[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[millie10468]

Poor Lady Oh. She's the one who least wanted to be involved with the struggle for the throne and yet she's the one who'll be the first casualty through no fault of her own.

Lady Yoo's going to be happy her rival's going down for good, even if she wasn't able to get Su for now. However, it's also possible she was attempting to kill two birds with one stone: get rid of both Su and the King's trust in Damiwon. Either way, she wasn't really going to suffer a loss with this poisoning business. Like people have already wondered, why was she aiming for Su anyway? Was it to get back at So for cutting ties with her? Remember that she knows So is connected with Su (from when So told her to curb her greed right after she attempted to punish Su for those herbs). But I'm wondering how important she thinks Su is to So if she was getting back at So. This leads me to believe that she really was trying to undermine Damiwon since she's aware that they could heal CP. That's why the poison was not lethal. It was carefully calculated to hurt CP but not kill him. Hence, is the reason So didn't die when he took the poison on behalf of CP.

The King's also going to be in a very shitty position, if Lady Oh was his previous lover. He can't save her either (nice parallel here with So) since she'll confess to the crime. I hope the sadness of having to kill his loved one is what makes him eventually pass away.

As for Su, I'm going to be sad to see the end of her exuberant naivety. Definitely, she should grow up and finally realize exactly where she is but that maturity and growth is going to come at the expense of her youthful exuberance. Now it makes sense why she was made to be naive and too happy considering her circumstances in the previous episodes. From modern day Go Ha Jin, to sheltered Hae Su, to maid Hae Su, to tortured and hopeless Hae Su--no one can say she lacks character development. And it makes me glad to see the two leads have such drastic opposite trajectories regarding their character developments. Su's becoming more hopeless while So's becoming more hopeful, thanks to Su. I won't be surprised if we've seen the last of the Su from episodes 2 and 3. Luckily, So had a chance to be acquainted with that Su before life happened to her.

[solelylurking]

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@fathiayunia hai dear.. Yah selamat datang ke club orang2 yang mendedikasikan seperempat waktunya buat MLSH deh ya.. Jangan harap bisa tidur. Hahaha..

@dhia205 Lah kenapa dah dia kayak gitu? Tapi thread kita memang jalannya ngepot sih.. Mungkin bener juga dia kebanyakan backpedaling. 

 

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Ada ada aja dah ya.. Tapi gpp sih seru juga. Jadi inget thread reply 1997. Nah itu baru post war hahaha... 

 

Edited September 24, 2016 by LyraYoo
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[zerovk9x]

36 minutes ago, kilovekyo said:

 oh gosh what happened to Hae Soo? i got shock see the pics, Wang Sooo....please take care her, as i said in my previous post maybe.. he will get angry how people around him done this to Hae Soo, he will hate it and maybe took revenge.

@MoOnLoVeRz thank you for pics.

Please sharing with us chingu who knew story from C version about this scenes, thank youu T_T poor Hae Soo and Wang So, they're cruel.

You can back read one or two pages and there's already a rough translation of the text review for the next episode (Sorry I don't remember the exact page number so I can't give it to you). The K-adaptation has taken a different route to the C-ver but if you're still keen on knowing what happened in the original version then here it is:

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In C-version, the 8th prince and his gang set up a plan against the 4th prince (it has been so long so I no longer remember what he did exactly  ). However, the 13th prince took all the blame on himself in order to protect his 4th brother whom he has been so close with and received the punishment from the King. In that situation the 4th prince couldn't do anything otherwise the King would think that he was involved in the 13 prince's case and was eyeing the throne. Ruoxi, however, couldn't stand watching her best friend being placed under house arrest without doing anything. The rain scene occured when she was trying to save the 13th prince by begging for the King's forgiveness. She kneeled in the rain for hours and after the 4th prince learnt about that he went to find her and shielded her from the rain. He also gave her a hug and it has become an iconic scene of the drama.

 

[bingewatcherinsomniac]

52 minutes ago, yuuqiikeke said:

Hi guys, it's my first time posting here!  Just a question though, don't know if anyone asked or said before, why would Queen Yoo used a poison that was not lethal enough to cause immediate death if she wants the crown prince dead?  Hahaha of course I know if the poison was too lethal, the show would end there 

On a side note, I can't wait for monday to come to see those scenes come alive on my screen!!!!  Can I fast forward the time like what I do when watching boring drama? hehehe

 

My speculation, it was intentional that the poison was not lethal because it was not really targeting crown prince's life, but her scheme was mainly aimed for DAMIWON as a whole to frame them in some gravely sin. Remember in episode 9, when she confronted Yo for being a failure at rain ritual, in anger she vowed to set DAMIWON on fire. This was the manifestation of her vengeful idea, and haesoo most likely handpicked as a perfect scapegoat, she's been on her radar ever since she treated crown prince disease and helping wang so covering his scar, she wants to get rid off her for good. 

And since she can also sense her importance towards wang so, it would be a huge blow for him to lose her. So yes, she cleverly killing two birds with one stone. Not to mention that lady oh (probably her source of jealousy) would eventually step up for her. Oh well.. what a good day for evil Queen. LOL. 

And here I am, I just have to brace myself for the upcoming heartbreak and prepare a huge bucket for my tears next Monday.. 

[wordsmyth0253]

On 9/24/2016 at 6:07 AM, dramu51ch0c10ve said:

 

I remembered the part where WooHee said to BaekAh something like "If you are BaekAh then I am your attendant".I know I read someone posted that in a story, the "attendant" (I blame the eng subbers cos I know that's not what their conversation meant) was supposed to meet Baek Ah at the same spot where they first met on midautumn festival.

 

 

About this, the subs don't make sense because they need a bit of context. The nickname Baek-ah is the Korean pronunciation of the Hanja 'Boya' (伯牙) - as in 'Yu Boya' the more or less legendary qin player from the Chinese warring states period. That's why U-hui scoffs when he introduces himself as such - it would be like meeting a street musician claiming to be Mozart. But of course Baek-ah is all, 'No I mean I'm really called Baek-ah' heh. When U-hui quips that if he's Baek-ah, then she's his 'attendant' I believe she's referring to Boya's dear friend Zhong Ziyi, who could always envision whatever it was Boya was trying to express with his music. It was said that when Ziyi died, Boya broke his qin and never played again, for there would never be another who could understand his music like Ziyi did. It's from this that the Chinses word 'zhiyin' (知音) - someone who understands the sound of your heart, kind of like a platonic soulmate - originates. So while she's only making a quip, the unintended subtext is that she's the Zhiyin to his Boya and that they're therefore 'soulmates' (not that she's trying to imply that at this point, but I think the Korean audience is meant to get the allusion). Hope that clarifies things!

[kaoriharang]

13 minutes ago, alna0507 said:

But i think is indeed queen yoo is the one that want to poison CP, but the one that frame HS could be YH.. may be she aware of So feeling for Soo and want to get rid of her so she can have So...

 

 

 

perhaps, if it shows that YH is working with the Queen, but if she wants to be you know queen right and she wants So. then Isnt the Queen and YH's goal sort of opposite, though they have a current common goal to get rid of CP, but still later on it would work against them?

[SukBin]

11 minutes ago, arabela said:

  

thanks for your ideas!

I also believe she is not in love with WS now and this will come in the future. And I also think that her feelings to WW are real and meant to be taken serious - these feelings will transform soon probably in just friend feelings, and they never were so strong as for WS, but it doesnt meant necessarily they were superficial or untrue. My opinion is that she falled in love with WW, but she will fall in love for WS at a more deep level and for the rest of her life. 

But I am having a different accent when is about her feelings toward WS   and I hope is ok for you to share it, cause we can agree to disagree

Also she more or less clearly rejected Eun, but for sure she wasnt encouraging him , I dont find her being so clear when it was about WS.  My perspective is that neither WS feelings, neither her are white and black and there is no clear cut point. Their feelings accumulate uncounscioulsy and transform and grow and reach a point where they become clear and conscious - for WS that point was in the singing scene and then after make-up scene he wanted and could assume what he was feeling - this is why he said " remember? I said this to you once. Now or then, or when you touched my face I make up my mind". I find this very credible, Some people fall in love at first sight, but for many of us falling in love is a process that beggins sometimes even with antipathy, flows through curiosity, caring, friendship, a form of unconcious attraction, and just after sometimes we realise that not knowing when we are in love with that person. 

 For HS that point it will be in the future. But till know there are, for me at least 2 pieces that could rise up questions: one is in the end of ep 4 - when they look into each other for a second and then look apart both of us, like they were "embarrased" (it was for WS also, and we can have some sort of confirmation as this was one of the 3 moments he remembered when he was on the lake after the singing scene); and the second one is when he first tried to kiss her after the make-up scene- I know for you she seemd just shocked ... for me ... I saw her shocked in other scenes and it doesnt seem to me to be just shocked .. or let me put it other way ; she wasnt shocked like she was when she discovered him almost naked, without the mask, in the bath ... I find it more to be the shock someone feel when the guy you are unaware attracted touches you - the shock is from what you feel not from what is happening ... like in the second kiss - I just have to think what if it wouldnt be forced by WS, but for example the 3th prince, would she reacted the same? if the 14th prince or the Crown Prince, or Eun would try to kiss her, would her reaction be the same?  would be the same kind of shocked? the same kind of refusal? the same kind of her body reaction? ... I doubt that .... 

but of course this is just speculation and I know there is room for plenty other ideas, other arguments ... and you could be right

Human Heart is mysterious , no one can correctly decipher someones feelings solely based on their actions... which leaves us to each of our own interpretations... only thing we can do is share them and discuss....  which we are doing right now...

One point you made is had other princes kissed her would the reaction be same ... i would say No and Yes at the same time.... No because she would not have feared them like she fears So and Yes because except for Wook she would have rejected everyone of them kissing her the same way she did to So...

[arabela]

LOVE THIS " Time passed slowly, the intensity of the rain did not change, the fierce wind and torrential rain were like infinite whips, thrashing the heavens, the earth, and everything in the universe with all it’s might. Even though the cold had already penetrated my body, my heart slowly filled with warm thoughts. The whole sky was full of wind and rain, but one person was accompanying me through this suffering! Enduring! Hurting! Grinning and bearing!"

[shiraru]

The new stills are killing me, seriously!! My heart hurts...oh my...It seems that episode 10 is where the 'fun' begins...IU said it's on episode 11, but maybe 11th episode is where the conflict is resolved and Wang So x Hae Soo finally and officially becoming a couple?

I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously I'm hoping Monday would come faster, but I don't want to see our leading characters suffering again... 

[pigsflyy]

Although I'm behind with speed of this forum, I enjoy jumping around and reading the discussions. Really helps my anticipation for the next episode.

I love Wang So and can see why people are defensive against Hae Soo's rejection, fear, and change of behavior towards.

But if you think about it rational. This girl probably never believed in time travelled...yet travelled 1000 years..

Then she starts having crazy visions about a friend being king, who without her help was the black sheep of the family and seemingly was as much of an outsider as she is. It must be crazy to know that your actions had that much influence. She is fearful because she cares for the majority  of the princes (maybe currently in love with one), and having hazy knowledge of the future king (the person she unknowingly helped) killing them must be scary.

The second vision of Wang So killing Wang Eun and his wife is the final straw for her fears.

If she was able to time travel, it is not much more of a stretch for her to believe her visions will come true.

It is sad that her fear currently overshadows all the potential good she knows of Wang So, but then again she is not yet in love with him. As of right now, she loves a person who might fall victim to Wang So more, and wants to protect him and the other princes.

[KdramaAddict]

1 hour ago, Adnana said:

Queen Yoo's primary objective all this time has been to kill the Crown Prince. It just doesn't make sense that she wouldn't use a lethal poison. Which begs the question: after drinking that poisoned tea, how the heck does 4th Prince survive?

sorry to cut ur post...

And i did wonder about the same if CP was Queen's aim and WS ended up drinking it how he is still alive ?

Was this poison has to do something with CP's allergy...like it would be more lethal for CP cause it has the content dangerous for his allergies and WS survived cause he dint have any...I am still not sure how WS survived but thats all i could thought of

5 minutes ago, arabela said:

LOVE THIS " Time passed slowly, the intensity of the rain did not change, the fierce wind and torrential rain were like infinite whips, thrashing the heavens, the earth, and everything in the universe with all it’s might. Even though the cold had already penetrated my body, my heart slowly filled with warm thoughts. The whole sky was full of wind and rain, but one person was accompanying me through this suffering! Enduring! Hurting! Grinning and bearing!"

and that bold line defines their love in all thick and thin, in all good and bad facing all together and coming out as just One.

[blue003]

One of the greatest thing about this scene in the c version, was that,even though there were hardly any dialogues between the otp, you could feel the intensity of their stares. She finally tells him, that she understands his intentions and accepts his thoughts. Later on when the eighth and 14th prince goes to her, the director shows the relationship. With eighth, her first love had moved on and was urging her to take care and the 14th who hid and bought food for her showed his thoughtfulness and that he d take care of her no matter what.

As the earlier posts have pointed out, this is exactly where HS starts to mature and realizes what exactly is going on... If WW had anything to do with this plot, she is going to break off all ties to him and start growing on her own... And the tables will turn in HS-WS relationship, where WS will be the one reassuring her that no matter what happened, he will always be there for her

 

[flower4junsu]

Desperately waiting for monday to come.....

How can I survive??

Rewatching ep 2....replay the bath scene 200 times!!

Rewatching ep 4......replay the delivering mea....back hitting.....accidentally meet at the bridge.....enjoying first snow together....200 times!!!

Rewatching ep 8....the make over scene...200 times!!!

Keep on replaying the forced kiss scene 1000 times...

[zi4r]

49 minutes ago, notintoyou said:

 

Youre right it's not a feminist piece. But isn't it a little disturbing people are romanticizing a forced kiss ( and declaration of you're mine, when she says she isn't his) and blaming Hae Soo for not returning his feelings? Even accusing her of liking it in the end because she stopped struggling. It's not even portrayed in a romantic light.

Media has a huge influence in our society... This isn't just for this drama, but many others as well. Even when the scene isn't romantic, people are interpreting it as such because they're supposed to be the end couple. It propagates the idea that this fictional relationship dynamic is normal for IRL relationships.

 

 

I agree with you on one point. The romanticizing of the kiss that is being done by the audience is frankly disturbing. The kiss is supposed to signify the greatest hurdle in the relationship... an indicator of the vast difference in their stations and the vast distance their love is supposed to go through. (Because at this point, she is his, just not in the way he hopes her to be... He DOES own her body, just not her love.) The kiss was not meant to be a symbol of love.

 

But I feel the need to preach here a bit. Please bear in mind that "You are mine" usually means something entirely different to males of high stations in the past. It usually means "You are my subject"... (Okay, now I know feminists like myself are going to explode, but hold your horses). It means "You are my responsibility", "You are under my protection". In many period dramas, many males of higher stations will say to their loved ones "You are not allowed to die/leave without my permission." Then, the modern female audience gets annoyed. But trust me when I say this... Such proclamations are sources of comfort and great relief to people of the past (especially females). So judging those sentences according to our very modern standards is truly ridiculous, and it also belittles females in countries where, even today, such proclamations of protection from their male partners are still very much a lifeline to them.

 

Now back to the previous thread of argument.

Just because the audience might react/misinterpret that way, the dramas shouldn't have to avoid such a scene for the OTP couple. Such uncomfortable and disturbing scenes are what stretches the art... and what would gradually make the audience more mature in their assessment of the dynamics in the story. As you say, media has a huge influence in our society, but that doesn't mean we need to molly-coddle the audience; media is supposed to provide space for growth of the audience's worldview, not hide all the uglier parts of human interactions.

The part red-highlighted by me... I feel it's a bit of a stretch. I doubt there are many people who feel portrayal in fictional relationships are that much translatable to RL... especially given how far apart the time period is from ours.

On the other hand, IRL, no matter how "perfect" your relationship might seem to be, it's not without struggle. Both partners may sometimes go through episodes of irrationality (like HS and WS were in that scene... HS being out of her mind with fear and WS being out of his mind while wallowing in rejection/self-pity from interaction with mom). True love and commitment is not about avoiding such incidents; it's about being able to get past them TOGETHER and being able to forgive one another. As such, it's the same for our OTP.

I am pretty sure in the coming episode, WS (and the audience) will come to realize the kiss is more damaging than facilitating to their relationship. We'll have to wait and see.

Edited September 24, 2016 by zi4r
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[arabela]

2 minutes ago, SukBin said:

Human Heart is mysterious , no one can correctly decipher someones feelings solely based on their actions... which leaves us to each of our own interpretations... only thing we can do is share them and discuss....  which we are doing right now...

One point you made is had other princes kissed her would the reaction be same ... i would say No and Yes at the same time.... No because she would not have feared them like she fears So and Yes because except for Wook she would have rejected everyone of them kissing her the same way she did to So...

 

yes, you are right, we cannot corectly decipher feelings only by actions ... we have to wait the next episode to understand more her reaction

till then, I can only hope that she would say No to my question  - (meaning she would say she would reject them in a more dramatic and transparent way, and that she is not able to be so clear when is about WS, even is a kiss she didnt wanted it; and this is not related to her being afraid to him)

BUT is only 2 days apart from Monday and we will find soon !!!! 

[yuuqiikeke]

4 minutes ago, bingewatcherinsomniac said:

 

My speculation, it was intentional that the poison was not lethal because it was not really targeting crown prince's life, but her scheme was mainly aimed for DAMIWON as a whole to frame them in some gravely sin. Remember in episode 9, when she confronted Yo for being a failure at rain ritual, in anger she vowed to set DAMIWON on fire. This was the manifestation of her vengeful idea, and haesoo most likely handpicked as a perfect scapegoat, she's been on her radar ever since she treated crown prince disease and helping wang so covering his scar, she wants to get rid off her for good. 

And since she can also sense her importance towards wang so, it would be a huge blow for him to lose her. So yes, she cleverly killing two birds with one stone. Not to mention that lady oh (probably her source of jealousy) would eventually step up for her. Oh well.. what a good day for evil Queen. LOL. 

And here I am, I just have to brace myself for the upcoming heartbreak and prepare a huge bucket for my tears next Monday.. 

 

Hey thank you for your reply!

Scheming queen she is, however her plans are always disrupted by WS hahaha. But this time, even though her plan didn't really go her way, I think she managed to get some reaps from this poisoning incident. Sigh, I guess the evil has to win sometimes too, for the plot to move forward. 

I am too, also bracing for this monday's episode. Haven't been able to study well for the whole week after seeing episode 10's preview HAHAHAH.

[solelylurking]

So, according to the spoiler pics, the tortured/jailed scene is on. Will the fleeing/jail breaking is on too? I can't wait!!!

 

[qwenli]

ahahhhhhhhhh, i wanted to abstain from this thread till Monday, until I saw the pix of that CLASSIC scene of the 4th shielding Soo in the rain. THE classic scene in the original. Its going to be so heartbreaking, so awesome.

Beware! There is no turning back for their love now.   They are officially in a relationship, period.

That's how crazy the scene will make me.  

[TheRoadNotTaken]

36 minutes ago, shiraru said:

The new stills are killing me, seriously!! My heart hurts...oh my...It seems that episode 10 is where the 'fun' begins...IU said it's on episode 11, but maybe 11th episode is where the conflict is resolved and Wang So x Hae Soo finally and officially becoming a couple?

I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously I'm hoping Monday would come faster, but I don't want to see our leading characters suffering again... 

 

But Wang So drank the poison to save her if she was going to be punished even if the CP didn't drink it why did Wang So go this far then ?  gotta wait till Monday to find out I guess   

Edited September 24, 2016 by LyraYoo
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[flower4junsu]

10 minutes ago, pigsflyy said:

Although I'm behind with speed of this forum, I enjoy jumping around and reading the discussions. Really helps my anticipation for the next episode.

I love Wang So and can see why people are defensive against Hae Soo's rejection, fear, and change of behavior towards.

Wang So x Haesoo.....

Gu jun pyo x geum jandi....

boys over flowers goryeo version