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12 minutes ago, Biology Lesson said:
But- aren't you glad he did the role is Beautiful mind? Ratings or no ratings, the fact that he did that role made that show incredible. It's one of the best medical dramas I've ever seen and his portrayal of Lee Young was brilliant! That is what I admire in JH- his acting and his leadership while being the lead.
So what- do we wish he would have done the role of the nurse instead, so that the blame for the low ratings wasn't on him? And from what I saw- no one blamed him. The production problems were well known...
What about Money Flower- should he have taken the role of the family's driver?!
May I interject? Since I sort of started the argument, I wish to clarify my point. I don’t think we are saying he should stop playing lead roles. At least what “I” am saying is many of us have seen Jang Hyuk fail and succeed, go up and down throughout his career, and at least I, am glad to see him enjoying himself in a role and getting good reviews even if its not a lead. He has made a conscious decision to now focus on the potential quality of the role and less on screen time, importance in credits or even possibly salary/payment. At his age, lead roles in kdrama will start to diminish and also, a few years ago he “had” to take certain high paying but not satisfying roles because he was the breadwinner or cash cow if you will, of his agency. This is why they sent him to China to make that atrocious remake of All about Eve, right after Chuno, when he was at the peak of his career. Being the “It” boy of his agency became a huge burden and instead of it giving him more freedom to choose interesting roles, things got worse for a while. His situation is different now. I personally think it’s better. Sure, he might not be “lead material” forever especially in an industry like k-drama industry but he will have an opportunity for meatier roles that will help him expand his repertoire as an actor or at the very least give him joy. Lead roles are overrated anyway. Rarely are the leads, the most interesting characters in kdrama.
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52 minutes ago, budgerie said:
This I very much agree. Beautiful Mind is one such example. I think he must have felt "bad" to a certain extent. Although the failure of BM is NOT his fault.
And hello to you! I have enjoyed reading Stuck on Hyuk very much!
Hi, thank you for the welcome. I wouldn’t use Beautiful Mind as an example of “bad drama” despite the ratings and the burden to him, I’m still selfishly grateful he did that drama because I loved it and his character is one of my favorites of his. It renewed my love for him after I had felt drained by the torture that was Gaekju to me. I was referring to a case like Iris 2, for example, which I watched as it aired, a drama that high budget, a good cast, big promotion, high expectations and it turned out to be a major flop, ratings wise, story wise, character wise, Jang Hyuk got so criticized, as a fan, it was a horrible experience. And it gets worse when you can’t even argue with the critics because yes, that drama was so shallow and bad (to me) So yeah I’ll take 1,000 supporting roles in a drama that is at least enjoyable than another lead role as bad as that one.
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Hi everyone! I’m glad to see so many new visitors on this precious Jang Huyk thread. I haven’t been here in forever so let me re-introduce myself. I am Dramafan, also known as ItsmeDF on IG and twitter. I’ve been following Jang Hyuk since 2012 and I am co-owner of the Stuck on Hyuk blog
I wanted to join the discussion about My Country. So sad that some of you are not enjoying it as much as I am. I understand the frustration though, as I’ve felt it with other dramas I’ve watched only for the sake of Jang Hyuk but that I couldn’t like as a whole.
Luckily I managed to get immersed in this one, to an extent that I can suspend disbelief and accept that Hwi can go from damsel in distress mode to genius strategist in a second, for example :p. The pros in this drama to me, far surpass the cons. It is simply FUN, Bangwon has chemistry with everyone, it has some amazing senior actors besides Jang Hyuk like Ahn Nae Sang and Kim Yeoung Chul, and their scenes together are simply powerful and exquisite. The young actors are solid and also have amazing chemistry with our Bangwon (not to mention Woo Do Hwan declared he is a fan of Jang Hyuk, who started dreaming about being an actor, after watching Chuno, so that adds an extra element of enjoyment when I watch their scenes together) And in my opinion, the drama moves at a great pace, maybe even too fast, I wish we had more of it, but it is what it is.
Also, knowing that Jang Hyuk is not carrying the burden of this drama, as leads do, is such a relief as a fan. Because, the audience always blames the failures of dramas on the leads. I’d rather see him shine as a charismatic supporting character than getting stuck as a lead for many episodes, working extra hours, with a badly written character in a bad drama and getting all the blame, on top of everything
Going back to “ My Country” someone here mentioned a few days ago, that Hwi is getting glorified at the expense of Bangwon. I wanted to reply to that but now I’m not sure who made this point. Anyway, the example given was, the conversation BW and Hwi on the bridge where Poeun had gotten killed suggested that Bangwon killed Poeun with his own hands and that he was stating that he now needed Hwi do the killings for him, since he doesn’t any more blood in his hands. Well, I understood this scene differently
1.- Saying you have stained your hands with someone else’s blood does not necessarily mean that you literally killed them with your own hands. It could also mean that he ordered the assassination, (as it happened according to the history records) The point here is that this is a death that he was responsible for and he was blamed for.
2.- When Bangwon told Hwi, “I don’t want any more blood to spill on me” or something along the lines, I interpreted as Bang Won saying : If you serve me, you better not implicate me in anything. This does not mean that Bangwon needs Hwi at this point, or that he was making him his only “sword”. At least not yet, he is simply giving him a warning that he would give to anyone he decides to take under his wing. Bangwon, at this point, was simply intrigued by Hwi’s ability to infiltrate his camp through some “witty” and risky plan, aside from his ability as an archer and swordman. He had simply “piqued” his interest. Bangwon already has a whole army at his disposal to do his “killings” Hwi was not essential then
3.- Hwi made himself essential when he revealed he possessed the secret letter that implicated Nam Jeon. But only essential for the time being and the plan didn’t even succeed. So no, the drama is not glorifying Hwi, he barely has had a chance to have one plan (which failed) the rest of the time he has been the damsel in distress. Let’s give the boy a break.
4.- Bangwon has spent his entire life in politics. He does not need Hwi to strategize for him. The way I see it Bangwon only sees Hwi as someone who can be a good addition to his team, but not someone essential (yet) But 6 years have gone by, and I'm curious to see how their relationship has evolved during this time.
I do wish the drama showed us a bit more of everyone’s vision about what the country should be, a little bit more about the big picture, instead of focusing so much on personal agendas. But I think this will happen as characters keep evolving. The second half has only started and Hwi will soon declare that “all he cares about is killing Nam Jeon” which makes his worldview and purpose in life very limited and sad. But since he is the hero of this story, I think this will change. Something will happen that will inspire him to care about much more, he will want to see the new “country of the abandoned” for real, and Bangwon will have everything to do with that (well, at least, I hope)
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The only three dramas of him I wouldn't recommend are Iris 2, The Merchant and now maybe WOL, even though I love Chilsung. I could give my reasons for disliking these three dramas, but to be honest, I'm a little lazy :p and we all have such different taste.
I completely disagree with Fiesty on this.
4 hours ago, fiesty8001 said:He has bad luck with dramas. After doing IRIS2 many of his projects have poor quality.
I have followed other actors and artists and it is hard to find one that has had more than 2 or 3 works that could be called a masterpiece. Jang Hyuk has done so much more good work than bad (regardless of ratings or box office success) that I find him an exception. He is truly a gem and the fact that he keeps doing works that captivate me is why I still follow him. Fated to love you, Beautiful Mind, Money Flower happened after Iris2 and they are all amazing in their own style. WOL is terrible for my taste but Chilsung is adorable.
Also, what is the difference in ratio of success or quality prior to Iris2? I think his works prior to that were also up and down in quality. SSBG was a success and it was cute but to me it wasn't what you would call "high quality" Daemang on the other hand, was really good, of course with the limitations of the production values of those times. Thank You was amazing, Robbers is my guilty pleasure but failed in ratings, Tazza, I loved it, but was it far superior to any of his current work? And Chuno was a masterpiece, but so is Money Flower. So these ups and downs, happened before, still happen and will continue to happen as long as Jang Hyuk keeps working (May God bless dramaland with his work for a long long time). Luck or bad or good decisions notwithstanding, I want to be the kind of fan Jang Hyuk mentioned on his fan meeting. I continue to support him, because besides being talented (above average in my opinion) he loves his craft, he is so passionate and hardworking,that I feel confident that if I don't like one work, I might like the next, or maybe the next. Because half of the odds are already covered (We know he will always do his best) so whenever he gets paired up with good writing and directing, its a WIN.
I also hope he does a good movie but I am not disappointed with the excellent work he has done and continues to do in kdramas.
All the good vibes to bad papa
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9 hours ago, yoeda said:
Never knew Nam Goong Min is 40! Btw, JH do age, that eye crinkle never lie but still looks good for his age.
Well, to be honest those eye wrinkles were there more prominently in SoGC and I think even in his 30s they were already noticeable as well as eye bags. He hasn't "aged" dramatically after military service though. But he does look "younger" or "older" depending on various factors such as makeup, lighting and possibly filters. Money Flower's PD made sure he looked amazing. His weight also is a factor. When he loses weight his wrinkles become more obvious.
Still, I find his wrinkles so sexy and in person he looks younger, (but that has a lot to do with his demeanor, more than his skin, his attitude is "youthful")
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2 hours ago, ihyuni said:
@bebebisous33
1. That's okay. That's what makes the conversation interesting. I never said he wasn't right to think so. I prefaced the thought with, "This is in no way absolving JMR of her responsibility. She's a murderer and a conspirator of murder too js". I love and stan JMR but I have no trouble dragging her too. At this point JMR would have like 5 counts of conspiracy to commit murder charges, 1 murder charge, and possibly 4 counts of attempted murder charges also. I'm asking who does he really blame for his life being the way that it is?
2. I'm sorry but the minute they kidnapped JBC off the street. THEY (KPJ & Hyung) became the perpetrators in wrong and are no longer victims. There's no if, ands, or buts about it. They committed a serious crime. Had they not kidnapped JBC and just called the police in the first place none of it would of happened. JMR is willing to murder for JBC so I'm pretty sure she would of payed them to make it go away. I'm not giving JMR any credit for KPJ's imprisonment because with how it was revealed it looks like she genuinely didn't know. KPJ made a poor decision that became his catalyst to get revenge against the Jangs and begrudge JMR in particular.
My logic: If I go with my friend to rob a bank, then I feel guilty and try to return the money I saw them take, it doesn't change the fact that I am an accomplice to the crime.- KPJ got into an accident and instead of calling the police he decides to go along with the plan and helped kidnapped someone. Then the hyung flipped on him and he's falsely imprisoned. Then his sick step father died while he was in prison. After being released, he tried to kill himself. This canon timeline is why I believe the first night he went to kill JMR may have been possibly due to the loss that he felt she had caused him and how wrong he felt. Then along the line it evolved. Because before we see KPJ was just a depressed kid living with his step father with no thoughts of revenge against JMR.
3. KPJ made a conscious decision to initiate a plan devised by himself and be scapegoat. So I didn't understand why you were saying JBC is responsible for KPJ going to jail. KPJ is responsible. Sure the Jangs are committing corporate crimes but just because you aren't masterminding doesn't mean you're not just as still guilty for participating. KPJ can't heave stones because he lives in a glass house. He's bribed, assaulted, etc.
4. In episode four, when the flashback scene is full there's no voice hear on the phone. So how do you it was JMR? It could of been a man. KPJ heard JMR's voice telling them to go to the villa at the funeral hall but that's it. So were is this concrete evidence (at that time) that she was guilty of having them drowned? And let's say she did call and he hear her voice? How would KPJ know that it was her who really arranged for this man to have them thrown in? It would of only had been an assumption. That's why to me him going that night to kill JMR for "his brother" is not adding up, and if he did then he was absentmindedly doing so on a "gut instinct" with no evidence.You make interesting arguments in general but what I’m not understanding is why you think KPJ’s grudge towards JMR has anything to do with him being in jail? To me, his being in jail only gave him a chance to enter the Jang’s household, and it was a chance to read his mother’s letters. Btw that was a little too much of a coincidence, I mean the fact that he met JBC that way (but I guess this a fantasy where fate plays some role). But anyway, his revenge only makes sense if it is about his little brother, imo. That is the event that destroyed him and his mom, nothing else. It is the thing he keeps remembering and what gives him the strentgh to continue living. But his life is half a life. I’m sure he won’t mind dying after he destroys JMR, unless he starts caring about NMH enough that he’ll want to experience other feelings (other than grudge). KPJ also carries a lot of guilt but only in relation to his brother (so far). We’ll see how he reacts to NMH’s father death (or near death if he lives) that and deceiving NMH are the only things I think he should feel guilty about. I love how LMS plays JMR and her character is awesome to watch but I feel no mercy for her :p. I felt sorry and identified with her struggle as a woman in a misogynistic world at some point but she lost me when I realized she did kill KPJ’s little brother and has no remorse about it. She is even willing to kill her own grandson. Yeah she is cool but she is also mad so, I can’t really root for her (but I still love LMS :D)
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2 hours ago, ihyuni said:
I strongly dislike JBC but that's not the case. JBC is not responsible for KPJ's woes. The first time KPJ went to prison it was the grandfather who was responsible for his imprisonment. The second time KPJ orchestrated the whole thing. He imprisoned himself.
Side Note: In all honesty the first time he got imprisoned it was due to his poor decision making. Instead of calling the police because some minor is drinking and driving and hit your car you go along with your older friend's plan to kidnap him and extort his family for money, lol. They could of gotten far more money for reporting JBC's stupid self. Then when things go awry the older friend flips on you and blames you for stabbing him. It's not JBC's fault. KPJ was just young and stupid. #neednewfriends
KPJ loves to play semantics in regards for who is to blame for his sad little life. This is in no way absolving JMR of her responsibility. She's a murderer and a conspirator of murder too js. In his eyes, JMR is responsible for his brother's death but she literally did not kill him Secretary Oh did. Yet, his sole goal is to hurt h e r.
Which is why I've always been curious the first night he went to their house and he went to JMR's room. Did he go to stab her because he went to jail for JBC, his father dying while him being falsely imprisoned etc., which he thought JMR was responsible for (which turns out she wasn't; what a mess)? Could of caught an attempted murder charge there buddy. And if that's the case why not go stab the friend who lied on you in the first place? It's really their fault, lol.
Or did KPJ go to stab her for another reason? Actually, when exactly did he figure out JMR was even responsible for them being thrown in the water or did he just assume? I mean it's been confirmed she did but when did he know that she did... Hm... now I have too many unanswered questions. Ahhhh...
And don't get me wrong I feel for KPJ. I even pity him, but man I feel too bad watching NMH. How many L's does she have to take for him to realize revenge plan needs to be 86-ed especially when it's a woman he supposedly loves that keeps getting hurt? This is why I can't ship until she knows everything.I agree with @kysy completely. I just wanted to add a couple more details that totally made it clear to me that KPJ already knew what she had done when he went there with his knife. After he tried to kill her and she took his knife, JMR made him the offer to become JBC's servant/companion/right hand man and help him become the chairman one day. KPJ then thought (and we hear his thoughts in V.O) "Yes, I'll help JBC become the chairman and then I'll take it all away from you" (something like that) This is when his revenge plan A (Just kill her) turned into revenge plan B (give the world to her and then take it away). He saw her when he was little and remembered her but then her mother's letter which he read while he was in jail probably filled in the blanks? Because it was after he got out of jail that he begged JBC to "become his friend" obviously with his initial revenge plan already in mind. On Ep 11 we saw a flashback of KPJ burning his belongings and we also see his knife by his side. This happened after NMH saved his life. He wanted to kill himself not because his adoptive father died but because he couldn't bear the guilt and pain in relation to his little brother and his mom. This is a kid who has never been happy due to what happened to them. Also, when he and NMH talk after she saved him he mentioned he was going to live, because "he had something to do for his brother". Meaning he was already planning his revenge, which was always related to his brother (although this became clearer with each episode).
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4 hours ago, SeGafanlady said:
OMG OMG OMG... I am in the awe that I’ve never been before.. in my 20 years of kdrama watching... finally I found the best actor ever graced the Kdrama universe... Jang Hyuk.
In every gaze of his eyes.. my soul sucked into that dimention.. in his sadness I cry my heart out.. in his anger I want to jump inside of my ipad and slap that old grandpa.. in his vendetta I want to be his accomplish and even risk my life for him... for Kang Pil Jo to experience such a gruesome events of life.. I have found that his anger and revenge are the machine that keeps him alive.. his dissapointment is the main drive of the plan he’s been working out.. the blood that has been boiling since the unfairly death of his mother and brother is on the hottest temperature... too hot it even melt his desire of loving Nam Mo Hyun all for himself.
I was underestimating him and think he is just want to take revenge.. but it is actually much much more than that..he will get rid of all of them after taking what his mine originally....
Jung samunim... the woman is an alpha female and she is the most powerful, smart and dangerous opponent. Pil Jo barely can handle her at the last conversation.. not because he can’t beat her.. but because he was so unbelievably hurt to the point of being a zombie of himself to hide all sort of feeling in conjuction of his real identity..
and Miss Nam... girl you are too naive and as a woman... I don’t know what to say....
OMG! This wins best comment ever! Haha. This is how I've been feeling but didn't know how to put it in words. That scene with JML, when he is hiding the fact that the woman JML was searching is his mother! So much hurt in those eyes and voice. He is telling her half truths and it seems his mother had a really hard time trying to protect him. Pilju is hurt by so many things and it's like that family never stopped hurting him. Maybe this is why, it's so easy to understand him for many of us. It's easy to feel him.
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6 hours ago, nyk said:
Does JBC really want to inherit the company? He looks like a person who just wanna have fun in life. He is not serious about his work at all. I think he is pressured by his mom or something. When JYC gets promoted, it's like he gets angry not because of jealousy but he is so afraid of JML. He felt like dying instead of facing her.
My focus in this drama is KPJ's revenge and love. It gets me engrossed because I wanna know how KPJ can take revenge despite loving NMH. If there is no sadness in his eyes , I would just be excited how he can trick every one because it seems so easy for him to take revenge. But when love is his biggest struggle for him now I am not sure. And I am like will he find happiness in the end?
Exactly, I was into the revenge at first but we know "revenge" doesn't really bring happiness (I truly believe this, but it's also the message in every drama :p) and he really really really craves love. KPJ has dedicated his entire existence to plotting his revenge, to the point that he has sacrificed every other aspect of life, every other feeling. It is actually very sad. So at this point, I want justice (sounds better than revenge) and mostly love and happiness for KPJ. But, if he goes too far with his revenge, the last two things might not be granted to him
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Yes! That first capture totally reminded me of FTLY. His "love" eyes are definitely the best.
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26 minutes ago, yoeda said:
Agree with @dramafan33 but also kinda understand @fiesty8001 too. We as a fan got super frustrated for him to pick a blockbuster drama coz we think he deserve it. But, people and viewers is so picky nowadays. Big name doesn't mean big rating. I gave you some example, Uncontrollably Fond, WYWS, Scarlet Heart and so on. UF and WYWS has penned by a great writer that always bring rating, once work with JH in Thank You. Also has a Hallyu star but still consider a dissapoinment. Even Legend of The Blue Sea is forgettable.
For Hyukie, I kinda see a pattern how he'll pick his project. And loyalty also his biggest strength but also a weakness. But, with everything he pick he always give all out. we gonna hate that project first but we gotta love it coz of him. for me BM is kinda hard to swallow at first but his performance make everything worth it. Rating can go to he88. Same with MF, the title itself sound corny but with Hyukie in it, we just knew there's nothing simple about the drama. And for me it's not a typical ahjumma weekend drama. It's more to melo and can be put in weekdays schedule. But, the silver lining here when it's in the weekend the rating will possibly be high. Weekdays drama the past week totally struggle to past 10% barrier.
At the end, I just accept his choice. Lol. And who dare to reject Kim Eun Sook? Only him.
Hi dear Yoeda! Well even though "technically" he didn't reject KES, it was Sidus who made a mess of a negotiation, I'm one of the few ppl on the world that's glad he didn't do that drama. But that's my selfish thought, only because I didn't like it.
OMG I loved BM from the moment he was sipping tea on a plane. But I know, and that's the beauty of the variety of works he has done, that not even the fans can agree on which is his best work. He's got something for all tastes
Some like him only in comedy or only in sageuk. Some prefer him in action, others in melo. I think he nails all of those genres, but he needs a good writer and/or PD to support him in creating a well rounded compelling character and story.
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3 hours ago, fiesty8001 said:
I'm watching Chuno right now as I've promised. But I gave the try to two more episodes (and I've to fast forward multiple times since I found it so slow for my liking) and I'm leaving it. Even good looking Hyukie can't lure me.
WARNING: too much 'WHINING' :
Why on earth nobody is writing a decent drama for him? What's his agency doing for him? Nowadays there are many writers who are writing decent roles for his age group actors but why nobody takes him and why Sidus people don't promote him? Hyukie seems like a quiet wise person but I don't understand why does he not avoid these pitfalls? If it had happened just once or twice than it was alright but seems like it's unending circle of mediocrity. Poor him doesn't get to play a character which could showcase his nuances properly.
I want to whine much more but I'm overwhelmed with the range of emotions I'm experiencing right now(I can be quiet dramatic sometimes I admit).
Dear Hyukie your worth is much more. Leave this mediocre world and try something new. So I'm continuing with Chuno and hoping my superstition turns out to be true.
Oh my ok. I'm sorry you don't like Chuno and yes it starts out slow but it is a very rewarding drama if you have patience with it. It's dense with too many characters but it all comes together beautifully later. I totally understand it can't be everyone's cup of tea but I would hardly call it mediocre (I'm guessing you weren't refering to it on your rant tho) After all, Chuno was his biggest success in terms of ratings, quality and he even won a Daesang. I also think it is in Chuno where he has displayed the widest range of emotions.
Regarding his more recent dramas. Honestly, yes, I wish JH had more recognition and "luck" but I don't think anyone can "guess" what is going to be a success in Dramaland. For example, I didn't care for Voice but was it really a bad choice? It did well. It had all the elements to be good. But the writer failed to develop the characters, something that is found after actors are casted. Beautiful Mind did famously bad in ratings but to me is nearly a masterpiece so I'll always be happy he chose it. He even called it "a good drama". I don't think JH is craving for fame and fortune, he is just craving to work constantly and that will imply a good amount of wins and loses. Those actors with agencies that are very "choosy" work less often too (they do more marketing, less actual work). But the more he works, the more he is able to practice his craft and the better the potential of getting a role where he can show that wide range of emotions.
BTW I think he is acting beautifully in Money Flower.
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Hi everyone! I'm DramaFan or It'smeDF on twitter
also from Stuck on Hyuk blog. I know I've talked with some of you in other places. While I don't write often on Soompi I always read you on Jang Hyuk's thread (excellent work @Prettysup) and now here.
I noticed that the last scene of Ep2 was translated a bit inaccurately and has created some confusion. So I want to share with you, this translation by my friend Gumi who is a native speaker:
"You already think this is unbearable? With that hand (and the screen showed Jung Malan's hand right at this moment), you will pull your eyes off, tear your flesh off, and choke yourself to death. Until then, you should stay strong, Jung Malan."
BTW I loved that scene. It was schocking impressive and it totally sold me this drama. This is the fastest I've gotten obsessed with a Jang Hyuk drama ❤️
Saturday please come!
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On 5/27/2016 at 2:59 AM, Prettysup said:
Manage this thread? Sure, just tell me what I need to do
Hi @yoedaand @Prettysup I had to create this new account because I was unable to change my password for Chunnogirl33.
I certainly want to transfer the thread to Prettysup, because she is much more active than I am in Soompi and is already doing a great job at keeping this thread updated.
I just asked @qwenli for help
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also from Stuck on Hyuk blog. I know I've talked with some of you in other places. While I don't write often on Soompi I always read you on Jang Hyuk's thread (excellent work 
I certainly want to transfer the thread to Prettysup, because she is much more active than I am in Soompi and is already doing a great job at keeping this thread updated.
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OMG! The blog! I feel so guilty about it! But yes! The blog has been on hiatus but Gumi and I (co-owners) are still very much in love with Jang Hyuk so we have the intention to make it active again. Lady G, a contributor of the blog has posted a few things and she helps us manage our twitter and FB account too but YES we need to get back on track with it.
And yes, the title of the drama is “My Country” so I really hope they give us at least a glimpse of a vision. Bang Won said to the Queen that he really cares about the country and he totally convinced me! (Due to his superb acting) But how is your country going to be better than what we have now dear Bang Won? I hope we get that answer soon.