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4 minutes ago, koreaboooo said:
I'm wondering which one was handed over to LR since we saw the difference in cases. Is it current JTE's ID or LG's ID? But I do agree there might be a change in history. Something definitely happened in this current lifetime that didn't happen in the previous loop. Maybe she wasn't even going to lose the ID this time around so yoyo kid had to make it happen to fix the fate. Perhaps in the prior time loop she actually did lose her ID accidentally. Or change in events could be indication of a happier ending. Also with each more recent timeloop, I think prior timeloop LG trying to travel back in time to leave clues, so that also can change current events.
Or could be a Continuity Error. Its Like the Shoe, Blue shoe black shoe, plastic with a Hole in the middle or on the sides.
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40 minutes ago, mamabear said:
How? This plot translation sounds like Why do I need More Swapping, we need resoultions now arghh. Unless we get a S2.
Are we sure King is only a 16 episode show??
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4 minutes ago, mychoiyoung said:
Over at BOD I asked if the RING will play a part in the equation to defeat LR or to find a beautiful solution? That perhaps like in HP series – (Elder Wand, Invisibility Cloak & Resurrection Stone) – for one to be eternal? Have a peaceful Kingdom & still be with TE?
- The flute – instrument which controls time & portals. LG needs to get the other half so LR will be devoid of power, thereby protecting the two worlds
- LG already has the 4 Tiger Sword which obviously does not interest LR. But as the message on the sword indicates, it is crucial to vanquish the bad/devil (LR). This is LR's blind spot.
- The ring which LR used to have and he supposedly wanted to retrieve from the Prince. But I have questions:
- How did LR know the Prince still have the ring?
- He got it but still left with the Prince? Now that is strange!
Oh Friday please come sooner. Going crazy here for more theories! LMAO
Not Sure if Ring is a part of the supposed Trifecta , but LR maybe had the Ring because uptil LH's killing he also was a valid prince and the Previous King (LH and LR's dad) had given him the ring?So the ring was his uptil he was declared dead.
Prince Buyeong is a doctor, when LR killed his ROK doppleganger who had polio , besides the body he also left the Ring on his dead-body to erase any doubts that he should be declared dead in KOC. But LR knew his body would be examined by Prince Buyeong due to the suspicious circumstance and there will be examination which would have proven the doppleganger's polio which LR never had. Hence LR knew Prince Buyeong will not buy the dead body as LR's fully and will always doubt if he was still alive somewhere. Prince Buyeong kept the ring due to the doubt. And LG would have never wore or kept LR's ring anyhow.
Now when LR came back again he took the ring back , killed Price Buyeong and made him wear the RING, so as to leave clues to LG, that LR is lets say indispensable and not the one to be messes with, some sort of warning.
This is my opinion ofcourse !
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23 minutes ago, Umjicheok said:
So at the end even if they show 2 saviors , 2nd episode scene would still be right since he saw the eyes of his own.
(I am not taking that 2nd episode confirmation btw Lee gon and sin jae at it's face value either why? Bcoz LG just quickly pulls sin jae's hoodie , doesn't even look properly at his eyes and declares he is not the one.
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Yes, LG confirmed that SJ is not his saviour from whom he grabbed JTE's ID , then again baby LG never saw the Person who actually Fired shots and killed LR's guards, Baby LG saw the man who checked his Pulse (His OWN EYES) . This still does not confirm or deny that a) There was 1 or 2 saviours (I beleive there were 2), and b) SJ was the shooter or not YET.
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47 minutes ago, vangsweetie637 said:
I love all of our theories but remembering how LG just simply disappeared, I cannot help but think: I can accept time loops, time traveling, even time stopping, but I cannot accept a dream sequence!
or else, this is going to be me:
I SECOND that!! No Dream Sequence Please!!!
38 minutes ago, rambutan said:1. Ji Hun is dead. If he was alive, he would be have gone through National Service and LG's thumb print / DNA would find a match.
2. Shin Jae is not the second savior. LG confirmed it in ep. 2. If there was a second saviour, it would be JY, the bodyguard. If there was only one saviour, it would be LG (spoilers or not).
Again what? LG confirmed that JY would have saved him? In episode 2 LG himself did not know about Time-Reversal, how would he assume that JY could be/should be the saviour? What did we miss??
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16 minutes ago, gwin said:
Timeline 1 to me doesn't make sense for the following reasons:
1. If Lee Gon (second in line to the throne) dies the same time as his father Lee Ho, then Lee Rim would not necessarily become the King. He would have committed treason and would have been a wanted murderer. Plus, since he's a bastard child, I do not think he is third in line to the throne is he? It would still be Prince Buyeong.
2. If someone goes back in time, why would that person save only Lee Gon, but not save Lee Ho?
Timeline 3 also doesn't make sense based on what we have seen so far. If you look back on Lee Gon's reaction in the first episode when he gets to Korea, it is clear that he has never been there before. He asks Tae Eul questions and even goes to the library to research. If he has already been to this world before in a separate timeline, why would he do that in Timeline 3 again?
I agree here, Timeline 1 does not make any sense because the flute would always have in the possession of The actual KING. Even if Prince Buyeong had been the King, LR if succeeded in killing both LH and LG would have taken the SWORD and the Flute so time -reverse would not make sense, no other relative or Price Buyeong himself did not seem so lets say willful to completely erase their contribution from history.Moreover we have to focus on the characters already Fleshed out here ;;an X son or Y ancestor just over-complicates the Plotline IMO to be clarified within 6.8 hours left to be aired.
Timeline 3 explanation is same with what @gwin said.Does not really synchronize.
Uptil episode 10 start (LG gasps at the Laptop) is at-least the First Timeline, then maybe it could have branched out, not before that.
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5 minutes ago, gwin said:
She stayed overnight. Went there the night of November 11, then the day she explored Corea was November 12. She went back home on the night of November 12 (after Lee Gon made her steak dinner).
Haha I meant that itself grammatical error for overnight and 1 day around 24-26 hours.Sorry
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5 hours ago, Lisa_BB said:
My understanding here is that he was previously watching JTE's vid from 11/12/2019. He thought all CCTV captures were from that day. So when he saw the date, he wondered if it was a mistake. But then he noticed that JTE's clothes are different between the two vids he watched.
@SweetButtersJTE stayed for only 1 day/overnight in KOC in 2019 , one set of clothes was when they first kissed(Brown COAT), second set was the security guard clothes. JTE in 2022 video was not wearing either of those even if he thought initially that 2022 was a mistake he concentrated on the clothes and that's when he doubted altogether.He was obviously not watching a footage of the year 2022 in year 2019, that is why he crosschecked.
Isn't this the BLACK BELT JTE proudly talks about in episode 2-3? (This is similar to One of LMH and baby JTE spoiler pics?? ). I am not sure if this was given by future LG to her, or do Black belts have names written in Gold? Whosoever theorized why the father isn't bothered much and knows about LG earlier is maybe right somehow?
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40 minutes ago, deabakdrama said:
JTE belongs ROC since she is adopted daughter to Jung Do-in. (correct me if I'm wrong). T
When was The Adopted Scenario Mentioned?
The Most confusing and missing point is that How many times Has the KING experimented to Search INSIDE the Passage.
>>>Presence of 1 balloon which the King himself placed before episode 5 is now in multiple.
He does mentione He has spent time there but How many balloon pointers has he marked Or are the placement of Balloons due to his Multiple Time Travel attempts Is not Cleared uptil Now.
>>>He wanted to get hold of LR when he saw him in laptop then ran away to the passage, Alright!!But Did he seriously take the ROK money with him to call JTE? He had that much time in hand or again this was not the Linear Timeline we were watching...meaning THE FIRST Attempt to Search for LR instead it was the nth attempt??Then he actually took the money but Met JTE there itself that's why He also was CRYING.
Episode 11-12 to the Go!!
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3 minutes ago, Dramafreak said:
I couldn't stay away and ended up reading this line!!
Btw why is the chart in JY's hotel room so sparse? Why does it not have the names of Korean LR/Korean King's Father? Right now looking at that I kept wondering are these guys even doing anything while the world is literally going down the drain in Corea??
Poor King needs help!
Because Uptil 1:05:00 pointer of Netflix released episode 10,those who are in ROK still DO NOT KNOW THE GRAVITY of the situation. They are busy eating Bbq Chicken, Kimchi and drinking Coffee. Also theorizing somewhere in the middle.
Poor LG he did not get to have the Stew now he will Miss Chicken As well that he cant seem to get enough Of.
Jokes aside because LG never really emphasized or knew the actual gravity of the situation that's why they are all in lets say stage 1.5-2 instead of Level 9.5 of preperation.
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45 minutes ago, Gariyada said:
This is some seriously ambitious storytelling. It's hard even in 2 hour movies, with a bunch of characters and scenes.. what they are pulling here is in some other level. As this series process, I can't believe what I am watching. I hardly can imagine what actors felt while they are performing.
Theories.. Here is another one picking up things from here and there;
These two universes are changed timelines. As mentioned in first episodes timelines changed in 1645 when Crown Prince Sohyeon died. Historically Crown Prince Sohyeon died mystery and found dead bleeding from head in King's(his father's) chamber in Seoul in when he was 33 like Lee Gon is at 2020. Also that's the reason one gate is in Busan (in Corea they changed capital in 1945) other in Seoul. My blind guess is, the series will link to 1645 and Lee Gon will take place of his ancestor Crown Prince Sohyeon and continue that timeline.
I hope I am wrong, since that looks like a sad ending.If this happens then there will be only One Korea or Corea and can maybe have a Happy Ending. I think.
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I Feel as if THE Entire Episode 1-9 analysis went for an Overwrite Somehow after Episode 10 and 11 preview. kudos KES.
1. Are now the 2 savious both LG?instead JY/SJ and LG??
2. Is Luna actually JTE from Some Timeline.
3. Does JTE also somehow gets the ability to Reverse Time(cue JY dialog besides the King only you can DELETE IT)
4. What exactly is LR's Portal (Busan Sea, Bookshop or What)
5. How many Timeline Did LG get if not One fixed timeline(998? As per King's Id and Multiple CGI Balloons)
6. How did ES become the Unbreakable sword and JY is under housearrest, do they both imply the right rght hand.Both Helping LG in both worlds but not their Own??
7.Is only one-half of Flute enough for a Time Reset ? Instead of Both??
8.Do I want a Open ending, or Throw my Laptop out any Cry Heartwrenching ending ?
Rewriting my own Theory (Reminding I ain't KES but a Couch Puppet
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5 minutes ago, Umjicheok said:
I just realised that preview stills can be scenes before final hug and kiss in Today's episode since that's the pattern of each episode. So something would happen to JTE in first half of next episode?!
Also I always had this feeling that LTE romance was shown sped up bcoz this is not the first time that they met
hence they were able to develop strong feelings faster.
Since that confession scene by tae eul the ominous feeling grew, Tae eul's voiceover talking about fate and prince buyeong- Lee gon talking about fate makes me think that they are fated with each other and must find each other in every time loop
Wish prince Buyeong had met tae eul since it was his and Lee Gon's wish.
PM koo's role could have been sketched out well. I mean at first I thought she makes all decisions but in the end she is shown listening to that old man and now depending on her ex husband and looks like she will be the pawn of lee lim although I feel she would still choose to be loyal to the King and KOC.
Also if this show is going to be sad or bittersweet ending then I will be wary of KGE's next drama because in her past 2 dramas endings were bittersweet or not satisfactory
and she also never gets normal guy to date LOL
Its not KGE's drama but KES has the Open Ending Left to interpretation Concept..Also.KGE has that very natural state to make you feel her pain and rage , that is very commendable.
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8 minutes ago, sasha1818 said:
Oh as in, I'm talking about the ratings recorded for each episode when they aired? Both did very well
I think Netflix Data is Solely based on NETFLIX's platform not on Channel rating. That is if you are talking about Channel Rating :). Netflix data that we are watching now is based on lets say Netflix watch count ( ala netflix rating), s
SpoilerSo as per that census Cloy and ITC is still being re-watched (From Last year till date)
hence TKEM is not the most but Definitely One of the MOST Watched SK Dramas. (Since April 2020)
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9 minutes ago, sasha1818 said:
Crash Landing on You had great ratings to be fair. And so did Itaewon Class which also released on netflix. I think it's based on that
SpoilerCLOY and Itaewon Class have RE-WATCH Count up their sleeve and still above 40,
TKEM is ongoing and in TOP 20, not fair to compare on either basis.
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1 minute ago, Jad068 said:
They were talking of the New Year if the Lunar Calendar (Lunar NY) not the New Year of Gregorian Calendar. Lunar New Year (known as Chinese Nee Year in some countries) was celebrated January 25 this year. That is why they were talking about how it is the start of the year of the rat ( part of the 12 Chinese Zodiac). Asian countries typically celebrate new year twice: one for the gregorian new year and the other for the lunar/chinese new year. Though the Lunar NY is celebrated more in the sense of festivals and holidays.
Thank You, Will Re-edit the post, I said ambiguity because of Dec25/23 and All that Jazz
7 minutes ago, ponderings said:When Lee Gon realized that Lee Lim doesn't go through the portal in the bamboo forest, why does he think of Haeundae the place to go next? We always see LG go through the portal, but we have never seen LL go through one. So why Haeundae?
It's Near to the KING's Palace in Busan from what I understood in sub-text and from what Google told me.
SpoilerHaeundae is an affluent beach front community that attracts tens of thousands of tourists during summer. It has been subject to considerable commercial development in recent decades. The beach is linked to Busan Subway Line 2 and train stations on the Donghae Nambu railway line.
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To Lighten the Mood, I sometimes Wonder if any writer or TKEM crew member reads Soompi Forum. Even LG's secretary wonders if he vanishes for Scandalous Rendezvous.
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4 minutes ago, Jad068 said:
I think they are talking about the Lunar New Year which is January 25 2020 in here so he probably left January 14 (since ten days before the last day of the year) then came back 23. That is why the press secretary says that the new year is the day after tomorrow and Lady Noh says the date is 23rd.
Rewatched the scene again , LG Left KOC when there was 10 DAYS Left for Last day of the Year. I mean isn't the last day supposed to be 31st Dec in every Region? Could Be Jan 13-14 , but again a Bit confusing here, maybe someone can re-translate the dates with original context.
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2 hours ago, YongZura⁷ said:
This is one of the scenes that i was confused just now. What a challenge to identify the timeline and whether it's real or not.
Real Scene .
Timeline....
1. JAN 14-15 2020>>LG scanning JY's laptop for any traces of LR. Catches a Glimpse of LR who has not aged.
2. Same day as point 1 realizes he needs to check if there is any gateway through passage OR is LR still in passage stopping his Ageing. 10 days in Living Worlds=5 hours within Passage between. LG realizes he has 5 hours to scan the passage and Return before New Year (Cue the Lunar New Year or New Year here is a bit ambiguous for me 10 hour=5 days is Correct though, @Jad068 for Clearing my confusion, it is as per LUNAR NEW YEAR 2020).
3. He travels the passage, Fails to find LR's 0-1 Obelisk, again reaches His obelisk of ROK and JTE was missing him that point ( Somewhere between 5 hours/10 days in the world) , they meet cry and hug. (LG does know he reached ROK via his OBELISK and actually would have called JTE via payphone if she did no meet him there.)
4. Jan 23rd 2020>>Travels back via passage to Kingdom of Corea and reaches on 23rd JAN 2020. (My estimate he spent around 3.5 - 4.x hours in passage which was equivalent to 7.5-8.x days)
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I need to Recollect my head after this, About the Last scene and epilogue , need to reserve my Comments until episode 11 is aired, it's a bit hotchpotch (I do think this is the Savior LG we saw in here who turned the Time, clue is the Clothes he is wearing is the scene from Episode 1).
@Heretorant Great explanation on the Past-Present-Future LG paranoma.
At this point I do not know how will be KING able to save both the worlds , his family and himself, There is no one he can trust, the Ones he can he has no legitimate way to communicate with them unless he leaves KOC which is not possible.
Also I can do without PM Koo at this point, she just breaks the entire flow and she is nosy.( I mean what you want to prove LG is a liar and Lunatic then you want to rule as the queen, What is the need?? uff) Please take some beauty rest I beg You!!
Eun-Bi I like you, You can be next Lady-Noh or JTE in ROK to discipline people.
And also Ji-Hun's mom was SJ's mom house worker.What a reverse fate they led (#clueswecanchecklater)
@bebebisous33 Slow Mo Cap from my end for multiple Math resource and Numbers analysis , It needs a LOT of Research.(I may have to re-read this after episode 11 to recheck what I missed)
**Appreciation Notes: The KIDS in this show are also GREAT Actors, they need praise as well.
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I love how they are PPL Trolling Themselves, even the CREW Knew and they Are proudly Presenting the Commercial within the show (Gishhh SBS and their rating system phenomenon)
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5 More Minutes for Me!!!!...
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Why was the Last Scene like Time Traveller's Wife.? Why is JTE all battered? Were we watching the past Timeline? What is happening!!! NETFLIX COMEON!!
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And Its Commercial Break..DMn!!
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hence they were able to develop strong feelings faster.
and she also never gets normal guy to date LOL
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, debate is weather the ID that baby LG grabbed from Pulse checker savior(EPISODE 1) was same or different one than what LR got hold off ( JTE ID on the timeline that we are watching). As per Timeline/Time reversal/Timeloop magic they should be same (Date publishing significance), but somehow plastic placement error is raising doubts in some of us theorizers which as per me right now is not a conspiracy but simply a continuity error by Production.