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11 minutes ago, Jillia said:
It looks like I will work even more this week. So not much time to reply. But I wanted quickly throw in a thought about the scar. What if... since this is magical world, it's simply a effect of Ha Ru remembering not only Dan Oh but also his self before he became an extra with a setup? Like the scar appeared out of nowhere simply because it was part of his sageuk character.
That was actually my impression too.
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2 hours ago, kawaiibooty said:
So I keep playing the drama
as a background noise lmaowhile multitasking and every time Haru and DO are at that waterfall scene at night I get this uneasy feeling when DO's shoes touch the water and that creepy soundtrack plays in the background. The scene is beautiful obviously and the cinematography is gorgeous and that intimate moment they shared laying in the grass and being all gorgeous when she names him Haru makes you forget what happened before, but that momentary shot with a close up on DO's shoes and how startled she was when she got too close to the water is weiiiird! So, like... what if in Flower...She died by drowning? And Haru watched it but couldn't save her because he was on stage and couldn't move cuz he isn't just an extra? That location seem like their hideout in Flower and maybe BK found them and snapped or something...and things went really wrong.. and...idk! Also, the drama has so many other scene related to water like when she fell into that pool and immediately lost consciousness, but thankfully got rescued by Haru, but then that's exactly the moment he disappeared ...?!!!?!?? Also she almost drowned in the beach and Haru didn't move and help her that time....(now that I think about it, why didn't he? was it because he still didn't have a name and thus couldn't move THAT freely...idk I am starting to get really confused lol)
Just a guess. But anyway, I am loving the fact that a teen romance drama is making all of us theorize so much...That's quality entertainment!
You know, this manwha Secret is a formula based on previous kdramas, most obviously Heirs and Boys Over Flowers for me. It would therefore make sense that Flower is a knock-off of popular kdramas too. Because something came up about a princess, I suggested on another blog the Princess's Man, Queen Inhuyans Man...but isnt there o ne along these lines that specifically deals with drowning? Rooftop Prince? I can barely remember it. But that was a drama where his beloved princess dies by drowning - actually doesnt his present day character die by drowning too? - and he and his F4 gang journey from their makjang Joseon sageuk into a modern day rom-com.
It seems possible Flower was based on kdramas we would recognize, so maybe the drowning thing stems from one of those kdramas? Out there, maybe, but fun to speculate lol!
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3 hours ago, chubbz said:
I believe ONJ's mum is also a frequently featured extra in the writer's manhwa because JMC commented something about extra (can't recall exact details) when he saw her in the campus. Haru also had the look of recognition when he first saw her, so perhaps she was from Flower too. Maybe the empress or dowager of sorts?
I just chanced upon a YouTube video in Chinese where the video creator shares some of her analysis of the show and one of the points she suggested is that unlike the others, Haru wasn't meant (by the writer) to be in Secret.
DO and Haru definitely were in Flower and DO is likely "recycled" in Secret but Haru wasn't. She might have died in Flower and Haru forcefully broke out from Flower into Secret to follow/find DO. This forceful transition could have resulted in the black hole, which connects both stories.
The points she mentioned to support her opinion include:
It is unlikely for a writer to bother with specific traits for an extra (especially one who isn't even named, unlike DO and some other classmates), but Haru has a scar on his hand. This scar might be an injury from events in Flower, and it might have been a result of Haru trying to change the story and then causing DO's death in Flower.
His forceful transition might have resulted in his memory loss, but his skills and knowledge (e.g. hanja, flute, drawing, etc.) is retained.
The hanging ornament (shown in the Flower flashback) they picked up from the ground might be a key to some of the mystery, because Haru asked BK for the one (though not the same, it's similar in that both have the same flower) that DO gave to BK and told him he needs it.
I've just been writing the same theory on another blog, that Haru was not meant to be in Secret. That's why he has memories of Flower - plays the flute, the sageuk language but no English, the trumpet flower, etc., - but Dan Oh does not.
Dan Oh still has feelings (and likely the same personality) from the other manwha but no concrete memories. Her Flower 'memory ' was overwritten with the character details of Secret Dan Oh.
Haru, on the other hand, has intact memories and he is possessing the extra. It's like extras are thumb drives the writer can inject anything she wants onto, but Haru (or Dan Oh) gained possession and wrote the script for the extra instead so he became Haru.
Writers always talk about characters getting away from them, doing things without the writer's consent or conscious volition. To me, Extraordinary You is a telling meta about the scriptwriting process, where a writer tries to force her characters into the acceptable rom-com formula but her imagination and common sense keep rebelling in the form of her shadow characters. The battle between stage and shadow is the writing process. Order and chaos. Obedience and free will. Formula and honesty. Formula and creativity.
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14 hours ago, Jillia said:
I also want to say. I really mean it when I say that I dislike all the arm grabbing in Korean dramas overall. And while I also don't like it when Ha Ru it does I also agree there is a big difference between how he grabs Dan Oh's arm and how Kyung does it - was it you who mentioned it @haelan. Plus with Kyung comes a lot of violence tendencies. He really grabs in a way it hurts Dan Oh. With Ha Ru, Dan Oh isn't afraid to pull her arm away and can do so easily without Ha Ru holding onto it. She is also never afraid like she is with Kyung.
Just my observation. Still a cliché which needs to disappear from drama entirely.
Just something interesting for your info (I hate the wrist grab too - it always looks painful in addition to forceful): over on When the Camillia Blooms, I learned that grabbing a woman by the hand without permission in Korea constitutes assault. The free zone is between forearm and wrist. Grabbing there is not automatic assault, but if the woman complains to the police it might constitute sexual assault (rather than assault?). I just found this interesting because wondered if this Korean law lies behind all the wrist grabbing in kdrama, much more so than in other Asian dramas, and of course it's just not a thing in North America.
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31 minutes ago, chickfactor said:
I love the concept of the "reward vacation." It's so funny, and there is something so Korean about the whole thing.
In a way, I feel sort of bad for the actors, because it's like, work is over, but do they ever get a chance to truly relax? The whole thing feels like a publicity stunt. So I'm going to imagine that they're having an amazing time together. And Koreans really know how to party.
"Work hard, play hard!"
I feel the same way. They work incredibly hard on set. If it's really a reward vacation, the company should be protecting them from the press, not arranging more photo shoots in what seem like publicity stunts. If it were me I'd forego the "reward" and go on my own vacation. IU and YGJ in particular are amazingly good sports because surely they can afford their own vacations out of the spotlight. These reward vacations seem more like the Asian company dinner which the employees seem almost obligated to go to, when most of them one suspects would rather be with their own friends and family.
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It's never actually stated, but best educated guess is the logo is a branch of the moon tree cutting through the full moon. One solid inspiration for this story is the myth of Diana, the moon goddess, a branch or bough from Diana's tree that is Diana but also allows the possessor to journey to the underworld, and Diana's ritual at Lake Nemi, where her priest and protector guarded both her and the tree for hundreds of real years. I wrote about this earlier in the thread but it's kind of boring for those who don't know about The Golden Bough book, myth, or ritual. Anyway, I believe the logo was initially inspired by gorgeous images of Diana/Artemis shooting an arrow through the moon (Google it if interested!) which they changed to the branch when they decided to use the Nemi ritual as part of their inspiration for the moon tree and Chang Sun's guardianship.
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Oh wow, just watched with subs and did I ever cry. Prepare yourselves!
But all in all a very satisfying ending if not the outright happy one I wanted.
And while it might not be a happy ending, it is very much a happy beginning.
If you think about it, CS has been reincarnated likely myriad times in 1300 years and never had a chance to meet his soul mate in all that time. Man Wol finally going to the afterlife begins not just one lifetime of a happy ending, but many lifetimes.
So that’s what the HS gave us in the end, and I think I prefer it: hurray for a happy beginning and an excellent show!
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Just watched with subs. Oh you guyyyyyys, what a great episode! I loved the graduation, the picture-taking, the pick up and swirl, and needed no skinship with our OTP at all, they were so obviously in love throughout. Kudos to the Hong Sisters once again for keeping the narrative moving. As usual with this show, as soon as I'm 20 minutes into an episode I start watching the clock cause I don't want it to end!
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1 hour ago, RiceGirl1212 said:
I don't think IU has ever done any steamy scenes. I joke around for that type of romance but based on the characters I am satisfied if it is implied but not explicitly shown.
I really don't think IU would ever do a super steamy scene just cause she is also an idol singer and well you know there is always an image you have to up hold. But I think from her recent track record people are seeing her and appreciating her as a multi-talented entertainer. I don't know if her Nation's Little Sister title is still so entrenched that people wouldn't be able separately her actions as an actor.
Any IU stans here to fill us in?
To me, reading the body language, and from my fifteen years of serial dating before I got married, I'd say the stiffness in the romance scenes comes from him not her (though she responds in kind) and it's not because he's not capable, or unattracted to her - he's overly attracted to her and he's awkward and embarrassed because of it. So he's posing rather than acting in those scenes. Their love scenes or hugs or head on shoulder all seem carefully posed for the camera. He's not acting, because acting pulls from emotions and physicality a lot of the time and he's being careful not to let that happen.
No I'm not saying they're in a relationship! I'm saying he's a 22 year old man who is possibly intensely attracted to his beautiful co-star and trying to avoid showing it to her and the world watching them! So he's going through the paces and poses mechanically.
Anyway, that's my instinct. Could be wrong.
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22 hours ago, WHandsome said:
After all these "imaginations"...
They'd give us :
...MW never find her way back and CS is left forever waiting for her...
And no season 2 just like scarlet ryeo
LOL
Spoiler for Kdrama Black ending:
Black almost matches for worst fantasy ending: picture Man Wol in a Mrs Santa grey wig as she got to grow old - not even with a lovely second lead but someone unnamed, and has kids - but CS, who sacrificed everything time again for her, did not, and returned to his post as a grim reaper. He does collect her as a grim reaper at the end but only to say a final farewell. Wtf?
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5 hours ago, vangsweetie637 said:
@berny2 was it you who asked when did CS first realized he loves MW? Hm, if i think back, it has to have been when he subconsciously asked for the autograph. Before, we saw that even though he listens to her, he didn’t show much interest. He was always curious about her and wanted to know more. However, during that time, he was constantly thinking of her and wanting to do things for her starting with the autograph. When he realized that he can make her happy even at the simplest things, he becomes happy too. I think that is the beginning and as he began to know her more, he liked her even more. His will to want to protect her from being evil also shows that he cared about her already hence it only grew as his love grew
@Ameera Ali LOL! I should have saved your gif of the Moon Tree doing our job for us!
Hmmm. When did Ma Go put the flowers in his heart? Does she say? Or have they been there from the beginning? Every time he clutched his heart (four of five times), was he feeling her hurt because of those flowers? He was always quite strangely devoted to her without actually being in love with her, I thought. And let's face it, he knew the inner MW mainly from her dreams (another product of the flowers?) which were preoccupied with a love story involving two other men.
My memory is really quite bad. Do we know when Ma Go inserted the flowers?
Does anyone else suspect the button she stole off CS might come into play? What is a button? It's a fastener. I don't know how the memory thing works but she's been gone for a month. One scenario that plays out in my mind is that she's close to losing her memories of CS but just as the flowers are one connection between them, the button is both reminder of him and another 'fastener' between them.
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21 hours ago, annamchoi said:
updates
Okay so who is old enough to have thought I Dream of Jeannie when they saw this hairstyle straight out of the 60s and 70s. And then...I Dream of Ji Eunnie! Lol.
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20 hours ago, juju84 said:
Hi, guys! I'm not sure if someone mentioned it before but what if the thing that protects JW's evil spirit and channels all the negative energy from the Hello blog users is his ring. I mean every time we see his character the camera focuses on the ring on his finger. Remember Una's spirit was connected to the necklace, while MW's soul to the sword that was consumed by the tree. What I'm trying to say is that maybe first MW needs to destroy the ring or took it off JW's finger before she could vanish him?
p.s. Well, if HDL has the kind of ending My Girlfiend is a Gumiho had, am ok with it. For me it wasn't a bad ending at all (after all Miho came back after 3 years). I mean we had worst k-drama endings right girls?
I'm worried about those curses. They come through in this world. The ring might be the focus so maybe you're right. Speaking of objects, the Moon hairpin the Captain holds might once have been inside the coffin with the other things MW hauled away. I think Mago took those things, but whatever, the pin should still be around.
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9 hours ago, vangsweetie637 said:
I got my defense ready if this does end tragically:
A girl after my own heart.
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49 minutes ago, aria26 said:
I am curious about that.
I thought somewhere in the show we have concluded that the dreams are MW's memories. If so, was that scene at the lake just her imagination of what CM was doing?
Or is CS getting his own visions?
I had the same question.
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7 minutes ago, lollyminx said:
Who would've thought that flowers blooming will elicit such naughty, naughty thoughts right?
Laughed so hard the song is about a psycho.
I think it's because there has been no real development in the romance department. I mean audiences can clearly see they have deep feelings for one another, and they've said it verbally although indirectly, but for me, I understand where they are coming from because of the lack of plot lines that would strengthen their bond or should I say show their sweetness or their love for one another. It's episode 10, for instance, and we only saw a hug. On the other hand, I'm okay with it because their love is meant to be that way. I mean, what's more meaningful than having a man see into your past and watch you willing to curse a woman, and still love you, and that last scene in episode 10 did warrant a hug and nothing more because it is a deep and innocent scene. So all in all, I get why they don't think there's no chemistry between the two, but on the other hand, I also see the chemistry and appreciate how their love unfolded over time. Slow burn. I just really wish they'd speed up with the romance part because man, it's taking too long.
GUYS, TODAY IS THE DAY.
Happy streaming/live recapping later!
Chan Sung needs a sexual awakening. His character is upright, earne st, ethical kind and chaste. He's based on a mythical character who is all these things. But the mold needs breaking in a romance, and we need some passion from him. This is shown in k dramas in the form of jealousy most often. I'll tell you though, one of the hottest scenes was right in episode one on the subway when MW leans over him and blows in eyes and ears. He's shaken by her at that moment, wondering if she'll make him her boy toy, and I got the sense he hated and loved it at the same time. My point is these actors do have chemistry, just watch that scene, but they're being written and directed differently, where trust not passion is primary.
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6 hours ago, mei yang said:
just see some news said part of this drama copied a chinese drama named goodbye, my princess.and others also copied different chinese and Japanese dramas.it is not the first time the writers of this drama copied chinese and japanese dramas. Copy is a s.h.*t. disgusting
I saw goodbye my princess and though there is a thematic similarity in one aspect IF character motivations play out the same way, that would certainly not be enough to say it was copied or plagiarized. Maybe don't spread this kind of thing as if it is true?
2 hours ago, guinearoyal said:QuoteAs for what will happen at the end between CS and MW, It has crossed my mind at times that if she left to the afterlife, I could see him following her so she did not have to go alone. He is afraid of her leaving, suggesting how strong his attachment is to her.
And that could be the reason he was chosen by MG for MW, she knew that MW needed someone righteous who could steer her in the right direction and would not abandon her. Though how far he is willing to following will need to be seen.
I did a previous post on The Golden Bough and how the Hong Sisters are riffing on this ritual to moon goddess Diana. I won't go into it again (though every episode emphasizes it) but the Moon Tree is Man Wol but also The Golden Bough. Diana, Goddess of the Moon, is the tree. In Roman myth, Aeneas breaks off a golden bough from this tree. Why? Because it allows entry and exit to human beings to the underworld.
So my thought is that MW might die or leave for the afterlife but leave behind a flower, leaf, sprig. Whereupon CS, armed with his golden bough, goes after her and brings her back to live out her full 'living' lifespan.
Nice, huh? It will maintain complete consistency with the Diana/Golden Bough mythos they've drawn inspiration from and provide us all with a happy ending.
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50 minutes ago, aria26 said:
I need to see that please link haha.
This show is making our brains work overtime haha
Lol. I actually think it's on this thread somewhere but have no idea how to search for it.
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6 minutes ago, jasminssiii said:
What if the Captain is Kim Joon Hyun from "The Guys Who Died After Eating" HAHAHAHA
Someone somewhere thought of this before and did a comparison of their photos as before and after weightloss. Lol.
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It would be kind of fun if the bellhop turned out to be the captain! Hear me out:
1) Someone else has his name - something is wrong with his identity. Was he given false memories (we know it can happen because MW almost did it to Mira)?
2) These reincarnations are coming back as opposites: the princess is now a thief; thief Yeon Woo is now a detective. What's the opposite of a nobleman and general/captain? A servant (bellhop) and a common soldier!
3) He has that sword slash in his chest near his heart, just where MW probably plunged her sword (cmon, the Korean war had guns not swords), and where CS clutched when waking from his vision of the moment.
This is where my HDL-obsessed mind wanders, ladies and gentlemen. Worse, it's not outside probability, which means nothing else is either - ANYTHING is possible in this show lol.
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43 minutes ago, aria26 said:
Woah, this is such a cool insight. If they go this route though, I want a second season to flesh out all the rules for "time and existence", 6 episodes wont be enough for this kind of twist (I am continuing your plot with the last two episodes as CS being trapped in an alternate reality where he is co-creator, he creates a Yeon Woo in the present, Mi Ra is nice because she is afterall still an ex-girlfriend, he doesn't know where his mom is so he also creates closure, a part of him wants to run away so he imagined the well deity, and he is also fearful of a past acquaintance, thus, the serial killer. All these gets resolved in his alternate universe for a whole season, then he gets rescued back by Man Wol to the Ep 1-8 world, and we have another season to resolve the original story, hehe).
Ha! This made me laugh - that would be a tangled web! But there need be no alternate world, just that this reality is slightly different because it contains this mother. But I think the impact of the curse was diffused. How much more hurtful if he had memories of this woman who didn't want him and abandoned him? Because he doesn't know or remember her, an apology from her and chance to see her off is as good as it could get for him so MW makes sure it happens.
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CS apparently absorbed Man Wol's curse directed at Mira, but it was 'untangled' or 'defused' to a degree. But what was Mira's curse? She was meant to have a sad adult life because her memories were changed so she felt like her family had never wanted her and abandoned her.
Is it a coincidence that a few days later CS encounters librarian ghost mother who never wanted him and had abandoned him? And photos in a book on Existence and Time, paralleling the photos of Mira and her family?
And Existence and Time questions the whole nature of what it is 'to be'. It's very possible that until the curse hit CS, that librarian mom didn't exist in time. She's pulled into existence/time by the curse.
I think MW knows something on this topic. No lily for the librarian.
CS's job is to protect MW from herself. She tells him he's going to get hurt. For her but also by her if this is an example. Anything her ill-will dishes out will rebound onto CS so she's put into a position to save him. But from the curse we see that that might not be enough.
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48 minutes ago, stroppyse said:
Not sure if there is already a preview translation posted, but here is another one for the preview for ep 11.
I'm not sure I entirely agree. MW clearly remembered him since her personal time has been frozen for a thousand years, even though she chooses to walk away with him rather than try to re-engage. However, YW stares at MW as if seeing her, there was a spark of recognition in him about her. So, while YW has lived his life without MW in this lifetime, it seems as if their paths are going to cross.
So, perhaps the lesson is more that fates will enable souls to cross each other in multiple lifetimes, even if one doesn't always recognize each other or are as close as they were in other lifetimes? I think the Hong Sisters really like to play with the concepts of fate and meeting according to fate.
However, with each reincarnation, each soul seems to choose their actions in that lifetime, so that they don't necessarily make the same choices. One has free will in each lifetime, rather than be stuck in the same role over and over.
Like how MR says that she feels that she has to back off CS once she sees that the other woman is MW, saying that she feels that MW is not someone that MR should act like that towards. Somewhere in her soul is an echo of the harm that MR has done MW in the past and that she doesn't want to repeat.
As for MR and YW getting together in this lifetime, even though she was responsible for his death in a previous lifetime. It could happen, and MR could be extra sweet to YW in this lifetime perhaps as atonement for the previous lifetime. Just speculating, since it's really up to the writers to determine where the story goes and what messages if any to put in the story.
Good post. My read is the same as yours re MR and YW.
I still think part of Yeon Woo's spirit is tied to Man Wol. A blogger at bitchesoverdramas said Yeon Woo's spirit not Captain's is the firefly, and it's a possibility.
When Yeon Woo sees MW, he stops in his tracks. It's not attraction, it's recognition. Probably a very strong deja vu feeling with emotions attached.
Ma Go tells him he is doomed to bachelorhood, lovelessness, loneliness unless he takes that heart pen. What if it's been the same in each of his reincarnated lives because part of his heart or spirit has remained with MW.
Also, to digress because of the book "Existence and Time": is it possible that the three ghost employees continued to exist in the real world but part of their essence became the ghosts at the Hotel?
Perhaps because of a contract? People are always making contracts with Death or the devil. Man Wol as a death entity made a contract with CS's dad.
This is all in my head, but perhaps our bellhop, with that killing blow in his chest, returned home to die, but his sister loved him so much she signed away her eyes and part of his soul to keep him alive. That's why there's a real guy, who is his physically older self, but also a ghost - always physically young because time stopped - contractually obliged to serve the Hotel until his sister dies?
And something like this happened with Yeon Woo, who gets reincarnated but part of his spirit or soul is contractually obliged through promise or love to remain with Man Wol?
And maybe with the other employees too. Contracts?
Every time the bellboy remembers his past, the song My Grandfather's Clock plays. This is a song about existence and time stopping simultaneously (mirrored in the book title), and we've also got MW and her tree, for whom they more or less stopped too.
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13 minutes ago, aria26 said:
She might be the nicest Hong Sister's ex-girlfriend. She even feels like a real person with her loan problems and medical practice behind the scenes.
In fact, all the side-characters in this drama are so real, I want to watch a spin off for each of them (maybe not for smirkalot - thanks @Ondinefor the fitting nickname)
So true about the side characters! As for Mira, I didn't get the impression her emotions ran deep, for which I am truly thankful. Just finished a Thai drama which wasn't bad, but the second lead female was so jealous and shrieking and over the top it was a wonder someone didn't take her outside and shoot her!I
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[Drama 2019] Extraordinary You / Suddenly One Day, 어쩌다 발견한 하루 - 2019 MBC Drama of the Year
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Oh wow, and that's why we have A3. There should be a fourth! I had no idea he was in that.
This show makes me smile, even if what it's sayi ng is all in my head.