[Drama 2012] Five Fingers (다섯손가락)

CherKell

More BTS of the "orchestra takeover" scene -- I wonder why his character has the penchant for windowpane-checked suits?  I could get all philosophical and say that the costume designer might be trying to show us the 'window to In-ha's soul'... but I won't.  Just stare at The Pretty, my dears... :))

cafe99

Hi guys, does anyone know why the drama is called Five Fingers? because playing the piano involves using ten fingers... I don't know, I'm just curious about the title. 

blueagave

@ cherkell, I love that moment between In Ha and Ji Ho. Thanks for providing that gif. I love what JCW is doing with this role. During In Ha's scenes with Ji Ho, JCW has his character balanced at the edge of subtle and open animosity. I'm glad that Ji Ho is not as clueless about In Ha's conflicted feelings as we were led to believe from the pre-airing character notes. Because I find it more interesting to see the two of them dance around each other. Ji Ho is eating himself away with guilt and In Ha with jealousy. I find this fascinating to watch.

@ tarits, I've also stuck with a few shows because of my favorites, but was hard. Usually I try to wait until the show is over and then just watch my favorites and skip the parts I don't like. That image of Ji Ho crying is gut wrenching. JJH does crying scenes so well that they can be hard to watch at times. It looks like someone is with Ji Ho in that scene because I see what looks like someone's nose.

@ jamy47, yes, JCW is rocking this role. I could see his potential in the one role I saw him in before this, so I'm not surprised. As for JJH's role, although it's not as meaty as JCW's at the moment, I am also finding it interesting because although his character is loving and patient with the people he cares about, I get the impression that he's rather cool to people he's not close to.

@ f927, I share your taste in shipping and I agree about Tokyo Tower. If that project ever moves forward again, having JJH and CSR as the leads would definitely have me looking forward to it.

@ Pavlichenko, I also think Da Mi's clothes are cute, but I hope they never put her in another pair of shorts because they make her look too young and girlish. The actress is already young and cute, so the shorts are overkill to me.

It was good to see Da Mi have conflict with Ji Ho because I'm looking forward to seeing her character become more layered. I find it curious that although her mother and brother have shown they still have scars from her father's death, she doesn't seem to be as affected. I know she's a bright, cheerful character, but I want to see some of the cracks under the surface.

Tarits

cherKell - tho your man or his stylist loves checkered suits, I have to admit he looks good in it or in them.

blueagave - I have countless dramas I dropped after watching a few episodes but not when it comes to Jihun. I even joked that even if the PD puts the corniest or ugliest actor/tress in 5 f, I will still watch it and finish it.

I know that one or two characters may eventually find the truth about the dad's death. I know there are still so many episodes ahead but I am already imagining how the step mom will react when she is found out. I also look forward to the episodes when Ji Ho will initiate his revenge.

Now that I have subscribed to showboom, there is less stress when I wake up early Saturdays and Sundays, much unlike when I have not subscribed to the site, unsure if I will be lucky to live stream.
And I am glad that many of my co-hunnies are able to live stream too.

Jihun -see  his two fingers:

CherKell

cafe99 said:

Hi guys, does anyone know why the drama is called Five Fingers? because playing the piano involves using ten fingers... I don't know, I'm just curious about the title. 

Well no -- speaking as a pianist myself, one does not necessarily NEED ten fingers to play; it does help, but it's not an absolute requirement (concert pianist Lee Hee Ah plays quite magnificently with only nine fingers).  In Episode 2, Ji-ho had told In-ha (who had his left wrist casted after the fish tank accident) that he was already a great pianist... "if all he [In-ha] had to offer was five fingers alone, then he [In-ha] could express the piece with them."  And there ya go.

In total agreement with everyone who has posted above, 'cause things are really heating up right now.  I do hope JSY does step up her game a bit; the character is supposed to be written as "feisty and determined," but I have yet to see that in her eyes just yet.  I assume her learning curve should increase once she's done with GAKSITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL this week (and curses on the liveshoot system!!).

BLEEP the ratings... I'm in it for the long haul no matter what. @Tarits, upon your recommendation, I may check out iOnAirTV's replacement prior to this Saturday's broadcast.  I had no problems with their live streaming, but the quality on wwiTV left a lot to be desired this past weekend.  I want the streaming to be so clear that I can count every pore on Our Boys' beautiful faces!! :x :x :x

Tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM (Pacific), SBS will be airing the segment where JCW is interviewed.  I'll put up a link as soon as SBS provides the content.  Let's just hope My Precious puts away the checkered suits for awhile now... :P

Tarits

cherKell - the site where I watch is clear and  yes, try it for $9.99 a month just to test it. When you have joined the site, when you click on the SB + profile, it gives an indicator up to when is your subscription. I have no regrets joining as I can sleep in peace Friday evenings and know I will wake up Saturdays and Sundays and be able to watch and enjoy dramas I follow.  Last 2 episodes, I watched with simple english sub which made me even more happy.  And the beauty of having joined the site is that all TV channels are there so I only need to click which channel the drama is airing and pronto, I am streaming live while it is airing in Seoul. Also, if you registered before at onair, your profile is kept by the new site so there is no need to re-register. Just log and you are in.

Here's the link for others who may want to try it too:

http://www.showboom.com/index.php

Here's Jihun and Jihun and Jihun: (credit moonlight drop)

kayana20

Lol the pinstripe suit looks cute. I am at a lost at who I should ship. Both OTP pairings have  cute chemistry and their backstories are so compelling.

Tarits

From f4 mom, I quote her post:

The main background in the "five fingers" is the residence of Thompson Group, a production company famous instrument. Trying to represent our emotions an actor and musical sensibility, the director luxurious atmosphere, setting mansion of companies belonging to the large group of five of South Korea from the atmosphere of the big house set space is organic using curve modern and directly It says pursuing the atmosphere bright and tastefully with indirect lighting and the overall finish high glossy form, and, in combination with a set finish furniture and props, and tried to express the high quality, low cost, high efficiency. Stand and lighting modern classic fabrics and it is going to point and was used in addition to the overall unity.


No wonder the house looks so luxurious.

babigirlz

I've felt that Hong Da Mi character has been taken back a bit because I would expect a lot from Eunjung. I don't meant to start a war or anything in comparison to the actress right now, but clearly from episode 5 till now her role is so little. Maybe there hasn't started the dramatic problem bla bla yet but I would love to see the depth in her acting more.

@blueagave I'm completely agreed with you because I don't see anything emotional hatred or stress from her yet in related her father's death. It seems like she doesn't even regconize the woman who is straightly messed with her family. Unlike her mom and brother, they always tried to find out the truth. I'm waiting to see how the director is slowly developing her character because in fact she is one of the main female lead in the drama.

I have no complain with the woman lead because she is rolling perfectly there. In episode 2 when her real face finally comes to shine, there goes shock me in the eyes, she twisted it 360 degrees as I had expected. There're saying that "no stepmom in the whole world would treat their stepson with their whole-hearted", I think it's exactly true! I somewhat felt bad for misunderstood the father and grandma, because they treated her not in a nice way but I guess everything has a reason now. She never uses her real her to treat them.

Added: I feel bad for Ji Ho because as said it seems like he has everything but really in fact, he only had music! His step-brother and stepmom are the worst. In episode 6 when he slept on the sofa and they were having a conversation while he's sleeping, it broke my heart for a minute there. I then notice the loneliness in Ji Ho's world. :(

 

blueagave

CherKell, I hope JSY is able to step it up after her other drama is over, but I'm disappointed that she doesn't appear to be getting much help with direction for how to play her character. Perhaps that's being worked on as we speak and we'll see a more layered Da Mi next week.

tarits, thanks for the background info on the show's settings. They seem to have put a lot of care into choosing the right sets, and I'm impressed because they are beautiful.

@babigirlz, I'm not familiar with Eunjung's acting, so I can't comment on whether she would have handled the non-verbal acting better when portraying Da Mi. However, I have a feeling she would have had the same problem because, for some reason, the PD seems to be trying to highlight how sweet and adorable Da Mi is. Instead, he should be trying to show that she's a flawed woman who doesn't always greet the world with a smile when no one's watching her.

I wish the PD would have directed JSY to play Da Mi as a character who is hanging by her fingernails trying to stay upbeat because that's the only way she can cope with what happened to her father. I would love to see some subtle facial acting that shows there's more going on with her and that's she's struggling to keep her anger and bitterness in check.

When she quickly lost her tuition money after working so hard to save it, we should have seen more of a reaction from her. I wanted to see some sign of deep seated anger or bitterness that, once again, she has to put her dreams on hold because of the person believed to be responsible for her family's troubles. Instead, she just showed a bit of sadness.

As was mentioned above, this added dimension to this character could have been communicated through Da Mi's facial expressions. The fact that we didn't get this kind of reaction is why I'm wondering if this is how this character is going to be throughout the drama. If that's the PD's plan, then I think Da Mi would be better as a supporting character and not a lead.

I'm okay with that, because the other three leads have me on the edge of my seat during their scenes. However, I wish I had that reaction to all four leads. At this point, I'm going to assume the PD wants to keep Da Mi as this inexplicably sweet little girl who thinks a frown is just a smile turned upside down. That way, if he surprises me and writes her with more depth, it will be a pleasant surprise.

Pavlichenko

Five Fingers The Making 5 (Jin Se Yeon):




Credit: http://runningmoon.pixnet.net/blog/post/38050407

hapha8714

are they going to release an OST for this? please respond. pleaseeeeeee....

anyone?

Tarits

In the forthcoming Pusan International Film Festival where Jihun will attend and where his band "Jesters" will perform too, those who attend the event will be given a plaque like this that matches exactly the hand and fingers of Jihun. I think this is a project of the fans. (credit moonlight drop)



Many of the scenes in the drama are being done at Hanyang University of Korea:



and also this one:

baduy

A brief return for a few random observations

I noticed that, at present at any rate, the Viki subs for the scene in ep 5 between YR and her stepmother Gye Hwa at the mansion breakfast table are some way off-target as well as incomplete. For anyone who wants to get a feel for the stab and crackle of this scene, here's my version of the dialogue. (it starts at about 00:42:00 in ep 5)

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Spoiler:

GH: It can't be much fun, eating all alone at such a huge table,
even though In Ha's back... But the youngsters are busy with their own lives, I guess.

YR: I've got used to it. I don't notice any more

GH: What do you mean, you got used to it? You got used to loneliness? Don't let old age creep up on you. You know what they say: sleeping alone means a good night's rest, but eating alone means indigestion.

YR: Have a leisurely breakfast before you leave. I'll look in on In Ha, then go to the company.

GH: I came here to tell you something. At the end of this month, I've got to vacate my place. I've signed the sale contract. I thought I'd move in here and take some of the housekeeping off your hands.

YR: Excuse me? What was that nonsense again?

GH: I'm tough, but I've put up with things long enough. That nondescript apartment is so decrepit, things are collapsing day in day out, I could be trapped in a coffin unable to budge. If only your husband were still alive, he'd have moved me to somewhere ten times better.

YR: So, let's be clear. You sold your current place so you could fund a new house for someone?

GH: Who would I do that for? You know I couldn't possibly live with your aunt. She finds fault with everything. Even if we sold this house as well as mine, we couldn't satisfy her. Just set your maids to work getting a room ready. I'll take care of furnishing and decorating it.

YR: Who said you can come and live in my house? Your idea of caring for a daughter was to feed her on beef-bone soup. You should be content that I keep your belly full.

GH: No matter how I fed someone else's child, that's nothing compared to what you did, is it? Saving Ji Ho got you made President of Boo Seong Instruments, and you became the most famous stepmother in Korean history, didn't you? But nothing in the world stays a secret for ever. I wonder what would happen if Ji Ho knew the truth? Would you like to find out?

YR: What's all this in aid of? What do you stand to gain from this, Mother?

GH: I'm like a vending machine. You have to feed me with cash to get what you want from me. Don't ever forget that. Thanks for breakfast.

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And yes, YR does call her "Mother" in that last line of hers. For the first time, unless I'm much mistaken. But it's certainly not a sign of affection.

Another, broader topic now...

One thing that seems to have escaped attention is that the 14 year interval for the time leap has been chosen because of the 15 year span of the Korean statute of limitations.

Spoiler:

There's now only one more year left before the case of MS's death can be re-opened to clear Da Mi's father's name (and incriminate YR in the process). That's why Da Mi's mother is getting so desperate to get evidence from Granny and abandons her softly-softly approach, with disastrous consequences for Da Mi's academic plans (consequences her mother doesn't know about till she finds Da Mi's bank book in ep 6), and also why JH is equally desperate to keep her from succeeding until it's too late. It's also why, in ep 6, Da Mi's brother, inspired by the piece of evidence he's been fed anonymously, abandons his place at Korea's top medical school to go underground in a gangland-linked company company he's identified through Internet researches as the Boo Seong group's main rival for the purchase of some important real estate, and which is owned by none other than the mysterious JW.

Re-opening the investigation of MS's death would of course also bring up another mystery that's been flagged up but then left aside for now. Who cut the phone wires to the house on the night of the fire, and why? None of the characters whose involvement we currently know about would have any motive for cutting those wires, but that played a crucial part in convincing the police of Da Mi's father's guilt, since only an outsider bent on misdeeds, such as a burglar, would have cut the phone wires. But we know Da Mi's father didn't cut them, so who did, and why? Was there actually a planned arson attack, independent of Granny's playing with matches? And since JW apparently has no trouble getting into YR's bedroom at mansion #2 bearing a cake with a fire-hazardous candle, was he or a minion lurking in the old mansion back them with similar inflammatory intent?

One final point. As I've sometimes pointed out in other threads, the plot summaries in starnnews reports are often inaccurate, mainly because they focus on the star players and netizens' reactions to their scenes rather than the more subtle aspects of their roles in the plot, so be wary of placing too much reliance on them.

The one quoted above is a good example

http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/comment/25191595/#Comment_25191595

"Yoo Ji-ho faced a crisis because of Hong Da-mi who played his music without permission and released it on the Internet, making things awkward with his teacher and professor Ha. However, he pleaded to be on stage at the recital.

Professor Ha misunderstands this to be Yoo Ji-ho's arrogance and greed for stardom from the media and that he wanted to go on stage without reflecting upon himself."

This is mistaken in multiple ways.

Spoiler:

The reason why Professor Ha is so offended and disappointed is that Da Mi tells him she "found the music in the street", which is basically true (she could hardly be expected on her first encounter with the Professor at the restaurant to expand on the details of the bicycle crash and mixup, though of coruse she does so in the following episode, in changed circumstances). The Professor was appalled to discover that his protegé had apparently taken such scant care of the sole copy of a work they've been collaborating on and which he had enjoined him to keep sercret, and so he  temporarily revises his opinion of his fitness to be his successor. (That changes though when he discovers JH's true motives for wanting to play at the recital at all costs, just as his view of Da Mi is transformed when she plays the piece for him once again.)

And Da Mi certainly didn't "release it on the Internet" . That was a customer with a cellphone at the restaurant. The last thing Da Mi wanted was to become an Internet celebrity, given that she was so guiltily aware that she was given the job under false pretences (not of her doing, of course) that she was a Berkeley music graduate.

CherKell

Welp, I got that all screwed up -- it was the "SBS One Night Of TV Entertainment Show," not the other one that runs at midnight (Star King?), and this aired at 8:50 PM KST (4:50 AM here in Cali).  Regardless, Changwook-ssi was on and I will put up a link to his cut from the show on my Tumblr shortly.

My Precious got in a ton of plugs for 5F, so that's good to see he's out pounding the pavement for the show!  Apparently his "wish" was that he could have been a better student while in school.  He readily admits his grades sucked on toast, but the part that had me squeeeeing were the pictures he provided from his first college drama production roles.  I admit I have a whopping huge collection of photos, but there were a couple that even us DayRockers had never seen!  It. Was. Awesome. :x

Anyway, back to your regularly-scheduled Five Fingers programming now. :))

P.S.  Remember, HIS NAME IS JI CHANG WOOK!! LOL!!!


 

CherKell

baduy said:

A brief return for a few random observations

I noticed that, at present at any rate, the Viki subs for the scene in ep 5 between YR and her stepmother Gye Hwa at the mansion breakfast table are some way off-target as well as incomplete. For anyone who wants to get a feel for the stab and crackle of this scene, here's my version of the dialogue. (it starts at about 00:42:00 in ep 5)

Well reasoned analysis, my dear (and welcome back for a brief moment as well).  As much as I love my Viki Compadres, I always wait for more detailed subs to arrive with deeper meaning to grab for archival purposes, but use the Viki subs to get a jist of the conversation so I can at least get my recaps done.  I think as Korean becomes a more sought-after language to learn internationally, we're gonna get what we get until everyone gets more fluent.

Oh, and your take on the SOL didn't fly past my brain either (I'm a paralegal by trade).  When I saw how long the time jump was, I kept thinking "they're doing that for a reason, because 14 years is a strange number to use."  And then by the beginning of Episode 5, the light bulb went off over my head.  Research on Korean Common Law confirmed that fact, so it should be interesting how that little tidbit is played out at the end...

Now here's the Question of the Moment:  Can anyone point me to a capture of the Opening Segment for the Show?  Back in the day, Holden's website used to carry links to all the drama opening segments that usually get cut out of the shared torrents, but he's long gone now (and sadly missed).  I've tried to grab it myself, with disasterous results.  Any information that can be provided will receive my undying thanks and gratitude.  ^:)^

hapha8714 said:

are they going to release an OST for this? please respond. pleaseeeeeee....

anyone?

The short answer to this is yes.  An OST is in the works, with artists TBD.  There was a lot of interest when the show was first announced from various entertainment companies, but then the whole T-ara 'scandal' broke and they all suddenly backed off.  Granted, we haven't seen much of a love-line established yet to be offered a broody melo ballad tune, but just wait.  I know one has to be part of the mix real soon. :)

Tarits

@cherKell - while awaiting the live stream of Bridal Mask, I watched the the SBS show with youi man. It was nice and for a change I saw Chang Wook in casual clothes, looking relaxed and laughing quite a lot! 

Has this been posted yet?  Ep 7 preview?

CherKell

Tarits said:

@cherKell - while awaiting the live stream of Bridal Mask, I watched the the SBS show with youi man. It was nice and for a change I saw Chang Wook in casual clothes, looking relaxed and laughing quite a lot! 

Yes, he is getting better when it comes to interviews and reacting to the public.  I'll go back and watch some of his first-ever interviews, and I just cringe along with him over how uncomfortable and nervous he used to be. And letting SBS film him singing at a noraebang in front of people?  I'm soooo proud of my little Warrior Bachelor Chef Piano Boy!!! :x

But I hope hope hope that somewhere as the Show progresses, we get a flashback to how In-ha spent his days and nights during the 14-year time jump.  I can totally picture him singing and playing piano in some dive bar down by the Han River, and then drinking away his tips at a pojangmacha down the street.  Or maybe even a scene of In-ha singing an operatic aria while taking a shower.  Heck, I'm not picky. :P

baduy

Here's another stretch where more than is currently on Viki is needed to get what's going on. This is my version of the boardroom scene and the one immediately after in YR's office, ep 6, starting 00:01:28 in

[D1, ... Dn are the directors, most of whose names don't see or hear) ACh is Attorney Choi.]

Spoiler:

D1: I'm told there's been a problem over Incheon apartments acquisition?

ACh: Knowledge of our plans got out and affected land values, so the real estate deals have stalled. But even if we go beyond budget. we have to go through with the purchase.

D2: This expansion of our business is very risky. Added to which, the up-front development costs of this ultimate piano have already exceeded 200 billion Won.

D3: That's a huge investment. When's this famous piano actually going to emerge?

D4: The piano Yoo Man Se made fourteen years ago... are you saying you've still not managed to reproduce it? Your promise to do that got you elected President, remember?

YR: Please be patient a little longer. We've now imported very rare timber from Alaska. Soon the ultimate piano will be completed.

D3: I'm sure you're doing your very best, but ultimately your only experience was as a homemaker. I think this task may be beyond you.

YR: Beyond me? For 14 years, I've given my all to this company.  How can you...

D5: I think Director Kang is right.

D4: Yes indeed. The true heir to our company, Yoo Ji Ho, should now step up to his rightful place.

YR: He's still just a student of composition. How can a mere student composer assume control of a company this size?

D4: He isn't just a mere student composer. Considering his musical talent, would he really find managing the company so burdensome?

D6: I think it's time your reign as regent came to an end. At the next stockholders' meeting, the election of a new President should be on the agenda

[Scene change]

YR: My "reign as regent", they call it? These creatures who've grown fat under my regime! Stabbing me in the back this way? Who's provided their livelihood all these years?

ACh: No cause for alarm. It's what we expected, after all. For a company to be managed by its owner is perfectly normal.

YR: You mean, you too are pushing me aside to make way for Ji Ho? Is that it?

ACh: They say a hungry hyena can catch a lion as its prey. Ji Ho, if he takes over control of the company, may encounter a lot of misfortunes. And he isn't as desperate for power as you are.

YR: Meaning?

ACh: A crisis will soon come about. That will be your opportunity. That's when you've got to pounce first, before you get eaten yourself.

YR: Of course, you're right. That very simple truth had escaped me for a moment.

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What I've translated there as "reign as regent" stands for what will be a familiar phrase to saeguk fans: 수렴 청정 [垂簾聽政] literally "ruling from behind a curtain" It refers to a Queen Dowager wielding power after the King her husband dies in the name of a son and heir who has not yet come of age. There are several well-known instances of such regencies in Korean history, and even more in the made-up half-histories churned out by the saeguk industry.

The reference to a site at Incheon has to do with YR's plans to buy up a site there for company expansion, part of which is currently occupied by low-value residential properties, whose residents have to be "persuaded" to leave. In real life as well as in fiction, big companies tend to find due legal process too slow, and they turn to gangsters to make the occupants offers they can't refuse to vacate their premises. (The 2009 movie Paju starring Moon Geun Yeoung [thanks, squeaky!] Seo Woo and Lee Seon Gyeon is about this). It appears that this is one of the ways JW is going to come to the fore.

We can now see the outline of Attorney Choi's scheme. Let Ji Ho take over as President, but then engineer a "crisis" that puts him in a bad light and makes him lose the favor of the Board. In the meantime, his stockholding is to be whittled away. That's what was starting to happen in ep 5 when YR asked JH to sell a considerable number of his stocks on the open market, allegedly to solve a cash-flow problem which the company's rapid expansion had brought about. But the idea is that these stocks will be bought up by a phantom company set up by Attorney Choi and so will fall into his hands.

squeaky

^

irrelevant but i think in paju, it was seo woo instead of moon geun young that was in paju xD

can't wait for this weekend!