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20 hours ago, cdcotr said:
If the end game was SY, that's ok, fair enough, but they failed in the execution. Failed spectacularly.
It is hard to care for a character that had so little screen time, and unknown.
The mystery might have pulled viewers in at first, but at some point, the curtains must be pulled open to reveal who she really is.
I have something to add on this. Some thought that people who are unhappy about the KSY endgame disliked or even hated KSY character, while this may be true for some or to a certain extent, I think they are missing the point here that it is not mainly the character that have people unhappy about, it is actually in the way the story is told about her. It is like a love story where one party ends up with a stranger and the other party suffered an amnesia and whatever transpired over the bulk of the episodes is as good as a dream that JBH had when he's in vegetative state.
On KSY character, putting aside the moral argument on how she has chose to deal with her problems, I also have problems reconciling the KSY character in the show. Version 1 is the one we saw in the beginning, the bitter destined highness who has no qualms to have others flog even if it was done in a bid to escape her situation and a obviously ineffective one at that. Version 2 is the progressive and magnanimous one we have seen at the ending. Even if we accept that she has a 180 degree change in personality after going through BH's experience as a backseat passenger, then doesn't it also look as if her whole persona, kind or cruel hinges exclusively on the king's affections for her and this kind of reminds me of the reason HJ turns bad in the first place, only HJ was unfortunate enough to have the king's untimely change of heart and so ended up having to 'find herself' out of the palace. I mean, if you to really deeply digest the message of the drama, there are things that bound to feel inconsistent putting aside its moral legitimacy. Tbh I had rather they have not shown the side of KSY showing some traits of BH be it because she somehow assimilated some parts of BH due to the body swap or she already actually possess similarities with BH before the body swap. It just enhances the whole afterthought feel of the KSY endgame.
Anyway I just need to keep in mind what KJH said about not paying too much attention to the message the drama is trying to convey and just laugh along with it.
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Here's another review that I identify with from https://seoulbeats.com/2021/02/mr-queen-funny-at-face-value/ (copy and paste under the spoiler tag for reading convenience). Tbh in years to come I probably wouldn't really remember the story details of Mr Queen but I will never forget the sizzling chemistry of KJH/SHS. In my limited and subjective world view I don't know any onscreen couple that moved me as much as our royal couple do. Not even BinJin, Brangelina who went on to date in real life.. To nurse my post Mr Queen syndrome, much appreciated if anyone can suggest any onscreen couple who come close for my next drama watching project
Mr. Queen: Funny at Face Value
SpoilerLast week brought a conclusion to Mr. Queen, which grew steadily in viewership ratings and even inspired a spin-off series and acclaim for the cast. Touted as a fusion-historical drama, Mr. Queen’s take has a modern-day man whose soul is planted into the body of a Joseon dynasty queen. The drama’s humour is effortlessly carried by the acting and chemistry of the actors and makes for a funny and enthralling watch. The mixed-gender situation, however, does raise questions in its efforts to avoid a homosexual relationship between the leads. Overall, Mr. Queen is an amusing drama sparkling with charm, as long as viewers are unwilling to dig deeper.
Mr. Queen takes place in the high-stakes royal palace during the Joseon dynasty, where a modern-day chef Jang Bong-hwan(Choi Jin-hyuk), finds himself in the body of Queen-to-be Kim So-yong (Shin Hye-sun). So-bong* – a mix of Bong-hwan and So-yong’s names – is left to navigate court politics while adjusting to their new female body. The King (Kim Jung-hyun), referred to as Cheol-jong by So-bong, seems disinterested in both his wife-to-be as well as the matters of Joseon though secrets are unearthed as the plot progresses. Extra excitement is provided by family clans fighting for political control as well as some unrequited love from So-yong’s adopted cousin Kim Byeong-in (Na In-woo) and royal concubine Jo Hwa-jin (Seol In-ah).
This review contains spoilers
Despite being a historical drama with a fair bit of action, Mr. Queen’s strengths lie in its comic moments. For example, So-bong makes Joseon’s first instant noodles, Samhyang ramen, a play-on words on South Korea’s actual first ramen, Samyang ramen. Indeed, much of the gags revolve around contrasting So-bong’s modern-day vocabulary, outlook, and cooking skills with the Joseon palace setting.
However, the funny moments are carried by the stellar acting from the two leads as well as the supporting cast. So-bong and Cheol-jong are both characters with dual personalities, and Shin Hye-sun and Kim Jung-hyun play them convincingly. Shin especially deserves accolades for her ability to pull off a disgruntled, 21st century playboy who finds himself stuck in a woman’s body during the Joseon dynasty. Her portrayal of So-bong and their antics is easily one of the most entertaining factors in the drama. Her counterpart, Kim, is not overshadowed as he seamlessly switches between his comedic and charismatic moments in his portrayal of the seemingly naive but secretly driven Cheol-jong. So-bong and Cheol-jong, both leading dual lives, lead the show with their chemistry throughout the progression of their relationship.Aside from the two leads, Court Lady Choi (Cha Chung-hwa) and Hong-yeon (Chae Seo-eun) deserve a special mention as well. They are So-bong’s dedicated and loyal friends and servants, and Court Lady Choi and Hong-yeon are left to dash after So-bong as they run amok and wreak havoc on the delicate palace politics. Court Lady Choi always gets a snarky word in no matter how much So-bong drives her crazy, and her comedic timing along with her endless range of expressions are impeccable. The friendship between the three is a highlight of the drama itself, with a compilation of their scenes together racking up almost three million views on YouTube.
The charm of the cast is undeniable, but Mr. Queen’s faults lie in its most innovative and important plot ingredient: Bong-hwan’s occupation of So-yong’s body. The situation is hard to define as a true gender swap, as So-yong’s own soul still resides inside her own body. As a result, the romance between the protagonists cannot be labelled simply as a relationship between two cisgender, heteronormative individuals. Upon a closer look, however, any possible queer interpretations of the romance are shut down as Mr. Queen goes to great lengths to establish So-bong and Cheol-jong’s relationship as a heteronormative one.South Korean society is not queer-friendly and representation of LGBTQIA+ people, and good representation at that, in Korean dramas, is hard to find. Mr. Queen takes efforts in order to avoid the love-line being labelled as a homosexual relationship. To justify So-bong’s attraction to Cheol-jong, a plot point earlier in the drama makes it clear that So-yong’s soul is still left in the body. As So-yong’s memories and feelings for Cheol-jong exist alongside Bong-hwan’s soul, So-bong’s attraction to Cheol-jong can avoid being labelled as homosexual. So-bong also self-justifies their feelings as remnants of So-yong’s, and when they sleep together So-bong does so under the impression that they are sleeping with Hong-yeon. The mixed-gender mind in a woman’s body means that the drama also contains no queer physically affectionate scenes.
In contrast to So-bong’s inner turmoil, Cheol-jong has no idea that a man’s soul is occupying the body of So-yong. Of course, he notices that her entire personality has changed, marking the start of his changing feelings for her. As the shift in his feelings starts after So-yong becomes So-bong, the defining feature of his attraction seems to be Bong-hwan’s soul. However, he does note So-bong as being a little strange and very unconventional, but Cheol-jong does not necessarily denote her as masculine. To him, his wife is a woman through and through. Once So-yong is revealed to play an important role in Cheol-jong’s past, it comes to light that she is the woman that he has loved since childhood. Even before So-bong came to be, Cheol-jong’s true love was always So-yong, and Bong-hwan’s soul was just the catalyst in their realization. This reveal also explains how Cheol-jong continues to love So-yong even when So-bong is no more.The drama’s refusal to accept a romance between an individual whose gender doesn’t conform to conventional distinctions and a man who is attracted to them feels contradictory to the drama’s biggest strength: the chemistry between So-bong and Cheol-jong. Not So-yong and Cheol-jong Mr. Queen does conclude on a satisfactory note with So-yong and Bong-hwan reunited with their own bodies, though a question remains. Now that Bong-hwan is back in his own body, what is the nature of his feelings for the king?
Mr. Queen is funny and engaging, if only at face value. Outstanding acting and chemistry ensure that the drama is solid throughout its run, though raising questions about the gender situation is bound to end in more questions. Mr. Queen is far from being a provocative take on heteronormativity nor is it educational about the Joseon dynasty, but the drama is still unconventional and succeeds at being endlessly amusing until the end.
*So-bong is referred to using they/them pronouns
(BBC, Seoul daily, YouTube, images via tvN)
Tags: Drama Review, Kim Jung-hyun, Mr Queen,
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41 minutes ago, Sandy Prater said:
Even if it was a web-drama, we're talking about a country that censors internet content to the degree that they have banned the site Archive of Our Own due to fan-instigated controversy. You're right in that no ending could please anyone, but I think a lot of people are mad because it seemed like a misdirection or, at the very least, the ending did not align with the projected intent of the rest of the episodes. I see a lot of people making comparisons to the GOT finale as well. Fans can usually put up with endings which don't turn out the way they might like but it's a harder pill to swallow to see a narrative twist like this.
Speaking of the historical aspect...did you catch that in the book Bong H was reading, it still listed CJ's reign lasting until his death at 32? I think there's a good chance it might have been that they just pasted the drama portrait into a real book, but I can't read Korean so couldn't decipher what was written to see if the page was created by the production and they just kept to his natural lifetime or if the information there was a summary of the real CJ. Someone else mentioned their child dying at 6 months as well...but again, I don't know if they got it from that page or were just relating real historical facts. The baby dying made me really sad since I viewed it as SB/CJ's child. Either way, with CJ's death date being visible in the drama, it pretty much makes it canon. Perhaps it's for the best that Bong went back as if he was ever given a choice to stay and did, it would have been for CJ and his child, the absence of which might have made him regret it.
1. Can HB and SY be reincarnations of each other? Would that even be possible considering that some are saying that both souls occupied the same body? If it's the same soul, wouldn't only the memories be shared? I'm not sure how reincarnation works, so I'm a bit confused on this point. If this is the case, it makes the ending more coherent to me as to why the king so easily transferred his affections and without questioning the changes...like it still IS his queen. Makes me hate SY less as well because having her credited for the deeds of a reincarnated version of herself sits better with me than a completely different person.
2. I think BI and HWJ's storylines are more than just plot devices but are used to prep audiences for the finale. BI's dying statement was that he knew SY better than anyone yet questioned why he couldn't tell the difference between her and SB. Also, when realizing HWJ lied, CJ stated that perhaps it is better to stick with the lie than to reveal a truth no one wants to know. I can't help but feel these are relevant and have a deeper meaning. Looking at how CJ is completely ignoring the fact that the queen has changed so drastically, I wonder if this theme of self-constructed obliviousness in order to maintain happiness is what is going on.
3. Any thoughts on whether or not there could possibly be a Mr. Queen Season 2? I think not as there was a sense of finality about it (even though they left the door wide open with several plot elements such as the unresolved love triangle between Kwan/Hong/Yeon, the king discovering the change in the queen, the book showing that CJ dies at an early age, and none of the main bad guys being killed). Saw a translated IG live with Kim Jung Hyun where a fan asked him that question and his answer was that it wasn't his call to make...which had me giddy at even the chance that he'd be up for it if they offered.
Yeah let's see the narrative twist that put people off:
1. We were led to believe SY is gone for sure and then the end beyond imagination that the production team has given us was peekaboo here i am right at the end. Poor BI served as plot device to tell us that SY is there just because SB has her memories and a uneffective one..
2. The disconnect between villainess mode KSY before she jumps into the lake and then the progressive, magnanimous version after she got her body back at the end. Though one might argue that she has changed for the better after going through BH's experiences and memories but then again we didn't really know she was there until we were told so right at the end haha..
3. The disdain that why a person who have chosen to give up rather than to fight get to enjoy the fruits of labor of someone else with the ending painting her in a protagonist light. This might give a problematic message that suicide may eventually bring about a good end.
3. back to the future BH doesn't look like the BH who has gone through all that romancing with the king.. it's as if all that long awaited sober SB king kiss scene at the rebellion part didn't happen. BH suddenly became king's buddy from the future.
4. king supposed to know sobong best but he wasn't as taken aback at the change of personality as what we would have expect. didn't he ask sobong to be his rough usual self when he tried to be the perfect queen.. or the part when he said he'll never confuse SB/SY for someone else ring so hollow now..
Or in other words..
Ep 1-19: SY gone. SB and King main couple
Ep 20: SY and King main couple. BH and King was actually Joseon saviour buddies..
If what you say is true about the drama alignment to CJ's early death, then I would also be one of those who rather not see BH stranded in Joseon seeing his king and child die regardless of how much narrative value there is. Haha..
Even if there's no season 2, I have to thank this drama for giving me so much inspiration to write my own season 2 to get over the ending.
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@Sandy Prater I could be wrong but GPG is a web drama which was why it could be more liberal in its portrayal. There were alternate endings made, not sure if it was made to appease unhappy viewers. In any case, it seems challenging for this sort of story to have an ending that pleases everyone.. especially also since this story features historical figures. I love this revisionist what-if version of a historical puppet king but it didn't sit down well with historical pundits or nationalists..
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@N. S. yeah that would simplify things a little bit more. Although I wouldn't argue that the girl power spirit has been largely brought about by BH's modern viewpoint but were it been a girl instead then there wouldn't even be a question of whether if it was because a man is needed to give the impetus towards realizing her girl power. Also arguably this would have given the production team a bit more latitude to give a sobong-king endgame.
Then again a lot of us gravitated towards this show in the first place because of its complexity. It would have changed the flavor tremendously have BH character been a girl. I think the interesting central premise of the show is what happens when a carefree modern man finds himself becoming a woman (and not just any woman) in suffocating joseon.
I was just thinking about this. If BH must return to the future, will I prefer if the king accepts KSY in spite of the changes or shunning KSY because of the changes, then maybe I would prefer the ending to remain as is. Imagine if KSY were to sit the king down and explain about the whole timeslip soul changing affair and then king goes away awkward and missing BH when she's technically pregnant with his baby (or worse, suffers a miscarriage in line with what reality would have been). To reach the resolution for KSY character development to first accept king loving BH to winning the king's affections based on her own merit would be a subject that warrant x amount more episodes (but this will give bandwidth to see more of BH's alternate universe that has been influenced by the CJ the great reformer king rather than CJ the puppet king)
Or have the CJ-win-Joseon-back-BH-back-to-the-future sequence earlier in the episodes so that we can see KSY development, how king cope with BH to SY transition and BH's alternate universe in the later part of the drama. Or have KSY character developed more directly and obviously (instead of the very subtle debatable way it currently is) throughout the episodes instead of pulling a surprise "guess-what-she's-there-all-along" at the end.
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Hello all, it's day 5 post Mr Queen! here's a little something to sooth our Mr Queen withdrawal symptoms..
Because I can't wait for the proper sub version, I found this translation credit to erisintrouble in Instagram:
It's rather long, so I'll put it in a spoiler. Parts highlighted in yellow
the only thing that can distract our workaholic king from his mission..
Spoiler(soyong loses her way home)
-there is not a single person here, whom do i ask the way? (cows mooing in the bg) whats wrong with them now? are they angry because i milked their mother cow earlier?
(cheoljong is roaming around looking for soyong)
-im sure she is fine, she is not someone one can take advantage of. on the contrary she might cause some trouble and that worries me. she could use some techniques (if she is in danger) and earlier she ran away without making any sound, so im sure that she...
(hwan is narrating his feelings to special director hong in the background) when i dont see her, i miss her dearly and cannot help worrying about her. i lose focus in everything
(cheoljong runs back to look for soyong)
she doesnt even know the way back home, gosh! i dont have time for this
hwan: i should not be like this considering my family and my circumstances, i really should be doing this. but the more i think about it, the more i fall in deeper.
(people making a fuss in front of the lake)
CJ: listen, what happened?
-someone fell into the lake
CJ:my queen!
(CJ jumps into the water to save her person)
bystanders: thank goodness, he's coming out with the person
CJ: how could you try to end your life as if it means nothing? do you not have the courage to live? (notices that the person whom he saved was not the queen) who are you?
(watches soyong passing by)
CJ: wait for me.
SY: hold up
CJ: queen
SY: i see youre working hard, get back to it then!
CJ: what work..?
SY: lets go
CJ: where are you going?
CJ to the one he saved: what is it?
-you are my saviour
CJ: QUEEEEEEEN!!!!!!
SY: he said that we will be in disguise, why is he creating a fuss screaming 'queen' among that many people? he really wants to show off that he is the king. this seems like a taxi btw, life really becomes easier if you have money no matter what era you live in. how comfortable! lets move quick!SY's father: its getting late, why is the king not here yet?
(sees CJ walk into the house and doesnt recognise him)
hey you! how dare you walk in here...? your majesty? why are you wet?
CJ: is the queen here yet?
- yes, she came in a while ago
CJ: right, its a relief. i'll be sleeping in a different quarter then.
-he really has a peculiar taste in clothing. btw, they escaped together without letting anyone know but why did they come back separately? did they fight?-
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@cenching Well, it wasn't much but the drama did got us guessing if it was SY or BH there making out with the king.. yeah still agree it's lame.. the way they have executed the drama makes KSY endgame felt like an afterthought rather than planned from the beginning. Having a prequel kinda make the story gap look even more obvious to me although I do enjoy the comedic and lovey dovey parts of it
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@cdcotr Unfortunately i do think it's implied that SY is there all along, hiding. However we are only given that knowledge/ confirmation in episode 19 (you know, like right at the end) and I bet it was also news to Sobong when BI brought up that SY must be still in there hiding since she has her memories. At first I didn't really pay too much attention when BI said that. I was, like whatever, the dude's still deluded. But what he said did come true at the end. When KSY wakes up in her own body, she's aware of what's going on and smoothly resume their ongoing mission. It doesn't look like she doesn't have memories from when BH is dominating her body. She knew she was pregnant, for e.g.
Perhaps one way to justify that KSY was there all along (other than in romantic scenes) was through SB bigger picture motivation and will. She's like this invisible puppet master and BH was just manifesting what she wanted in his style, judgement and mannerism. When SY and BH met and kissed in the lake, perhaps it was something like, "help me, I don't know what to do." and BH was the knight in shining armour to help her but the dumb thing is, BH just wakes up in her body and he's supposed to figure all that out accidentally and pray that he doesn't end up dead. There isn't like this guardian angel or divine being or divine revelation in a dream to tell him his mission and what happens if he ends up dead. Of course all this is just my guess at best since the drama reveals so little about the mechanics of the timeslip.
BH is supposed to be an egoist character and SB has put herself in many situation that will be at a disadvantage to her so perhaps that was KSY's invisible hand there especially when she sides with the king. But of course the most obvious thing to us was SB apparent motivation for allying with the king was to get back at those who tried to harm her. If you look at it in a different way, this aligns with KSY's life mission assuming it is for her man. Again this is all conjecture since we really don't get much info or character development on KSY other than she's someone in love with the king but was spurned, venting her frustration on court maids and servants either because she was bitter that the king was in love with someone else or trying to get out of being queen because it was not in line with her expectation and committed suicide because she felt hopeless.
I guess maybe that's why we also always see SB constant conundrum if the body is indeed controlled by BH or KSY. BH and us, the viewers always thought that BH was in control but perhaps it was always KSY all along pulling the string from behind the scene. Yeah but I agree that it doesn't really redeem her character even viewed in this way. I'm just trying to fill in the gap here but whatever happened with the drama happened and gaps are gaps.
39 minutes ago, cenching said:Love it as well and I am about to gif it but you beat me to it....On the behalf of the womankind, I would like to say thank you....
KJH has a way in how he "adjusts" the beam on his eyes....
I found the kiss in the spin off is super tamed if compare to in the drama. In the spin off is more on the cute kindergarten level side while in the drama is passionate advance level.
I second you sister!!
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I find KJH after smooch stare real sexy here
I wonder if SHS really put on a lip mask for kiss scene prep
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anyone know about this? If this has been posted before, sorry!!!
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Chingus.. would this alternative have made the ending more palatable?
What if KSY personality shows up earlier in the show? Not in the subtle way that have us fantasizing or guessing whether that's BH or KSY making out with the king. And the SY/BH split personality was acknowledged and accepted by the king earlier on in the drama? And king also accept the idea that BH is from the future. I think it will be quite interesting if at times SY wakes up in some kind of situation of BH's doing and vice versa. Something like KSY waking up suddenly when JBH was in Oktajeong something like that. Or BH only find out that KSY made love with the king because he was awake when they first find out about the pregnancy. At first CJ will be a bit unsettled but after he kind of accept it, then it will be quite funny to see how he have to contend with the two personalities surfacing at different times.
I think it's better if both BH and SY doesn't have control of who becomes dominant at what point and this is directly shown as a running theme of the drama so that both BH and SY have a hand in the ending.
22 minutes ago, cdcotr said:I just wanted to bring up something that stuck with me from the beginning and was never adequately explained. It was brought up in previous page..
It was how SY acted in the palace, punishing maids, court ladies, eunuchs and maybe even kids as they were shown to be scared of her. She had them punished even for minor if not non-existent faults.
GQD mentioned that she might have done that to get out of being chosen as queen. Though it was never explicitly confirmed.
If this was her plan, it was cruel. and ineffective.
She was vicious and punished innocent people to get out of something she agreed to do.
Thanks for bringing this up. This was my thought as well. I thought this part was kind of unnecessary and then at the end KSY suddenly become this progressive and magnanimous lady?
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1 hour ago, aisling said:
- Bong Hwan left someone he loved deeply behind. Will he be able to love someone like this again? Will he find someone who’d challenge him intellectually and emotionally like this? Imagine living the rest of your life remembering you experienced this epic love story.
- Cheoljong will keep wondering about the changes in his wife. Not only the mannerisms, language, but also her intellect. Those deep night conversations about democracy will be no more. He will always feel like he lost something significant while looking at the Queen’s dictionary.
- So Yong will be feeling like an imposter in her own body. She will be wondering for the rest of her life who Cheoljong truly liked. She should feel ashamed about taking her own life and that someone else literally saved her, her husband and the country. I keep wondering how does she feel knowing all those personal traits Cheoljong confessed he came to like belonged to Bong Hwan. How will she feel whenever she looks at the Queen’s dictionary?
Exactly. I would rather they dedicate some time in the drama addressing these salient points.
We didn't even see any real dynamics between original KSY and Cheoljong at the end. I'm not even asking for lovey dovey scene but just to gage how is the king taking in this version of the queen. Yes we did see him looking wistfully at his queen's dictionary as an acknowledgement that he knew there's something different about the queen but I still find it weird that he can accept a personality change like that and conveniently brushing off or disregarding what sobong told him before about being a dude from the future. I mean, isn't he portrayed to be progressive enough to embrace radical ideas or the queen displaying more male associated traits like flirting with concubines? Something just doesn't jive here. He's progressive and intuitive in many respect but just completely glossing over the most important point.
My other gripe is that KSY seems to have more control over BH on when she chooses to be the dominant personality or what she choose to remember or chooses for BH to remember. That's why it feels like she's taking credit for the actions taken by BH. KSY choose to go into hibernation whenever there's any heavylifting to be done. For make out scenes, viewers are left to fantasize whether it's BH or KSY depending on your sexual preference.
To be honest, in the beginning I found the drama interesting because of the potentially more progressive plot but at the end it just went the conventional mainstream way i.e. a fully heterosexual ending. Queen is fully feminine and JBH went on his life as a guy again.. who knows.. maybe this is to make an open end to welcome a potential season 2
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Hello all.. late to the game but firstly thank you for being a constant companion during the whole Mr Queen journey. I have enjoyed gushing over SHS/ KJH, ranting and theorizing with you guys tremendously sometimes even more than watching the drama itself, especially towards the end.
Agree with some of your comments here. Not sure what really happened during the the later part of the production but the later episodes seemed to pale in comparison to the earlier ones. Either the writer just run out of inspiration towards the end or a different ending was rushed in at the last minute to comply with some public standard/ expectation. 20 episodes is a good length but because the end was kind of "shallow" or feels like a shortcut of sorts, so it felt like there were a lot of fillers where they could have better develop it.
If JBH back to the future, king victorious and KSY is the end game, they could have had ep 20 scene happen earlier on and we see more of the aftermath sequence for example how altered history influenced the current modern reality from JBH viewpoint instead of just a few words onscreen, if JBH still sees the king in a romantic light or at least show us how JBH moved on from the king (I mean, it's as if they just totally skirt all the king-sobong lovey dovey scenes), king/KSY interaction like how the king is taking in this new original KSY but all we have is them smiling at one another with the camera flying around them. Don't even get me started on the much hyped about super fetus whom we didn't even get to see at the end let alone a pregnant tummy. I would say I rather trade one kiss scene to see the baby even in pregnant tummy form.
Bamboo forest felt a lot like a revisionist prequel to undo the initial thrust of the story. When we were first introduced to the story, the king was supposed to be in love with HJ and only fell in love with SB after he chose to throw away his initial prejudice and get to know her as a person. So it felt weird that he could so easily get attracted to KSY while he's supposedly dating HJ at this point. Ok I get that this is what will probably happen in real life but this just kind of put a spot on the perfect destiny couple image. I much rather see a sequel of what happens next rather than a "oh btw this actually happened before.."
14 hours ago, aisling said:“I will never confuse you with another again.”
I don’t know if I should laugh of cry.
And this part, as pointed out by @aisling. I don't know what to make of this part. On one hand the king is really returning the book to the real owner. On the other hand, BH is inside there and accepting it on behalf of the real owner as if it was really her when it wasn't. Now knowing what I know now, should I think that the king has confused the new original KSY or was the king confused with the SB back then?
Isn't the king is supposed to be the person who knows the queen best? At least we saw BI's viewpoint of KSY/SB was corrected at the end.
Anyway I think I will just leave Mr Queen as a rom com and not think too much about the story. With all that said, if there's one thing I did get from this drama is the amazing visuals of SHS/KJH and beautiful hanbok and Korean landscape, culture and setting and even the rest of the casts. SHS/KJH chemistry, for some reason, really appealed to me from a demographic of 30 to 40 year old female LOL but I would say that I have enjoyed their romantic tension as enemy more than when they settled into being a "real" married couple mode but this mirrors a typical progression of a romantic relationship from dating to marriage stage right? The heady cocktail of hormone first get you mad about the other person before being pulled back down to earth to reality with marriage.
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26 minutes ago, cenching said:
In the GPG, The Queen tended a half naked wounded Prince and next equally half naked wounded King....
Believe me both men are hot....
Well BI is hot too.. just that we don't get to see his body that much
10 minutes ago, cenching said:But wasn't he in relationship with HJ at that time???
Exactly my question..
This post got me thinking - if she's good with knives then why she entered the forest with bow and arrow?
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22 minutes ago, aisling said:
In the end we didn’t get to see Cheoljong’s chest but So Bong’s
Lol exactly.. in my fantasy it is sobong tending to the king with injured chest not the other way round
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Credit to owner
Is it me or does the king doesn't really feel in character?
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2 hours ago, shiqin3381 said:
credit to owner
Ending beyond imagination crack theory: KJG know about JBH and how to send him back to the future?!!!
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@Madu Mita haha this is a drama.. anything is possible.. that said, pregnancy varies individually but statiscally first trimester is deemed to be the most fragile stage in pregnancy for most people
In any case now that i've seen one more real kiss please let me see the baby safely arriving!!!
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to the person who posted this. Translation anyone?
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Wow
Credit to owner
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I recently discovered a youtuber who dissects C-dramas in English and because she is well versed in both Chinese and English, so she could nicely bridge the gap and elaborate on the Chinese cultural or linguistic context or background. If anyone here knows of a Korean equivalent (youtuber or not) who can illuminate the nuances in Mr Queen that would be very much appreciated!
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@Mila I second you..
Life after Mr Queen...
It would really help with my separation anxiety if KJH and SHS were to collaborate as romantic lead in another drama/ movie set in modern day or otherwise (I'm not picky).. and then of course what KJH and SHS choose to do with their personal lives is none of my business BUT in the unlikely event that they also become a real life couple.. I would cry in cathartic release!!! LOL
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1 hour ago, kara_mella said:
They don't use this verb to confess because is outdated; I would say it is more like an obsolete word -> no longer in active use in speech and writing; from my point of view -"yeonmohada" is more pure bcuz revolves around affection - which may be seen as an emotional display of love, including words and physical touch whilst "saranghada" may sound superficial to describe the way people understood the whole concept of love back then. Nowadays it is used only in historical dramas.
On the subject of Korean expression of love, in the king lake confession scene, I also noticed that the king has used 좋아 joa (sorry if this is misrepresented in any way but hopefully I get the message through). As I understand this to mean like and from my cultural lens, it feels like this is one step down before love. So I did wonder about this. Was there some "reservation" (for lack of a better term) because what he's feeling for the queen is new to him at that time or he wasn't fully sure about how the queen feels about him or just because this being a first love confession?
Anyway I feel this scene along with the background song here captured the feeling of yeonmo here.. credit to @aisling twitter
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5 hours ago, cenching said:
Need enlightment from anyone who knows Korean......
From what I know, love is sarang in Korean. But in Mr Queen the translation for love in the scene where BI-SB exchanged information about the person who tried to killed SB was CJ, he used the word young moo/young mool. SB used the same word in Tango scene but it translated soul, in Mandarin 灵魂/Línghún. I am wondering......
Did she say yeonmo in the tango scene?
I recall this interview about this word: https://www.soompi.com/article/1448487wpp/exclusive-shin-hye-sun-and-kim-jung-hyun-share-message-for-global-mr-queen-fans-pick-other-roles-theyd-play-and-more
Kim Jung Hyun: Yeonmo is said quite often [in the drama]. It can be similar to sarang (love), but it also includes the emotion of earnest longing. I think it is a more rich expression of love.
Shin Hye Sun: One of So Yong’s lines is, “You have to yeonmo me.” How about using this phrase when confessing love in the future?
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the only thing that can distract our workaholic king from his mission..
KJH has a way in how he "adjusts" the beam on his eyes....
Isn't the king is supposed to be the person who knows the queen best? At least we saw BI's viewpoint of KSY/SB was corrected at the end.
Believe me both men are hot....
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If they didn't film the second bed scene because of the cold weather, then they could have at least filmed the husband untying wife hair part after the kiss and SB pinning CJ down and fade out instead of kiss and then fade out.. then it would have
done us fanservicepreserve the script integrity