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[blue003]

1 minute ago, mewtwo said:

 

But Wang So drank the poison to save her if she was going to be punished even if the CP didn't drink it why did Wang So go this far then ?  gotta wait till Monday to find out I guess   

 

I think it's because WS must have thought that he would get the antidote in time thereby helping both parties to escape death. Plus if anything had happened to the crown prince, there is no way that HS can escape from death. Though he could have just dropped the tea cup or something instead of drinking it... Then again the plot has to go on...

[Gabi Bros]

7 minutes ago, blue003 said:

I think it's because WS must have thought that he would get the antidote in time thereby helping both parties to escape death. Plus if anything had happened to the crown prince, there is no way that HS can escape from death. Though he could have just dropped the tea cup or something instead of drinking it... Then again the plot has to go on...

THIS!!! Totally!!! 

[millie10468]

1 minute ago, Gabi Bros said:

THIS!!! Totally!!! 

It looks like So grabbed CP's cup like he was toasting him. I don't see how he could then proceed to drop the cup even by accident. No matter how "radical" So is perceived as by his family, I highly doubt it's the thing to do to rudely grab the CP's cup and then drop it. Sounds like there would be some punishment involved if that happened

[shiraru]

15 minutes ago, blue003 said:

 

I think it's because WS must have thought that he would get the antidote in time thereby helping both parties to escape death. Plus if anything had happened to the crown prince, there is no way that HS can escape from death. Though he could have just dropped the tea cup or something instead of drinking it... Then again the plot has to go on...

That's actually possible! And I sincerely hope that would be the case, but we still don't know how the tea would be served. I remember in BBJX, the tea is often served pretty hot, so maybe if Wang So spilled it, he would get burned. Also, with the poison in the tea, it would be possible that Wang So's skin would somewhat be damaged again. Either possibilities would still get Hae Soo in trouble though...oh well...I guess we will see how it goes in the next episode...

[chickenchopflipflop]

wow the new pics. 

I have trouble grasping the narrative after seeing the new spoilers. Wang so drank the poison willingly and tried to hide his reaction to the poison because he thought it was the best way to save Hae soo. He leaves the tea ceremony alone because he did not want people to find out there was poison in the tea so that Hae soo will not be implicated. If his intention was just to save the CP, he could have easily toppled the tea but no he chose to drink it as proof of Hae Soo's innocence...I had initially though this narrative would be the definite turning point for the WS HS ship, but it doesn't seem so...

After looking at the spoiler pics, i realise that not only did wang so not succeed; Hae soo was still sentenced to death for trying to poison the CP, but oh sang gong may be implicated as well. So basically Wang so's sacrifice amounted to nothing, this will not be the definite turning point to their relationship as i had expected. But also it made me realise that MLSHR is just not that kind of drama; its not idol fare that concentrate on the lovey dovey relationship stuff and revolve only around the two leads, but a more complex exploration of how an ensemble of characters react when driven to extremes..it is definitely going to get more difficult to watch from now onwards....

Anyway my guess is that Wang So survived the poison because he already found out about the plot beforehand and took an antidote before drinking the tea, high likelihood since his character is made out to be more pragmatic rather than romantic. 

But still i wished the writer will give us a more light hearted episode 11, they build wang so up to be such a tragic and damaged character, but it seems they wont give him much opportunities to evolve and pursue happiness; probably just gonna get worst from here on out... whereas for Hae soo, they are developing her character in a way that is too fast and furious for me....
 

[Shiro_Ragonjan]

41 minutes ago, shiraru said:

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The new stills will all happen on ep10 only? So on ep11 the lovey dovey scenes between WS and HS would start then. 

[Evelyn C]

You know, for all this talk about our SoSoo couple, I am seriously missing our YoYoo couple  Has the queen suddenly decided to stop making devious plans at the bath? Maybe now that WangSo has brought rain,will bath time and evil plans start again? heh 

[junee22]

Ok..calming down now...first @fathiayunia 

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Halo say..sering2 aj kesini..seru kok..hehehe

So I talked with my colleague who watched the show after I recommended it..remember she said it was good after only watch ep 1-2? And now,after she finished watch the show until ep9..once again I asked her..how's the show?you found something unusual?something strange?..she said..I quote her "no,the show is very good and I'm curious". I didn't tell her about the different vers.,I didn't tell her about the subs..and I didn't tell her about all the analysis here. I just told her to watch with an empty shell (she didn't watch the Cver also). So,basically she's like @larinalove sister(correct me if I'm wrong dear), someone who watch the show with pure visions. And she didn't find any flaws..so I think that is what ppl generally thought if only they could give a little time to watch MLSHR. And that's showed how good this drama is.

Then,I ask her..do you think HS likes WS or WW? She said "Wang Wook,HS scared of WS..when will she falls in love with WS?" (how could she know that WS-HS is our main OTP?) Well,I guess their chemistry are shining through out of the screen. And she added that HS has a veerrrryyy little spark on WS (a very very tiny dots..this is me speaking lol).

My thought on HS..I think she's basically afraid to Gwangjong..not to WS,but to GJ,always..from the very start of the show, for whatever reasons (many of you already discussed this,so I won't write it again). So,when she has this visions..the first thing that she remember is her scared. Everything else became blurred (I've experienced this..when you're afraid you just feels panic..you can't think of everything.. I won't write about this again..there are so many already pointed to this). And the point is..just to simplify this chingu..HS needs more time to calm down. WS needs someone to comfort and care for him..but the timing is so wrong for both WS and HS. So can we move on now?  Coz I'm sure we'll see this explained in the next ep10.

HS is just someone who is foolishly good. She's mature only on one side but the other side is childish..so she still sees things in this world as black and white,as pure as a child. For her,bad is bad,good is good. But she also could understand WS sometimes..than it's her mature side (I hope you know what I mean..couldn't find the right words). Becoz of this maturity-but also childish character of her,many look at her as inconsistent..I'll call that "unstable". I've ever in this condition..unstable side..even though I was at my 20s that time I still saw things in black and white. I trusted ppl so easily..I treated them with respect..I tried to be good to them in hoping they would do the same to me. Oh,but how foolish is that right? It took friends/bf betrayal for me to realize world isn't work that way. Sorry if that was OOT..but I'm just trying to made an example..that's why I said HS is a foolish good person.

And we're back to this point..HS needs more times..to be more stable,to mature fully,and to not judge ppl with black and white. I'm hoping that our guess about that kiss scene is right. For me,I guess WS will apologize to HS..never stop approaching her but slowing down his pace. This could be a lesson for them both. To learn to be more mature on HS side..and be more patient on WS side.

Sorry for the long post..and thank you for reading this..good night from my side of world..love you eclipses. 1 more hours to sunday at my place..

[meahri_1]

40 minutes ago, zi4r said:

 

I agree with you on one point. The romanticizing of the kiss that is being done by the audience is frankly disturbing. The kiss is supposed to signify the greatest hurdle in the relationship... an indicator of the vast difference in their stations and the vast distance their love is supposed to go through. (Because at this point, she is his, just not in the way he hopes her to be... He DOES own her body, just not her love.) The kiss was not meant to be a symbol of love.

 

But I feel the need to preach here a bit. Please bear in mind that "You are mine" usually means something entirely different to males of high stations in the past. It usually means "You are my subject"... (Okay, now I know feminists like myself are going to explode, but hold your horses). It means "You are my responsibility", "You are under my protection". In many period dramas, many males of higher stations will say to their loved ones "You are not allowed to die/leave without my permission." Then, the modern female audience gets annoyed. But trust me when I say this... Such proclamations are sources of comfort and great relief to people of the past (especially females). So judging those sentences according to our very modern standards is truly ridiculous, and it also belittles females in countries where, even today, such proclamations of protection from their male partners are still very much a lifeline to them.

 

Now back to the previous thread of argument.

Just because the audience might react/misinterpret that way, the dramas shouldn't have to avoid such a scene for the OTP couple. Such uncomfortable and disturbing scenes are what stretches the art... and what would gradually make the audience more mature in their assessment of the dynamics in the story. As you say, media has a huge influence in our society, but that doesn't mean we need to molly-coddle the audience; media is supposed to provide space for growth of the audience's worldview, not hide all the uglier parts of human interactions.

The part red-highlighted by me... I feel it's a bit of a stretch. I doubt there are many people who feel portrayal in fictional relationships are that much translatable to RL... especially given how far apart the time period is from ours.

On the other hand, IRL, no matter how "perfect" your relationship might seem to be, it's not without struggle. Both partners may sometimes go through episodes of irrationality (like HS and WS were in that scene... HS being out of her mind with fear and WS being out of his mind while wallowing in rejection/self-pity from interaction with mom). True love and commitment is not about avoiding such incidents; it's about being able to get past them TOGETHER and being able to forgive one another. As such, it's the same for our OTP.

I am pretty sure in the coming episode, WS (and the audience) will come to realize the kiss is more damaging than facilitating to their relationship. We'll have to wait and see.

 

@zi4r Wow. You again very clearly articulated all the thoughts I've had on this topic. In regard to your statement that dramas shouldn't have to avoid scenes like this just because it makes people uncomfortable, I agree wholeheartedly. As you say, it not only 'stretches the art', but more importantly, it brings RL situations front and center -- not necessarily this scene.  Domestic abuse, discrimination, ethnic cleansing, incest, polygamy, sexual deviation...leaving these type of scenes out of the things we watch might make people more comfortable, but for what purpose? When portrayed appropriately, its intent is not only to move the plot along in a particular direction, it's meant to make you pause and think. It's supposed to inspire emotion...whether it be horror, sadness, anger...whatever.

The bottom line is we all had different reactions to the ending of ep 9. That's as it should be. I've enjoyed reading everyone's POV and can definitely see the validity in everyone's arguments. I will still stick with my interpretation, though.  I'm glad we're all able to discuss things and just agree to disagree.

[blue003]

The saddest part is at the end, most of the characters are going to realize that fighting for the throne wasn't worth it. Everyone is going to lose something precious and know that whatever it was they were fighting for(to protect loved ones, to be the apple of your mothers eye, revenge...) except for that everything else will happen and make them miserable for the rest of their lives...

[dhia205]

@fathiayunia & @solelylurking

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@fathiayunia ahaha... tenang you're not the only one talking about that. dianya aja kali yang lagi PMS jadi agak sensi.

@solelylurking even when you seep, you still think about this place on your dream Lol. gak tau tuh tumben dia ngomel2 gitu, biasanya gak ampe segitunya, meskipun kalo menurut gw tiap dia post tulisannya pasti heboh (on a good way ya..). again maybe she is in her period, so harap maklum ya hehehe... sayang gw gak nonton drama itu, kayanya ada erang kah?

 

41 minutes ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

sorry to cut ur post...

And i did wonder about the same if CP was Queen's aim and WS ended up drinking it how he is still alive ?

Was this poison has to do something with CP's allergy...like it would be more lethal for CP cause it has the content dangerous for his allergies and WS survived cause he dint have any...I am still not sure how WS survived but thats all i could thought of

and that bold line defines their love in all thick and thin, in all good and bad facing all together and coming out as just One.

if the poison related to CP allergy, WS won't be affected won't he? in my take the poison not in a deadly dose, so WS still can make it, or maybe he just drink half of the tea??

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poor WS, to have this...

he have to be like this...

indeed.. anything for LOVE

[pigsflyy]

I also want to add that I feel like Wang So and Hae Soo gets along so well because they are similar ways. They both stated that they wanted to live and not be controlled by others. Hae Soo's independent nature is due to her being from the 21st century, while Wang So is from being outcasted and fending for himself. They also question their existence, but have a strong will to survive.

I find it interesting that some find Hae Soo's actions manipulative. To be manipulative to me is to try to control others to your benefit, it sounds much more selfish. I do however find Hae Soo to be reckless, often acting on emotions. She always has good intentions for others in her actions, but I think she will soon learn that good intentions doesn't always bring out good results.

I find that although Wang So is very intelligent, he also acts out on emotions. Like logically he knows his mom is evil, but he can't help but help her by killing the monks to protect her.

Again, he knows Hae Soo doesn't want to be in control by others through many of there conversations, but once he discovered his feelings for her, he is unable to pause and consider her feelings for him. He states in a possessive way that she is his person and asked the king for her without consulting with her. He is controlling when it comes to what he wants, which is a shared characteristic of a future king.

I love that the characters are flawed in a lovable way, and will probably grow with each other. I love the honesty in these two's relationship, even if it can be painfully honest. They both are able to express how they are currently feeling to each other.

Both Hae Soo and Wang So act on protecting love. Unfortunately for Hae Soo, her loved ones might be opposing each other (and she may be an unknowing catalyst to some of that), and it is impossible to protect everyone. I think in her trying to protect her loved ones, she will be in danger, and Wang So will have to be pulled in to protect his most important love, Hae Soo. HIs maybe extreme actions to protect Hae Soo then may continue the cycle of hurting those whom Hae Soo care for.

I'm so excited for the next episode!!!!!

[Evelyn C]

2 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

 

I was drinking my coffee while reading this, haha. 

 

That fooling around or goofing around, im pretty sure there's only one person who leads the pack  

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He seems like such a fun guy!  I hope he stays like this for a long time...

[sukbin]

3 hours ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

My doubts same to same...

Its the inconsistency with character writing by writer who wrote HS  as one inteligent, self dependent gal who could look at WE stuttering act to understand he had crush on her why could not she read reaction of WW or WSs for that matter as any love/like towards her.

But for that makeup part.. I guess she was a makeup artist in 21st century and being it a part of her job she dint think of it as any more intimating than WS considering  killing people as cruelity.. (possible we can find more clarification on her act by someone else too)

There are so many posts which I find very hard to back-tracked but yours attracted me the most.

If you allow me to give my two cents on this, the reason why Haesoo couldn't sense that Wang So is falling in love with her is because she is in denial. It is the same case of when you already have a boyfriend, yet finding yourself drawn to someone else and may be the other person has shown the interest, but with your conscious mind, you know that this could not be right and therefore denying everything including his subtle hints of interest towards you. Subconsciously, Haesoo knows that Wang So has fallen for her but her conscious mind is telling her a different thing. By right, it's easy to sense his feeling with a clear state of mind, but we know that Haesoo is in no such state. She could easily tell that Eun has a crush on her because there was never any feeling involved but the same can't be said when it comes to So. The subconscious mind is always a step or 2 ahead of the conscious mind. The subconscious already know something and it takes the conscious mind to finally reach the same place and to admit which will eventually lead for one to finally act on it. But those are just my opinion.

My interest now is regarding the forced kiss in the previous episode. Yes, I admit that I was all out with my ranting last Tuesday but now that I have cooled off, I could view it in different perspective. How would So and Haesoo ended up at the beach? The costumes that they wore are the same as when the forced kiss took place. And I remember watching that she resisted the kiss only to stop and him to finally pull back. So, that brought me back to the memory of a stolen picture on set where So and Haesoo shared a kiss. Could it be that she reciprocated his kiss after he pulled back and that she had stop resisting? And probably that is the reason that they ended up at the beach. I am really curious but Monday is just a day away, so I still can wait.

Finally, I just realized that there's another SukBin here. 

 

[hallyus]

What I observed from this thread is that once spoiler picture comes out, it runs like light. So fast that whenever I keep refreshing the page, there will be another additional page comes. So proud! 

I just want to mention about the contrast they show through this scene... (By the way, am I the only one who feels fluttered when looking at this picture?)

How dark Wang So is represented, and how white Hae Soo is. It is like YinYang (陰陽) the dark and the bright. Both are completely in different sides, contrary, opposite, but they are obliged to be with each other in order to create balance and dynamic to the world. The darkness in Wang So's clothes shows all the possible masculinity traits that exist in him. It also shows his feeling: the anguish, mixed with the anger. Meanwhile Hae Soo's clothes shows her innocence, her purity, and her being defenseless. Both of them are too beautiful to see.

I was hoping that Hae Soo will aware about the situation she is in through Wang So's poisoning incident, but I don't expect her to be beaten like that  it's too much for me to handle. Not to mention she will lost her protector so soon?? Lady Oh... is that why you look so sad here?

I'm hoping that Gwangjong won't repeat the same mistake that his father do to Lady Oh. From Lady Oh's story, I get the vibes that both her and Taejo was a lover, only Taejo doesn't want to give up the position and end her to be in Damiwon. What's the point of seeing the same story? 

[KdramaAddict]

Lovely hair..

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41 minutes ago, sukbin said:

There are so many posts which I find very hard to back-tracked but yours attracted me the most.

thank you for your compliment and it means a lot for a person like me who cant write long posts cause i cant keep my thoughts consistent.

41 minutes ago, sukbin said:

Subconsciously, Haesoo knows that Wang So has fallen for her but her conscious mind is telling her a different thing. By right, it's easy to sense his feeling with a clear state of mind, but we know that Haesoo is in no such state. She could easily tell that Eun has a crush on her because there was never any feeling involved but the same can't be said when it comes to So. The subconscious mind is always a step or 2 ahead of the conscious mind. The subconscious already know something and it takes the conscious mind to finally reach the same place and to admit which will eventually lead for one to finally act on it. But those are just my opinion.

Subconscious vs conscious level does make it clear a bit and her denial may be the right reason to describe why she dint notice (or noticed but dint pay attention). And also to add when Eun came for his confession WW-HS was not advanced so much in their relationship so that dint cloud her judgement as she did not have any feelings for anyone yet...

41 minutes ago, sukbin said:

My interest now is regarding the forced kiss in the previous episode. Yes, I admit that I was all out with my ranting last Tuesday but now that I have cooled off, I could view it in different perspective. How would So and Haesoo ended up at the beach? The costumes that they wore are the same as when the forced kiss took place. And I remember watching that she resisted the kiss only to stop and him to finally pull back. So, that brought me back to the memory of a stolen picture on set where So and Haesoo shared a kiss. Could it be that she reciprocated his kiss after he pulled back and that she had stop resisting? And probably that is the reason that they ended up at the beach. I am really curious but Monday is just a day away, so I still can wait.

same here.. after watching the episode again and again i am also seeing the kiss more in context to understand WSs reaction. Were costumes same on beach need to check that again ?

And did you watch the scene only of SBS version cause in international he did pulled her back for second kiss and eventually she stopped resisting and then he stopped kissing and starts looking at her with some expression (I couldn't able to read yet)

 

[Table122000]

3 hours ago, Akiddo said:

http://www.hk01.com/韓迷/44871/-步步驚心-麗-IU送毒酒李準基飲到噴血-第十集預告愛哭慎入

summary of ep 10/11 (in Chinese)

Basically Hae Soo was supposed to be put to death for poisoning CP. Oh Sanggong stepped in to take the blame. The rain scene was Hae Soo pleading for Oh Sanggong.

 

Maybe Court Lady Oh takes the blame for 2 reasons-to save Hae Soo and because she is already dying? We know she's been sick with severe stomach pains and can't eat and the royal doctor couldn't help her. I'm thinking she might have cancer or some other terminal illness and Lady Oh knows it so she feels she can make the sacrifice because she doesn't have long to live anyway.

[faeriealice]

3 hours ago, MoOnLoVeRz said:

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Moon Lovers - Scarlet Heart Ryeo new stills of upcoming episodes
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Holy richard simmons, well I can see why IU says the episode was fun, it must have been especially fun for her to do perform a part so differently from what she usually plays! Damn that interrogation session gonna be crazy.

Man this episode is gonna be good. Let's go IU! SHOW THE NAYSAYERS WHATCHA CAN DO!

On the otherhand: Court Lady Oh ; _____ ; Omg, I hope they don't kill her off this soon! TT___TT

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[junee22]

35 minutes ago, sukbin said:

 

Finally, I just realized there's another SukBin here. 

 

My dear..I'm sorry if this offends you..but I'm laughing at this..coz,you see..I thought you're the same person..and I too,just realizefD it when you point it out..well,glad havinhG the two sukbin/SukBin here..love you both and your analysis'.

Again @MoOnLoVeRz thank you..your pics was the Match that lit the fire on this thread..yes,I know I said gud nite..couldn't sleep coz I'm enjoying read all of the thoughts here ...aahh the love of the drama

[faeriealice]

2 hours ago, notintoyou said:

 

Youre right it's not a feminist piece. But isn't it a little disturbing people are romanticizing a forced kiss ( and declaration of you're mine, when she says she isn't his) and blaming Hae Soo for not returning his feelings? Even accusing her of liking it in the end because she stopped struggling. It's not even portrayed in a romantic light.

Media has a huge influence in our society... This isn't just for this drama, but many others as well. Even when the scene isn't romantic, people are interpreting it as such because they're supposed to be the end couple. It propagates the idea that this fictional relationship dynamic is normal for IRL relationships.

 

You are right about that. But I think the key to prevent 'romanticizing a forced kiss' in any drama or story is how it is directed and the atmosphere which the actors/writers are in charged of creating. I felt they did an excellent job with the delivery of HS x WS forced kiss because I felt we the audience could experience and see how complex it was. They did a good job making it uncomfortable to watch (as it should be - it was by no means supposed to be a romantic kiss), but at the same time, made our hearts hurt because of the turbulence of emotions coming from both characters and how it was filmed. This is actually why I love the International Edition of the kiss more because it made us feel both uncomfortable and did a better job conveying the emotions spilling over.