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@Biology Lesson OMG yesss! That was so horrible in FTLY and they did it twice! In Family there’s another thing I thought was huh??? 
 

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Taegu ended up dying, so he got his karma, ok but they made Minseo practically force Yura to forgive him and even calling her “pety” if she didn’t cause “He is sorry”. While I, personally, felt sorry for Taegu, I didn’t think it was necessary to show Yura forgiving him. Taegu didn’t kill Yura’s parents with his own hands and tried to atone by giving them a burial but, his pursuit of Yura was what caused their death and so he was still responsible. There’s no coming back from that. We can also assume he did many other atrocious things and we know he was severely damaged since childhood. I, as the audience, felt sorry but I would find it perfectly reasonable if Yura never forgave him. One character’s redemption arc should not be dependent on another character’s forgiveness. And to me, it was just another way to dismiss Yura’s trauma. 

 

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@azureblue7 Wow! The director wanting Taegu to be sexy is such a dated, cliche, stupid idea. K-drama creators seem to love the “second lead syndrome”. Always this stupidity. I actually liked how Kim Nam Hee played the role because he seemed like an emotionally stunted, almost robotic and sad man. This allowed me to feel sorry for him. If he had been “sexy” I would have simply hated him and felt even more annoyed at the director. Why would he need to be sexy? so the director wanted to generate sparks with him meanwhile ruining any possible spark between the actual leads? Wow

 

@Biology Lesson Ill ask her although lately she is not as in tune with netizens as she used to be but Ill ask her still.

 

Her personal take on the drama (and this was a couple of weeks ago) was the same as yours though. She became very unhappy with it, quite fast. She said it felt like an old school drama with a dated message regarding the family, where all the trespasses of the dysfunctional family were going to be forgiven in the end “cause family”. She said, it feels like they took all the societal problems that are currently in the news and presented them in the form of comedy but not to point them out and criticize them but to brush them of “Oh but we gotta overlook this, cause family”. Example, she said that Minseo’s behavior towards the little boy, her aggressively going after him and not taking no for an answer was a current problem being talked about in the news, where kids are doing this kind of bullying nowadays, it would be ok to show it in the drama if it was clearly presented as a wrong behavior, but Minseo got away with it. She was equally uncomfortable with DHs sexual aggressiveness towards Yura in the elementary school, because same, it was like DH was representing men who don’t understand that “No means no” and Yura’s reaction was definitely uncomfortable but not firm, it was again all treated as comedy with no consequence. Currently this topic is so delicate as korean women are working so hard to revert this notion that “No means Yes but you gotta insist”, whereas actually “No means NO”. She was disappointed in the Grandpa too, when he was presented as a womanizer because she said thats the typical family where the old man does all kinds of wrong things but is forgiven because “he is an old man and we gotta keep the family’s harmony”. What was the point of giving Grandpa this unlikable trait? Actually she expressed this reaction precisely after the “Grandpa” centered episode. Its when she declared the drama was probably never have these characters “learn” but they would all be forgiven in the end “cause family” (she was right) And she said same with the younger brother. He represents a current korean society issue they are having with a lot of young men who are unemployed and not wanting to work. So, her take was that, if all those problems had been treated more seriously and where we felt there’d be consequences, it would’ve been justified to make the family so dysfunctional and annoying, because all their behaviors were grounded on reality and current societal problems, but it was not the case. 

 

@YouwinJH I understood you, that is why I said that your scene would’ve been better than the unnecessary repetitive scenes they showed. All angles of this story were unsatisfactory as they left every important confrontation and character development “to our imagination” and instead filled the space with repetitive scenes. Lazy writing 101. 
 

Yup the more I think about the drama, the more upset I get haha! Eeek. Can’t wait for the new project announcement! 
 

EDIT: About The Good Detective, I think I got to watch a lot of it but ended up dropping it, probably because of the same reasons you mentioned. Im trying to recall exactly because sometimes crime dramas (especially the villain arcs) get all mixed up in my mind. 

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Feeling nostalgic. Im sure many of you have already seen this write up about Jang Hyuk. Its old (from 2014) I love it so much. 
 

https://morethanthankyou.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/thank-you-jang-hyuk-part-2/

 

I think Ill rewatch one of his old dramas soon

 

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56 minutes ago, YouwinJH said:

 

 

EDIT: the family stuff which was supposed to be the emotional centre of the show didn't do anything for me. It didn't have the heart imo

 

I agree, the family was much more annoying than endearing. Ill rate their level of annoyance just for fun

 

Mirim - Extremely annoying, no redeeming quality

 

Jihoon - An absolute selfish moron, he was really despicable, the actor acted all cute (poor thing, not blaming him at all) but the actions of this dude ughhh I could not find him funny and he was a selfish bum until the end. Especially how the drama contrasted his "comic relief" scenes with the dark stuff that was going on with the NIS. I take it so personal when one sibling does all the work while another is a lazy arrrsssee and the responsible one is the one who gets criticized ugh! Nothing funny about that for me. However, he did make me laugh out loud in that scene where Dohoon chased him after he took Minseo on that fake trip to Jeju. One of my favorite scenes. Both were hilarious.   

 

Dad - I love the actor, but I found him very annoying and repetitive when he scolded DH and did not like his dating two women. The only scenes that endeared me to him (briefly) was how nice he was with Yura. He and Yura had great chemistry. 

 

Minseo - I know she is the least favorite of everyone, but I liked her most of the time, except when she was c-blocking or obsessing over the little boy, because it was too repetitive. My mom also enjoyed her so, for that, I'm grateful. The early episodes that focused on her romance, should not have happened though. 

 

Dohoon - I actually liked DH most of the time,  as a sibling like supporting character, lol, except during first episodes when he was too shouty, and when he shouted excessively at Jihoon (although he deserved it) but again, it was repetitive. 

 

Mom - Apparently she was the best of the family? At least she wasn't annoying during her brief appearances

 

@YouwinJH While I personally didn't feel a need for more Yura backstory or trauma scenes, because it was already established, that scene you described would've been better than, yet another scene of Yura shaking and agonizing, either in her cafe or in a car, on her way to kill someone.  Or it could've taken the place of one the hundreds of scenes where someone ignored their phone calls (now I wonder if those were PPL, yikes!). 

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@YouwinJH Lol, they always say that "I hope the drama does well" and "please dont skip your meals", "watch your health in this cold/hot weather", "Thank you for your support", "We'll meet in the next drama", etc 

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@YouwinJH Why do you feel gutted? What did he say?

 

I remembered they did look cute and in love when they went to buy the house, even their outfits were matching. But yeah, nothing deep was said there and if I try to "understand" Yura, it looks like she desperately wanted to create another family, so purchasing the house made her so happy because of that, and not because she particularly loved DH (sadly)

 

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Maybe ilogical for someone with her trauma to act this way instead of being much more cold and distant in general but I don't discard that people react in various ways to trauma, the response can be quite opposite (like some people become perpetrators after pain is inflicted on them and others become healers to help other victims, etc)

 

Yura's healing, apparently was by desperately seeking the comfort of a family. DH provided that and she helped him deal with that crazy overbearing family in turn. Especially the dad. Apparently she took mom's role. Notice how the father was always berating DH and the mom supported him. 

 

Another thing I observed is how DH and Yura act more like parents to Jihoon (an absolute selfish moron) and DH is super impatient with him (like his father is with him) while Yura is always understanding of that idiot, ugh! 

 

He never asked her questions of why she wanted to leave Thailand, she never questioned why he came home with injuries from a trading company job...they were both morons and the writer is a lazy hater troll 

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@Biology Lesson Eeexactly, agree with everything you said about the trolling

 

@YouwinJH They were both obtuse and ignorant of each other. Focused on “protecting” the other by hiding stuff and not asking too much and sadly, they never changed.

 

To make things much more annoying, DH was open and curious about Manager Oh. He went out of his way to find out about her past to help her. He confronted her and then comforted her. All the things he never did with Yura. 
 

Bad writing but more importantly, troll writing. Its like writer actually hated the Jang couple. Are we sure she is not an anti fan? 
 

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EDIT: That scene in Thailand where she asks him to take her away, it was sad but solidified this terrible unromantic idea that she was just using him to save herself. It could’ve been anyone at that point. It sucks for him really but since the drama never cared to show us his deeper feelings regarding her, it doesn't matter. Also notice that hug. Her head in the way, they are not really hugging. It could be justified because he didn’t really know her and it was a sudden request but the fact that the lazy writer left all of that unsaid, unresolved, up to interpretation, is so infuriating. 
 

They did show DH’s feelings regarding his mom, dad, daughter, Manager Oh and they did finally showed him fed up and defeated regarding his job so I could actually see him as a person. In the end to be very honest, I did feel something for him in that context while Yura got on my nerves still trying to solve things on her own as if she was some kind of terminator. And yes she became tiresome to me with the constant brooding scenes and worrying that were all the same.
 

But when DH once again, tried to lie to Yura that “All is good, Director has been handled” trying to sound cheerful while he was clearly upset (and she also didn’t notice) then I thought, these two can’t be helped. They will never be open to each other and thats so sad. Meanwhile, like I said before, he could be fully himself with Manager Oh. 

 

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@YouwinJH I was talking about the sibling energy in the drama, not outside of it.

 

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Off screen they still have the same nice comfortable rapport, but on the screen, it looked like they were purposely making efforts so their bodies wouldn't touch, always a table between them, or Minseo 

 

Taegu and Yura had 0 sparks, sorry, whoever saw some, I dont know what to tell you. Its like people who saw sparks between MiYoung and Daniel when there was nothing there. Maybe people desperate to see sparks anywhere. 

 

About DH and Yura, the story didn't help of course. What you pointed out, that Yura was more into DHs family than him rings true. I tried to ignore her comment to Manager Oh, but it was a perfect way to deflate any romance by the writer and director from the get go. Then, thats exactly how JNR acted Yura. The loving way she looked at Grandpa and Minseo, was not the same way she looked at DH. JH may have "ruined" DH at first with his acting choice, but after their secrets were revealed his acting was on point, and he always at least looked at Yura with love, but she didn't respond strongly. When they were "happy" she seemed only mildly amused, not super in love. Most times she looked guilty, preoccupied for her family, not particularly him. She did look at him like a sibling, in general. They also both continued to hide things from each other to protect the other (annoying) I guess she was acting the part of a woman who is traumatized and just wanted a family, not necessarily a man, but again, both should have known, this is not romantic. Its actually quite the opposite.

 

In FTLY Mi Young's falling in love with Lee Gun was so palpable , and she displayed so many different emotions. I fell in love right along with her in great part because of her acting (and not just because I love JH already) As much as I was looking forward to JH showing something different, I was also excited about JNR, because Ive seen her growth as an actress and I wanted to see what she would bring, more intensity and maybe even some sexiness (the one thing MiYoung lacked) etc. But Yura, despite being the only sorta developed character, also fell flat in the end. She did feel asexual unfortunately. It takes two to tango, and she wasn't willing (the character). 

 

 SYHH. her rapport with the male lead, sibling like, not better to me. But they weren't husband and wife so it was ok. 

 

Whose friend didn't want JNR to be touchy feely? I hope no friend of mine. We would stop being friends lol

 

 

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@azureblue7 You are the sweetest and not sure what we'd do without you in this fandom. My mom follows your account for all JH related stuff haha, she used to think your account was his. Thank you for always cheering us up! 

 

Aren't his eyes the cutest? I love the shape when he smiles. The man is adorable. I have to forget I'm slightly mad at him lol 

 

Wow, his arm in the photo looks impressive

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsoXIqQpwi-/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

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@YouwinJH Lol you are right although Im just sad today, not angry as I was yesterday. We’ll get over it.

 

Hiding my comment to avoid bothering people 

 

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Ill need to rewatch FTLY soon but Im afraid Im going to become even more obsessed and somehow sadder? If JH and JNR ever reunite as they said, they are going to have to promise they understand what happened with Family was wrong in so many ways. They need to understand their sibling vibe is not what we, the audience, expect. I wish they had waited a bit more after her marriage because I feel that may have affected their behavior (it shouldn't, they are actors so I cant help but give them a side-eye on this) If she shows more affection to her next partner Ill be much more confused and annoyed and probably, like you, won’t want them to reunite,  unless they explicitly promise they will show on screen affection. I mean, its like they purposely put physical obstacles between them this time (aside from Minseo) and were extra careful not to touch too much, whereas during FTLY, even in the bts, they had no issues. 

 

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Im kinda sad today. I miss Jang Hyuk already and cant wait for a new project

 

Ive been thinking more about how even in the sweet scenes between DH and Yura, where they hold hands etc, it would’ve made sense for them to at least hug or even stand closer to each other. Why were they so stingy with the actual physical proximity even? Lee Gun and MiYoung had so many scenes where they hugged for various reasons. I can’t shake this disappointment which is very specific to this aspect. One shouldn’t have to struggle so much to find even hugging scenes between the main couple in an alleged romantic comedy. This whole excuse that their family was always first, so what? They were family to each other! So many missed opportunities to show affection in a way that would’ve fit the moment. I  just can’t believe everyone involved thought this was a good choice. 
 

Anyway I hope I get over it soon. Im tired of myself at this point lol 

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@Biology Lesson Awww Kim Nam Hee! I liked him and he was so joyful bts. Now I like him more lol but really how much younger is he to JH? Lol I wouldn’t have guessed. Ill go google him now. 
 

WTH! He is 10 years younger rotfl! He is younger than JNR even. A baby! Lol 

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My (hopefully) final thoughts on the final episode in reply to yours @YouwinJH

 

Like I've said before, Gumi looked the writer up, she is a woman

 

About the NIS mess

 

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Yup, I agree. Like you said almost from the beginning, it seems they didnt really have a lot of story. The writer had an idea for the character of Yura, her journey is the only aspect that has some cohesiveness without being extraordinary or amazing but at least, it gave JNR something to do, something to show. Other than that the writer only had a premise, a "message" she wanted to convey and then winged it around it. I also agree that the big reveals and showdowns felt anticlimactic (although I did have a visceral reaction to some of the violence). 

 

Regarding the NIS and The Unit aka MGD (Old and New): This is my limited understanding (as you know, I was even more confused than you were)

 

All these organizations were created by the government but where things get murky is, in how "official" they were at a given time, right?

 

Warrior and all of the Old Unit gang were at some point "legitimate" mercenaries, working for the government. Those people considered themselves soldiers.  Hence why Warrior felt betrayed when he got replaced with Lee Jungmook (?) aka Director Lee. Then the same exact thing happened to Director Lee. They carry out an order, then they are told they are exposed, and they are expelled to continue following orders but now, in the shadows. No honor to be had. 

 

So, in summary, as I said yesterday, everyone was working for the same root, who like a God, decided who remains in the shadows and who is part of "the necessary light" as he considered fit. Everyone is a pawn, with some pawns trying to break the cycle in whichever way they thought possible (Manager Oh, from the inside, Dohoon, by nipping who he thought was the source of all only to realize, its just never ending, there will always be a more powerful corrupt higher up or a lot of them)

 

I liked that at some point the characters felt defeated (this should have happened earlier, it would've been much better) and later in the episode, we see them get to try to do good again. They will continue trying even if it means they fail or die. At least Taegu died while trying to do "the right thing". 

 

Is any of this new? novel, nah! but they could've done a lot better by simply being less confusing. I didnt except the writer to create an amazing intricate web of different organizations conflicting like in Homeland or Narcos, where you see the police force, the drug traffickers, the politicians, all these forces converging and engaging in constant power struggles, while individuals in each organization make a difference (for better or for worse) through their individual choices. Of course we did not expect that level of fascinating complexity, but, writer, could've made this at least compelling if she didnt try to hide her lack of substance behind a lot of "confusion".

 

By focusing on the feelings of the characters in the midst of the soul crashing reality that, evil is not one person, its systemic and therefore very hard to beat, and the best we can do is, well, protect our loved ones, we could've had a compelling enough story. In fact kdrama does touch upon this all the time (usually the bad guy is their police force) I don't remember seeing the government getting the blame this way, but other than that, its the same thing they always do. 

 

And yeah, her message is, Family is what matters most, bla bla bla, we got it, we just didnt quite "feel it" because everything was always so confusing.

 

I thought Old Unit (in the present) was pretty much done and it was only the guys we knew, Warrior, Bullet, Hwatcha, Butterfly, The Priest, The Art Collector and the 3 kids who survived, Manager Oh (Wind), Yura (27) and Taegu (19). Allegedly Old Union turned into a group of mercenaries/killers for hire (in the past after the change of government/administration) but what we saw in the present,  is that most of them removed their tattoos and were living under a new identity.

 

Warrior became part of the new Union once his boss told him to remain in the shadows and wait for orders or did he go rogue? Not sure about this. We assume Bullet was killed by Warrior during their confrontation in the past. 

 

So, at some point Wolfe is ordered to kill the priest and other surviving members of the Old Unit. At the same time, wasn't DH ordered to kill the priest? He didnt get to do it because Wolfe did it. But, DH order came from Manager Oh, who in turn was reporting to Director Lee. Now we know Director Lee was also commanding the MGD/New Union, so why the conflicting orders to two different killers Wolfe and Dohoon?

 

I was not even sure it the priest was still a criminal or if Manager Oh only told DH that to get him to go through with the mission. The Priest was surprised when Wolfe killed him and recognized him as a member of The Union. So was he still involved with them in criminal activity or not? 

 

I dont remember if Manager Oh, wanted to kill Wolfe or just to arrest him? DH was calling him when he got shot by Yura, but we never knew if he was calling him to warn him, find him and kill him or what? Since the NIS also executes people without a trial then my thought at the time was that DH was supposed to kill Wolfe (which is why he was looking at himself on the mirror, a bit tormented) but now I'm not sure. In the end Manager Oh's intention was to protect the Old Unit members because she wanted to bring Warrior to trial. So why order DH to kill the priest? 

 

Again, what was the reason for the conflicting orders coming from Director Lee (and his higher ups).  Was it to hide their tracks somehow? I order X to kill someone and then I order Y to kill X, to cover my tracks. Then I hire Z to kill Y, and so forth?

 

Yura killed Wolfe at the request of Taegu. Taegu was following Warrior's orders. So, was it Warrior's idea to kill the Old Union members? or was it the Director? Were they colluded on this? I think yes, and we know what Warrior wanted but what was the Director's purpose? To eliminate all witnesses of their past crime by committing more  crime and while leading a worse organization? Pfff

 

Another thing we don't know is how Taegu got roped back into The Union (the new Union) after he had escaped with Yura. 

 

Anyway, why bring Warrior back to Korea? Was it just to execute him while Warrior thought it was to return his honor? The Director told Manager Oh that her obsession to catch Warrior had been useful. 

 

The new Unit aka MGD. commanded by Director Lee (and higher ups)  seems to be a darker, even more hidden subset of the NIS, they commit heinous crimes, according to Cherry's intel. The crimes include child trafficking (not far fetched when the Old Unit used children as slaves too)

 

So I guess the conclusion is that yeah they all (DH, Manager Oh, Wolfe, Taegu, Warrior, etc) at the end of the day, served the same rotten core of powers that be. But are we supposed to gather that the whole government is rotten or just a few very important apples? I guess we will never know 

 

About your question of why now and not in the 10 years of Yura being married to DH? Well, didnt this killing of all the surviving Old Unit members started with Wolfe’s mission? I dont think Yura was their ultimate or most important target. At least not at first.  In fact, if Taegu managed to find her and ask her to kill Wolfe by threatening her I suppose its cause they figured they could use her? (Like they did) Why switch from trying to exterminate her as a child to try to recruit her again? I dunno but they did the same with Taegu. They recruited him again instead of killing him and used him, although in the end he would also be a target. When Taegu’s men killed Yura’s adoptive parents, it looks like his intention was to find her not necessarily to kill her (or her parents) but Im not sure about that. And it was the same case with Manager Oh. They allowed her to assume a new identity and live, in order to use her, to be discarded at any point. 

 

 

@yoeda As disappointed as I am, I don't think this is JHs worse drama. As you know I liked a few other dramas much less. I suffered more through Iris 2 and Gaekju (I remember you liked that one) and I also suffered through Voice (even though objectively its a "better" drama than this one).  But I think I've been in the reduced group of people who have been extra tolerant to this drama, for reasons I cant even explain. I think, partially it has to do with the fact that JH looks handsome in Family lololol, I'm shallow and this fact makes me forgiving. Tbh, despite the super messy plot, if they had given me more of the main couple being romantic, more fan service, I would've been ok with this drama. I would've been much more tolerant even.  

 

But for a lot of other people, this will likely be their worse JH drama, I suppose. 

 

 

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@yoeda The FTLY OST was magical and a great contributor to create the perfect atmosphere for that drama. Who do we blame for Family? I don’t know but I join you in the riot! 

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@Biology Lesson Kinda done reading his mind though. I hope someone asks him the questions straight and that he answers. He hyped everyone up during The Killer, even more than JNR. What a bummer (not blaming him for the script though)

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@YouwinJH Nah, I think you are right and come to think of it @Biology Lesson is also right. It makes sense that the older he gets, and the more he has a "say" on things, the less he is willing to show. Perhaps when he was a rookie, as he was trying to prove himself as an actor, he convinced himself that he needs to be open to everything, even if its embarrassing to him, because that's what an actor is supposed to be able to do, but now he doesn't feel the need to experiment or prove himself too much, at least not to levels he feels cross a line he simply doesn't want to cross. Gotta respect that. Its his prerogative (to my disappointment, because I do think the performance suffers)

 

Its not like I need him to be naked, but if its a romance, kiss. In my case, I find him sexy, so I do like it when he does it well. It adds to the excitement and immersion. This level of prude, if its his decision, its really hindering the work and even his possibilities to reach a broader audience, but again, its my opinion, which he'll never read or care about, so its a moot point.

 

He does strike me as old fashioned and a traditional korean man, with an older soul than his own age (which is not that young anymore anyway)  

 

His future as King of melo looks bleak though so Im no longer supporting him in that campaign. King of sageuk, King of action, but zero melo/romance if he is not willing to do the bare minimum. 

 

And for the record, I also think that gratuitous nudity and violence are simply bad and unnecessary. But that's not what we are talking about right? we are talking about justified scenes. It does seem to me that kissing is justified between a husband and a wife in a supposedly romantic drama. In fact, in this drama, it was expected, needed, both actors, director, and writer should've known that! it is a really puzzling decision they made, whoever it was (Im only suspecting JH because of the trend and behaviour that Biology pointed out a while ago. I was of the belief that JH was conservative in his personal life, but open when it came to acting. I'm accepting that I was wrong in that belief and it looks like he has gotten even more conservative in the recent years) 

 

 

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@janghaesoo If JH and LDH reunite ever, it needs to be a makjang of epic proportions that will make us cringe! lololol, its all or nothing for me now. I really want him to get out of his comfort zone once again and make ME uncomfortable showing some new aspect of his acting. I felt that on the first eps of FTLY because he had never been that weird (well, actually yes but not post military service), and in Money Flower, he felt like a new actor too, that drama was very makjang-ish, I want something like that, but where he lets it all out (figuratively but also...maybe literally lol) 

 

Poor LDH, I know she recently got married so I hope she is happy but career wise, is she retired?

 

Can JH work with an actress he can feel comfortable with to do an actual damn sexy romance?  I'd love the actress who played the QD because they were so intense, but no idea how they'd do in actual intimate scenes, or even a simple kiss 

 

Kim Sun Ah, would she be able to perform a miracle or are they too "sibling" like in real life? This woman can kiss 

 

And the actress from Mr Queen, she is fantastic too and can kiss, like she does it naturally unlike the majority of korean actresses

 

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The choice that was made in Family, to only let the little girl be the only character to kiss anyone is really so...wtffff was that? They need to arrest that writer and director let me tell you! or whoever is to blame. Someone needs to sue! 

 

P.S That must've been a really bad accident you had. I feel really sorry but happy you are recovering. I hope you have a full recovery as soon as possible 

 

 

@YouwinJH I will watch the final ep again with mom on big screen. I know we are done and exhausted with the drama, but

 

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As I was watching the episode I thought, wow, if they had shown this scene earlier it would've been so much more effective. I remembered you mentioned they should've shown Dohoon wanting to retire? they should've done that at the beginning or mid drama not at the end. Seriously, what a way to mess things up. But anyway, at least this is a great example of "what not to do" as a writer which might help you. 

 

There were other scenes like those that I thought, its an ok scene, but the timing is all wrong

 

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Yeah @Biology Lesson and its his body, his career, his choice. Sad for me. All I can do is rant and curse him (at least today). 

 

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@YouwinJH Even if in the dark those scenes can’t be classified as wholesome. Even if there was no sex in Thorn, the topic itself is highly controversial and to some, even disturbing. He and I definitely must have opposite ideas of what is controversial I guess cause, showing skin is far less risque than a teacher entangled with a student or a husband screaming he wants to sex his wife in front of an elementary school or telling her he wants to do it aggressively like animals. So much talking and no showing he is just a damn tease. 

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@partyon Ok, my short review

 

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To me the drama was very frustrating. Some good moments, but a lot if filler so overall, not satisfying 

 

I only recommend it to super fans of either JH and/or JNR but with the expectation to be disappointed because their chemistry (while still there) was terribly wasted

 

And Id only watch eps 4,6,8,9, 11 and 12 

 

 

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@YouwinJH According to Gumi, a melo is a romance in k-drama terms.

 

Bloody Heart would have benefited greatly from more flashback scenes of happy times between PGW and QD and at least one sweet kiss. I love unresolved sexual tension in everything but there must be a payoff at least once. JH seems to understand UST and the power of longing, yearning and making (some of us in) the audience crazy pretty well but, he needs to take a course in payoff. Longing and yearning with no payoff leads to unbearable frustration, depression and eventually divorce! Hello Chuno, Im talking to you! 
 

Bad Papa did not need to be asexual either. Money Flower either. All of these dramas would’ve benefited from a kiss! Even if in a flashback in BP!

 

I wish he had sexed Mal Ran in MF, it would’ve made him so icky and “unworthy” of MoHyun but it wouldn’t matter cause he was not going to do anything with her either. So, either go totally ew or not but this total asexuality is unnecessary ugh! 
 

And then someone explain to me why he kissed the FL in WOL, a drama where he wasn’t even the lead and the FL wasn’t even into him gahhhh. Nope, nonsense. 
 

I almost want him in one of those aweful weekend makjangs that make no sense are super OTT but have high ratings and characters are nasty but are allowed to have sex! In fact the more evil they are the more they get to do it. Uhm Ki Joon is a good actor but he is not beautiful, handsome, sexy like JH. A JH in one those roles would melt Asia. Yup it could be the end of the world but BRING IT!!! 
 

but nah! Maybe @Biology Lesson is right and JH is too wholesome (suddenly) and now wants to turn back into a virgin?  Booooooo

[Jang Hyuk 장혁]

@Biology Lesson Yes Dr, I feel neglected, frustrated, disappointed, thirsty, hungry and all ahhhhh whyyyy is he so hot if he is going to be like thisssss!!!! Im just!!! Im going to divorce! Im! Somebody tell me why I shouldn’t divorce!!! He is a bad man 

[Jang Hyuk 장혁]

@Biology Lesson Lol he will always sing. I can ask Gumi but she may not have the chance to ask the question and also may feel shy about it. How would you word it in a way that he’ll respond directly and also in a way that doesn’t sound harsh? What are the questions exactly?

 

MF wasn’t really a kiss, I hesitated writing that and hence the question mark lol but despite there being low heat there was nice longing, Piljoo and Mohyun had scenes where it looked like they were about to kiss or wanted to kiss. It was more longing and angst than passion, yes but there was something of a romantic sort. 
 

Ok actually I just remembered that his last TV kissing scene was in WOL. It wasn’t technically so bad. Wow! Not even a WOL level kiss here huh? Very strange!!! 

 

I just watched the ep. Eh! I wont say much. It was just consistent with the rest of the drama so my reaction is the same, liked some scenes, frustrated with others bla bla bla same ol same ol. Overall feeling: Frustration

 

@YouwinJHAt least they kinda clarify the whole Warrior mess but meh who cares right? 

[Jang Hyuk 장혁]

@janghaesoo Omg! I was wondering about you dear! I was going to write you on IG. Im so sorry! I hope you are recovering from the accident? 
 

About Family, definitely don’t read our comments before you watch. 

 

@YouwinJH I didn't realize the situation was that bad

 

Spoiler

I don't follow twitter or non JH fans anymore. On IG what I see is fans of the couple who still wanted to see them together having more love scenes in the drama because they still like them. So I can't think of why anyone would write them off as a couple, but if you say so, then that is sad. 

 

When I use the word chemistry I don't refer only to romantic chemistry but chemistry in general. To me they still have it and I felt it throughout the drama in all their scenes together. But anyway, hopefully the future brings both better projects and time will heal everyone's disappointment

 

 

Ill try to watch the episode now 

 

 

[Jang Hyuk 장혁]

@YouwinJH Well, the one silver lining I see is, this same thing happened in Iris 2. It was also a reunion of JH and LDH who at least some of us fans loved. Regardless of script they used to have really good chemistry and even if in Chuno it was more about them longing for each other it was still powerful. But in Iris 2, their rapport was strange. I have no idea what happened but their chemistry was gone. And yes, the story didn’t help but yeah they were also more awkward bts, imo. I feel that after that no one wanted to see them together again. (That drama broke my heart because back then I really loved that couple. I think all these up and downs is what has made me much more tolerant these days) 
 

Im sure with this drama, some fans will feel similarly about The Jang couple but I think the majority are still craving for them. Because they do still have a very nice rapport on screen and off screen

 

NOW! My big concern is JH himself. How does he think he can be king of romance if he doesn’t use the seldom rom com opportunities to show more rom than com??? Is he okkk? Baby, are you ok? What is happening? Somebody needs to ask him this. 
 

Also, when was the last time he had an onscreen kiss on TV? (Movies I think was Paid in blood?) but TV what was it? Money Flower? I cantttt with this on screen celibacy dudeeee!