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@partyon for Q1, I’d like it maintained as nature vs nurture. Then add the answers from @LeftCoastOppa that HJ is not predispose to evil etc. etc. So our chingus can choose what they prefer. You’ll be adding ‘none of the above’ too right? More than enough choices.
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@partyon the first Q is not solely on HJ but also on HW.
If HJ is not a bad egg then she will be a ‘good’ person on being with the dad and HW would be evil because it’s ‘nurture’.
@liyahsbutterfly comment that HW is a hypocrite may be another answer to Q1.
For other questions all answers should be maintained. Let us choose any one or two etc.
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Question 2:
Will there be more deaths? It’s been awhile since someone was killed.
1) YC is declining, not as fast as real brain cancer patients, but dying. He is next.
2) They are keeping Chase and Attorney Baek alive so that one of them will die at the end.
3) YC’s sister is next. She can be removed without affecting the story.
4) MIL twin has double crossed too many people, she’s next.
Question 3
Will HW go to jail?
1) No, the little traps she set for the doctor and her allies were not recorded
2) Yes, for committing BDE to an asylum by manipulating medical reports
3) No, Attorney Baek is kept in the show to play his most important scene, defending HW.
4) Yes she will, together with Chase who has been assisting her.
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2 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
So you just ignore what we've been shown in the drama, is that it?
Prior to the split, and Hye Won's decision, we were shown nothing about Hye Ji that would give any credence to
I was not ignoring what was shown, you were. There was no reason for her to show bad behaviour, HW had been the protective older sister until the time they split. She was protecting HJ by taking her place with her father. Later, it was shown that it was a misunderstanding.
2 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:were physically abused, but Hye Ji was often starved, Hye Won wasn't - Hye Ji was thrown out into the cold with next to no cloths Hye Won wasn't - Hye Ji was tortured with lies by her mother, Hye Won wasn't - Hye Ji was forced to live in squalor, Hye Won wasn't. Hye Ji had no real mother-
Ok even if I accept that she was abused worse than HW, she now is in trauma because of her life with the mother, why was she with the mother and step father as an adult? The people who put her through years of misery were them.
She was rude to them but they were rude people, from their scenes with Attorney Baek.
She had no trouble apportioning blame to HW and also the father when they first reunited, she was distant, cold and vengeful. She could not have been traumatised or she would not be able to be in the same house with the two without any violent reaction. She was not shown to have nightmares or phobias.
The trailer was done before the show was broadcast obviously, but subsequent episodes show BDE just doing things to catch an old rich man, being jealous of HW and then all the twists and turns only a bad person does.
I did not see her do anything good. Even her love for YG is more for ownership than for his well being.
the first writer may have wanted her to be a complex person, may be. At this stage, she has just been bad. She could have grown tired of doing bad things. But no. Even if she had killed in defence, unintentional for the housekeeper, the MIL was a weak sick woman and other lame excuses, she had tried to kill HW’s baby at least twice, accident with her in driving a lorry and HW in the lift. She’s vicious and HW is doing the right thing by shutting her away.
@LeftCoastOppa you can continue to cheer BDE/HJ, you won’t convince me. Since @partyon is here, I am going to work on the poll.
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3 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
The first ones that produced the drama's trailer ...
The story has changed, the characters changed. They killed off the overbearing old woman.
I can see HW flipflopping between good and bad, HJ is just bad. Even the mother who was supposed to bring her up badly, is now decent if not good.HJ is just a bad egg.
Question 1:
Would HW be the evil one instead of HJ if HJ had not chosen to follow her mother because of the ‘whisper’ from HW?
suggested answers:
1) No, HJ is just bad, she will use the abusive stepmother for excuse or something. HW will still be the normal sister with some issues.
2) Yes, the feckless mother and her henpecked husband will turn any child evil.
Anymore answers?
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@partyon I am giving the opportunity to others to post their Qs and As before passing them to you or they can pass them to you directly.
I am curious to know what people think of this show, earlier and now that the writer has been replaced.
We have 3-4 more weeks.
14 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:You say her decision doesn't matter because she was a child, the writer/PD say its the point. Its the foundation of the entire sisters warring dynamic.
Which writer?
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1 hour ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
please stop trying to blame Hye Ji for Hye Won's criminality.
In the same way you and HJ’s sympathisers are blaming HJ’s evil ways on a nine year old girl? HW reacted in the beginning but now she has no choice if she wants YG to inherit a company and not a bankruptcy.
I could go on and on too but a poll seems in order.
I’ll put the poll questions here before it to @partyon to be fair to everyone who can/ wants to contribute.
Tagging people who posted earlier and last 5 pages. Chingus if you remember anyone please tag them.
It’s HJ vs HW, it’s nature vs nurture, whose fault, etc. Etc. ???
@liyahsbutterfly @Lmangla @LeftCoastOppa @kboramint @S00mp1an @backstreetboysfan @Yazusa
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2 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
clearly indicates Hye Ji suffered more.
Art MIL served as Mentor, Sponsor, and Mother figure, remind me again who filled those rolls for Hye Ji? ... thats right - No One
Hye Won's no hero, she's just a lesser criminal.
True HW is no hero but when did she turn to illegal and criminal activities? When the self focused HJ started down the kept woman etc. path. It all started with her.
I am not going to say who suffered more because it would be comparing different situations but every action she took as BDE, her conscious self, was for what she wants, no matter who she hurts.
I am preparing a poll. So chingus we will see who is the root of all evil and who suffers most.2 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:thats illegal too - Oh and not to be nit-picky, but Hye Won agreed to it.
You omit that was the only way she could keep her son.
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3 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
First, its not her money to play with. Second, she's not in control at YJ, anymore, Third, even if she was, what she's doing is illegal. Its stolen money from an illegal slush fund.
Oh stop, Hye Won ate regularly, lived in a nice house, went to a good school, got picked up in a nice car ... with a driver .
The abuse Hye Ji & Hye Won suffered was NOT the same - they may have both been physically abused, but Hye Won didn't suffer in the squalor like Hye Ji did.
It’s money that belongs to YJ which was stolen by YC. Why shouldn’t she return it the company? It’s not a slush fund with money stolen from other sources. She lost control because BDE the manipulative, grasping woman worked with a public figure to oust her. The nasty old grandmother and YC agreed that she should head YJ because of her ability to manage. Getting YJ back on track will convince the other shareholders, she should chair the board. BDE granted is good at something but giving her the chairmanship of YJ?
HW suffered in silence, she couldn’t talk to anyone. Did she take out her misery on SD? That’s a nice normal person. BDE targeted a married man, yes she was good at it.
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3 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
Yep, again. That $50 million Hye Won has been playing fast and loose with, is the companies money. It was stolen by Chairman Romeo for his slush fund.
She needs the money to rescue YJ. She had wanted to split it with MIL twin to save both their companies but was duped by the twin? I FFWed that part.
4 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:Thanks for driving home the point - had Hye Won not changed the original plan, she'd be the "psycho" and Hye Ji would be the less criminal.
No she won’t. HW was looking for her sister, missing her even though she was abused under her father’s nose. She is a normal person.
HJ has taken after her mother, a grasping greedy woman who would also turn psycho when abused by the stepmother.3 hours ago, liyahsbutterfly said:did not feel bad for the nurse. 😂
Did she deserve death? HJ had killed 2 plus instigated one, should she be stabbed with a fork?
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HJ has just killed the nurse making it 3 plus assisting one. Chase seemed in distressed, would he be fourth? Poor guy, dying after being so loyal to HW.
She is a psycho.
Would HW kill HJ herself if Chase died? Then the greedy mother and her not so bright stepfather will have raise YG.
1 hour ago, LeftCoastOppa said:empathy for what her sister suffered through as a child.
She suffered too. Just in a genteel way. HJ is a bad egg.
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4 hours ago, backstreetboysfan said:
Here is the ratings for Episode 8!
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11th? That’s not good. Even Elegant Empire scored better in the earlier episodes.
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4 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
But yeah Hye Won, go on and tell us again how horrid Ji Eun's Mom is
She is a mobster with her henchmen. I don’t think HW has any illusions about how bad she herself will be.
I shan’t be surprised if the doctor’s henchmen were the ones who blocked HW and Chase’ car at the end.Something interesting coming up is that MIL’s twin gave HW a fake key, I caught that. Why get 1/2 when you can get the whole sum? How smart can HW be yo not think of that?
But it runs in the family. BDE managed to crawl out of the lift and she had to climb 10 plus floors of stairs instead of the lift because she had claustrophobia (but wasn’t she using lifts earlier on?), resulting in her losing the Chair election. I’d like to know why she did not ask to borrow the guard’s phone and alert her mates that she’s coming. Maybe get them to stall.
4 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:that betrayed her that she has no problem allying herself with -
- Chairman Romeo - who conspired to oust her from office, and all but kidnapped her son
- Hye Ji's female side kick ... a murderer
- The housekeepers daughter - who sold out to Hye Ji and filed false charges of murder and kidnapping against Hye Won
But yeah Hye Won, go on and tell us again how horrid Ji Eun's Mom is
That is what revenges are made of, an ally today a foe tomorrow and back again.
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1 hour ago, Lmangla said:
is this drama one of the lower rated ones or was elegant empire faring worse? I keep thinking that if this continues, will KBS also stop producing daily dramas like SBS or TVN?
I have seen soompi posters vs ratings which don’t sync.
I hope KBS won’t stop, I won’t have my daily giggle.
7 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:And just like that, Hye Won, golddigger step-dad, and 2 company secretaries, go full on criminal
One of them is the housekeeper’s daughter. Is she a secretary?
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2 hours ago, yamiyugi said:
at least this is my take on the situation and like I said I can easily be wrong.
I could be wrong too. I have very low tolerance for child abuse and/ or neglect.-
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HJ did not just blame HW for what her mother did or did not do to her, she was also very bitter and envious that things went HW’s way, happy marriage, pregnant and loving husband. She voiced that out in the early episodes. She would turn out the same way if she had stayed with the father because the stepmother was physically and verbally abusive. The fault of others.
HW is a different type, she does not hold a grudge against SD even though she had be unfairly punished by the stepmother. The father was blind and deaf to his daughter’s abuse. She felt guilty because she is the type to accept guilt and punishment, at least she was. Looks like, not anymore.-
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5 minutes ago, kboramint said:
In Korea, a person calls their aunt on their mother's side (mom's sister), Eemo and their aun on their father's side (dad's sister), Como.
Samchon is a term used to call their uncle on their mom's side (mother's brother), but you can use that term to call their father's side if hey aren't married. People normally call their uncle on their father's side... Jagun Appa if they younger than their father, and Kun Appa if they are older than their father.
I was wondering why ML called WJG Jagun appa in Third Marriage but forgot to ask.Does Korean have gender in the subject? He? She? I got the impression that it does not because I have been confused as heck when a man turned into she and her and vice versa.
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31 minutes ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
Whether they were children or not, it was that initial decision that formed the basis of Hye Ji's traumatic childhood/young adult years. More to the point, Hye Won clearly carries guilt for it as shown in her dream. I'd agree their parents never should've put them into a position to make such a decision, but it occurred, and Hye Won had a hand in it.
It matters whether they are children or adults. The courts recognise an action by a child does not carry the same outcome as an adult, unless the kid has the intent as an adult.
In HW’s case what was her intention? Envy, jealousy? If HW examined her initial intention was to protect her sister and she was taking her place, then she would not have felt guilty to see her sister as she was.Anyway, @LeftCoastOppa you can argue as you want. We can only blame our parents or neighbours or teachers etc. up to the point when we turned into adults. Then it’s one’s choices. HJ or the writer has chosen a path of bad choices.
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6 minutes ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
dream where she clearly expresses regret for telling Hye Ji to go with her mother as a child, clearly empathizing
The part where HW is viewed as guilty of sending off HJ with her feckless mother is never a guilt to me. Both were children.
9 minutes ago, LeftCoastOppa said:Hye Won, good intentions aside, put Hye Ji on the path down to her criminal present.
HW has done her share doing stupid things, eg, blaming HJ for killing JC is not too smart. But there are many others that HJ had committed without any motivation from anyone. She wants a good life, any which way. No one HW or YC had put her on the criminal path but herself. Maybe her parents had enabled her but I had not watch any episode of her growing up.
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43 minutes ago, yamiyugi said:
what revenge and what exactly was stolen by the helper. I mean compared to Man In A Veil. Over here nobody knows that anybody needs revenge at this point.
The FL was a young kid who was taken in by a stranger. Did she just wander off?
The amount stolen matters little if it changed her life.
There are issues here: young dependent kid and irresponsible thieving adult.In Taepoong’s case, SFL’s parent were complicit. He was autistic, it is criminal to take anything from him outside a buying/selling transaction.
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3 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
Hye Won did start this, albeit with good intentions - I think the writers bailed on Hye Won saving Hye Ji from
Hye Won can be blamed for starting their warfare if she had ignored what had happened to her MIL.
I would be quite nasty to my FIL’s kept woman if I loved my MIL as much as HW. If she had left the poor woman dying on the floor, as HJ did, it would be war too.So I don’t see how HJ is just a little girl in love with a rich old married man when she first met HW.
In my real case, do what you like FIL, no skin off my nose.
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Goodness, are they all living in one house?
BDE who had kidnapped and dastardly brainwashed YG lives there. His mum HW who had been framed by BDE is also living there. The MIL twin is also living there. Poor YG also lives there.
I hope I am wrong.-
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@liyahsbutterfly do you recommend ' A bird does not sing?'. It's so long.
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Any revenge starting? Miss Otoke should start getting back everything stolen by the helper.
In MIAV, Taepoong also lost his wealth to the helpers and FL then is the FL now too .
Deja vu.
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Deja vu.
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You are the best @partyon
A poll is to find out what Soompians think, if anyone had mentioned that HJ was a Romulan and HW a Klingon, I would have included it in a question or answer. Sorry, I know nothing of Game of Thrones etc. etc.