said first that she was taking his advice from their last conversation, when he said something like "be a good girl and good work collegue", and then made a pause to observe his reaction. And what she saw was disappointment. I think he was very disappointed, because deep inside I believe he hoped she waited because of him - LSG expression was so subtil but just wonderful to express this. And when she confessed it was for him, he was at the same time surprised, afraid, pleased and amazed that she wasn't hidding or denying her feelings. Brilliant scene. Brilliant JA!!!!
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10 hours ago, sadiesmith said:Finally, hearts are afluttering all over Dramabeans. You all should read comment #12 on episode 12 recap by OregonPDX.
by LollyPip
It’s getting harder for Dong-hoon and Ji-an to hide their friendship, especially since everyone is either worried or hoping that it will effect Dong-hoon’s shot at a promotion. But Dong-hoon’s primary concerns lie closer to home, as it gets harder for him to ignore what he knows. Things may seem like they’re going well, but he’s spiraling down hard, and Ji-an might be the only one who can keep him sane.
Dramabeans recap of episode 12.
by LollyPip
So many dramas focus on the relationships between people that it can be hard to stand out when it seems like every possible angle has already been explored. The beauty of My Ajusshi is that it doesn’t try to make the relationships between the characters unique—instead it focuses on the ordinary moments in life, and how those moments can actually be very extraordinary because of the people who experience them. The show allows its characters to be average and flawed, which is the very reason why we identify with them and love them so much.
Yeah, the opinions are split now. About those comments that say there is no loveline, I can understand those who think that DH doesn't love JA; but I can't understand those who say that JA doesn't love him, argumenting something as: a) she is confusing her feelings for love; b.) that saying she likes him is part of her play; c) when she says "like" doesn't mean liking as a man. I just can't lol. Sometimes I think that even if the drama shows the two making babies some will still say that it is just a deep connection lol, but no loveline!
As someone (sorry I don't remember who) said here: we can't deny that in the drama we have at least oan one side love from JA. She confirms it many times: explicitily to loan shark guy, to YH and to the company board; implicitily to his grandmother and YJ. The most important: she confessed twice to DH self lol. The first time we could say it was only staged; but the second one? She not only did reafirm/confirm her feelings for him, she went further and said that she loves him even more.
So, if DH will reciprocate it; if they will stay together; if they will have a happy end, we can argue that it isn't decided yet or that it won't happen. But, if there is one thing that is now declared/confirmed/stated - through words, actions, body language and directional options to film her scenes -, is the fact JA likes DH as a man.
PS: What I think really amazing lol, is that just from a few scenes, people is able to build a love line (or an unrequited love) between the abuser loan shark and JA (even people that doesn't ship them together), but can't see it between JA and DH. After just one scene, when the abuser didn't say I love(d)/like(d) you, he became a poor boy who is torn between love and hate. In short: his feelings were love in the past, and after the crime, is now love and hate. lol. Here, people are able to see between lines, through expressions, that there is love; even if in almost every scene they where together abuser loan shark was beating up, menacing and torturing JA. But, when it comes to DH, they loose this ability. Therefore, they can see love coming out beating; but they can't see love coming out kindness. This really amazes me!!! When there is hate, it comes love; when there is kindness, it comes just kindness, frienship and so on.
I ask myself if, were the actors and ages reversed, the opinions and abilities won't be different too. I'm afraid they will.
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7 hours ago, maddymappo said:
French Prime Minister Macron is 24 years younger than his wife. That's about the age difference between DH and Ji An. Unusual but happens.
If you're talking about politicians, the brazilian (illegitimate) president is 43 years older than his wife!! Talk about age gap!!!! lol
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). So there are many things against the chances to salvage their marriage: adultery, differents views of life, differents ways to understand family and marriage, different expectations, difficult in communication, family knows about the affair. I can't see how, narratively, they can save their marriage: each episode they add new difficults to make it impossible. (I even thought that YH telling the brother about the affair is a way to push DH to ask for the divorce, but who knows?!!)
!!! lol. If you doesn't think it is romance ok, but to say that his worries is related to her work and "welfare" is too much! Really delusional lol. But in Youtube the majority of comments are for romance, and think that DH likes JA too.
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You all should read comment #12 on episode 12 recap by OregonPDX.
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I saw he crying (better saying, tears felt from his eyes) two times: when he was alone - after the discovery, remembering his relationship with JA and realizing some things happened because she was spying on him. The second time, when YJ confessed everything and then he realized she was protecting him. Quiet tears!!!!
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