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  1. Hi everybody! :)

    I'm logging in just to present my short theory/bet for tomorrow episode, after watching preview (even considering it could be just a troll lol):

    1. Taek has been putting many effort trying to date many girls, without success, hence DS's idea that he dated many girls in the past;

    2. JH will say to DS that Taek was in love with her. He will confess taek's love, not his.

    Well, it isn't delusional, it is just a theory/bet :)  ;) 

    back  to log out mode. Bye!

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  2. Maybe I'm just too tired to make deep analysis, and then I'm just taking things as it comes to me. So, I have some ideas and at the same time I don't (or I'm not able) understand some interpretations that people do. So:

    1. To me, why it wasn't showed why DS gave JH's wallet, it is just to state that DS's cruch on JH is over. It isn't important anymore (sorry if I'm being blunt). If it would be a flash back, why will they be so carefull to show that scene that way (only the voices and the camera from a very distant stand pont)? Because in fact they showed already what happened. If everything is meaningfull in this show, why only distant voices and a very open camera taken? Wouldn't it be to show a distance between the two? An absence of urgence and antecipation and frisson? Wasn't to show an absence of romance?  And lastly, if I'm not mistaken, why during the same scene did DS call JH as JP, the same way that she called him before her crush?

    2. If after so many experiences in hospital because of his brother, and after that in every episode someone goes to the hospital, JH isn't saying that his dream is to be a doctor, I can't understand why he will in the future become a doctor because of his brother!!! Why has he to be a doctor?

    3. If I just look at the story, and the way the writer is telling her story, I will say: SW and JH is over to DS; DS still doesn't know her heart, but it seems that TK is more important to her than what she thinks and that maybe (m.a.y.b.e) she will fall for him. But at this point, any other guy can make her heart fluster. But it seems that we have to take in mind the things that are outside the story in iself. So, to me 60-40 advantage for Taek.

    I feel like I have written now a bunch of meaningless things lol Don't take what I wrote serious :) 

     

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  3. 11 minutes ago, sartikam said:

    @nearsea big no ! I rewatch that scene right now, then i read your comment. Heheh..

    her first love is sunwoo because when we heard her voice the scene dating to eat ramyun was running (remember ds makeup like ghost? And wore white shirt) 

     

    Yeah, This was my point: at that time it was summer, it was the summet of DS's crush on SW, and she said that on voiceover when walking side by side with SW. And she was hugely happy, confident and hopefull about SW's feelings.

    So, unless the writer insert any scene in the next episodes that desconstruct what was said by DS's then, to me it is stablished that SW's was her first love (just my humble opinion). :)

     

     

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  4. Why it is really important that DS's husband have to be her first love?

    I think it really refreshing that this time the girl has had two love experiences before falling in love for real. This feels so real!!! For, the natural thing (at least the most commun) it is people falling in and out love till find the love that will last.

    I read at the main thread that there is the idea that in fact DS's first love was JH, and I think that @monsterlife posted here that she thought it could be TK, given the deeper attachement that DS has towards TK throughout the years. In fact, I think that if we had to pick one theory, that of TK as de first love makes more sense than that of JH.

    However, I don't believe in anyone of those theories. For to me, we have to take at face value what DS herself said about it (and sometimes I think it funny why we forget some things that are really important):

    - Ep. 3, from 8'00'' to 8'06'', DS uttered very clearly and explicitely:

    "Summer, 1988...

    ... SDS's first experience with love ...

    ... On other words: her first love just begun!"

    Well, I can't see why we should ignore DS's words. Most of us are "upset" because we get nothing from the pov of DS. But here, we have her pov. And from her point of view SW was her first love.

    To me it´s clear as water, and I don't want to argue with DS, I don't want to ignore DS's words. And I really think that the author has already explicetely stablished that SW was her first love. Maybe her message is: It is not always that the first love is the truest, the deepst or the ever lasting love. :)  ;)  So guys, if your first love doesn't work, don't despair: in your life you will know many others wonderfull people who can arise inside you the most powerful and beautifull love, the kind of love that will be reciprocated and that will last forever!

    I really like this message!!! :) 

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  5. Hi

    I'm more an outsider than an insider here :)  But I'm consistently lurking here and also following SW-BR thread (who are in fact my OTP) ;).

    After ep. 15 I had wrote a long post, but gave up to post here. It was very pessimistic and thought it would bother you guys here. I won't post it anymore because so much changed after episode 16 (at least from the recaps and the few scenes I saw). But I will sumarize it in few words:

    - I still thought JH was the end game (for sure), although to me DS-JH love line was poorly written;

    - Although till now I wasn't shipping DS with none of them, after episode 15 I was unwillingly (and very upset with it) boarding this ship too (even if I believed then that it would sink), for Taek's character and DS-TK development is too good to not be shippable (lol).

    - To me, if Taek wouldn't back out, he would never got that girl.

    However, after today's epsiode I think (wow what a changing!) that the probability that TK is the husband is bigger than that of JH. IMO, today's episode stablished for sure Taek as the mainly amongst the main characters. :).

    And, I completely agree with what @Meliere in special about the nobel idiocy trope: without an act as "bigger" as that of JH, Taek will never get the girl.

    51 minutes ago, Meliere said:

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    Here are my additional observations as to why Taek will be end game:

    • Dongryung is Suntaek's match maker. End story. Done. 
    • The past five episodes is "slow" and "stagnant" only if you're team JH, sorry. Here on the Taektanic we've been delighted every episode with important reveals. My favs are TK helping JH's dad, TK telling DS that BR "must have been DS in the past life LOL", TK being sassy with SW & BR (and BR's "Choi Taek ... I trust you"), AND OMG TK being the one to beat JB's arcade record LOLOLOL. Oh, and don't forget sassy Taek counting his Blue Marble money in front of his friends.
    • Deoksun's "courtship" of JH mirrors her crush on SW. She liked SW for 4 episodes (ep. 3 - 6); she again pursued JH for 4 episodes (ep. 11-14). Everything from the dressing up and primping to aegyo speech are direct mirror images. 
    • Thematic consistency: the whole point of episode 15 was to establish DS as an individual. What's the point of DR's pep talk if she gets two confessions from the boys and has to choose one?!?! Now the onus is on her to find her heart and go after the boy she likes.

     

    (sorry for cutting your post)

    I absolutly agree with what is highlighted above: the pace of the tringle love line wasn't slow. The transparent truth is that JH-DS love line just stopped, there weren't developments because (if it isn't another trolling) their loveline wasn't meant to be developed!!! What we got was the slowly but always consistent and constant development (or building up) of TK-DS (love)friendship since episode 6!!!! What I thought really curious when lurking through SW-BR thread was people there complaining that on the main thread people were blaming/bashing SW and BR because they were stealing time from the main OTP. People there said that JH-DS-TK shippers or even TK-DS and DS-JH shippers were annoyed with the pace. Well, I was tempted to write there and to say that they were wrong 'cause the slowly pace of the main OTP (meanig JH-DS) was mostly seen here as a blessing, and that I barely (or never) saw any of you guys blaming BR-SW lol .

    The biggest thing that refrained me to believe TK as the husband, however, was the fact that till the end of ep. 15 we hadn't any sign of how DK's really felt. But, when she and DR are dancing (when Tk discovery JH's feelings), I noted one thing: she doesn't looked even one time to JH (at least not in a meaningfull way), after she stopped she keeps looking at DR. During the whole moment I felt as if DS was back to episode 1, when every guy there was only her friend, nothing more.

    But, from the few scenes that I saw of episode 16, I'm almost sure that, even if in a subtil way, it was shown that DS's heart goes to TK.

    Nevertheless, I still think that it is possible that Taek isn't the husband. For two things: the real guy upon who he is based (he has another lovestory) and the fact that JH's actors name come first in the credits (if I'm not mistake).

    But I'm not worried about Taeks end. I'm confident that, be it with DS or without her, TK will get a really good and satisfying end :) 

    (sorry for the long post!).

     

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  6. Hello,

    May I join here although I’m not a Taek-Sun shipper? Looking at the moode here, I’m feeling more confident to post my impressions here than in the main thread. However, I only want to post here because I like very much Taek’s character: if I could have a wish granted, I would like very much to watch a movie/or drama based on Taek’s character (maybe what I wish in fact is to see on screen the baduk’s player story, because if Taek is based on his life/persona he must be such an amazing character to be depict in a movie/drama!!!).

    Back to the ship thing, as I said, in principle, I’m not shipping DS with Tk nor with JH. In regards to the love lines, I’m most interested in SW-BR dynamics and SW’mom and Taek’s dad romance. The truth is: I’m not interested in the main OTP, because I think JH is the end game and, imo, their love line is the weakest point in the whole AM88 ensemble! Maybe it’s just me but the whole JH falling in love and backing off, and DS crush is so uninteresting in a narrative point of view that I’m afraid to post in the main thread lol. So, I thought I would be better received here. :)

    IMO, if the falling in love way of JH and DS crush is kind of normal in real life at that age, on the other hand, I don’t think that work in a drama, unless the writer is able to depict it in a very interesting, tense and surprising way. But, to me, this isn’t working here: the whole JH-DS arc feels bland, flat to me. As many said already, I can’t feel/see the depth of their love. And I say it even if I’m convinced that JH is the main lead. I don’t know if this is a question of weak chemistry or weak writing or weak acting or bad direction, but I really can’t relate to DS crush or to JH’s dilemma (however, I can feel that he is in love): I know JH is friends with Taek, but God, to me it’s unbelievable that he just didn’t say anything to DS in spite the fact that she is almost throwing herself on him lol. If he wasn’t sure about DS, I could understand him backing off in his pursuit, but if everybody is right and JH is an observant and perceptive guy, he could be sure now that DS is crushing on him lol. My conclusion is that JH’s noble idiocy (and I think in this case I really agree it is an idiocy) was introduced here only as a plot drive to create a tension that has no need to exist, and just feels like a filler. Therefore, to me the effect is really poor and shows only how the love line between DS-JH is poorly written and not interesting. (Maybe because it is so but so much cliché!?). (I’m not bashing JH, I think he is really an endearing guy, what I’m saying is only that to me his love line arc is poorly written, that’s all, and it doesn’t help that most of his time on screen is related to his love story).

    And I think this is why Taek shines in comparison with JH. Although his screen time is so little in comparison with JH’s screen time, it doesn’t feel that way. To me, it feels as they were even!

    Maybe, what I will say next will make some of you “hate” me lol, but the fact is that I was one of those few who thought CB (AM94) was in a way an annoying character lol, because he was too single layered to me. And this is the reason why I think Taek has nothing to do with CB (save genius status – though I think Taek’s genius status is higher than that of CB): I really love his character.

    To be truth (and imo) CB’s dynamic was obviously that of a second lead, and only the trolling clues could had prolonged the hopes of CB shippers (btw, though I never thought CB was the husband, I agree that his character was sacrified and mistreat for the sake of the game: I, too,  was frustrated with his development, and would like to see more about his love story). To me, the big difference between the two is the fact that, for CB, if NJ was with him in the same frame everything else faded and he had only eyes for her. The whole CB arc revolves around his love for NJ, the rest related to him was only poor hints about friends and family. So, as most second kdrama leads, CB “lived” only through his love for NJ: in a narrative point of view this was his function in the drama (which I agree is really cruel!).

    However, contrary to that, Taek’s life, character and development don’t moves because DS is there. On the contrary, he likes her, it is true, but I feel like Taek’s own life and reason to be there in the drama can survive very well without DS! Taek can even ignore DS when it is necessary (totally not CB lol), which is very wealth imo. Another point that makes difference between then: every “date” between CB and NJ happened because CB was very active; but for Taek, aside the movie, every “date” between him and DS happened, in a way, without him making any effort: China, beach, many times in his room, restaurant event, etc. So to me, the more I watch Taek’s character, the less I feel him like CB, therefore like a hopeless second lead.

    About DS’s crush on JH. Yeah, I agree with people who say she starts liking him because her friends, and now I think it will be almost impossible that the writers will change this course. However, what I feel weird is that DS never remembers anything meaningful that JH did for her, aside the “don’t go” which is confirmation that “he likes me”. But every other JH’s action and present she just forgot about it. Maybe it isn’t important to be pointed in the narrative, but the absence of remembering “sweet memories” doesn’t help to build up the feeling in me that her feelings are deep or based in strong/meaningful reasons. This is why I think it is poorly written, ‘cause I think their pair is the OTP, but their love line arc is … yeah…

    Finally, although I’m not shipping DS with none of them, I agree with you here that maybe even if their screen time isn’t that much DS-TK relationship appears more deep and meaningful to me. It would make a refreshing story if TK would turn out to be the husband, but I don’t believe this will happen.

    I’m sorry, I wrote too much, but I just had this urge to write it. Sorry again. And I hope my thoughts doesn’t bother you guys. ;)

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  7. 5 hours ago, oyeleyeolusina said:

    He did give HK the answer to his question, when he said.

    I was discharged from the army in April of that year, but in the 26 months I served in the army, you never once came to see me.

    JE was trying to tell HK that kind of effort and how persistent he was when trying to date her by giving that example that for more than 2 years he was doing his military service, she never tried visiting him even if she missed him.

     

    And that is what makes me ask: why HK not visting him for 26 months while they were dating isn't a big deal, instead is JH to blame (meaning he didn't cara about her) because he didn't tried to know about or to see HK during 4 years while they where divorced?

    I mean: if the fact that JH didn't ask about or didn't look for HK during their divorced period is a sign of no love towards HK, the logical inference would be that during that 26 months HK didn't loved or cared about JH. However, we explain her behaviour as she was tough, serious and very concentrated in her study (and we mean this in a positive view), even if they were dating and we saw clearly she loved him; but when it is JH's behaviour, which has being carefully examined, many conclude that it shows his absence of love towards HK, although they were divorced!

    So, my opinion is that the writter simply shows that the fact that someone doesn't act (e.g. asking about that person well being or not visiting that person) doesn't mean absence of love. It means that sometimes powerfull reasons or strong will can make people act passively, restrain their love or don't display any sign of love.

     

     

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  8. JE forced to marry SR to save HK from going to jail -- using the Noble Idiot method of gaining sympathy for a character--- Based on drama to date -- I hope and think this great writer will not use this method-- if she wants JE SR marriage she will come up a with a better method.  That will have us all screaming-- how did that happen-- a TWIST we will be shocked by.

    I agree with you. This writernim would be so off-kilter with what she has shown us thus far, that for her to go makjang in that oft-used-k-style noble idiocy is quite unthinkable. I look forward to her twist once again. So far, she has done very well in her cliff-hangers and twists.

    Just like today's ep, the common grain was to have JE work really hard to gain HK's heart and hand again. But, it wasn't so. Though I believe there's a reason or two, which will be revealed later.

    Anticipating.... :crazy:

    Yes, I hope so. But I think that SR is capable to blackmail HK and/or JE, the same way I think also that HK and JE are strong enough to no accept be blackmailed.

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  9. Also, I have a feeling that HK may end up in jail.  Along with her father in law. JE's mother talked about the things she did with the father in law and those are things that she should go to jail for.  The writer will probably have JE waiting for her when she gets out of jail.

    HK will not end up in jail as she was smart enough not to use documents that might later implicate her and JE's father plus smart and talented lawyers like HK who know the law very well are the best people to commit crimes as they will know how to commit criminal acts that wouldn't be punishable by the letter of law and I bet if the fabricated documents are things that can be proved, then someone who been framed by HK and JE's father would have looked for evidence to prove their innocence, like the example, the person who killed ES, would have looked for proof that the person was framed as that would have given the person the chance to reclaim what they have lost after been framed, instead of the person ending up actually been a criminal when the person killed ES.

    As smart as HK is, she left a document stating their plain of action against YK's fiancé. She talked about how they would fabricate the information and frame him for embezzlement--that's what JE was reading. Then his mother in her moment of dementia talks about a phone call she overheard of the lies and false documents that they were going to use against the man that later killed their child. I think JE may hate her all over again when he hears that bit of information.  However, I have a feeling that SR is going to find the evidence so that she can use it against HK. So just like HK had this other document, I'm sure there are other documents too.

    SR is smart and I think she's going to do some digging. Also, this may be how she ends up marrying JE---lol!!

    This is also my opinion: SR will get enough evidence to put HK in jail, she can together with TS and JR even frame something, and she will blackmail JE into marrying her: if he doens't marry him she puts HK in jail. To me it is the only way for her to get JE.

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  10. I don’t know why HK would hate JE the moment she remembers the affair. I don’t know why she will necessarely want to “break up” with him.

    If HK stays in character (be it HK, YK2 or HK after YK2), she will soon or later pardon JE. Of course she will be enraged and re-experience every suffering from the past, it won’t be an easy path, but she will overcome it, because HK or Yk2 or YK2-HK wants to love JE.

    Yes she doesn’t know if old HK loves/loved JE after the affair, but with the memories of the affair she will get also the memories that then again she wanted/chose to keep loving JE (it is what was shown, if she came back to say to JE it’s over, this is speculation, there is no evidence to sustain it; one could easily say that she wanted to see him one last time, even at distance or she wanted to make a last effort to make him come back, or another reason).

    She wanted to love him in the past (I think that she willingly waiting for him is a sign that she was still in love with him and was prepared to keep on loving him), in spite of the affair and the suffering.

    She wants to love him in the present, in spite of: her dislike over/ repulse of cheaters; she knows he cheated on his wife; she knows he was during 4 years with SR (and contrary to us she must think that he lived in a marital way all that time [I myself think that the physical relationship didn’t last more than few months, but certainly/and logically they had sex]); she asked him directely why he cheated on his wife if he loved her; she showed him all her rage and disgust because he cheated on his wife; she knows her/his wife tried to commit suicide because of the affair/separation; she knows she is his ex-wife, and hence that he cheated on her. She wants to love him in spite of not knowing what happened with her daughter, her part in it and the consequencies of it in their marriage.

    So, imo, if HK stays in character she will noot break up with him. The more if she is this soft and compassionate new HK, with this great heart. Sure, things won’t be easy, but what I think is, now, both JE and HK have really clearly in their minds what they want: stay together, love each other. The difference between the past and the present is that both are willingly to try together, to make overtures, to be open about their true feelings, their love, pain, hatred, sufferings. Both knows now (JE) and soon (HK) what they lost.

    There is one only thing that can make a marriage or relationship rekindle and/or last: both partners wishing and having disposition to try hard and make things work. It isn’t an easy process and there will be sure many moments of pain and guilty and accusation. But if they think it is worth, they have sure a better chance to succeed. And, imo, both JE and HK (even with memory recovered) will try hard to succeed, because I believe both think this is worth.  

    So, my guess: 70% - end JE-HK; 30% both JE and HK without partner.

     

    They will never have what they had in the past because HK will never trust him. Even if he doesn't give her another reason to not doubt him, she will. Trust once lost, especially when it's due to an affair with no remorse and only cruelty. They will never recapture what they had in the past. Not saying that they won't give it a try, but the way JE left her, I still don't know why she would want him back. I don't understand at this point what she loves about him--I hope the writer gives us some insight into their love because I don't get it.

    Again, it wasn't a one night stand or an affair that just happen, he pursued SR just as SR pursued him. I've said it before, forgiving doesn't mean you have to accept them back.

    At this point, HK's love for JE isn't a balanced love. I have thought so since she tried to kill herself over him--toxic.

    Hi :)

    I think that the difference of our opinions rests in the fact that we see JE in a different light. To me, the writer has satisfactorily shown that JE is sorry, remorsefull, ashamed, feels guilty. And I see many qualities beyond JE's affair and hence reasons why she can accept him back and will keep loving him; the same way I see many flawed things in HK beyond her "betrayed wife status", which can make her feels also guilty about the whole marriage debacle.

    Sure, from pardon doens't necessarely follows acceptance (and I think that in my real life I will never acept a come back); but I'm talking about what I see as HK's characterisation and in my opinion, from the way she is depict, it will be really in character if she forgives and accepts JE back. I'm not making a moral judgement, I only think that following the way I interprets her character I see a big room for acceptance and rebuilding of trust.

    About the affair, I think I also interpret it in a different light, altough we all agree that it was (to keep it short) a sin. But I think I had already explained my way to approache it in one of my first post. But, be one night stand or pursuit, I don't think it will make difference HK (the way I read her characterisation), she will suffer the same way in any case when she get her memory back, however she will forgive and engage on a rebuilding of their marriage.

    But I understand why you don't agree with my point of view :). You can't relate to JE while I can. I need not say that I can relate to him as a character, I don't believe I will be able to relate to him if he would be a real person. Yet he isn't the only one: there are inumerous characters (almost perfect in their moral values) and very romantic heroes that I can enjoy and relates when watching or reading their stories but will never like to live with them ;):)

    We at least can agree to desagree :)

    Bye and good night. It's time to sleep here!

     

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  11. I don’t know why HK would hate JE the moment she remembers the affair. I don’t know why she will necessarely want to “break up” with him.

    If HK stays in character (be it HK, YK2 or HK after YK2), she will soon or later pardon JE. Of course she will be enraged and re-experience every suffering from the past, it won’t be an easy path, but she will overcome it, because HK or Yk2 or YK2-HK wants to love JE.

    Yes she doesn’t know if old HK loves/loved JE after the affair, but with the memories of the affair she will get also the memories that then again she wanted/chose to keep loving JE (it is what was shown, if she came back to say to JE it’s over, this is speculation, there is no evidence to sustain it; one could easily say that she wanted to see him one last time, even at distance or she wanted to make a last effort to make him come back, or another reason).

    She wanted to love him in the past (I think that she willingly waiting for him is a sign that she was still in love with him and was prepared to keep on loving him), in spite of the affair and the suffering.

    She wants to love him in the present, in spite of: her dislike over/ repulse of cheaters; she knows he cheated on his wife; she knows he was during 4 years with SR (and contrary to us she must think that he lived in a marital way all that time [I myself think that the physical relationship didn’t last more than few months, but certainly/and logically they had sex]); she asked him directely why he cheated on his wife if he loved her; she showed him all her rage and disgust because he cheated on his wife; she knows her/his wife tried to commit suicide because of the affair/separation; she knows she is his ex-wife, and hence that he cheated on her. She wants to love him in spite of not knowing what happened with her daughter, her part in it and the consequencies of it in their marriage.

    So, imo, if HK stays in character she will noot break up with him. The more if she is this soft and compassionate new HK, with this great heart. Sure, things won’t be easy, but what I think is, now, both JE and HK have really clearly in their minds what they want: stay together, love each other. The difference between the past and the present is that both are willingly to try together, to make overtures, to be open about their true feelings, their love, pain, hatred, sufferings. Both knows now (JE) and soon (HK) what they lost.

    There is one only thing that can make a marriage or relationship rekindle and/or last: both partners wishing and having disposition to try hard and make things work. It isn’t an easy process and there will be sure many moments of pain and guilty and accusation. But if they think it is worth, they have sure a better chance to succeed. And, imo, both JE and HK (even with memory recovered) will try hard to succeed, because I believe both think this is worth.  

    So, my guess: 70% - end JE-HK; 30% both JE and HK without partner.

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  12. As I thought, and I believe many of you too, the road towards a possible reunion/reconciliation/repetance/forgiving between JE and HK will be slowly through (re)communication, (re)discovering, (re)falling in love, (re)building up the relationship from the beggining. IMO, it is unlikely that this woman who is HK now will choose the path of vegeance. This is a more mature and interesting approache to deal with the matter and more important, it takes away any kind of mankjang ;) , imo.

    I think aside the building up the relationship between JE-HK in a slowly pace, what will occupy HK mind/actions will be: bring justice and protection to her twin/family; deal with her past self; deal with the lost of her daughter; take care of the Baek's children. It is already a lot. :)

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  13. There are two things that keep bothering me:

    1. Why people say HK was happy during the last 4 years?

    2. Why people say HK is in danger at the same level as YK?

    Please enlight me if I’m wrong in my interpretation and in what I remember, but from what I got:

    1. I can’t really believe in HK’s happiness. Yes she has being singing and dancing and laughing (many times she has to drink to enjoy herself). I’m not saying that she is unhappy, in special because she enjoys her work and taking care of the kids. However we had many hints that points to the fact that HK’s happiness is something to match others expectations and not really something that comes from inside. IMO, Hk’s isn’t happy because deep inside her, she feels she isn’t YK, at least not the YK she was told she was (aka BS first-love). I think that one of the most important piece of information that the author told us is the fact that, after she recoved from her accident, she left Baek’s house and went after who she was and her memories. Why that, and why without their aid? I think because she couldn’t accept that she was that YK BS told she was. She came back defeated, afraid, unsure and alone: afraid of who she was and afraid of who could be so angry towards her. IMO, at this moment in a normal situation BS and/or his dad should have taken her to a specialist. It was clear from the begining that HK/YK wanted to know who she really was, and that it wasn’t enough to her the memories BS’told her they shared in the past and how she was.

    Afraid, unsure, without family, without nobody else than Baek’s house, what choises did HK have? Just one: be the YK that BS wished/remembered (who I agree was thinking was doing the best thing to YK2– but as we say here in Brazil “the hell is full of people with good intentions”). Maybe KH’s laughed the whole day, but at night she cried almost every night. Yes, I know she was better and crying less last months, but even in this case it shows that she wasn’t happy during the four years; and her crying and nightmares are another strong reason to take HK to a specialist. And the last hint: when she said she was working hard (my words, I can’t remember the actual words) to become the YK BS remembers. Well, maybe it is only me, but I can’t see how someone can be happy when s/he has to make an effor to match someone else expectations.

    Yes, she wasn’t suffering from the memories of her lost daughter and bad husband, but happy??? ... No, I don’t think so.

    2. I can’t see why HK is in life danger from JE’s family. Until now what was showed is that FIL as well BIL don’t know that HK heard their conversation about the patent issue and so; before HK’s “death”, HK was an ally not a threaten to them, and there were no hints to them that HK could creat problems. After the accident, and with the discover that she is alive, what changes? Unless we think that HK could tell the accident wans’t an accident (but that JE already knows, and BIL knows JE knows), from their intelligency, what kind of threaten HK represents to them? I can’t see. The only people who wants to harm HK now is SR, and she knows HK is HK, and possible her old opponents in the lowcourt. The only people who I think could fear HK’s anger (from what people knows Hk knows) is JE and SR.

    Therefore, my conclusion is that in no possible way hidding HK behind YK’s can be see as the best way to protect HK. The only way to protect HK is saying to everybody that she isn’t YK.  

    More: imo, even to protect YK, the best way is to know who she really is as YK (in the case that she was really YK as BS thought). The most dangerous thing that could happen to YK was to go to the company to protest against it without knowing she was a WB. Apart from the company (excluding JE) the only person who knew she was the WB was BS (and he knew that since the begining, that is: for more than three years). And why? Why did he let she go openly there? Or BS isn’t really smart or he knew the only way to stop YK was telling her the truth. So, to me, even if I know BS is a good guy, it was him who opened the possibilities to YK2 get hurt. When a life is at risk, the more one has information, is aware of the dangers, the more they can be able to protect themselves. Maybe am I too hursh on BS? No I don’t think so, because I believe he didn’t want that something bad happened to HK or anybody else, he isn’t a bad guy, and can be really generous. But, I do think that he isn’t that smart, he is slow to make decisions and he is jealous and possessive. And, to me, in a case of life or death, that mélange hasn’t the best ingredients to protect someone’s life.

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  14. Just two things:

    First, thanks to the recapers :)

    Second, I would like to explain that I normally read here logged out, only logging in when I can't help it and have to write something lol. So I almost never click in the "like" button, 'cause I normally forget it lol. However I would like to register that I'm enjoying very much your comments and insights, and the level of the debates. Thank you very much :) .

    Bye for now.

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  15.  

    @lclarakl thank you for this wonderful analysis.  I'm with you on BS.  I'm waiting for the subs for the second part of his conversation with JE in episode 21.  BS as much as confirmed with JE that the woman they both love is the same person, HG.  The reason he is resisting JE's efforts to confirm the truth and reveal it to YK2 is his fear of YK2 not being able to handle the truth.  He is not avoiding the truth but trying to find the best way to make the reveal.  He said to YK2, that he needed time to look her in the eye and be truthful as she has always been with him(I was so touched by this confession).  IMHO the two men as such contrast- one is considerate of others and is slow to react, while the other is aggressive in his pursuit of what he wants with no consideration of others.

    I believe in the 4 years JE was with SR, he was emotionally drained.  Their relationship had reached a plateau and that was why he allowed them to live apart.  When he met YK2 his passion was suddenly ignited the way it did when he pursued HG when they were in school.  

    No. BS did not confirm that YK2 is HK. Instead, BS withheld the truth, and told JE that this time again, he'll never be able to find his wife. That JE will not find her, 

    In the face of someone else' life, and someone's else' family, is this reason valid?  "The reason he is resisting JE's efforts to confirm the truth and reveal it to YK2 is his fear of YK2 not being able to handle the truth." BS is not even 'real' family to begin with, and no thoughts to 'real' family's pain and anguish about an MIA loved one?

    It appears we have many supporters of BS and his 'can't handle the truth' stance. I see BS as equivalent to Colonel Jessup(Jack Nicholson) in this very aspect of his mindset that others are  'not able to handle the truth'. Guess what happened to the Colonel? And that there existed 'code red' which was hushed up?

    CR: Movieclips

     

    Hi,

    What I think is worst is the fact that BS is taking away HK's agency!!! Regardless of BS's motivations, what he is doing is deciding in her place. And now, there is another factor: if he could say that what he was doing was because he knows YK and therefore could decide for her, now he can't say that because he really doesn't know HK, that woman who he has in his house is someone else that he made! Besides, how could someone not be able to handle the truth that s/he has a mother alive? To protect her from the truth, it isn't necessary to tell everything, but not tell even that she has a mother?! However the main point is: it is HK who has to decide if she wants to know the truth about her or not, nobody else.

    I'm not so angry towards BS as I was before episodes 19-20 because I can feel that he is a good guy. But after episode 21 I can't accept his indecision or decision to keep quiet about HK real identity. I don't think that he is bad because of it, but I think his selfishness is winning now, and that he is the type of guy that choose to not look at the things that can "bother" or bouleverser his world, hoping that things in the future will turn good to him. So my opinion about BS is that he is weak and that his weakness can lead him to do bad things, and what I'm afraid of is that because he is like that he can be easily manipulated by SR, and I fear that she can very well manipulate BS in the future.

    Well, I'm going back o my lurking mode.

    Bye :)

     

     

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  16. Random thoughts:

    HK was a peace of work.   JE was bad because he chose to cheat.   HK also chose the life she lead at that time. 

    JE was not a trust fund baby who needed expensive things.  He could work on his own and did not need his parents approval.  JE also took care of HK becoming a lawyer.  HK did not need to work for the company to pay JE dad back.  She freely choice to work for the company and she choice the methods she used to protect the company.   Heck she explained her strategies   to the BIL after the trail.   HK desired power and wealth and used whatever methods to acquire them,    She wanted JE to have status in the company not something he was after or needed.   She was willing to push his work to the company something JE did not want.  

    HK was an uber B**h which had nothing to do with being a successfully career woman but one that uses any an all means to achieve her goals no matter who it helps or hurts.   It like people paint all  capitalist with same brush.  Being a captain of industry and being a robber baron  are two different things.  It has to do with the methods that are used. 

    An unchanged HK would make a great villain in another drama.   At the same time she was also a wife who loved her husband.   She was wronged by a a man who cheated on her.   

    That win at all cost and seek family approval may have become worst after her child death.  I think she turned more to the family because JE who she had always gotten unconditional support was turning on her.   While JE dad saw here as useful tool to further the company.   Also as said JE view of HK was  wrapped at the time.   Affair or not that marriage was withering on the vine and need either someone to renew it or it need to be cut. 

    JE is slowly coming to see what he did wrong and how he treated his wife.

    Now HK most a regain her memory and also reflect on who and how she was at that time.   Once she regains everything then maybe they can start anew or maybe they will remain apart. 

    HK  also need to grow and to do that she need to fully know who she is. 

     

    Just like the label cheater is not everything JE is. 

    The Label Executioner is not everything HK is. 

     

    Both of them can only move forward when they both can honestly and truthfully deal with the true cause behind that divorcé which is the death of thier daughter. 

    I logged in just to say how I agree with your post!!

    I can't see JE as the cheater, as I don't see HK as the "executioner". In this sense, if we exclude JE's affair and consequent behaviour towards HK, what do we have? I should say a man that has many qualities. And if we exclude HK's suffering from the affair (before accident and memory loss), what did we have? A person who I wouldn't like to cross my path with in special if I was in opposite sides, one as you said would make a wonderful vilain in another drama. When I look at it and try to see it in a very objetive way, I can't see why JE's sin is more reprehensible and has to get more suffering than all the pain HK's inflicted on others. If JE's "destroyed" HK with his behaviour, didn't HK's actions destroy many others lives? Doesn't she also deserves to be punished for her wrongdoings? I'm not saying JE didn't make somethink awfull, I'm saying that what HK did can be seen as worst than what he did.

    This is why I think that what will make the now HK/YK2 suffer more isn't JE's affair and actions, but her own cruel actions. And I think, it was because she was concious of her own actions  and knew JE very well that she understood JE's actions then and it will be because her own actions in the past (and JE's love of course) that she will forgive JE's in the present.

    I have a theory: I think that one of the themas of the drama is that of "reciprocity" - if you acted wrong towards someone, you will recieve your punishment even if it isn't from the person who you inflicted it. So, maybe I will be "bashed" here (lol), but I think that if we count the amount of pain JE and HK inflicted on others, HK has many more sins to purge/pay than JE. Therefore, my idea is that HK did begin to pay her sins through her daughter's death and JE's affair, and will pay more (because this is drama); JE did begin paying first through his daughter's death (the authour here antecipating his sin) and after that with all the suffering he is geting and will get till the end. All this, imo, is entangled in the mains themas. Save YK1 and the children, I don't think there is any innocent character here: all are flawed, all make bad choices and wrongdoings; some can be redeemed, some don't. To me then, I think HK and JE are amonsgt those who can be redeemed.

     

     

     

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  17. I totally agree with you @thegoldbug. :w00t: 

    I agree with many and do see BS as a nice guy, not a bad guy with evil intentions, in the beginning. However, I see BS evolving, and becoming not as nice, and not as innocent or considerate of others, esp ones(twins) he claims to love/have loved. In fact, I now do see him in shades of grey, turning dark if he doesn't do the right thing soon, Slack already given for I expected BS to at least have told GN the mom in ep 20 alr! And, gawk forbid, if BS were to hang on to the truths re HK and hang on to HK/YK2 till 100 years old! (ep 20... drunk or sober talk? I think sober cos BS himself told JE he couldn't get drunk no matter how much he tries to get drunk). 

    I see BS in a huge conflict now for emotional, ethical and empathetic reasons. I see consolation of some conscience in BS in recognizing his mistake in 'HK's mistaken ID as YK'. But I don't see any reason for BS' further hesitation, whether in shock or not...

    • in telling a mom who has neither twin daughters with her, and who thought one is dead while the other is somewhere outside the country whom she is waiting anxiously to meet/reunite. Esp when the daughter she thought is dead, and has been grieving over, is in fact ALIVE! A day late is UNKIND already, IMO.
    • I also don't think it's fair to HK/YK2 for being kept in the dark that she has a family - a twin sis, a niece and a mom! -  and that they are alive and looking for her! Esp when in her mind, it is a blank, and she's yearning to belong. 
    • I can understand BS not telling JE that HK/YK2 is HK due to 'his hope for reciprocation of love someday'. But what about family? Those who still think this too is to protect HK/YK2, then I'd beg 'what protection is needed here?'
    • On the contrary, this 'withholding' may place the twins in more danger, and BS already knew via YK that someone has been chasing her and trying to kill her and daughter, which was why she fled to China. 

    There really should be no hesitation with regards to revealing to immediate family members. What BS was told (by GN and YK) about not telling other people, I believe that was in reference to other peeps like other non-fam-related peeps or the general public for reasons of privacy, safety and so on. As a lawyer-in-practice, BS is smarter than that to not be able to differentiate and weigh on stuff told to him. Except when his greed or his delusional love threw him off-kilter.

    Also, why is there 'double standard' in regards to SR vs BS? Why does SR knowing something about BIL/MH and not revealing make her worse and more evil than BS knowing something about twins and GN, and not revealing? Aren't the both of them doing the same thing - withholding truths? vital truths? Aren't the both of them one-sided crushes? Aren't the both of them just as delusional for refusing to accept 'no marriage' or 'no answer to proposals' as 'NO, there is no love, just gratitude(HK), or infatuation(JE)?'

    I hope SR will have some redeeming goodness in her, like turn around to help the twins get out of danger. I like the 'initial' BS too and find him pitiful for loving someone who can't reciprocate his love. I do find BS being caught in this situation of 'mistaken ID of HK' 4 years ago, till this 'HK still has no 'love' feelings for him after 4 years' and this current time 'where HK has fallen for JE again' as pointing to one thing - their fate, or to be specific, ill-fate, if one believes in such a notion as 'fate'. 

    HK and YK.. FIGHTING! Hope you two will reunite soonest possible, and take on the task of reclaiming your rightful heirship! And hopefully finding your love and happiness as well.

    Btw, I too think it is ridiculous for JE to still be calling HK his wife. (unless it is a common practice in SK, like some divorced couples would still address each other as 'yeobos' (it's true with a couple of my D-friends, and we do see this happen in other kdramas), OR there will be a surprise from writernim, that the divorce didn't go through the final process of finalization. Which can happen...I think (see spoilers)...

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    I'm one of those who warmed up towards BS due to the last two episodes.

    I think that it is still natural/humain that he exitates without seeing him as acting in a "evil way". It can be seeing as a mistake, something that can hurt others, but not necessary an evil action. Sure humain feelings/emotions are working inside him, as his selfish impulse, but I think that he is still in time - imo - to give him a "chance". I'm willing to give him a chance mostly because what he said to JE: he want to get drunk to amass courage to tell something. I took it as he wanting to have courage to tell HK and JE the truth about HK. I'm waiting for the next week episode and, if it take too long, then it will dificult to excuse him.

    Why is he different from SR? IMO, there is a capital difference: from what I could see in those episodes, BS has a moral compass and SR not. BS can be selfish, but he is able to feel guilty, he can see his wrongdoing; he can choose remain through his bad path, but I think once he sees his errors he can understand it as an error (even if he keeps doing it!). More: I think that BS is more reacting at the situation and info (about twins) than acting upon it. Instead, SR is acting upon it  - maybe a too subtil difference for at the end of the day it will hurt other people. But I think that those differences make us willing to still consider BS as able to be saved and SR not. To me she is a psychopath.

    So, I see SR as a vilain and BS as a good guy who can let his selfishness pushs him to act in a bad way.

    I'm waiting then to see BS's next move to have a more definitive idea about him :) 

     

    Hang on chingu .... Nowhere did I say BS is evil or acting in evil ways or his actions as evil actions. Please see the highlighted. I was only trying to ask why is SR evil when she does this and BS not when he does the same. And this being 'withholding truth'. I do not disagree about moral compass between SR and BS, and that was not what I referred to at all.

    Why would I root for SR at all? esp pertaining to moral compass when we all know she has very little to none. She coveted someone's husband and still has no remorse for now. SR would be the last person/character I would root for. esp...

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    But I do hope no matter how evil and delusional SR is now, that she will wake up and effect a change in direction from being badder. I don't know about SR being a psychopath. I won't go so far as to term her as such. For now I don't see psychotic behavior in SR yet. Not that I'd know any better, since I'm not in the medical field. LOL.

    My point is....SR after all, is just as blinded in love as BS is. In her case with JE, at least she was 4 years ago given a promise by JE to 'walk together till the end of the road, wherever it may lead'. Whereas for BS, no such promise was forthcoming from HK/YK2, mostly rejection or silence when he proposed, not to mention the fact that she is still amnesic, she still doesn't know who she is and where she came from.  Although in SR's case, being without a moral compass, she is a tougher case to salvage. Just IMO.

    Anyway, it was mainly the double standard as far as withholding truth (and the other two factors being the same) is concerned. And also, I stated 'if BS doesn't do the right thing soon... meaning, there's still slack for him to act if he will soon. Like you, I'm also waiting on BS to do the right thing soon. :) 

    HK Fighting! YK Fighting! This Sisterhood Shipper looks out for you two! Please overcome all your obstacles and be happy!

    Hi,

    Sorry if it seems that I misunderstood you in my reply to you. I had comprehended that you don't see BS as "bad". In fact, in my reply, I was trying to convey why I have "doublestandard" towards BS and RS, as you pointed out and I confess I could have. I can only explain why I could have it from the feeling that there are a difference of levels: I agree with you that their actions in hidding will hurt a lot others, regardless their motivations or active/reactive atitudes. But I still think that the motivations and their levels of intensity are different. Maybe I'm not being rational in what I'm saying, but I think that metaphoricaly I can see that while SR has already activily decided to hid, BS is still in "pause mode": he is still deciding what to do. In this sense, I'm not looking at it from the point of view of their victims, but from the point of view the way I see their levels of motivation. Maybe my effort too explain it is too confused?!?

    So, maybe the use of the "evil" word was a bad choise, but that was the word which came first to me. I really tried to make it more soft using the "", but I failed. Any way, what I wanted to say is, to me there is a difference between the two: while I see from the beggining SR walking towards the path to "the dark side" in a linear and constant movement; with BS I see him walking others directions, he comes close but he can turn back. So this is why I see SR as "vilain" (I know this is too onedimentional, but I'm using it here consciously as an allegory) and BS as capable to act in a "vilanous" way, as I think it is the case in regards to him hidding the preganancy/baby fact to YK2. And yes, I can't see how SR can be "saved", right now. Maybe her future actions can show another path, but till now I can't see how it could be.

    At the end, perhaps I'm being more confusing than anything :) .

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  18. I totally agree with you @thegoldbug. :w00t: 

    I agree with many and do see BS as a nice guy, not a bad guy with evil intentions, in the beginning. However, I see BS evolving, and becoming not as nice, and not as innocent or considerate of others, esp ones(twins) he claims to love/have loved. In fact, I now do see him in shades of grey, turning dark if he doesn't do the right thing soon, Slack already given for I expected BS to at least have told GN the mom in ep 20 alr! And, gawk forbid, if BS were to hang on to the truths re HK and hang on to HK/YK2 till 100 years old! (ep 20... drunk or sober talk? I think sober cos BS himself told JE he couldn't get drunk no matter how much he tries to get drunk). 

    I see BS in a huge conflict now for emotional, ethical and empathetic reasons. I see consolation of some conscience in BS in recognizing his mistake in 'HK's mistaken ID as YK'. But I don't see any reason for BS' further hesitation, whether in shock or not...

    • in telling a mom who has neither twin daughters with her, and who thought one is dead while the other is somewhere outside the country whom she is waiting anxiously to meet/reunite. Esp when the daughter she thought is dead, and has been grieving over, is in fact ALIVE! A day late is UNKIND already, IMO.
    • I also don't think it's fair to HK/YK2 for being kept in the dark that she has a family - a twin sis, a niece and a mom! -  and that they are alive and looking for her! Esp when in her mind, it is a blank, and she's yearning to belong. 
    • I can understand BS not telling JE that HK/YK2 is HK due to 'his hope for reciprocation of love someday'. But what about family? Those who still think this too is to protect HK/YK2, then I'd beg 'what protection is needed here?'
    • On the contrary, this 'withholding' may place the twins in more danger, and BS already knew via YK that someone has been chasing her and trying to kill her and daughter, which was why she fled to China. 

    There really should be no hesitation with regards to revealing to immediate family members. What BS was told (by GN and YK) about not telling other people, I believe that was in reference to other peeps like other non-fam-related peeps or the general public for reasons of privacy, safety and so on. As a lawyer-in-practice, BS is smarter than that to not be able to differentiate and weigh on stuff told to him. Except when his greed or his delusional love threw him off-kilter.

    Also, why is there 'double standard' in regards to SR vs BS? Why does SR knowing something about BIL/MH and not revealing make her worse and more evil than BS knowing something about twins and GN, and not revealing? Aren't the both of them doing the same thing - withholding truths? vital truths? Aren't the both of them one-sided crushes? Aren't the both of them just as delusional for refusing to accept 'no marriage' or 'no answer to proposals' as 'NO, there is no love, just gratitude(HK), or infatuation(JE)?'

    I hope SR will have some redeeming goodness in her, like turn around to help the twins get out of danger. I like the 'initial' BS too and find him pitiful for loving someone who can't reciprocate his love. I do find BS being caught in this situation of 'mistaken ID of HK' 4 years ago, till this 'HK still has no 'love' feelings for him after 4 years' and this current time 'where HK has fallen for JE again' as pointing to one thing - their fate, or to be specific, ill-fate, if one believes in such a notion as 'fate'. 

    HK and YK.. FIGHTING! Hope you two will reunite soonest possible, and take on the task of reclaiming your rightful heirship! And hopefully finding your love and happiness as well.

    Btw, I too think it is ridiculous for JE to still be calling HK his wife. (unless it is a common practice in SK, like some divorced couples would still address each other as 'yeobos' (it's true with a couple of my D-friends, and we do see this happen in other kdramas), OR there will be a surprise from writernim, that the divorce didn't go through the final process of finalization. Which can happen...I think (see spoilers)...

    Hidden Content

     

    I'm one of those who warmed up towards BS due to the last two episodes.

    I think that it is still natural/humain that he exitates without seeing him as acting in a "evil way". It can be seeing as a mistake, something that can hurt others, but not necessary an evil action. Sure humain feelings/emotions are working inside him, as his selfish impulse, but I think that he is still in time - imo - to give him a "chance". I'm willing to give him a chance mostly because what he said to JE: he want to get drunk to amass courage to tell something. I took it as he wanting to have courage to tell HK and JE the truth about HK. I'm waiting for the next week episode and, if it take too long, then it will dificult to excuse him.

    Why is he different from SR? IMO, there is a capital difference: from what I could see in those episodes, BS has a moral compass and SR not. BS can be selfish, but he is able to feel guilty, he can see his wrongdoing; he can choose remain through his bad path, but I think once he sees his errors he can understand it as an error (even if he keeps doing it!). More: I think that BS is more reacting at the situation and info (about twins) than acting upon it. Instead, SR is acting upon it  - maybe a too subtil difference for at the end of the day it will hurt other people. But I think that those differences make us willing to still consider BS as able to be saved and SR not. To me she is a psychopath.

    So, I see SR as a vilain and BS as a good guy who can let his selfishness pushs him to act in a bad way.

    I'm waiting then to see BS's next move to have a more definitive idea about him :) 

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  19. iI like the end of ep.20..

    i like the way how JE can think of taking away the jar of urn of HK; just to make sure of his gut feeling that maybe nothing inside( DHK didn't die) and BINGO it's empty......

    JUST MY 2 CENT 

    Why in the end of ep.20 HK go the office of JE......SHE WILL AGREE TO THE PROPOSAL OF JE'S to bring back her memory. JE ask her; to recover her memory.

    I think that JE will see HK as the real HK for the very first time. Now he is sure his wife is not dead. He probably  thinks she is there to agree to let him help with her memory or maybe it's their lunch date...lol  But I think HK is their to tell him he is going to be by BS's side. BS's dad made her feel guilty and now HK feels that she can't hurt that family and BS. After all they saved her life.

    Question?......Will HK see the urn on the desk? Will JE tell her that she is the real HK? Most importantly.... if indeed HK is going to tell JE that she going to be by BS's side will JE let her or will BS tell her the truth of what he knows about her and her twin. If that is the case and he continues to keep his mouth shut,  I will be very disappointed with BS.

      Saying this last part just as as joke.....Does my comment count as 2 or 3 cents?  LOL

    If that is the case, then I guess it'll again be Jin-eon's turn to follow Yong-gi2... :))

    But, why would HK go to JE to say that? At the moment, JE isn't chasing her, on the contrary we can say that he "broke up" with her. He even said to her to go back to her lighthouse. The only thing that he offered her was to help find her memory. So, if the writer keeps the logic, HK went there to say she accepts his proposal of aid, or to say I can't give up on you, or to say "I don't need your bodyguard" or still "say to your sister to live me alone". I can't see why she would go there to say "I'm sorry but I will stay with BS".

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  20. After watched ep 19 100% subbed and 20 at 89%, I can say: wow what a writing!!!! I think the pace is fatastic for a 50 eps drama! It doesn't feel like 50, but It feel like 20. And that makes me dread if the writer will be able to keep the pace and the inteligent unfolding of the story. Hope yes!.

    What I'm amazing at her writing is the fact that in some episodes she makes us (at least me) be really annoyed or angry with a character and two episodes later makes us willing to comprehend and cheer him/her up, and otherwise. The only invariable feeling is towards is SR. Another thing: the way she unvails the characters motivations and personalities through a third party is amazing. In ep 20 she did it through JE's mother and YK.

    What I can say about those episodes, and specialy 20:

    1. BS - I think the character is making a u turn. He lets HK follow her heart. He knows about the twins, but in my opinion, on the one hand he is still confused of what to do; on the other hand twin's mother and YK asked for his silence; lastly, it is very difficult to him to say it: he knows what he has to do, but he is afraid of the consequences (yeah lost any chance with HK), but I think this is really humain to exitate in this situation (but can't take long). And from what YK said, BS have being always a kind guy. He has made mistakes (some very very huge - as the YK's "lost" baby), but he is a guy with a good nature, who has also his flaws. I hope he won't desapoint me in the future.

    2. JE - well from ep 19 we are told that JE passed three or 4 days without eating or what else, only mourning HK in front of her "grave". I know that due the pace of the drama it doesn't feel like much time, but imo it is. I think the writer made a choise here: filling the drama with many scenes of JE's sorrow and then responding to those amongst us who want to see JE's suffering, and therefore sacrificing the pace of the show; or, in a economic way with few scenes showing his suffering and in this way giving us enough information about JE's suffering and love without wasting much time. I have to say that I'm glad she chose the latter. I love shows who can conveying in few scenes its message (at least to me it was enough!). Furthermore in ep 20 we was told: a) that JE's supported HK's in her college days in many ways, he was not only her lover but her "protector", really taking care of her; b ) his intuition says she is HK, and he is afraid to even look at her - I think it won't take long now to him to be sure she is HK. And it is now clear that JE will do everything to uncover the thruth. 

    3. HK - I will only say: wow she is paying every sin that she commited while being the ruthless lawyer. Poor HK!!! Her journay is like a purgatory.

    4. SR - turned evil without redemption. And she thinks that she will register the marriage!!!???!!! Psycho!! To SR it is against her better interest that JE's mother is with dementia. Right know she is her only help, and if she has dementia she won't even know who SR is!!. I don't think she is willing to help her purely out of compassion, but out of despair.

    Really appreciating the actors work. Both main actors are amazing :) 

    Too many words already. Bye ;) 

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  21. @ninaanin:---- I had to "Google" to see the role LGH played in "my lovely Sam Soon". I loved that drama (as did LOTS of people). Your comment , especially the references to so many negative comments in Viki, make me think once more about the importance of good looks for all who would work on stage or in front of the camera in the visual arts.

      IMO ---- We want the actors to be the most beautiful, most handsome, "best looking examples of men and women", do we not?   Why is that? I've thought about that a lot over the years. We want them to represent our idealised self, I think.

    Average looking people are fine in a documentary.  We know full well that "looks aren't everything" in real life.

    SPOILER --- Random thoughts on same topic --- OK to Skip--- You've been warned!

     

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    It wasn't me, it was @elzbth . I'm a little ashamed to say but I didn't even watched My Lovely Sam Soon ^_^:) 

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    I'm happy I can see BS in a better light, it will make things more complicated and more interesting, 'cause a flawed character is more complex and layered than a evil character, and BS beeing good, selfish, not selfish, feeling guilty, sorrow and willing to help people is better to watch and related to than BS in the dark side ;).

    If BS doesn't let his selfshness win over his goodness, it will make things more interesting, and we will can see two flawed and good guys helpind the twins. I don't think we have to hate one to love the other: we can appreciate and cheer both flawed characters - in dfferents ways, provide that neither turns to the dark side. :) 

     

    @ninaanin, I had a bias against LGH since watching My Name is Kim Sam Soon.  Seeing all the hate hurled at him in the Viki comments kinda made me feel guilty.  The character is goofy and kind, which LGH has played to the T.  I now find myself trying to remember exactly what BS knows and see his perspective in a kinder light.  The only person he has hurt is JE but he did it to protect YK2.  It did turn out well because JE is now on a mission to uncover the truth.

    I still think that he acteded wrong in not going after what happened with YK' baby and in not informing her she was pregnant, 'cause if he was right and that was really YK, he knew she was in an advanced stage of pregnancy. So, in fact he is luck HK wasn't YK, for if she was he would have hurt her badly. But, as I said, I'm willing to give BS a chance (lol), it depends on his behaviour in nexts episodes (I still didn't watched ep 20, only read the recaps, and I can only judge properly after the subs are completely).

    BTW, thanks recapers!!!! :)  

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  23. Here are my two pennies: I still have faith in BS to do what is right for HG.  He redeemed himself when he allowed YK2 to choose between JE and him.  That made me see him in a different light and his actions clearly contrasted between SR and him.  I believe he is a simple man like his Father.  So far his reactions to JE have been justifiable as he believes JE is a player and he is targeting YK2 only because she looks like his ex-wife.

    I know I've been annoyed by BS's consistent marriage proposal but I do not believe BS deliberately hid YK's past from HG for his own selfish reasons.  He may think YK2/HG was all bloody because she tried to kill herself and her amnesia is a result of her not wanting to face the past.  I give him kudos for changing HG into YK2.  HG while she lived as YK2 was a happy and giving person. 

    This drama is getting to be a tangled web.  Who knows what and who think they know the truth but are actually lies, who is lying about what they know and what they don’t know???  Hope this does not expose loopholes in the story line later on.  I sympathize with BS and his father.  Both are acting with good intentions towards YK2. 

     

     

    Yes, this is also my taken now. I was verry very annoyed with BS's pushing behaviour and was disliking him. But now after what he said to HK, imo too, he had redeemed himself in regards his pushing ways. Yeah, he could have done that before, but at least he did it and, I think, it was still in time. I'm glad he did it :) . To me, in this ep - 19 BS appeared in a more sympathetic light. I'm waiting to know what he will do now about HK and YK twins issue. I'm not sure, because the sub wasn't completed, but it seems that the mother asked him not to tell anyone about the twins. I'm willing to give a credit to BS and hope that his silence could be to answer the mother's request. Maybe not the best decision, but at least it isn't a pure selfish one.

    I'm happy I can see BS in a better light, it will make things more complicated and more interesting, 'cause a flawed character is more complex and layered than a evil character, and BS beeing good, selfish, not selfish, feeling guilty, sorrow and willing to help people is better to watch and related to than BS in the dark side ;).

    If BS doesn't let his selfshness win over his goodness, it will make things more interesting, and we will can see two flawed and good guys helpind the twins. I don't think we have to hate one to love the other: we can appreciate and cheer both flawed characters - in dfferents ways, provide that neither turns to the dark side. :) 

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  24. Now the drama starts to entangle but corners up JE once again unable him to see the truth. He truly believes HK's dead and starts mean towards YK2. I'm so sad for YK2 when she was crying painfully behind JE when he confessed his wrong and urged HK to call him "honey" in front of HK's mom's home. :( :(  :( 

    I'm not that sorry...coz it was another one in a row of his proof how much he love HK don't you think?

    I said i would go...why won't you let me guys ottokeeeeeeeeeeeee 

    I think that JE's reactions is completely natural, and I would think it weird if he reacts in another way.

    Right now, he is full of guilty and pain, not only because her assumed death, but because he is seeing hinself as a mosnter.

    Furthermore, if we fallow JE"s heart path and the way JE's is looking back into his past, it becomes still more understandable:

    1. He loves HE, but that love turns in hatred;

    2. After rupture, his heart is in numbness state;

    3. Back to Korea, he encouters that HK who shakes again his heart, and falls in love again (or wakes up his love);

    4. The whole time that woman to him is HK: he sees HK in her, and projects all his love feelings and memories on her (I'm assuming here that he believes now she isn't HK);

    5. That woman said she wasn't HK, said he was shaking her life, had begged to him to stay away; that woman "has" a man who many times said she is my wife. In this sense, he can be now be full of guilty towards YK2 and BS.

    6. Making a confusion between HK and YK2 in this mourning moment can also arise a feeling in him that again he betrayed HK, who is dead, and who died because of him, because he is a monster in his own eyes.

    So, I think completely understandable that he is ignoring YK2, or better saying avoinding her. The news of HK's death is too fresh to him to approach someone who likes exactly as the woman he loves and now is dead.

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