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The new preview is hinting separation again! lol. Ofc tvn wont be so nice after the preview of baekdo sweet moment, they had to ruined it. .

 

Until now I still believe and hoping baekdo endgame, the hints are there and its make sense but honestly the only one that still bothering me is minchae not knowing baek yijin, it is fine if she didnt know his father old name (if the changing name is true, because of debt/adopting theory, hence no trace of baekyijin name after 2009 and kim surname) she asked where is baek yijin then IF she understand after grandma pointing at him, means that she is familiar with him, but she didnt. . .so she really doesnt know his young father face. .like how come? Or baek yijin had plastic surgery. . .? lol. Or minchae is really searching for new father after her mom divorced? Gosh this driving me crazy

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The chemistry is beyond amazing wow 

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@bee_wannabe I think the main problem is interview 2009, when she just won the gold medal and she looks sad instead because of yijin, then the voice over that she will take everything and meet him. Idk if the writer just want to make it dramatic, but if she is truly living in the present and she just married, she wont look sad to see yijin, her looks totally feels like she is missing him, especially she just won gold and the whole nation watching her including her husband, why would she wants to meet him and take care everything? 

 

About heedoo and alkong because she was just teen at the time, didnt understand the love yet and she didnt even actually like him and waiting for yijin, full house already out before she reunite with yijin, but she didnt read it yet (eventhough hedoo loves full house so much!) so she was still waiting for yijin while dating alkong, alkong even admit that heedoo broke up with him because of yijin. Would she do it when she's adult too but its more complicated that she is already having child and married? Especially she already have experience of love and she is an adult, I think thats really not a good example of her 'living in present' while her heart and mind still live on the past, she will hurt people who loves him in process too including her husband and her child

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1 hour ago, Pixaiated said:

I just feel that it would cause serious whiplash if they just break up, there's a time skip, and Hee Do decides to marry a Mr. Kim offscreen. I don't know if the show is able to bridge this gap satisfactorily within two episodes, as well as close out all its other threads and side characters.

 

This is my major issue too, because up till 14 eps so far, baekdo actually doesn't really have decent screentime already, because there are a lot of side stories and character development outside them. They don't even date properly till now, it would be funny if the break up and heedoo+Mr.Kim story take longer than baekdo 'love' time lol.

 

How can they wrap up all things up, because in preview there are still heedoo and yoorim rivalry and friendship, yoorim always have her own arc too, seungwan and jiwoong, yijin family how he reunite and resolved their family debt (there was a spoiler about yijin scene with his family too), minchae arc, grandma being sick and heedoo in present time. . .still have to explain what happened during pre 2009, (IF yijin isnt mr kim) why heedoo married someone else and giving birth before the wedding, then why she divorced him in present time too. IF heedoo is still with the husband and not divorce, it's making worst too, how they explain why mr kim can  accept his wife loving someone else for that long. Ofc we still also have baekdo 25 21 scenes after really long wait. All are in 2 last eps lmao.

 

IMO it would be easier if mr kim is yijin, and lot a more sense too, They just can make yijin and heedoo have some problem and break up for short time then make things work together, like in eps 14 instead of forcing them to break up forever with the stupid reasoning like break up to 'protect the love' but then heedoo married someone else lol, only to see she cant forget her EX during her married time then she divorcing her husband for yijin like? its really ruined her character, the timing also dont match with her intense training and competition too, all only for the sake of reunion with yijin. But just like you said both of possibilties (yijin mr kim and not) have their own weakness, I think the writer really dig their own grave with this, its giving more discussion, theory and some plot twist, but its hard to wrap all things up with all those hints and spoiler before and make it more sense only with 2 eps (they have a lot of side stories too) 

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Tbh I dont really like the divorcee theory. I kinda feel bad for mr kim because his wife still loves someone else (interview, 2009), eventhough I love baekdo, it just doesnt feel right. It's hurting heedoo character too, like she doesn't respect his husband.

 

Honestly they dont need to make it complicated with heedoo marriage and have kid, it doesnt make sense IMO because she is always busy with practicing and competition, she is someone who never love anyone until yijin come and her life is all about fencing (taeri said this when introduce heedoo character), so it is hard to believe that heedoo already married with kid when she is also still active as athlete (usually woman athlete pospone their wedding/having kid because it can affect their carrer) especially not with yijin. .also knowing how strong minded hedoo is and her overall personality, it's just doesnt feel right and kinda forced. yijin is more believable to do it (dating/marriage) with someone else tbh

 

But it does make sense from the spoiler, because the last filming was on tunnel and middle age heedoo was there too. . I guess the ending is her reunite again with yijin in present time at the tunnel? They broke up there and reunite again there too. .

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3 hours ago, piluche said:

-HD doesn’t seems to remember the past memories as much with BYJ

 

Heedoo actually remembers yijin well, when she and grandma looking at yijin photos and remember that he looked young, then heedoo said 'ofc he was only 22'. She even remembers his exact age. The thing that she trying to forget is the beach memories but it was 5 friends trip, so it was not exclusively about yijin, she might be sad because of she and rest of gag aren't together anymore especially to what happened to yoorim (changed nationality and move to rusia)

 

About the interview, you really made a good point about heedoo, like I just realized now she just won gold medal and being on national tv but she looks like someone who missing her lover and incredibly sad with teary eyes instead lol. She shouldve look proud and happy right? the whole nation were watching her! Thats why if mr.kim is someone else then I would be really sad for him, his wife still have feeling to her past lover and her wife didnt even look happy after get her gold medal because of yijin lol. Do they have to ruined heedoo character like that? Heedoo become someone who cannot forget to her past boyfriend, not respecting his husband and her gold medal? And her daughter minchae also trying to searching for new father lol

 

@Sleepy Owl yeah heedoo said she lived in paris for a while because of her mom work, so if yijin stay at overseas, its not really surprising. Also about yijin adoption and debt, they also need to explain it, I dont think they just throw it randomly? Especially it has connection with the yijin name and yijin name is completely missing after 2009 (and the poster about kim do hee aka baek yijin), and ofc minchae not being baek but kim

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Lmao. IF baekdo never mean to be together, why they have to make minchae rooting for both of them so much and mr kim need to see his wife and her ex adore each other on national tv even his wife already made a plan to meet yijin. .a lot of yijin stuffs are displayed on her wife room too, even IF they wont introduce mr kim officially in drama, its still disrespectful, making heedoo not completely move on from the past and still in love with her EX, while the message that they are trying to convey is nothing last forever and the past stay as memories, living as present

 

@piluche I feel like you can read my mind lol. So much agree with everything you said! 

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@carolinedl ikr! The guessing game and all minchae scenes already ruined baekdo moment before, now they take it at the whole new level, after longggg waiting of their lovely and 25 21 moments, we waited for like the whole 14 eps, finally we get it on eps 15, but the they really going all out with the preview of separation lmao. The writer is really toying with us, I bet she is having fun behind the scene 

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@banghyeri I think because there was someone who claimed to be staff already spoiled about the sad ending and that news was trending on naver, so tvn just go and spoiling it too lmao. The timing is unusual too, because this is still wednesday, they usually release preview on friday/saturday lol, its like they forced to release the preview. I mean how can they spoiled the ending to viewers? how come? Nah I just don't believe it. Someone on twitter said in search WWW (25 21 writer previous work) the main couple also break up then reunite on last minutes of eps 16 (last ep) lol, so there is a hope yall 

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Guys I know everyone is discussing the theory rn, but I want to share this pretty shot from bts  

 

 

it is unfortunate that the shot wasn't included in actual drama because we can see clearly from yijin pov here, his gaze and acting are really heart fluttering

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@piluche thanks for your post. I totally agree with this part

 

6 hours ago, piluche said:

Now….let’s just say they gave love a try and it didn’t work out….but how???? What could possible pull at their relationship enough to break them up? I don’t believe that YJ being a reporter is enough to break them up. And if they did indeed broke up, then how did she manage to meet a new guy, get married, and have a baby during the times she should be training and completing? And I don’t think her husband is another fencer cause Minchae would have seen an article on her dad if he was a fencer. 

 

This is why I still believe baekdo endgame, no matter how you look at it, it doesn't make sense especially heedoo move to new man THAT fast, also that happen during her intense competition and training and when yijin is still around (the interview 2009), clearly they still love and miss each other from their eyes. Heedoo is strong minded person, even when yijin left without word (to his uncle house), when yijin denied her kiss and denied her love, she still come to him, she still wants and loves him, and waiting for him everyday in front of his house, just like she said no matter where she is she will support and waiting for him, she isn't someone who easily give up

 

Honestly the drama would down go so fast and become biggest disappointment IF they go with that separation ruote without legit reason and and just like your post, it doesnt make sense especially how baekdo relationship was built, the timing and their personality unless one of them is D, but yijin is clearly alive in 2009

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@-Love Blossom- agree. I think if they really want separation ruote, they shouldnt make it like baekdo are still in love especially for heedo, since she is married and have kid. And she said that she will support yijin with much love eyes on live TV and the voice over 'I will take everything, see you' is really the worst. .what makes her husband and her kid then? If they want baekdo separation then do it properly, not making them like they are still in love. .like whats the point then? 

 

Idk if I should share this, a 2521 staff (not official one, so take it with grain of salt) shared that 25 21 have possible sad ending, and the article is trending on naver, ofc the respond isn't good, full of sad and shock emoticons (since naver comment is off). But honestly I'm not sure if this really 25 21 staff because how can they risk their job for a spoiler? Or probably just a random person who frustated about this guessing game lol

 

Now idk anymore about the ending, but I still team #baekdoendgame tho lol

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6 hours ago, Apricot Tree said:

I also feel that the writer isn't confident. The show itself is great with stories about love, friendship and family relationship. Also, one of the show's message is about living for the moment, so why the writer and director play with our hearts with the present scenes? It doesn't make sense.

I was disappointed because the present scenes sometimes keep us forgetting about other humanistic lessons and stories in the show. Especially Ep 14, the clip in 2009 is the opening for the story of Yurim's sacrifice for her family as well as Yijin's sufferings about his job. However, the ending leads the viewers to the another controversy. It kinda ruins the meaningful stories of the whole episode.

 

 

Totally agree. I think the eps about yoorim is really well done and tell us more about the sacrifice, sometimes we only see one side of the coin, like how public only see yoorim as 'traitor' but she only did that for her family and how hard for her to make that decision, there is always a story that anyone dont know. 

 

And yijin telling us about being adulting is hard and you need to be profesional at work, need to put aside of your emotion and your private matter. This might be simple and basic common sense but a lot of youngster still dont understand (including heedoo!) I read some comments on twitter that telling yijin is selfish, but if adult watching that, they kinda understand his decision and profesionalism, even feel sympathetic toward him. But this guessing game is burried them all, even some people refused watching eps 14 after saw the spoiler about heedoo marriage lol

 

@chickfactor thanks for the infos! Really appreciate it

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36 minutes ago, kboramint said:

The difference between Business Propoasal and Twenty Five Twenty One is that BP is a straight up romantic comedy while 2521 is a coming to age dramedy

 

Lol I dont know why you have respond this because thats just my friend pick and had nothing to do with the genre, she just hate sad ending and 25 21 had that potential of sad ending, thats all

 

36 minutes ago, kboramint said:

This isn't a drama where the story revolves around a OTP and secondary characters that have no character depth and are basically one dimension. This is a story about a group of friends. All with their own character development. Anyway, unlike typical romantic comedies where the main point of the story is for the couple to get together. This drama is unlike that.

 

A SHIP shouldn't be more important than the STORY.

 

I think you totally missunderstood what I said, it has nothing to do with story of group of friends and the genre, I complained about the whole guessing game about who is heedoo husband? And its totally ruining otp moment just like what @carolinedlsaid. This drama already have great STORY, thats why the guessing game is not necessary at all and kinda ruined the mood and look how everyone's mad and focusing more about the guessing husband game more than the story itself, thats what I mean

 

Also I disagree that this drama is about story of 5 friends, because jw and sw dont have same portion screentime as baekdo and even yoorim, Sw and jw arc are quite short too, I think even heedoo mom have more screentime and better back story than them. This drama story is still revolved around baekdo, and before this you always said about the diary and first love story is about yoorim but no, its about baekdo. The otp is still the most important and the center of story, even the whole poster, teaser and synopsis are about them, not about the 5 friends

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@aria26 thanks for the theory. I actually already read that before on twitter but forgot to posting it here. Yijin could change his name to kim do hee, it was written on the poster and this hint about inheritence and debt already on the newspaper that yijin delivered in early eps. 

 

Honestly I dont think yijin being adopted 10 years ago is not just random fact like, why did the writer throwing that out of nowhere? Lets just hope that in the upcoming eps, yijin learn about this whole debt and inheritence then he searching for his real family, then change his name to kim do hee. That would explain why no baek yi jin after 2009 because he already changed his name

 

 

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@carolinedl IKR! The first eps reached 6%, thats quite high for the drama these day especially for cable channel, viewers already interested before we know about the 'kim' minchae, it could be higher without it, my friend dont want to watch because of that kim surname, and now watch business proposal instead.

 

I dont know why they dont have confidence and keep ruining the happy otp moments with the whole guessing game, when they have kim taeri-nam joo hyuk as main cast, its kim taeri comeback drama after 4 years, the writer and director are also famous, search WWW earn high praise, the director directed mr sunshine, the king eternal monarch etc. .just why

 

@bee_wannabe its okay, every theory is count, I even predicted before that yijin would d lol. 

 

About the cameo, its normal that cameo only come for minutes then its done and not comeback again. Even some cameo only show up for few seconds lol

 

About baekdo separation, I wonder if you guys believe that, what would make they separate? Like I cant think any reason unless yijin is d. When yijin left without word to his uncle house, they were still going strong they still believe and waiting for each other, any distance wouldn't be a problem. Their profesional relationship? I thought heedoo would learn more about yijin dilema at the end eps 14 then they reunite again, I'm sure it wont become an issue again. So whats the reason then? 

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@-Love Blossom- totally agree with everything you said. 

 

I will add :

- heedoo photo at the beach was belong to yijin but ended up at heedoo photo album

- The whole conversation between heedoo and yijin at 2009 was super weird especially that they done it on national tv and they said 'whataver I am, I will show my unwavering support'. Like how can they said that if they had nothing special between them. 

Then heedoo voice over 'I will take care everything, see you then' lol if heedoo had husband already, what make her husband then? why heedoo already planing to meet yijin when he is her EX and she already married and have a child? She should meet her husband first more than anyone. I agree about them being teary eyes, they miss each other because heedoo was busy, it does match with heedoo word 'I will take care everything, see you' means that she missed him and want to meet him soon

- heedoo workshop '25 21'

 

Since the whole this guessing heedoo husband is intentional, I dont think the writer will go with easy and obvious answer, since they throwing obvious hint about kim surname since day 1, I think they will pull the plot twist for the ending

 

But I agree with you that they actually dont need this guessing game since the drama already great, its only making people confused and some even drop the drama even before start watching. If only they focusing more on baekdo, like they did in early eps plus no 'kim' minchae I'm sure the rating would reached higher

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30 minutes ago, bee_wannabe said:

I think we all want baekdo to be together at the future/end. It's just some choose to prepare for the worst and others remain hopeful. 

 

Frankly i'm done predicting what baekdo future will be because the writer has proven her unpredictable way of revealing things (i was so shocked during the first 5 minutes of the live streaming). Even so i still enjoy reading theories as a way to cope with the aftermath of episode 14. You know saturday is quite long and no other shows catch my attention so every crumb related to 2521 is the only entertainment i have.

 

 

I personally already prepare for the worst (d word) since day 1 lol! My only complain is always baekdo screentime and their short lovely moment, I dont mind if they didnt ended up together as long as we have many of their moments. I hope 25 21 at eps 15 doesnt disappoint, please! 

 

I agree that the writer is unpredictable at this point, so I think the ending would be not what we expecting since the writer always throwing obvious hints that minchae father isnt yijin lol

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39 minutes ago, Dev11O said:

Watched ep 14 , I don't know anymore, are they together or not.

Their interview seemed sad , the longing was clear .

But ep 14 clearly belonged to yurim.

She chose family , no one can blame her for that.

And does that mean after becoming a Russian player she was never able to win gold at Olympics or any other games because , in the interview yi jin clearly said this was heedo's 3rd gold medal. Then becoming a Russian fencer made her fencing career worse?

 

Yoorim problem since day 1 was about her family issue, if she moved to rusia and solved that I think she would be happier instead, she always love her family more than anything and financial is always been her problem. About her carreer as fencer, even before she move she still lost to heedoo tho, How can her carreer is worsening? she still lose otherwise unless she can beat heedoo. Actually naturalization is normal in sport, I don't think being 'traitor' will make it stop or worse because they already move anyway, and many of them married to the local and find happiness. I hope yoorim can find her happiness in her new life

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@banghyeri true, thats why I feels weird too. Honestly I thought in earlier eps she is using the name because yijin was d so she feel free to use that name and want to treasure the 25 21 eventhough she married someone else it wont be problem if yijin was d, its not like she would met him ever again. if yijin alive then there is no way she would use that name unless he is her husband! 

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14 minutes ago, kboramint said:

 

She was googling them together to see if any news stories or scandles of them together are brought up since her mom is a public figure.  If Baek YiJin is her father then she could just ask him. Why is his father hiding who he really is from his daughter.  

 

 

More realistic? JW has never shown any love towards SeungWan. Nor has SeungWan towards JW. 

 

She google them because the diary ended there. . .Not because she  she curious about her father or dont know him, its more because she curious about their relationship. Then why she is rooting for baekdo if her father is different person? Is she searching for new father? Nahh

 

What I mean more realistic is compared to yoorim who move to rusia, unless jw also move to rusia, I dont see how their relationship is going to work? While he is always seeing seungwan in korea and their family is close, it could work to friendship to love because baekdo was also like that, but I dont rooting for them together tho, I just say its more likely than with yoorim, I hope they stay as friend and find their own happiness

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LMAO GUYS I ALSO HEARD IT. Lol it would be funny if this was true

 

18 minutes ago, LoveKDramaXoXo said:

@bee_wannabe exactly, why MC have to google her own father?

 

She wasnt just google yijin, she searching 'na heedoo baek yijin' why would she also google her mom then? It is normal if minchae is curious about her mom and her father story. And she is so excited and rooting for them, that is weird because I won't support my mom with her ex eventhough it was just her past relationship, whats about my father then? Unless yijin is the father, thats the only reason why minchae is rooting for baekdo. But we will see next week what would really happen

 

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1 hour ago, Phoenix Klaw said:

 

The show doesn't seem to be going for tragic, just bitter-sweet. I suspect she will be alive, and perhaps back in Korea after many years in Russia. Perhaps lost touch with the Taeyang gang. Russian husband and kids in tow for a reunion?

 

I would be happy if JW and her are together, but I heart Seung Wan more.

 

 

True, I dont think the show is being tragic at all lol. Search WWW have happy ending including the main couple. Yoorim will be find her happiness in Rusia, why would she would die tho? Her arc already ended at eps 14, she wont be on any arc anymore because we dont have time, only 2 eps left if she would die it would consume a lot of time, so eps 15-16 would be her arc again? lol. Then yoorim should be the main leads, not baekdo because her screentime would be too many. And remember we still have 25 21 baekdo, and minchae arc of her ballet and reading diary, grandma being sick, and ofc the most important present time baekdo. .

 

Jw and seungwan are more realistic because they are diaper bestie and been know for a long time compared to yoorim that went to rusia, but idk if they are going to be couple, because it seems awkward for them? I just hope they will find their own happiness, especially seungwan

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Have anyone seen this? The title of baekdo video is special connection between heedoo and yijin lol. This is seems weird to me IF they had normal relationship between profesionals or NOT related why the title was like that? Even worse if heedoo already married to another person, right? Lol

 

We still have hope guys, I believe the writer only trolling with us lol

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4 hours ago, kboramint said:

 

In 2009, BYJ congratuated Hee-Do on her marriage. She's a public figure, the media would try figuring out who the groom/husband is. 

 

It could be just a formality that he congratulate her since he is reporter and being profesional. But the whole conversation is weird when they said they will supporting each other, especially heedoo to yijin tho, no? Like why you said that to a reporter lol. Especially if heedoo already married to another person, heedoo said that on national tv? Nah. Idk if heedoo being pregnant first (baekdo was still in secret relationship) then only revelead later after they getting married? 

 

Well whataver it is, I still believe it (baekdo end game) because of some hints from the album, and the heedoo room is full of yijin, minchae bag and the 2521 name too, well minchae is also being weird that she is rooting for her mom ex? Unless that ex is her own father lol

 

I think the writer want to troll us, I dont think it would be that obvious if yijin wasnt the father for this guessing game and they actually want make a twist in the end. We will see it next week though