[Drama 2013] Thorn Flower / Spine Flower 가시꽃

[elegance1]

I know this has nothing to do with the drama, but I was wondering if any of you guys were getting interested in the new drama that's in JTBC? It's called Cruel City and it has been showing some teasers which I found very interesting and I will definitely watch it if they make it available and I hope some one will make some subtitles to this drama or else I will try to find it unsubbed and try to understand. I really look forward to see Jung Kyung Ho, he's such a great actor. 

[samara34]

I saw them too, they were really good.Very mysterious, dark and mature, I hope the drama will be as good as the teasers ^^

[Auntie Mame]

Nagging questions: 

Why did Hyuk Min want to keep secret, from the rest of his family, about Jennifer's supposed inheritance?  What's his motive?  Does he really love Jennifer or just for her money?

How was it possible for him to transfer ownership of the house to his and Jennifer's name, without his father knowing?

He and his mother have an 'interesting' relationship.  /:)

And, the drama threw us another red herring with the wake-up next morning scene because it was obvious that Jennifer had a brilliant 'Ji Min' idea and spiked Hyuk Min's drink.  8-}  No incestuous relationship problem.

As I said, of all the nasties, Seo Won leads the pack.  One gives a single chrysanthemum only at a funeral.  But, he brings it to President Kang's bed.  The message can't be any more clear. 

Interesting how the deeds of the evil ones are being replicated by the avenger.  President Kang falling down the stairs, just like Se Mi's father.  Soo Ji losing Hyunk Min's baby, just as Se Mi was supposed to have lost Jae Joon's baby.  So, we should look forward to Mrs. Min getting into a car accident.  But, what disaster will befall Hyuk Min, Seo Won, Seo Won's father and Ji Min?

I can see Hyuk Min and Seo Won dying in a fiery car crash.  And, both Seo Won and Ji Min having their careers ruined because all their dirty secrets are exposed.  ????

Lastly, are there no bars except for 'Blue Moon' in all of Korea?  And, does Blue Moon have no other customers except for this group of people?!  =))

[Triton823]

Interesting question on Hyuk Min.

I'm still puzzled by the president though. He comes across as evil, but when he learns of who Jennifer really is...BAM 180 degree turn in behavior. This change in him makes me think he loved her mother...not sure though...still waiting on subs to come out which to be honest...death is faster than the subbers, but I ain't complaining about it though.

[Auntie Mame]

Triton823 said: Interesting question on Hyuk Min.

I'm still puzzled by the president though. He comes across as evil, but when he learns of who Jennifer really is...BAM 180 degree turn in behavior. This change in him makes me think he loved her mother...not sure though...still waiting on subs to come out which to be honest...death is faster than the subbers, but I ain't complaining about it though.

[Triton823]

@Auntie Mame. I agree with your statement on Hyuk Min. When he found out that Jennifer was supposedly "filthy" rich he shut his trap. I agree with you there. He's only in it for the money.

[baduy]

I doubt if the President ever loved Se Mi's mother. We can be sure she would never have come anywhere near loving him, even if he hadn't raped her. But if he has ever had thoughts that Se Mi might be his daughter, then he would have regretted her death, especially since he knew his son was responsible for it and he'd had to cover up for him, and hence he would feel relief, at that moment of revelation, that she was still alive.

But there's something else. As I said some time ago, on the scale of badness this writer has set up, rather like Dante's circles of Hell, the President isn't as deep down in the evil depths as his wife. And he was clearly appalled to find that his wife had engineered the murder of Se Mi's mother. Especially as his flashbacks indicate she had an additional motive, beyond wanting to stop her going to the media: namely that when she caught sight of them earlier that evening with the President pleading with Se Mi's mother, she had a sudden suspicion that they had some sort of history and so there was an element of insane jealousy in her murderous reaction. The President is clearly scared of his wife, and who wouldn't be? Maybe part of what he was trying to say was that he wouldn't want to harm Se Mi because his wife and son had done her such appalling harm already.

@Auntie Mame, re the house transfer in particular, that question puzzled me, but the issue came up again in today's episode, though it was equally puzzling that when Jennifer today told her MiL that the house was in her name, so she couldn't be thrown out, and MiL couldn't hope e to raise money against the house to help her acute cashflow problems, that seemed to come as news to Evil Mom and Ji Min, even though Jennifer had told them both about it several episodes ago now.

But I didn't really get a clear idea of what was going on today, because during the live stream Showboom's capture hardware was in that mode where it tries to render a 16:9 picture in 4:3 mode, with side effects on the sound quality as well, so you can't see any detail on screen and the sound is fuzzy.  That sometimes goes on for hours before somebody at showboom notices and gives the hardware a prod. There seemed to be a couple of closeups of legal documents concerning ownership transfers that viewers were expected to read off-screen, but that was quite impossible to do that on the jagged fuzzy picture. I haven't had time to rewatch properly yet, but I'll see what I can make of that point when I do.

EDIT: Forgot to add that there was another document shown in long-drawn-out closeup today that wasn't legible on the distorted live stream, but this one didn't need to be, because Nam Joon's mother, who found the document concerned while cleaning what is presumably Seo Yeong's room, read its title out aloud. It was the adoption certificate showing that Eun Seok is indeed not Seo Yeong's real son, thus confirming what Nam Hee had already said must be the case.

Re the Blue Moon, one of the things that were clear enough from the sound track today despite all the showboom buzzing was that when Hyeok Min asked Seo Won where he had taken Jennifer, he told him it was the Blue Moon by using an untranslateable but very telling turn of phrase, one that literally means "little mother".  In Korean usage, "little mother" as a kinship term can have two distinct meanings. The one perhaps more frequently encountered in Kdrama is your father's brother's wife (i.e. it is one of the half dozen or so words for which English has only "aunt") But it is also used to mean "stepmother" -- but only when the birth mother isn't on the scene, maybe because she died and the father remarried your "little mother" your father is divorced from your "big mother" so your "little mother" is bringing you up.  So Seo Won is being woundingly sarcastic when, addressing Heok Min, he refers to the Bue Moon (owned of course by Yang Hee) as "your little mother's joint".

[baduy]

Since I'm not sure when I'll get time to watch ep 65 properly and report on it, here to be going on with my translation of the text preview for episode 66

 
Because Jennifer has broken her promise not to sleep with Hyeok Min, his mother tells her to leave the house and return the ownership of the property immediately, but Jennifer replies that if, after the full month is up, she still hasn't won her mother-in-laws's favor, she will give the house back and leave of her own accord.

Soo Jin tells her mother that she plans to use the expected birth of her child to force her way into Hyeok Min's family. Her mother says she will take measures to stop her doing that, but that only increases Soo Jin's resolve still more.

His mother asks Nam Joon is it really true that Eun Seok isn't Seo Yeong's child, and he finally confides in her that Eun Seok is Jennifer's son.

[baduy]

Unlike most other episodes this week, there's rather a lot in the dialogue of last Friday's ep 65 (and in the Korean text of no less than three separate legal documents held up to the camera for viewers to peruse) that it would be pretty hard to figure out from the visuals alone.
 
Continuing the cliffhanger sequence, as Jennifer stoops to tidy up the stuff Ji Min has flung all over the floor around Je Joon's feet (cleaning up after the rest of the family being another of the daughter-in-law's duties in the absence of the housekeeper) she pointedly doesn't respond when Ji Min addresses her as Se Mi. After the main part of her clearing up chore is completed, she stands up and with a puzzled air asks Ji Min whether she's talking to her, and if so, why is she calling her by someone else's name. Ji Min retorts that those photos make it obvious why. With a meaningful glance at her husband she says it's perfectly plain to anyone who knew Se Mi well that Jennifer is Se Mi.

Evil Mom follows the direction of her daughter's gaze and asks her son-in-law does he think so too, but he bluffs his way out of it by saying he'd intended the throw the tin container and its contents away and he's going to go to put them in the trash right now. Ji Mi calls out to ask why he's doing that instead of backing up what she just said and tries to go after him, but her mother holds her back and drags her off for a private word, rebuking her furiously for continuing with such nonsense.
 
Left alone, Jennifer salvages one photo she'd deliberately hidden under  her foot, and retrieves a few more that had slithered under some furniture and remained unnoticed. Pondering them before hiding them away in her desk, she addresses her old self as if she were a dead loved one and says it must be hard for her to see the kind of life she is now living in her rebirth as the very different Jennifer. But it's the path she's chosen and there's no going back.
 
Her musings are interrupted by Ji Min who storms in, still frantic with frustration at how her mother refuses to believe her, and continues her insistence that she's seen through Jennifer. Jennifer responds with a rather weary smile, partly like someone humoring a dagerous lunatic (which is what she's been manipulating Ji Min into appearing to her family and friends to be), but partly with a knowing air that implies she concedes Ji Mi is correct, but also knows that she can prevent Ji Mi from being believed or doing anything about it. She points out that the reason she's here is that Hyeok Min loves her and wants her as his wife, and since that's the case, Ji Min should drop her futile attempts to get rid of her. Ji Min counters that this is "their" house, so why shouldn't she be thrown out.

Jennifer's smile becomes even more pointedly patronizing as she asks has Ji Min still not taken in the fact that this house no longer belongs to her parents, let alone to her, but is jointly owned by Hyeok Min and herself, so that Ji Min remains there merely on suffrance. Perhaps a sight of the title deeds might help convince her of that, she adds, and hands over the documents for Ji Min to scrutinize, with the camera lingering on the page that duly certifies that the joint owners of the house are Kang Hyeok Min and Choi Seo Hyeon (Jennifer Dyer's -- equally fake -- Korean name) [Putting together various indications from earlier scenes, it would appear that President Kang made the house over to Hyeok Min out of fear that his family might lose it if the investigation led to the confiscation of his personal assets, and Hyeok Min, having thus become the house's sole legal owner, had every right to transfer a half share to Jennifer, as Jennifer now gloatingly points out.] To drive home her point, she takes on a reproving tone and asks Ji Min "Don't you realize that I hate you every bit as much as you hate me? So would you like me to ask you to leave?" she asks, with mock politeness underpinned by distinct menace. Ji Min advances on her, saying she's going to kill her, but Jennifer gets her in an arm lock, and, with all pretense of politeness dropped, tells her not to even think of forcing her out, otherwise she'll quickly regret it.
 
More frantic now than ever, Ji Min rushes back to her mother, still clutching the house title deeds. It seems her mother hadn't taken Jennifer's earlier statement that she part-owned the house seriously either (even though Hyeok Min confirned it at the time) because she's just as horror-struck as her daughter was when she sees the title document in black and white. She goes to confront Jennifer, who placidly advises her to pull herself together and have a nice cup of tea, saying that making her co-owner of the house wasn't her idea, but Hyeok Min's. And she blithely adds that the same applies to the idea of giving her a 5% stake in Taekang.

That bit really is news to Evil Mom, as Jennifer well knows full well. But there's worse to come. Evil Mom indignantly protests that even she has only a 7% stake, meaning she could barely outvote Jennifer if it came to a conflict among the stakeholders, but Jennifer, keeping up the air of a nurse cheering up a terminally-ill patient, says that sadly even that's not the case, seeing as how the President has given a 2% stake to Jin Yang Hee, who has in turn granted Jennifer power of attorney, so she in fact carries as much clout as Evil Mom where the company is concerned.

While Evil Mom is stil digesting that, Jennifer tells her confidentially that the President, unbeknown to his wife has, according information Yang Hee passed on, stashed away large sums of money abroad, oh and yes... he owns a magnificent vacation villa in Hawaii that his family know nothing about. Evil Mom is so taken aback that she has to retreat to her bed, to which Jennifer escorts her with a great show of smarmy concern, saying that she hadn't meant to alarm her like that, since she naturally assumed she'd known these things already. Leaving her mother-in-law in a state of collapse, she wishes to herself that she could lie down and rest, too. But she's no time to waste.
 
Hyeok Min is with mock casualness asking ex-detective Seo where his ultimate loyalties lie: with his father or with his mother. Seo replies that it's with his mother, of course, thinking that's the safe answer, but Hyeok Min then violently attacks him for spying on Jennifer and reporting on her to his mother behind his back. In particular, when he spotted Jennifer emerging in tears from Je Joon's office, why did he report that to his mother, but keep it a secret from him? Does he really not know who now really calls the shots in the company? Seo assures him that he's got the message now.
 
No sooner has Seo left than Evil Mom calls in fury, asking whether he wants to see her dead, because that's what's going to happen if he keeps on acting this way where Jennifer is concerned. He professes his total love and devotion to his mother and says everything he's doing is actually is in mopther's best interests, as will emerge in due course if she trusts him, whereupon his mother resorts to an intense but plainly fake attack of the weepies. To placate her Hyeok Min says he'll come home early and they can have a nice meal together. No sooner has he hung up than his mother turns off the waterworks and puts in a cheery call to Soo Ji.
 
There's a cut to Jennifer coming back to the house and we find out what that call to Soo Ji was about, because she's there cooking a meal for Hyeok Min at his mother's request. "So you've taken on the housekeeper's job round here, have you?" Jennifer asks snidely. Soo Ji retorts that cooking a meal for the father of her baby doesn't exactly equate to working as a domestic helper. And she goes on to claim that even though her baby's heart is only miniscule as yet, she senses it beating faster every time Hyeok Min's voice is heard. Obviously even at such an early stage, the baby plainly recognizes its father, she adds. Just then, Hyeok Min is heard coming in and calling out for Jennifer. Jennifer wipes the superior smile off Soo Ji's face by remarking "Strange, though isn't it? If the father of your baby is so fond of the baby's mother, why is it always me he comes looking for?.

After embarrassing Hyoek Min and his mother having a boisterously lovey-dovey moment, Jennifer returns with then to the dining room, where Evil Mom puts on a great show of surprised delight to see Soo Ji and the results of her culinary devotion and praises her to the skies as the sort of daughter in law she really wants. Jennifer refuses to join in the meal, saying she'll get back to the hospital and take over from Seong Min at the President's bedside.

Je Joon has met up with Ji Min and is assuring her he'd meant to throw those momentoes of Se Mi out long ago, but with all the distractions of adjusting to work at the company, it had slipped his mind. But they're now all gone for good. But Ji Min can't let go of the impression the photos made on her, renewing her conviction about Jennifer's identity, and she wonders how come Je Joon doesn't have the same reaction. He insists that the idea Se Mi might still be alive is absurd.

We go back to the hospital, with a scene that seems aimed at emulating the standard daily drama philosophy of making everything abundantly plain many times over. So just in case we didn't get it already, Jennifer says (aloud) to the President that she's talking to him (aloud) because she suspects that, just as in her case, he's able to hear everything that's being said, even though he can't move or make any sound. And just in case we'd forgotten what sort of horrors she went through in her own coma, she tells herself, and the President, and us all about them again, though the accompanying flashback scenes can hardly be for the President's benefit. She's just concluding by asking what she ought to be doing to the President in his helpless state that would match what was done to her, when Seo Won shows up for a visit.

He's brought with him a single white carnation which is, as Auntie Mame pointed out, the traditional offering made by mourners at a funeral, and he lays it on the bed in the same way it would be placed on the memorial shrine at a wake. Then he sits down to tell the President a few home truths, although since he's just assured himself by close inspection and by checking up with Jennifer the patient is well and truly out of it, we realize that what he has to say is actually meant for Jennifer's ears. She knows that, too, and is careful to react as Seo Won, in his mean-minded way, assumes she would react. Drawing on his inside knowledge of the accusations the President still faces, Seo Won lets the President, and Jennifer, know what he already told Ji Min in an attempt to get her to run off the the States with him, namely that the President is likely to be disgraced and that his former friends in government circles are preparing to drop him. He also blames the President for his father having to take refuge abroad, though he's ostensibly only there for specialist medical care. Knowing that if the President goes down, he will go down too because of all the years of corrupt association that will come to light, Seo Won's father has had to renounce his positions of power in Korea and will be attempting to start over abroad, just as Seo Won himself said he would do if Ji Min were prepared to run off with him. And the President himself, if he wakes up, will be likely to find himself heading for jail and his family in destitution, so maybe it would be better for all concerned if he never woke up at all.

Jennifer takes all this in with some surprise, but also with an acute awareness that Seo Won is saying this to make her think twice about the advantages of marrying into Hyeok Min's family and consider him instead, now that Ji Min has given him the final brush-off. This plays wonderfully into Jennifer's hands, with her wish to set Hyeok Min and Seo Won into violent conflict, and she immediately acts to exploit her advantage by coming on to Seo Won, relying on his vanity to hide from him her true motives and feelings.

Seo Won remarks that it's rather stuffy in the hospital room, and Jennifer agrees with him. So, he asks meaningfully, should they go get some fresh air together. Sure, she says, she'd like that. That leads Seo Won to look at the President and say that "old guy" there would really hate if he knew the two of them were going on a date. Jennifer, pretending to be revealing a sad secret, remarks that the President wouldn't perhaps be too upset, since neither he nor his wife have accepted her as their daughter-in-law as yet. So much so that she and her husband, though living under the same roof, haven't yet slept together. Hearing that, Seo Won thinks his boat really has come in. He's amused at the thought of the couple's celibacy, and taken in by Jennifer's act of being really upset about it. We can almost see the thought bubble as he thinks he can supply Jennifer with what she's apparently missing a whole lot better than his friend if she gives him the chance, and to his delight and amazement, she appears to be more than ready to do just that.

Back at the mansion, the meal is over and Hyoek Min is telling his mother and Soo Ji that he's going to the hospital to join Jennifer. Soo Ji immediately says she'll go along too, since she's yet to pay the President a hospital visit, and his mother overrules Hyeok Min's surly objections. Soo Ji takes her leave of Evil Mom, saying she'll be back tomorrow to cook dinner again, and sets off with the reluctant Hyeok Min. No sooner has the door closed behind them than Evil Mom is on the phone to Jennifer, ordering her to come right back home, since Hyeok Min will soon be arriving --- with Soo Ji, she adds pointedly -- to relieve her at the bedside.

After apparently agreeing to these instructions, Jennifer turns to Seo Won and asks shall they be leaving? Will it be alright leaving the President unattended, he asks in some surprise, but she says that Hyeok Min and Soo Ji will be along any minute now. You'll be heading straight home, then? Seo Won asks tentatively. No, says Jennifer with a distinctly inviting little grin, let's you and me go for a drink somewhere. Seo Won really is  thinking it's his lucky day now. As they leave, he takes the white carnation away with him [though why he whacks the potted plant with it on the way out baffles me: maybe plant-whacking has a significance in Korean culture that I haven't enountered yet, so I'd better keep watching those cultural TV documentaries over on mvibo].

At the bakery, Nam Joon's granny, mom and sister are doing a major spring clean of Seo Yeong's room in her absence. In the course of which mom comes across the adoption certificate that confirms Nam Hee's suspicions were right, and proves that Eun Seok isn't her sister-in-law's biological child. But she keeps this discovery to herself, for now.

Hyeok Min and Soo Ri arrive at the hospital room to find Seong Min alone with the President. When Hyeok Min is told that Jennifer left with Seo Won, Hyeok Min is furious with suspicion and jealousy, which is, of course, just what Jennifer intended. The information clearly sets Soo Ji thinking too.


"Somewhere", as again Auntie Mame has aptly observed, always means in this drama the Only Bar in Town. We join Seo Won and Jennifer when they are already about two-and-a-half inches down a large bottle of Canadian Club whiskey (though the lingering close-ups of that beverage container aren't so much meant to convey that information as to make sure everyone gets to read the product-placed label). [incidentally, that line of text on the title screen shown before each episode means "This program contains indirect product advertising" which is somewhat clearer than the enigmatic little letter P that UK stations are obliged to display for ten seconds before dramas with product placement, making viewers wonder what the heck TV programs have to do with car parking.]

Jennifer's phone rings, and with a wry grin, she rejects the call. "Hyeok Min, I guess?" says Seo Won. "I'll be getting a call from him too, any second". And so he does, though he actually answers his phone, because he wants to gloat. Hyeok Min demands to know is Seo Won with Jennifer, then insists on knowing where they are. "That's a secret" Seo Won replies, and when Hyeok Min loudly insists on an answer, gives the reply whose meaning and calculated offensiveness I already tried to explain in a post just after the episode aired, namely that they're at the joint owned by Hyeok Min's "little mother", then hangs up.

Hyeok Min is leaving the hospital withount even a cursory goodbye to Soo Ji. When she protests, he gruffly says that something urgent's turned up and he has to go meet a business client, but she plainly sees through that and says she'll come with him, a suggestion he silently ignores.

Soo Ji's nerve obviously then fails her a little (though we'll soon see what she resorted to to stay in on the action) because Hyeok Min arrives at the Blue Moon alone, to find the pair a good four inches further down the bottle (fast drinking, or slow driving: possibly both). Jennifer is feigning deep slumber (a reprise of the scene in the car by the ocean, of which we're about to be reminded very shortly). Hyeok Min advances on Seo Won with raised fist, but Seo Won stops him in his tracks with warning that if he so much as lays a finger on him, he'll land in jail. He produces from his pocket an indictment for assault drawn up in response to the beating Hyeok Min gave him at the beach and says he'll file it immediately unless Hyeok Min backs off. He takes out his phone again to instruct his assistant to do just that, whereupon Jennifer decides to wake up and pretend to be innocently and aimiably drunk and apparently keen for all three of them to party on. She manages not to turn a hair when Seo Won alludes to the way he and his father saved Hyeok Min's bacon after a certain "accident" way back then, and then goes on to warn Hyeok Min that now that the Taekang star is rapidly waning, it's no longer in his interests to toady to Hyeok Min or his father as it once used to be. Resisting Hyeok Min's pleas to go home with him right away, Jennifer declares that she won't leave till the bottle's empty, and makes very inviting eyes at Seo Won.

At that moment, Soo Ji enters the bar, accompanied by Nam Joon, to whom the barman urgently whispers something as he comes in. We find out what it was after the couple take a seat in the main body of the bar, when Je Joon warns Soo Ji that Hyeok Min and Jennifer are in the private room at the back. She knows that, she says. She explains that that's why she called Nam Joon out and asked him to accompany her to the Blue Moon [a woman can't go into a bar alone in Korea, no matter how respectable both the bar and the woman may be] and she apologizes for thus making use of him. No sooner has she made this admission than Hyeok Min emerges with an very unsteady Jennifer from the back room. As they are passing Soo Ji and Nam Joon without acknowledging their presence, Jennifer stumbles and Nam Joon catches her, leading Hyoek Min to yell at him to get his hands off her. Nam Joon gets to his feet, spoiling for a fight [this appears to be the scene that somehow erroneously got into the preview for an episode the week before last] but Soo Ji restrains him and Hyeok Min and Jennifer leave.

Back at the house, Hyeok tucks Jennifer up in her bed and tells her she needs some sleep, but she gets up again and says she'd like to do some more drinking with her husband. Hyeok Min's certainly up for that.

We return to the Blue Moon to find Seo Won now also emerging from the back room and going up to Soo Ji and Nam Joon, who have apparently been sitting in silence the whole time, lost in their separate troubled thoughts. Seo Won, after a contemptuous greeting to Nam Joon, pretends to be surprised to see the two of them apparently drinking together. Especially, as he pointedly adds, when he's heard Soo Ji is pregnant. But then, with an insolently insinuating look at Nam Joon, he remarks that maybe her baby isn't Hyeok Min's after all. Nam Joon doesn't rise to the bait, saying he'll overlook it because it's just the drink talking. But Seo Won assures Nam Joon he's not that drunk, and that he's sober enough to know he's talking to the man whose probings into Taekang and its connections have jeapordized his father's reputation and threatened his own career. Just what lies behind his campaign, he wonders. Nam Joon calmly replies that when the law finally takes its course and everything comes to light, Seo Won will know the answer plainly enough. Seo Won leaves and Soo Ji congratulates Nam Joon for not letting himself be provoked.

At the house again, and Jennifer and Hyeok Min have gotten through a bottle of wine. Jennifer empties her last glass from that bottle first, and says she'd like to drink some more. So Hyeok Min goes to fetch another bottle (just as he did that fateful night) leaving his still half-finished glass in very easy spiking distance. We can be sure Jennifer puts her little white powder supplies to their by now familiar use before he gets back and she begins to be distinctly amorous towards him. She's playing the same trick on Hyeok Min that Ji Min once played on Je Joon, though for very different motives. But the main dupe of her trickery is meant to be Evil Mom, and it works exactly as planned. Next morning, Evil Mom comes into Jennifer's room, and an apparently horrendous sight meets her eyes...

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I just took a look to see if mvibo had deigned to release subs for ep 20, but no. It looks like they really are planning to stretch their subscribers'  payments out over as many months as possible before letting them  understand and enjoy this drama to the full. All the more cynical of them because they're so determined to make sure no-one else even attempts to violate their exclusive rights by subbing it independently. But as the only available English subs get further and further behind the live episodes, those who want to keep up with this drama but don't have the necessary level of Korean are going to get more and more frustrated. So I'm going to take a break from posting for a while, since there's little point in staying so far ahead of the point where people can watch with subs. I may resume if mbvibo eventually gets more of a move on.

 

[elegance1]

@baduy - Is it alright to ask you questions about some of the episodes? Because I still watch the drama without subs. 

[baduy]

@elegance1 It never does any harm to ask, especially since some people are watching via the c-subs which come out within a couple of days of the episodes airing, sometimes even sooner, and they may be able to help.

I myself may not me able to give useful answers though, because I won't have much time for drama viewing this coming week, and the week after that I won't have reliable access to streaming videos for a lot of the time.

But I'll try to keep up with the text preview translations, even when I can't yet view the actual episodes.

Here is the text preview for tomorrow (ep 67)

Hyeok Min's mother, accompanied by Jennifer, goes to see Jin Yang Hee and asks her whether the President really has a vacation villa in Hawaii, and whether he has given her a 2% share in Taekang. A lively three-way exchange ensues.

While Hyeok Min and Jennifer are together, Soo Ji shows them photos of Jennifer with Seo Won. When this produces no reaction from Hyeok Min, she produces still more photos, this time of Jennifer with Nam Hee and with Je Joon.

Jennifer, looking at her parents in the photos Je Joon had preserved is overcome by loneliness and weariness.  She is frightened by the way that the sort of person she is is gradually changing.

[elegance1]

Is anyone else still out there who fully understood ep 66 and 67? There's something I am wondering about. Please! 

[Guest atomickitty]

what are you wondering about? post it and am sure someone will answer.. or try to.

[elegance1]

And one note too. Am I the only one hoping for some more drama? It looks like it's picking a bit up from the last scene in episode 67 where we can hear the president calling on Se Mi. I am still wondering .. even after the choke-thing, did he call her name in hate or love? 

[baduy]

elegance1 said:  even after the choke-thing, did he call her name in hate or love? 

[Guest atomickitty]

Maybe because I don't fully understand the language, I too feel the past few episodes have been dragging. I expect everyone to find out she is Se Mi around episode 80 and the remaining episodes will be the fall out, then clean up. There's only 13 episodes till 80 and I feel there's lots Se Mi should/could be doing. Looks like she's having a bit of a crisis of conscience. I am also waiting on pins and needles to watch the episode(s) where Je Joon finds out 1) the child he is raising is not his and 2) Se Mi was pregnant with his child. He seems to be getting along better with his wife so I am very interested in his reaction to this news. Will he shrug his shoulder, leave the family, or seek revenge? He seems like the shrug shoulders type.

[Triton823]

I do say I love the fact the the mother and son are both evil that they are going to plant a fake will. I'm hoping this is a wake up call to that old man (president). But like @atomickitty says I'm waiting for the crap to hit the fan with Je Joon when he finds out that his wife lied to him and that Se Mi was pregant with his child. He's going to hit the roof on that one!

[Auntie Mame]

Je Joon hit the roof?  He might as well hit his wife.  Better results.   

Nam Joon is really Jennifer's conscience.  If it is possible for anyone to save Se Mi from herself, it will be Nam Joon's presence calling her back to humanity.  /:)

But, as the revenge dramas have taught us, one had better commit to going all the way with ones life on the line.  Otherwise, don't even start down the path to venegence.  It doesn't work to go half-hearted  or half-way.  /:)

[Triton823]

let us look at the failure of GM >

[Guest atomickitty]

Oh, my stars....
I've been waiting for this particular sh!t to hit the fan for a while now; Je Joon's discovery of both secrets. Looks like it will happen in the next episode (or next 2, depending on how they skew the previews). I Can Not Wait.