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7 minutes ago, Prettysup said:

Off-topic, does anyone know where to find the TNMS (Seoul) ratings nowadays? They have revamped the website I used to visit and I dunno where to find those figures anymore.

Check this link or Type the name of the drama you want to check rating on in Google and click the Wikipedia search result, it is updated daily.

This is for Money Flower - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_Flower

 

This is for all dramas -

https://www.kdramapal.com/ratings/daily-update/

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5 minutes ago, maddymappo said:

I agree, I think they have been fully physical for a while, not sure though when was the first time. She was touching his face and hair sensually since the adult scenes began.   It is a really twisted and dark psychological drama - the  "han" revenge condition has let PJ into a self destructive black hole he can never return from.  

 

I thought Grandpa would collapse when he realized PJ was his grandson, but he is a tough old geezer as pointed out. I still think it would be poetic justice if he lands in the hospital at some point on a respirator like his poor son (PJ"s father).  

 

I hope MH has a future good life. Although she loves PJ and he does love her, I do not see how they can be happily ever after together, with all that baggage PJ is carrying.  Maybe PJ can go to jail for awhile and then they can be together - that is the best future  I can see for them. PJ's unrelenting quest for revenge has led him into a a world of deceit and cruelty, he has to be purged of that, not sure he gets out alive We will see.

 

  i just hope MH doesn't die as  a consequence of his revenge as well. MR has said he was gong to make him suffer a hell he cant imagine, and harming MH would surely be that hell, otherwise he is untouchable unless she kills him.

1) Yes, i completely agree, the "han" concept can be clearly seen but i think KPJ will have so many alternatives, backup plans and Plan Bs as he is not doing this for fun. He waited so long, for 20 years and if you all remember the note where his mother kept it said do not ever reveal yourself until you are sure that you can survive and protect yourself. So him revealing himself meant that he is sure of what he wants to achieve.

2) There are so many possibilities that JEC can be killed. Initially i thought the Grandpa may kill him, but now that Grandpa knows he had been cultivating a Fake Jang and a Useless woman like JMR i do not think he will kill KPJ as he needs him to take those two out of Mooshimwon/Cheong A.

Meanwhile, JBC can get JEC killed too, but looking at the whole drama genre even though its revolving around Revenge its a Business Romance Drama so i do not think the writer will kill the main man who planned all this and he is in the verge of achieving it all. However as you said, i am not sure about Mh's life, either way one the 3 has to die JBC, KPJ or NMH according to the context of the story.

3) JMR will have no power anymore to get anyone killed, because Sec Oh is gone and KPJ is long gone.lol She can only use JBC to harm NMH but no matter what JBC will never let it happen. She still doesn't know that Grandpa knows that her son is not a jang and she had been knowing it and trying to invade cheong A. 

 

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21 minutes ago, 2handsintertwined said:

Off-topic: 

 

I'm sorry I asked what  dramas everyone was watching or what they are going to watch. I thought MF was ending at episodes 19 and 20!

 

I feel so dumb. I'm happy it didn't end yet. I'm really attached to this drama  I just want a happy ending, but I don't know if that's going to happen after seeing episodes 19 and 20.  I'm not ready for the ending  I just wish there were more episodes . I'm probably going to cry on the last episode 

 

I can't believe Mr. Oh committed suicide. I think there's more to that because KPJ had his suicide note, right? And JBC told KPJ, "Don't tell mom."

 

I am happy that JBC became chairman, but I feel like something bad is going to happen because KPJ wants revenge.

 

And NMH said she was going to leave KPJ behind so he can get his revenge! I was so sad. I was like, "KPJ just give it up and run away with her." But I think he really wants this revenge. I think I said I wish NMH would forgive him, but she said she hasn't forgiven him, but I think she still loves him. And when she kissed him on the lips, I couldn't help look at KPJ's face because he was so shocked. I think he was like, "Someone loves me?" or "She kissed me?" I am praying that they are happy together. I don't think anyone has ever shown him that kind of affection before. And NMH looks like she has plans of her own. She wants to be a politician! 

 

 

 

I wonder what's going to happen with KPJ and grandfather. The grandfather is unpredictable, so I don't know what he's thinking. But he did say he was scared. I hope grandfather accepts KPJ as his grandson.

 

JMR and KPJ scene. I understand why some of you think he kissed her. It looks like he did. But I agree with @azureblue7 and @kohnlee I also think KPJ seduced her and just using that to his advantage. I think she was so shocked when he whispered in her ear. And he told her. "I'm Jang Eun Cheon." JMR looked like she was about to scream. When she asked if there was anything bigger than JBC becoming chairman. It made me sad. I feel sorry for her. She trusts KPJ so much, and he betrayed her. I don't think she could have ever thought of him betraying her. And she warned him. But I don't think she was prepared. It's kind of sad. For both of them.

 

No! I think you're right about grandpa killing anyone in his way, but please don't kill KPJ. Please

 

 He's let grandpa and JMR know who he is, and JBC already knows. Should we call him JEC?

 

So I don't think KPJ will die. I think he will get his revenge, and I think he will live happily ever after with NMH! And NMH says she knows that he loves her . I don't think anything bad will happen to JMR or JBC. But I am worried about what will happen next. And I think Yeo Cheon and his father are really bad people, and I know they want to take over Cheong A. I hope something bad happens to them too. I'm sorry  And I think NMH's father will say something if he wakes up. Grandpa didn't want him to open his mouth.  I am sad about what happened to KPJ's friend Park Young Goo. I'm glad he woke up.

 

 

I am reading everyone's comments, but I see some sad theories. KPJ dying. KPJ letting go of NMH's hand. No! I can't do this anymore.

 

 

 

If you watch it well, what actually NMH meant was that she might not be able to forgive him but she knows How much He loves her and that's why she said to forget everything and come with her which means She can and has forgive him for the love they both share, and she says she can't ask him to stop the revenge and come so she's leaving him behind and indirectly told him she's waiting for him. KPJ understood all that and he nodded with a smile agreeing. 

 

Above all what matters the most is now they both know that they love each other, specially KPJ knows that NMH has alaways loved him. Even though they don't endup together that's enough. Will see anyway. I do not think the writer will kill the main man at the end because the whole story revolved around him and his plans were the plot. Killing him in the end won't make any sense becauseit will be a flop with the revenge that he's going to take. But maybe JBC could kill KPJ or the grandfather can kill KPJ howveer those are just possibilities  let's not get too worried and wait and watch the ending. After all this is a drama!!!

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2 hours ago, Prettysup said:

 

Initially I thought that they slept together that night too.. but after watching ep 20, I think they did not sleep together.  Seems like KPJ likes to tease her but not actually doing it. 

 

 

I guess that Jang Yeo-cheon will head Cheong-A in the end, after JBC gets kicked out and KPJ dies... haha

To be honest, when Grandfather was holding the locket and telling JSM that he cannot keep his son as he is scared because JEC has waited for 20 Years for this, i think he might get him Killed, maybe that is how this story will end. I really doubt he can make it out in one piece and he knows that too.

 

As someone said, he let go of NMH hand was also a reason that he is not sure whether he can make it until the end. I see an ending where KPJ dies, NMH excels in Politics, do justice to her family and KPJ with aide Yang and Young Goo by her side with an eternal love for KPJ even though he will not come back.

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29 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

1. I can feel sorry for Sec Oh to a certain extent. Yes, he has been used by JMR all this time and he was definitely tormented by his crime. Nevertheless, he kept doing the dirty work for JMR (assault the false JEC f. ex.). Why? To me, he did it for JBC and not for JMR. He knew that JMR never recognized him as her lover and JBC's father. He remained by her side because of his son JBC. Striking is that his last words were addressed to his son and not JMR which proves to me that he didn't really love her. When JBC started distancing himself from his mother, Oh sided with him and not with JMR. As conclusion, when JBC discovers that Oh was his father and was killed by his mother, he will realize how cruel, greedy and ruthless his own mother is. JBC is still innocent and this will have his eyes opened. I don't think that after this discovery, he will feel sorry for JEC who lost his brother and mother due to JMR. Notice that all his energy has been focused on Cheong A, after he learnt that KPJ was JEC. From my point of view, he will cut ties with his mother and will try to keep Cheong A as this is the only thing he owns now. He lost Oh and NMH and I can imagine that he doesn't want to be connected to his mother's crimes.

 

2. About the chairman Jang: I am not sure if he will side with KPJ, as the latter is still considered as an illegitimate child. I have the impression that KPJ might use JBC's secret in order to have create chaos among the Jang family. Right, JBC, JYC and JSM are against him... but if Chairman Jang decided to change his mind and support JYC, JBC would become in a terrible spot. I also sense that Woo might decide to switch the side and become KPJ's new ally. Unlike the grandfather, JSM, JYC and JBC, KPJ has never mistreated Woo hence the latter asked him why he would fight against the chairman.    

Will the chairman Jang investigate the validity of JMR's marriage with JSM? 

@mimisl123 Striking is that KPJ only revealed JBC's secret very late. Sure, he could have used a DNA test but Jang would have doubted the result. He wanted a better evidence: This secret should be mentioned by JBC himself. JBC said that he discovered it 5 years ago... Jang will have to investigate how this discovery was made: JYC was the one who ordered the DNA test. But he will realize that KPJ could have revealed it much earlier. Why didn't he do it before?

Well i think he will investigate the validity of the marriage since he now knows for sure that JBC is not JSM's son. Also i really wonder why Sec Oh did not mention JMR that KPJ is JEC when he last was with JMR before getting out of the car. Another thing is why JBC not telling JMR about KPJ.

Right now everybody think including JEC that her mother was the mistress. I sense it is not the case as JSM made sure to register the two sons under his name, and it is clear that the marraige between JMR and JSM was also a marriage of convenience, however JSM did not know that JMR was preganant with Sec Oh's child and he thought it was his child.

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1 minute ago, kohnlee said:

Yes, why isn’t 50 episodes? 

Im off to watch episode 20! 

It is good that it is ONLY 24 episodes!! We might not survive all the way with all the tension and cliffhangers Also, 50 would have been too much, and dragging.

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I finally got to watch the two episodes.

I feel sorry for Sec Oh to be honest. How evil is that woman JMR, killing people is her hobby. As someone here mentioned when JBC learns that he was his biological father and JMR poisoned him I think he will realize that KPJ was also a victim of JMR’s evil deeds and he will leave everything no matter how greedy he is for money.

Now that Grandfather knows that JBC is not a Jang he will be compelled to take out JBC from controlling Cheong A and give it to the real eldest son JEC. He might not like it but it will be still better for him than having a fake Jang manage it. When Grandfather asked JEC what his intention, was it to become the chairman h never responded which goes to say JEC is not after titles or money he wants to destroy Cheong A along with the Jangs.

As of NMH, you go girl! She is proceeding with the law suit which is good and entering politics. She will eventually have proof or more intel that will assist JEC and she will end up indirectly helping him, because right no both JEC and NMH’s intention is to see Cheong A/Jangs getting destroyed.

Yes, as someone mentioned even I think she is leaving him behind meant that he no longer needs to protect her and telling him to proceed with what he has planned for 20 years, and that she will be waiting for him. KPJ’s nod with that agreeing smile says it all that he will come to her when it all ends.

Now that KPJ learnt that Grandfather is aware of NGC is alive, he hasn’t told NMH yet that what they talked earlier which was just a prediction is true and NMH wanted to call KPJ when she was being followed but if they both tell those two facts they will be able to connect the dots that it was Grandfather’s man who had secretly visited NMH’s house.

I cannot, and I do not want to predict but I wish after all the chaos they will end up in each other’s arms, maybe the kiss we wanted by KPJ/JEC to NMH will happen. Please writer NIm!!!  xD

We have 4 more episodes to go! One thing guys, we should not believe the previews any more, as the are misleading us lol. Even the previews are good as the story.

Truly I will miss this show when it ends, the best drama, with best actors/actresses, (even the newbies are acting so well and the ones who are doing simple characters specially the young boy who acts as KPJ is so amazing the facial expressions of his are equally good as Jang Hyuks’), superb background music, OSTs and the master of cliff-hangers. It’s a masterpiece indeed and the bench mark for K-dramas and for me overall whether it be Hollywood, Bollywood or whatever. I wonder whether I will ever get to see a better one than this again.

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I still couldn't watch everythinv with subs. Will be watching in the evening. Actually most of it is known thanks to you guys commenting. 

Finally "Dreamy Love" ost was played in the ending scene. So My way and Dreamy love are the only ones used yet.  I think "Flame" will be played at the end when and if KPJ goes back tobNMH. That scene clearly mentioned that he held her hand let it go and he noddedwith a smile, he will come for her and NMH indirectly said that she will wait for him to get the revenge and come to her.

 

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19 minutes ago, SeGafanlady said:

this kiss scene is probably one of the most emotional.. meaningful.. beautiful.. sad yet passionate on its own kind kiss... the moment their lips meet is the moment of truth on how she expresses her truest feeling to him.. acceptance. unconditional love. so deep.. so innocent...

he standing there like a coconut tree is never without a reason.. yet that reason is the reason why he can not kiss her back.. no matter how he wants to.. with every cell in his bones.. the torcher is unbearable it is shown so clearly from his eyes.. awesome Jang Hyuk oppa!

 

their eyes speaks all the moments.. the pictures.. the possibility... 

 

Pil Joo grabs her hand means he wants her as much as she wants him.. they share the equal amount of loving and longing.. there is nothing that he wants more than to have her by his side.. giving each other’s the great love that they feel for one another.. 

 

But he let her hand go.. meanings he can not do that... for now.. the show must go on. He has to finish what he started.. 

Now it is Mo Hyun’s turn to decide if she will wait for him or forever separate... 

 

we will see.... and yay Thanks God uri cute Yoong Go isn’t die...

 

Totally agree! She will wait for him. She was waiting for him for so long anyway. And JMR :') She has other plans when she entered the annex of JEC, JEC nailed it by revealing his true identity that way. DRAMA OF THE CENTURY THIS IS!!!!! 

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Wow! What an ending was that, also it was so satisfying to watch. Get lost JMR!!!! And guys, when JEC held NMH's hand and stopped her he nodded yes with a smile. He will get her for sure, he deserves her and she deserves him. Everything will fall into place in the final episode.

 

Looks like KPJ had someone else also helping him inside Mooshimwon. So satisfying two episodes these were. The battle has already begun.

 

Thanks so much @purplebass for live translations and i think some others helped too in explaining. Means a lot.

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That OST sounds happy. I just translated it on google. Everything might not be correct but I'm sure the majority of lines are correct. Enjoy guys. 2 more hours for 19/20.

Painful days washed away in rough winds
I was afraid I was stuck in a slow time.
I tell you I need change.
I dreamed of my life alone

Moving away from memory in the darkness
The weary soul is now leaving me

I'm left deep in my heart
I remember the day I missed you.
Outside it's pouring rain
Do you feel my heart

I want to dream in light
Let my life stay there.
Outside it's pouring rain
And waiting here for you
For you

Stepping foot on the path lost
I shed a tear on my wound.
I walked with countless comfort.
For a moment to meet again someday

Moving away from memory in the darkness
The weary soul is now leaving me

I'm left deep in my heart
I remember you.
Outside it's pouring rain
Do you feel my heart

I want to dream in light
Let my life stay there.
Outside it's pouring rain
And waiting here for you
For you for you
for you

Unhappy
The days when you were only drawing

I'm left deep in my heart
I remember you.
Outside it's pouring rain

Even when a rough wind blows
I'm waiting for you.
Outside it's pouring rain
Do you feel my heart

I want to dream in light
My life keeps me near you

I'm waiting for you.
Outside it's pouring rain
Do you feel my heart

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1 hour ago, kohnlee said:

Yes, it’s one sided. JEC may push her away.

Well i do not think he will, because all this time he pushed her away for her own good, but when she keeps coming back to him he will not do it any longer. Also, the kissing scene that will open his heart more for her. Lets see how everything unfolds.

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18 minutes ago, azureblue7 said:

@UnniSarah @mimisl123   I thought so too.. He told her that he did not love her anymore and he seemed determined to push his revenge plan  forward. I guess NMH did the first move. I wonder what his response would be ..

@kohnlee  hahaha! Sorry for the spoiler. Should have use the spoiler tag.keke.

He might draw a plan to get cheng A and Na Mo Hyun both since he got to know really that she loves him. They are both each others first loves after all. Even the Production Team has said that they hope the relationship between the will be progress in the coming few episodes. I feel like this will have a proper ending now which we all will be satisfied. 

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1 hour ago, azureblue7 said:

 

Wow wow! Finally the scene what we wanted. Well can they overcome and recieve love? YES if they stick with each other. This story is so un predictable, who thought there'd be a kissingscene in today's episode with all that intensity created in the endingof the last episode. Well let's hope for the best and may they get what they want. 

It's finally the day!!!!! Fewmore hours togo. I hope our loving memebers willdo live recaps as always. 

 

Also, I'm just curious whether KPJ really let her kiss him. 

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34 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

@mimisl123  I think once the DNA is confirmed G/pa is going to throw a monkey wrench in JBC program and announce KPJ as chairman and this is going to send him over the edge.. It's either he's going to kill off the old man or kill KPJ.. If it's the old man he will enlist Mr Oh help then again he will go after them both, Because at this point he don;t know how much KJP has revealed to G/pa..

 

 @bebebisous33 & @mimisl123  Have you guys ever thought it could be JBC she asking to leave with her ?

Nope. She clearly ask piljoo to come with her.

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10 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

@mimisl123 In my opinion, NMH will realise that her proposition is impossible as JBC will never allow them to leave. Moreover, I sense that NMH will discover that JBC is after KPJ. Moreover, the other reason for her change of mind could be that she finally gets the answer to her question: why did he live under a false identity? His life has always been in danger, even his brother got killed. I hope, this week she connects the story told by YSW and KPJ. 

Well you have some valid facts there. Let's see how everything unfolds. This story feels so real and you cannot help getting immersed into it more and more. Masterpiece indeed! 

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These are few of my thoughts. 

1. Grandfather and KPJ/JEC will team up. He's doing the DNA test just to confirm that it's his eldest grandson. The reason they will pair up is that the old man never liked JMR and JBC. It was all because KPJ's plans that they could still love inside Mooshimwon. 

2. Grandfather always liked KPJ, and he knows he is capable of doing anything. So he will gladly accept him as the grandchild but since he was a mistress's son it can be doubtful. 

3. The assault/ murdering of Young Goo was definely ordered by JBC and I think Secretary Oh must have had something to do with that too. And that same man was following NMH. I think both those incidents happen after NMH telling JBC that's she is leaving him. And JBC is covered up of jealousy and he thinks NMH is his own property. He might go on to think even though KPJ revealed about the arranged marriage inside that secret chamber she still is with KPJ and that's why he might have decided to search the room by assaulting Young Goo, and as for following NMH I think he wants to harm her as well. JBC is currently in the mind set of doing anything to be in that vice chairman position so he's just taking down people who is going to get in his way. (Just like his mother )

4 So NMH after 18 episodes talking informally to KPJ, that shows their deepbond and as the migratory birds keep coming NMHis coming back to KPJ after everything because she knows him the best. 

5. The preview states about coming away with her by stopping everything maybe it's after gaining what KPJ wants the revenge. Stopping everything might be owning cheong A or managing it. At this point they both know that love each other. Even though KPJ's aim was revenge he deviated from what he initially planned in order to protect NMH. Saving her life risking his can be taken as an example, if he has died all what he was planning would have been a waste yet he valued  NMH'S life over his. So if NHM really asks him depending on the situation he will listen to her. As someone mentioned there could be an open ending for the two leads, or a sad, because it Definetly cannot be a happy ending where the revenge and the girl is both taken by KPJ. The value of this storywill belost if that kind of ending is plotted. 

 

That's all guys. What do you all think?

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13 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

@Emily Wong.... So true, Revenge drama do tend to end on a sour note , let’s keep the hoping for a happy ending. The still just posted seems gives me the tingling hope and O hope this has always been part of his plans . How many of you Chingu’s think this has always been a p rr of his plans. Hmmmmm Hmmmmm Can’t wait for Saturday and One day and counting until it airs. *Bump Bump * Heart is bearing real fast .... LOL Lol Jang Hyuk sure is eye candy and yummy yummy . How could Man age so perfect. 

@UnniSarah well this drama goes as a Romance & Business under Genre and not as Revenge. So lets hope we have a good ending. At least lets believe as this writer's work is normally ended as happy endings the same will go with this. Its fine as long as its sad but we need a happy ending even in the last minute or so on the last episode

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3 hours ago, Prettysup said:

5th OST to be released tomorrow 20th Jan :

 

Min Kyung-hoon participates in MBC drama 'Money Flower' OST.

 

'Money Flower' OST part.5 'Waiting here for you', which Min Kyung-hoon participated in will be released on 20th Jan through various sound source sites.

 

Min Kyung-hoon's 'Waiting here for you' is a sophisticated medium-tempo pop and rock genre, composed by Swedish composer and singer Victor Lundberg, and one lyricist.

 

The song will depict Kang Pil-joo (Jang Hyuk) in the "Money Flower" looking at the life he has walked on and will have the lyrics of his sad feelings about Na Mo Hyun (Park Se-young).

 

Min Kyung-hoon  has participated in various drama OSTs such as 'My Heart' and 'The K2'.

 

 

 

http://www.sedaily.com/NewsView/1RUHLKSP5X

 

So the OST game isnt over yet. 6 more episodes to go and still we even heard the 2nd one yet which is FLAME. When are we getting to hear those???

Also, dreamy love lyrics depicted sad feelings of NMH towards KPJ, like not getting to be with him so will this be KPJ's side of story for the same scenario.

 

Also, i agree with what @philosophie said, it makes sense if NMH suggested that to come with her after getting what KPJ wants from Cheong A.

 

All i know is it will be ended as an anti climax for the main two leads NMh and KPJ and the real ending will be KPJ getting the revenge he wanted and not the girl.

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1 minute ago, SeGafanlady said:

Na Mo Hyun quits Jang Bo Cheon.. her decision is solid and unchangeable.. Na Mo Hyun asked Kang Pil Joo to stop everything and go away with her... Kang Pil Joo seems flustered.

I sense that we will have a memorable beautiful ending here.. I hope so... 

 

Saturday is near my friends.... 

Thanks. But young goo is murdered right? And will KPJ leave behind his original intention of taking revenge and go away with NMH?  Now his beloved friend Young Goo was also murdered. 

I really want to see a nice ending but now I doubt it very much. This is so sad!!!!!

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Quick question, i hope someone can tell me are the OST lyrics really connected with the Story-line in K dramas?

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Isnt these lyrics sad? Hint of No happy ending for JEC/KPJ & NMH maybe?

Hyolyn – Dreamy Love English Translation

Without warning, you came to me
Like cold wind, you linger
In a corner of my heart

After long hesitation, without a word
You disappeared again, leaving behind only regrets

Like last night’s dream
I think about the memories over and over
But I still look for you
Even though you can’t ever come back to me
I think I’ll still be standing here
Waiting for you

Promises that can’t be kept like a common greeting
Without even a word
Did you have to leave me?

Like last night’s dream
I think about the memories over and over
But I still look for you
Even though you can’t ever come back to me
I think I’ll still be standing here
Waiting for you

In the leaves that scatter
From the cold wind
I’ll place my heart
And send it to you
Some day, some day
Will you come back to me?
Even though you’ll disappear soon?

Like last night’s dream

Like last night’s dream
No matter how much I try to remember you
I’m still lost and wandering
Even though I can’t ever hear your voice again
I think I’ll still be standing here
Waiting for you
Waiting for you

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1 hour ago, 2handsintertwined said:

So these two episodes were emotional for you too. I like your reason for why NMH will forgive KPJ. You said her love is so deep for this man. For example, I think you can tell how deep her love is for him when she slaps him. She slapped him because he hurt her deep, and only someone you love can hurt you so deep! That's my thought. Sorry, she slapped him twice. And when he was watching her as she was getting in the car, her eyes lingered on his. I agree with you, it was fate when they met 20 years ago then meet again. And she kept that necklace for so long. And she returned it to its owner. Yes, i think that's the love driven by fate that she wanted. I know. Everything is such a mess, and I don't know how KPJ and NMH are going to overcome this. No don't say that! I hope KPJ doesn't push her away like he did in ep 17. And if one of them dies that's just RUDE. How can they keep torturing these two? Let her be in his arms! 

 

Yes, NMH's father will have to wake up soon and answer all the questions. Another reason NMH can't hate KPJ. He saved her father, and took care of him for her. Oh! He loves NMH so much. If KPJ dies I will throw something! It will be interesting to see how grandfather welcomes JEC. The look on grandfather's face when he was like, "I'm your eldest son, Eun Cheon." it was like he was so shocked. Grandpa had no words. He couldn't believe it. 

 

I agree let's wait for the preview! And yes, this is so unpredictable! I didn't think NMH's father would live. So yes, unpredictable!  

 

Edit: Looks like we missed the discussion!  

Well its funny that NMH did not slap JBC for all he has done so far. That also means that she got no feelings for him, as in what affects the most for her is what KPJ has done and she does not care about what JBC has done so far to her. Slapping him meant that they both are close enough to do so and each others actions affect them both.

Also, as you mentioned yes saving NGC is also a reason for her to forgive him and also saving her life by risking his. They have both saved ach others lives in this story so which goes to say that they will pair up and support each other in this revenge.

 

And i agree on that what you said he eyes did linger on him. They both know each other that they love each other. No matter how hard KPJ tries to push her away she will find her way back to stay close to him, that one reason she isnt leaving Mooshimwon. She wants to find out the truth, about all and KPJ. They are both together by heart but since the circumstances arent right there cannot be anything more than what we see now. Maybe i hope at least they will get each other in the final episode.

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2 minutes ago, 2handsintertwined said:

Sorry I'm super late! Finally caught up. Finished episodes 17 and 18 subbed. I'm just so emotional, and I don't have much to add to what you all have said because you have all come up with better ideas than me! I think back to when KPJ told NMH everything, and the moment they had. I know he wanted to embrace her, but he couldn't. I think someone asked this before. Yes, I think NMH will forgive him. She said she didn't regret saving him, and I think that touched KPJ's heart. Please just let them be happy. That's all I ask. I'm praying. I knew JBC was going to bring Yeo Cheon back because Yeo Cheon warned him about KPJ. But I was not prepared when KPJ entered grandfather's room. 

 

We had already seen this scene screencapped, and a live recap.

 

When KPJ said, "Grandfather." I cried so hard!  I nearly fell out of my chair.

 

I can't even say anything properly. There are just too many emotions in these two episodes. 

 

I can see that you all have a discussion going. i will see if  I can add to the discussion. 

Indeed! Those two episodes were so emotional. Well she will definetly forgive him that's how deep her love is for that man. The way they first met was fateand somehow after 20 years they meet again. Isn'tthat the love driven by fate is what she wanted. I hope they end up together after all the mess that will be going to happen in the upcoming episodes. They only way that they won't end together is one of them dieingor KPJ he himself pushesher away just like he did on ep17. 

NGC will have to wake up soon so that so many questions will be answered. And it will be interesting to see how Grandfather welcomes JEC. 

I will not be predicting anything as this story is so unpredictable. Let's wait for the preview tomorrow. 

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3 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

@philosophie The money given to NMH's father has to be connected to the slush fund because it was said:

- the money belonged to JKH

- Back then, JMR was the manager of the slush fund and JHK had asked her to organize the transfert

- KPJ was only  the one who organized the delivery.

- Moreover, the prosecution had no idea where the money came from that's why KPJ could come up with the idea to change the origin of the money: JSM was the one who bribed the assemblyman.

@zinaa In the last picture you posted, NMH finished her complain with "I could have died without knowing the truth"and her words reminded me of this poster  As you can see, KPJ is trying to hide the ugly truth to NMH. He is protecting her by hiding the ugly side of the world. Since the duck embodies NMH, she is connected to naivety and innocence. Striking is that the notion "protection" is often mentioned from the episode 13. 

In the episode 13, JBC said:" I protect NMH" to which KPJ added that he protects him (JBC). However at the end of the episode 18, it is clear that JBC has given up this idea. He is just focusing on his own interests. He wants to keep NMH by his side without asking what NMH wants, whereas KPJ wants to respect NMH's wishes. Since in the poster, KPJ is only covering one eye, this illustrates that due to KPJ, NMH is confronted with the truth, but she can only see a part of it. At the end of the episode 18, a lot of her questions are still unanswered like f. ex. why did he have to live under a false identity or she has been told only one side of the truth. KPJ had made himself the main culprit. But deep down, NMH knows that he lied to her.

To conclude, KPJ is still protecting her just like in the poster: he is the one who pushed her to lose her innocence and see the ugly side of the reality, on the other hand he still manages to hide different things from her so that she won't get too much hurt hence NMH has still maintained her purity. Yet JBC had the total opposite reaction, although he was put in a similar situation. He vomited and felt betrayed but didn't try to understand why KPJ had used him. NMH cried and pushed him away, yet she misses him...

I strongly agree with this. We all need a good ending, and not a tragic or sad ending. We have a come a long way with this drama and to end it on a sad note will not be the writers aim as well. This is unlike normal revenge dramas that have been aired on Korean TV so definelty the love they have towards each other will be the power they wanted to take down the people who have done wrong to them in various ways.. I think KPJ will get both the revenge he needed and NMH. After all he has done for her to protect her she will realize it all at the right moment. The official Genre of this drama is Romance as i read everywhere included with Revenge, so there is no reason for them to not to be together if they both go on alive until the last episode. As of my opinion, KPJ and NMH are already together, its that she is angry at him and he is pushing her away from him for her own good. NMh still let him hug her, she went to JMR and told her that she knows that the arranged marriage was her plan that he worked on and when she needs comforting she calls for him still and after doing all that she doesn't regret saving him. When the circimstances are right eventually they will find their way but if not it will surely be the most saddest thing in the story, even so KPJ gets his revenge.

 

NGC will have to wake up in the coming two episodes, to speak the truth, to enlighten NMH about hat he did to her, somehow or the other NMh should get to know what and why the reasons behind KPJ to do all this and she will eventually learn that he is protecting her still, the only person in the Jang household who doesn't know KPJ's real identity is JMR so she will get to know that soon as well and no matter what the threat is pointed at the Fake Jang JBC and Mother since KPJ revealed himself to the most important person the Grandfather.

 

Also, JBC will come up with something for sure. When he went to Young Goo's place he knew that the phone of NMH was ringing from the inside (behind the wall) so he will try to find out more about that place.

 

3 days more for the PROMO & 4 days more for ep 19/20!!!