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18 minutes ago, ccl82 said:
I RAGED (how dare they??!!!) and I think that scene affected my viewing of episode 15.
Drama Milk translated it as: Sorry JA, call me. Me or DH as soon as you hear this, just call us.
US?!! Gurl, there is no 'us'!The knot in my tummy that's been there since this weekend has been untied but now, I feel like I'm dragging myself to watch episode 16. Sigh.
The 'confession' still feels flat (without subs), and if I may just add, that I wish they'd fixed the camera on DH's face. Every time he choked up, they re-routed to JA's face, and I think that robbed us of important details. Like @rellea, I too am desperate, and keep looking out for tiny crumbs like some beggar... For instance, @ the bar with the gang & JA, DH looked around around the table, and he had a look on his face that says: This feels right. Remember the bar celebration scene? He looked around, and it seemed everyone but him was happy.
And I dunno, having re-watched some of the scenes, I also still feel there's a big difference in how JA's been portrayed. Suddenly, she seems very child-like, especially when pitted against YH.
However, in the absence of subs (although, come to think of it why do we need words? haven't they always shown us the feelz?) I'm finding comfort through a- DH's expressions b- @justamom's analysis and @chickfactor's "It's going to be okay. More than okay, it will be gorgeous."
I know the ending will be glorious. I just... YH threw me off. UGH. UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
So many feelings right now. I'm so tired. Where the subs at?
My feelings too: when I first saw that scene, it seemed as she was saying "let's help this poor kid, and then let's keep living together yeobo". She said too times "yeobo" if I'm not wrong. Everything sounded so naturalized, that it feels like they are happy being unhappy lol, since the are together.
But I will watch with subs. You can see at: dramafever or dramanice.
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11 minutes ago, MsMinnieFran said:
I going to reserve all comments and judgement until I watch 16...let the writer finish telling her story.
Edit.: That way I won't be one of those putting their foot in their mouth ...if it comes to that.
I hope I will be one of those putting my foot in my mouth
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9 minutes ago, chickfactor said:
Well, I did not successfully get on my submarine, and enjoyed Ep.15 very much.
What is this lack of hope for the shippers? The ship is cruising. Do we need kissing and back hugs to visually punctuate? This is not that kind of relationship. It's all about words. And the words... are smoldering.
Stay strong, chingus, it will be fine.
Like @justamom said, "hold your horses."
It's going to be okay.
As @justamom translated, the scene at Choon-Dae's when he finally found her was a full-blown, heart-pounding confession of LOVE. He will become happy FOR her (spoken), thus he will become happy WITH HER (implicit).
She understood. They know each other. They get each other. They're finally breathing the same air, on the same page.
It will be fine.
Things are at limbo right now. He is still married, his job situation is still not settled because once all this gets out, it will be a mess. There is a lot to sort out right now. No time for hugs, Dr. Jones. But it will happen in time.
The Chairman is Dong-Hoon's ally. I LOVE it. He is a thoughtful man who does not deal with BS. Turns out he pretty much knew EVERYTHING including JY and YH's affair. I told you, he has his ears on the ground. He's on Dong-Hoon's side and even promised to help Ji-An. It will be okay. He was on the edges of action all this time for a reason.
I do want to point out that DH, when he spoke to the Chairman, offered to quit his job. The Chairman requested him to think about it, and that he didn't want to lose DH. Well, things are up in the air now, at least when it comes to the job.
So there's a conversation that we never saw: Ji-An spoke to Dong-Hoon about Kwang-Il. That when they were young, Kwang-Il was a kind boy who carried Ji-An home after she was beaten to a pulp by his father. They both hurt remembering how kind they used to be each other, and DH comments that both their lives were ruined by a bad adult (Kwang-Il's father). Even though we knew some of this, seeing it play out was just...
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And Kwang-Il will do right by Ji-An, in the end.
And it looks like Ki-Bum was there, too, also with a bloody nose. Is he Ji-An's brother or cousin? Anyway, looks like he's always been around, living with Ji-An since childhood.
I love that Ji-An is hanging out at Jung-Hee's. I hope she stays there for a while. Dong-Hoon, when sitting with Ji-An and the gang said that she was the one who made him Director. And Jae-Chul joked outside that in that case, Ji-An must be the Chairman's granddaughter. (LOL!)
I'm glad the car accident wasn't that bad. It looks like she broke her arm. It was just enough to get these two back together, but not life-threatening. Thank goodness.
Joon-Young is crapping his pants for real now. But even he will be okay. He will be shown grace and mercy in the end.
I love Yu-Ra's loopy dialogue. "You're a pretty girl who doesn't know she is pretty. I hope you never find out!" Ha ha, such a funny girl. She's the only girl who can control anger-ball Ki-Hoon.
I love Sang-Hoon. Only he can come up with that Hong Kong gangster fantasy. So awesome.
I so hope that you're right. Not because I'm a shipper, but because I really like this drama and will feel my self robbed of a great drama. As I said, it is not because I see romance everywhere, it is because I feel it here. And, from DH's expressions (I can't understand korean), I fell it was thown away in episode 15.
My greatest fear is the love expressed, felt and confessed by JA be down played to be a teenager crush, and then when she become more mature, she will see that it was only a crush or a hero worship kind of feeling. This will be so ..... At least, let JA live her love, even if unrequited, with dignity, beauty and romance.
And yeah: I'm not ashamed of the word "romance". Why this word become so shameful, why it became synonimous of shallow feelings? Why physical love become dirty and something shallow? If romance is heart and sex, so romance is one of the most beautiful and wonderful thing that there exist in this otherwise shallow world.
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27 minutes ago, timidjock0819 said:
If we even get that far my friend, it sounds like this show was too afraid offending their domestic audience. After the time skip (judging from the spoiler pics), the only acceptable conclusion is a brand new beginning for DH and Jian finding one another again and acknowledging they are each other's destiny. Otherwise what is the whole point of having a time jump if they will just part ways? Just let the show resolve in real time with Jian's case, GI and JYD behind bars, and have everyone gather at JH's bar, dancing, singing, and laughing etc.. then the end.
Ditto. I am already expecting a worst case scenario that DH will stay with his wife. And I agree, this show finally cave in to the pressure. What a waste isn't it? I guess the prejudice knetz, kdrama feminazis, and the controversies possibly won the battle after all. The intense build up of longing between DH and Jian with their words piercing our jaded hearts from episode 1-14, all of a sudden seems like DH just being an all around compassionate altruistic man. Ah ok.. thanks?
Where should I send my donation money to this Ajusshi?
I agree about the dust settling first because there are still so many issues between DH and Jian that needs to be resolve that I don't think 1.5 hours finale is enough time. ** keeping my fingers cross** that this show will give a satisfying ending but not as optimistic about it anymore.
Yeah, this it what I felt. Just a perfect human being who is so selfless and good that he is capable to do things that normal/real people won't do. That longing from 7-14 episode is just ... compassion. What? Well, this is what I get in DH expressions from episode 15. I just think that DH and his friend took the path from each other: DH should be the monk (look he even doesn't need satisfy his basic needs, he can stay forever with his wife without touching her), and the frind should live with JH.
From episode 15, DH comes up as an unrealistic man to me, because this saint wasn't what they were showing to us. I could understand that DH, despite his feelings for JA, would choose to not stay with her because the implications; I could understand he choose his wife despite his feelings for JA. But it is really difficult to understand that what has being showing as deep love suddenly appears as deep and saintly compassion. It is my judgement from what I saw, from the raw. Maybe the subs change my view.
18 minutes ago, MinAeRin said:too am so frustrated right now...just like you said ep 15 doesnt match the previous episodes, its like the writer wanted to make all DH’s ambiguity disappear all of a sudden..he is so different...i dont even know what to say
This. He comes up very different from before.
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2 minutes ago, justamom said:
Yes yes what he was saying was so touching it felt like a love confession--except he was like a metre away and not holding her like he would in a usual K drama. The physical was absent but the emotional was deeeeep.
My problem is the way YH is taking this. I don't understand korean, but I didn't like the progression of the conversion between them. She saying "I'm sorry", and his expression. I don't know, but don't liked it.
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I am not hoping anything. To me, the worst end will happen: he will stay with YH and be forever like mentor/friend/father to her. Unfortunaly, I think they gave in to pressure/prejudice. In other words: the ending will be not related with how the story has being told. I'm not surprised at all, it isn't the first time that a drama is wonderfull during 14 episodes, and the, the last two is bad (lol, I have a very bad and bitter experience with My love Eun Dong).
I'm sad, because I feel frustrated.
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On MA's OST.
I understand both "Adult" and "There's a Rainbow" as the OTP's songs. I will forever relate these songs to them.
If I'm not got it wrong, they are used in different moments, to convey different OTP's actions that bind them to each other: I would say, figuratively, "Adult" refers to "syncronic action time" and "There's a Rainbow" refers to "diacronic action time". "Adult" is normaly used when they are sharing a "same time" and/or "same space": walking together, eating together, speaking to each other, thinking on each other at the same moment. "There's a Rainbow" is mostly used when one is trying to reach the other, and normaly it expressed by motion: running; I would say that DH calling JA at the end of episode 16 can also be understood as a "reaching" movement.
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56 minutes ago, anipanch said:
I'm rewatching the episodes and it's really amazing rediscovering so many things which I've failed to notice from the start. Especially beautiful is the character growth, it's a big joy watching DH warming up to JA. Truly astonishing how every little detail is well thought out by the writer, she is truly on another level. Just finished watching ep. 7 and it's where DH doesn't hesitate to buy food for JA. He doesn't look bothered, more than that we can say that he looks happy for the first time after JA asks to buy food for her. And I don't know if anyone has noticed, but JA always poured soju herself and the first time they went to eat food she didn't let DH pour the drink. If some of you don't know, it's actually a bad tone to pour soju yourself, someone has to do it for you. In episode 7 JA let DH pour the drink. And one more thing I noticed was how DH on the first and second time sat there awkwardly, not eating anything. This time he was fully comfortable around JA, eating freely.
Oh, and I will never get tired of praising LSK's acting skills! He amazes me beyond words. After watching few of his interviews, I fail to actually comprehend how he manages to portray a man like DH. They are total opposites! LSK seems such a carefree persona, he literally cracks jokes at any given chance. My respect and love, he is indeed one of the best actors I've ever seen not only in kdramas but generally. I hope to see him in a hit movie (alongside IU ofc haha if only that was a possibility). His previous works didn't seem so attractive to me, he seems to be enjoying choosing weird storylines and characters. Any suggestions as to which movie is worthy of watching?
DH doesn't let anyone pour his drink, too; only people very close to him. Soulmates lol!!
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On Mr. Darcy, transcendence, immanence, body, soul and DH.
Transcendece = soul
Immanence = body
Mr. Darcy = DH
Mr. Darcy's unwillingness to love Elizabeth = DH's unwilligness to acknowledge his feelins for JA
Captulations: of the soul, of the transcendency, of the body, of the imanency, of Mr. Darcy, of DH.
Surrender: "You have bewitched me, body and soul, and I love, I love, I love you. I never wish to be parted from you from this day on." Mr. Darcy (P&B 2005 - movie).
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3 hours ago, mushroomsoupie said:
Another sighting of IU and Lee Sun Gyun. Lee Ji An's attire... She looked so pretty! OMG!
Read at your own risk! (Spoiler)
I'm not sure if I can have the same conclusion as yours.
SpoilerI don't think there is necessary a time skip, if by it you understand some months or years. It is true that she is wearing better clothes, what could mean a few weeks has passed. But her hair isn't long. From her clothes, I think she is the girl sitting at the table on the pic bellow (right side). There we can see the length of her hair is the same as now.
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51 minutes ago, timidjock0819 said:
Welcome to the forum. I am glad you decided to join the discussion. I think all of us here are waiting if this writer/PD combo will have what it takes to defy audience perceptions or this production will cave in to the prejudices of the public. Judging from your post, the MA domestic comments are fine as long as it's a "safe" non-romance. How crazy isn't it? Regardless of how much two people will hurt and are completely lifeless being apart in the end they just need to have a deep friendship
because of the age gap. I guess that's improvement compared two weeks ago where the adoption orphanage story was alive and well. And I agree with you. What is the difference between a deep platonic love vs love for another human being vs romantic. They are all in the same and the concepts overlap sometimes in real life. When we meet our other half we fall, find friendship, and love another human being. Just because the possibility their relationship will turn romantic, it does not make MA a stupid love story. Quite the contrary, the show's ending if done right and bravely stand up against prejudices can hold up on it's own and will become one of the greatest love stories in kdramaland. This show was meant to provoke and never conform to the conventional. Otherwise, it would have not openly explored so many ambiguous romantic scenes between their lead characters when no one was forcing the writer/PD on giving any romantic notion from the start.
I was thinking about this platonic thing, this pure love, beyond romance and friendship, and that romance will spoil this.
To me it is ironic. For, since the begining what has being stated is that this drama is a realistic one. In IU's words, it will show how life is and not how life should be. And phrases as pure platonic love, ideal and pure relationship are anything, but a realistic view of life!
It is ironic because talking about platonic, idealistic and pure love is the core of the ultra-romanticism concept. So in fact, they are being ultra-romantic when wishing and looking for a platonic relationship, a pure love. Ultra-romantic writers also wanted a kind of love pure, platonic, ideal, where any physical content will be abhorred and thought as profanation. Nonetheless, at its core, ultra-romanticism is related to an idealist love between a woman and a man.
At the end of the day, they are the romantics; we are the realistics
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From what I see, there has been happening a changing in regards the way people see the relationship between DH-JA. If I take as exemple DB's comments, I think there is a clear change in de "power" balance between shippers and no-shippers. Maybe I'm being delusional in my interpretation, but I think that this change ocurred between episode 13 and episode 14, the latter being the point of "return". If I compare the conclusion's thoughts of the recapper for those episodes, I see this changing, even if it is unwillingly done. In the 13 conclusion, she was talking about DH forgiving YH, in the 14 conclusion, she was talking about something as "they love each other, but it is beyond this and that, and they aren't meant in this life". For me this a capital change. It is true that some people has problem in let go their first impressions (and this would be true for some shippers, if the case was other way round), and won't accept it. But I think those will be few after episode 15. I think this is the brilliance of this writer: take a difficult thema and, step by step, make people change the way they look at it.
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1 hour ago, rellea said:
Thanks!
I finally decided to join after weeks of lurking and refreshing the page for my fix in between each episode. I've fallen deep into this rabbit hole and I'm not sure I want my life back.
I've seen so many comments from Korean viewers (I'm Korean American so I often look at the Korean comments on naver) saying that their love is beyond just romance or friendship (thankfully not as many people are calling it a familial relationship anymore). I saw one comment referring to it as "the purest, platonic love". They see themselves in each other and would do anything to make the other happy. It's the greatest "love of another human being". They go absolutely ape richard simmons when someone suggests that it might be romantic love because "Don't turn it into another stupid love story".
And okay, I get where they're coming from, and I agree to a certain extent, but what I don't get is why it can't be romantic love. People are genuinely offended when someone brings up the possibility. Does romantic love have to be sexual? (I mean, we know that Donghoon thinks she's pretty at least when no one else does at least. There was definitely an initial attraction on his part, imo.) Isn't the basis of a successful romantic relationship strong emotional support and deep care for one another? To be honest, I can't really see the difference between the "pure, platonic love" they describe and "romantic love" aside from the sexual aspect. I'm convinced that were the age gap smaller, no one would have a problem with seeing their relationship as romantic.
I hope the writer/pdnim will be courageous enough to challenge those viewers, or even Korea itself lol. I have the intuition that after episode 15, people will be convinced that they have right to live their love "both on earth and in the heavens". As imanent/transcendent love.
I think the fact DH still has done nothing about his marriage make people think that classify DH-JA's love as romantic love will say it is impure.
Only my intuitions...
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6 hours ago, mylovelystar said:
Who is JA (IU) in that "BTS" pic? I can't see her properly. If I would say that someone there is her, I would say that it is the girl with ponnytail, sitting at the table.
My taken for the last two episodes, imagining the writer will keep the quality of her writing:
1. I don't think there will be another farewell. We had already one, beautifuly written, directed, acted and powerfully conveyed. Another farewell couldn't never convey the same impact and would be so, at this point, lackluster that I think almost impossible the writer/pdnim will show another one. And what for?
2. Therefore, If there will have a timejump, I don't think it will happen to show "some day in the future they come across with each other", but to show how they are going with their life. I don't think that the "bts" pic shows a timejump will occur: I can't see JA, and the woman with long hair can be anyone.
3. To me, episode 15 will be THE episode. It is here (I hope) that DH will do and make what we, shippers, hope lol. I think his talk with YH won't be only about JA dealings, but it will also be cathartic in a sense they will put an end to their marriage, and he will (half)acknowledge his feelings for JA. And, to make a kind of atonment, YH will help him to get his happiness. I think we will have the Hug in this episode
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4. Episode 16 will be to close everything else: how resolve the company situation and JA's legal issues. Also, how they will make their relationship true with every challenge they have ahead.
My own ideal ending will be a "Happy Open Ending": they decide to stay together as a couple, but knowing that this decision brings many challenges that they will have to deal with. So their future is a future together, but where happiness and problems to be overcome will walk side by side.
Yeah, maybe too wishfull think lol. In fact, I think writer will surprise me, in a positive sense!
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5 minutes ago, Wotad said:
Exactly i think they were part of the problem with regards to how DH was before JA, throughout the show not really cared for them as much as the Monk and DH/JA story.
i think hes a little messed up as well.
I think that SH is more to blame than KH, he was the one who speaks always about his mother funeral. SH's character is the only important one who hasn't a good development till now; while KH's character got it, imo. So, to me, the one who put more pressure on DH is SH. We can see that even in the first episode, when SH said DH has to stick to his job to pays the mother's funeral; then KI did comment that he always felt bad for DH, because he wouldn't let himself be tempted due to his morals, so he was pitful. It was said jokingly, but I think he was telling what he truly thought. I think that he is the brother that better understand DH, because he is the most sensitive towards him. KH's reaction towards YH's affair is the same as DH, but for the violence: this was clear to me from the way DH's behaved when YH was leaving the celebration, he wasn't happy with SH and his expression was very similar to KI's expression.
He is also the one who DH almost told about his wife, showing to me that he is the one DH feels closest.
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1 hour ago, noor1 said:
DH has been pretty vocal about how he feels - he likes her, is protective about her, has her best interest in his heart and mind and would do anything to make her happy - without crossing any line - that's why he gets angry whenever anyone suggests a hint of impropriety about his relationship with Ji-An. Whenever someone questions him, he defends his actions as those of a good manager, person, adult. Is he feeling guilty for harboring what he may consider 'inappropriate' feelings for an unfortunate, smart, gutsy, pretty girl? Does he think it's romantic love for a woman? His words and actions don't show that. He is grateful for her presence, help, and ability to rock his boat. Of course, he has led her on too without rejecting her outright, probably scared to let the support system go, taking her feelings as a mere crush (though he is getting an idea how serious her admiration is, when she keeps telling EVERYBODY that she really really likes him and would do anything for him and now is in a mess trying to save him yet again!). However, he does the right thing, for the right reasons, at the right time. He has his priorities in order: family, friends, job, co-workers, and then Ji-An. The 'elephant in the room' is 'is that all there is to it?'
I think that's all there is to it. Others of course see something more. I hope there's more, it seems like there's more, but I'm not hedging any bets over it. The only reason DH seems Mr. Mysterious is because people don't want to see what he is showing: complete, selfless, regard and respect for another human being who touched his soul and made him feel alive and well and made him feel beautiful all over again so that he could assert himself and live a full life without fear or regret or indignity. He would be okay if he knew she was okay, wherever she is and remains in contact with him. There has been no indication that he wants anything more. He's not greedy that way!
But I think we see all that!!!!!
The problem is not that we (the "people" you refer) don't see it. The problem (if it is a problem) is that we not only see it!
. It is very difficult not to see more when DH's breaths, gazes and restrained self and gestures whisper to us that there is more than "complete, selfless, regard and respect for another human". And, after the song that he did sing, not only do I see more, I hear it very loudly .
I do agree that he isn't greedy. I would say that there is few indications that he wants anything more. But I desagree that he would be ok just knowing she is alright and in contact with her. From the scenes after the phone boot until the scenes he realizes recouldn't contact her, he did show what I see like longing and missing, and he had no reason to think she wasn't ok and she couldn't contac her.
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1 hour ago, Wotad said:
i mean they can be together.
I mean if they are not around each other would either of them be happy , they are happy around each other . I think they are meant to be together but will they get together i doubt it.
Look at how he reacts when she does not turn up at work for one day , or when she leaves and he tells her to call him etc.. Look at that phone call . They are meant to be together.
I agree with you.
Unless we (shippers) are (not jonkingly but for real) delusional, it doesn't make sense to me to build up a story of soulmates that are meant to meet as "shooting stars" (p.s.: I'm rewatching Nagareboshi lol). If the writer is telling the story of two people with this kind of deep attachement, feelings, connection, need for each other, this kind of feelings that many say "romance" is too poor, too shallow to describe what is going on between them, then I can't imagine how they aren't meant to be together. As what you said: that doesn't mean that they will be together (which will be felt mostly as a sad ending).
If the writer is telling a friendship connection (and we are delusional for real), then it is possible to think that they weren't meant to stay together: they will meet, make a profound impression on each others life, they will part healed and we will be satisfied with this ending. Because in real life, despite the quality and depth of a friendship connection, when this friend parts we will be sorry, we will miss him/her, but this event wouldn't be a impediment to our happiness, this wouldn't mean emptyness. On the contrary, the impact of that friend in our life, even without his/her presence, will also be a means to happiness, for his/her absence wouldn't take away the experience of fulfillment that that connection brought to us.
However, what the drama shows through the phone booth conversation, wans't a farewell of friends, but of lovers. They didn't show a bittersweet farewell, but a painful one.
But the best and powerful moment when they showed the impact of DH's loss, to me, was when he realized that his possibility of connection with JA didn't exist anymore. It was a bit funny, for the phone booth conversation was a so-called definitive farewell: they would meet each other by chance or when her grandma will die. Yet, he sent message to her, was anxious that she didn't answer, as if that so-called farewell didn't happen, or didn't mean anything. And then the powerful moment happened: when calling JA, he recieved the news that it wasn't her number anymore. His world fell apart.
I can't really describe with words (in english and in my language lol) the impact of that scene on me. LSK acting was just awesome. It expressed loss, surprise, confusion, despair, empytness, sadness, and the more vital: as if his soul would have abandoned his body.
The story tells, to me, that they long to be together, that happiness means to be together, that life fulfilled means to be together. So I think that the drama is describing the story of two souls that are meant to be together. But we don't know if the show wil take the path of happy ending (and make them to be together) or the path of sad ending (and make them to be apart). Let's hope the former.
56 minutes ago, timidjock0819 said:I believe that DH's thoughts about his feelings for Jian were purposefully omitted by the PD throughout the drama until the big reveal which I assumed will be happening by Episode 15. It is a story telling tactic masterfully crafted by KWS, he likes to put strings by around the ending and will likely reveal more scenes about DH's feelings regarding Jian. The production knows that the audience is getting impatient. They have no choice at this point but to address the big elephant in the room.
Maybe this is the "Signal reload" drama, where the criminal is DH's feelings, who will be revealed only at the last episode!
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9 minutes ago, maddymappo said:
Yeah, but the question is - why did the writer intentionally make this big age gap. He could be 8 years younger and she could be a few years older, and as you say, no one would blink an eyelash. Why then? I am wondering if it is the writer or the PD that made the age so profoundly different? PD said something about wanting to change the image conjured up by the word "ajoessi" older "uncle" man, which is kind of dodgy and dull. Perhaps the PD is having a midlife crises. The story works so well without the big age difference, that it had to be placed there self consciously, either to arouse public interest in the show (no news is bad news) or as a kind of wish fulfillment.
I think that the intention is to create interest and to challenge prejudices. It was also not without reason that they chose IU, who had a "controversy" due - if I'm not mistaken - a work making reference to Lolita. I think much that what the director said was to provoque, mislead and arouse interest. They kept the ambiguity as a game. But I think that they are seeing this work as a challenge. Couple with palatable age isn't really a challenge. The question to me is: will they keep challenging people views untill the end, or will they not be up to the challenge? At least, this is as I understand it.
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I think the writer isn't playing with foreshadowing, but with metaphors. The many lifes of JA, her 30.000 years is a metaphor of her bleak, hopeless and tired life, her old soul that makes her feels like she has many many years, that she is already an old person; she doesn't wishing to reborn means she is tired of her life, she is already old and doesn't see any future for her, only the same. The "she still reborns because she does it at the wrong place", means to me that she has no home, she is in fact alone; the "she reborns because she don't let go her hatred and has to love" is almost not a metaphor but a depiction of JH's experience of life. I interprete it as the writer saying that when JA learns to love, she won't be tired anymore, she will metaphoricaly "reborn" (or as christians say: have a new birth) to the right place, therefore she will have a home and love.
So, when JA said that it doesn't matter anymore if she will reborn, I took this as she saying metaphoricaly that she found life, she found love, she isn't tired anymore, she left the hatred go.
However there is a more important metaphor to me: JA said that she hated the seasons, including spring, and that to me represents her bleak and hopeless life. But now, the drama shows the spring everywhere, and I think this is a metaphor of JA's current state of mind. Spring is season that brings/means/represents hope, love, new possibilities, happiness, future and life. This promesse is one of life, not one of death (this is winter). Therefore, I'm hoping that the drama will give to us a spring ending, full of hope and love
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6 minutes ago, sadiesmith said:
I am very worried that this is indeed the ending we will get. My husband can somehow predict things accurately, things that took us weeks to discuss, and after episode 14 last night he said emphatically that someone will die. From the preview I heard Ji An saying that she just wants her ajusshi to be happy, and he tearfully replies that he will. I imagine it is her death scene. She has fulfilled her life's purpose of giving someone her boundless, selfless love like @mushroomsoupiesaid, and now she can be reincarnated with a better life.
As much as I don't like it, I think the events leading up to her death will involve DH working together with YH and in the end her death will somehow restore their relationship. YH will somehow have atoned for her sin by selflessly trying to get JA back from her run. We will get a hug finally, first between DH and JA, and then between DH and YH.
I don't know if that is exactly healing, but I can see the show end this way.
I hope your husband is wrong this time.
This is episode 15's preview, right? If it is, then that dialogue will happen then. IMO, it means that she won't die. If it was in episode 16, it could be a possibility. But if is not, even if it happens at the end of episode 15, I think she would survive, if that dialogue means that her life is in danger.
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For sure, everybody in the company has a twisted mind: how could they suspect that JA-DH relationship is anything other than a father-daughter relationship? How could be that the directors, while preparing DH, didn't see that their relationship is a father-daughter one, therefore it wasn't a problem at all! So obvious and so simple, but people there have really a twisted mind, including DH's team members, who were very worried about it. YJ's opinion doesn't have any value, he is a vilain therefore a priori he has the most twisted mind, what applies to KI too.
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1 hour ago, MinAeRin said:
I dont know if people who support the adopt/father-daughter relationship are doing it on purpose or.....
uhh..like you said this marriage is dead. Like, i mean...not only YH knows and want it to be but PDH also said it..that he just doesnt know how to end it..how can this be more clearer.
i feel like people thinking that are very young and dont know nothing about relationships or are very naive....like how can one not see the love that DH feels for JA and vice versa??? Do we really have to repeat the same things..about how he treat her so much more fondly than the other employees...how he loses his mind much more harder when its about JA more than he does when its about his wife.....
and by making a big age gap betweeen Ji seok and LJA, i think the writer wanted to make it clear: she is not like a daughter to him
Unfortunally, I don't think it is a case of naivety. Taking the risk to be "accused" of intolerance, I will say that prejudices cloud people's objectivity and direct their "gaze" to only understand what is happening through the prejudices' lenses. So, the age gap prejudicy plays a strong role in directing the way people watch the drama, this prejudice is fed by the pdnim's statements during the press con, when he said "it is a human drama" and so on. These statements are taken dogmaticaly, without any possibility of questioning, changes and relativization. It is really difficult to free oneself from prejudices, convictions and dogmas. This has nothing to do with age or experience.
The same drama with a smaller age gap or no age gap at all, played and directed the same way, with the same DH's repressed and ambiguious ways, plus the wife and son, will be considered by almost everyone as a romantic drama about DH-JA love. Almost everybody would agree that DH is completely, deeply, hopelessly in love with JA as she is in love with him.
I just hope that the prejudice wave towards this drama became unimportant in Korea. For, to me, the only reason why the drama won't express clearly the love between JA-DH would be because they gave in to the pression of prejudices.
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About YH.
When YH didn't know yet that DH knew about the affair, I said that she will try to salvage her marriage, but would see that DH wouldn't be happy and will free him. I said then too that DH will never ask for a divorce, that he wouldn't acknowledge his love for JA before the last episode.
After watching episode 14 (and from the few glimpses in the preview), I still stick to my prediction.
Before, I would like to say something: if the writer keeps the way she is dealing with DH's marriage situation, it is impossible that it can be salvaged. Narrativaly, there isn't any evidence/situation to indicate salvation: they barely speak with each other, they are awkward when together and alone, but also when with people. Till now, during the narration process, there weren't any moment pointing to the idea that a kind of healing process is being develloped. For this to hapen, the two would have to share more than 2 minutes in the episodes, and thiswith conversation and not only with silence and awkwardness. In short, the narrative doesn't waste its time dealing with a marriage healing process thema. The way the story has being told, imo, shows that, in case of DH stays happy with YH, this would happen only through an inertial force, without both putting any effort in it. This stays the more true if we take into account the preview: DH's whole self is concentrated only in JA; YH will tell the truth about she knowing JA was working with YJ, and that he was using her to make a scandal, and that she never told him that, even after she broke with YJ, what will be another example of the magnitude of YH's betrayal.
So, from the past episodes till the preview scenes, there is no indication of healing DH's marriage. To do that in the last episode would be lazy writing imo.
The above doesn't mean that DH won't stay unhappy with YH, with his "it isn't a big deal" ideology, mantra, religion, principle, raison d'être, hollything and whatever. It would be a sad ending for him, but there are real chances that we will get a sad ending (25% imo).
Back to YH: I think that she doesn't love DH anymore. I still think that she was self-centered, but I don't believe she would have an affair being still in love with DH. I think that both fell out of love during their marriage, then she fell in love with YH (but it wasn't deep). In my opinion, the healing for YH's character isn't to be with DH, but to let her self-centeress go and become a more selfless woman. And I think that she regrets badly the fact that she lost this kind of man, and also his family and friends. She is sad about it, but she knows that it is impossible to be happy with DH. It was clear during the celebration: if they stay together, it will be a life of "being a perfect couple" in front of the others, when alone home awkwardnes mixed with DH's sad face and few words, and then her brothers-in-low: one making ridiculous efforts to help them endure the situation, the other giving her the "I don't forgive you, b*" look. [btw, DH's new office and the family pic are a perfect statement of him keeping his façade of a happy married man!].
She knows DH won't change things, she knows that both will be unhappy.
And I came to what I think will be her closure in the process of become a less self-centered person:
1. She knows that JA likes/loves DH;
2. She senses that JA is a very important person to DH;
3. She knows their marriage is doomed;
4. She will have a better idea of DH's feelings for JA when he will confront her about JA's dealings. As well as YJ, she will conclude what kind of feelings they share;
5. She will knows that DH needs JA to be happy;
6. She knows DH won't make the move to ask divorce;
7. She will be generous with him, and herself, and will free DH. Plus: for DH's sake, she will happy him with JA;
8. The way she will show her selfless self and generousity, will be by exposing herself as a cheating woman, what will allow DH to be with JA.
9. She will exit graciously and redeemed.
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I'm speechless: really!
I came to realize that there are two versions of MA: 1) a "My Mister exclusive Dramabeans' Version", and 2) the version I'm watching. Which one is the real?
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Just now, chickfactor said:
Yeah, I think that was a feint.
DH left his phone in the movie theater so that she wouldn't hear him confront Joon-Young. Then we heard her listening to a man crying through her headphones. So we thought it was him, but it was actually a scene in the movie.
So he gingerly holds the phone up and says, "Lee Ji-An... Lee Ji-An... call me."
(And *I DIE*)
I think I used the wrong word (it's a translation problem, in my language that works well [my bad]). Sorry.
He didn't really cried, he shed some tears, two times. See the links above.
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Where should I send my donation money to this Ajusshi?
. And I agree with you. What is the difference between a deep platonic love vs love for another human being vs romantic. They are all in the same and the concepts overlap sometimes in real life. When we meet our other half we fall, find friendship, and love another human being. Just because the possibility their relationship will turn romantic, it does not make MA a stupid love story. Quite the contrary, the show's ending if done right and bravely stand up against prejudices can hold up on it's own and will become one of the greatest love stories in kdramaland. This show was meant to provoke and never conform to the conventional. Otherwise, it would have not openly explored so many ambiguous romantic scenes between their lead characters when no one was forcing the writer/PD on giving any romantic notion from the start.
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Ok. After watching with sub, I think I'm with my half foot in my mouth
. Hope I will put my whole feet in my mouth tomorrow.
I think that we are back to the begin of episode 14, in regards to DH's leting us be sure about his feelings. @timidjock0819 you're right. He seems still very much at the same place as one episode before. And I think this is a flaw of the drama, imo: I think that at this time we have to see it clearly. On the other hand, I had stated myself that DH will never acknowledge his feelings for JA before episode 16, and that possibly at the end of this episode. So, maybe, my first impression will be the true one.
So, imo, we have as many posibilities now as then (begin episode 14, because at the ending of episode 14 and begin of episode 15 I was sure about an acknowledge of the romance). I think my frustation was because YH's convo with DH put me completely off, and the distant way with which DH dealt with JA's rencontre and confession felt, at first (and influnced by YH-DH's convo without sub), "cold".
Something in the show that I think won't change, unless this writer is a psycho (lol):
- YH and DH won't be together. After the subs, I understood better the convo and the emotions at play. I think YH let it clear that JA loves DH, and this one was really not worried about the wife, not really interested in her. Then, when they were discussing about the "process", he said: "Thank you". lol A husband wouldn't say thank you to a wife as if she was a third part. And the answer: is a way to pay back my error. So, if the writer is coherent, this marriage has no possibility to continue. Second: DH still refers to his life as pathetic and pitful, he doens't considers himself "healed" (because, can't be unless he is with his soulmate for real hehehe).
Few observations that made me hope:
1. KH and his girlfriend said two things very importante:
- He said that DH doesn't say things clearly (Is that an alert to us: fighting! lol)
- She said it was a long time ago that she saw a WOMAN without mkup. This: a woman, finally someone say that. BTW, she is more than 10 years younger than KH, lol. Age gap is a family trait
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2. I think DH is really happy in the bar, with JA and their secret lol. But JA has no idea whch are his intentions, so she is really sad.
3. When DH ran to see JA he looked like a man in love. In many moments througout this episode I saw the longing and despair of a man in love in DH when he was alone, but when with her he is really hermetic. The only time he showed something was in the bar. He looked happy and relaxed.
So, I'm still delusional and I'm still seeing romance. Hope my delusion comes true
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