Park Bo Gum ❤ Girl's Day Hyeri aka REPLY 1988 TAEK x DEOKSUN

[packmule3]

3 minutes ago, .crestfallen. said:

Haven't had time for a rewatch, but I've been wondering about DS' baduk lesson scene. TK just had to clumsily try to open the yogurt right after DS failed to solve the rubix cube... He couldn't possibly be this clumsy when there's no one around, right? He does travel overseas without his dad sometimes and is often left undisturbed in his room, so he can't possibly struggle with life basics all the time, right? Was he doing that because he realized how frustrated DS was becoming at her inability to focus / lack of brainy intelligence? And wanted her to see that she could be smart in more practical ways?

 

What I found interesting in this scene was DS' baduk move. She isn't stupid, and TK knows that she isn't stupid. But she placed her stone IN THE MIDDLE of the intersecting lines IN THE MIDDLE of the board.  

I'll let @shooastrid explain that. She's the baduk expert around here. lol. 

[nearsea]

It's funny how the writer showed the transition period between '88 and '94..through the sung family watching different shows on different years,rooting for their favorite singer/contestants lol.Another dig writer took at the viewers for whom the time most spent is done either by watching tv or doing other insignificant things like JB's stamp collection,video arcades or online puzzle games lol.

[nearsea]

17 minutes ago, packmule3 said:

 

What I found interesting in this scene was DS' baduk move. She isn't stupid, and TK knows that she isn't stupid. But she placed her stone IN THE MIDDLE of the intersecting lines IN THE MIDDLE of the board.  

I'll let @shooastrid explain that. She's the baduk expert around here. lol. 

She was crossing the line again? [credit for the find goes to: @allegramente]

[packmule3]

23 minutes ago, nearsea said:

She was crossing the line again? [credit for the find goes to: @allegramente]

No.

She wasn't on any line at all. lol. I want to see how @shooastrid will interpret that move. Remember every baduk move reveals the mindset of the player.

[nearsea]

5 minutes ago, packmule3 said:

No.

She wasn't on any line at all. lol. I want to see how @shooastrid will interpret that move. Remember every baduk move reveals the mindset of the player.

I mean the way she placed that stone on the middle of the board,that does not apply to any rule of baduk as my limited/no understanding of baduk goes.

Shooastrid can obviously give us the faqs yeah.

[AuroraSky]

1 hour ago, packmule3 said:

 

What I found interesting in this scene was DS' baduk move. She isn't stupid, and TK knows that she isn't stupid. But she placed her stone IN THE MIDDLE of the intersecting lines IN THE MIDDLE of the board.  

I'll let @shooastrid explain that. She's the baduk expert around here. lol. 

 

Would be interested to see the analysis from a baduk perspective as well.  Taek's entire "courtship" could be seen as one long baduk game.  And the kiss in the hotel room?  The whole setup was choreographed as a baduk play if you look at it carefully.  

[pixiemoondust]

14 minutes ago, fangurling123 said:

And the kiss in the hotel room?  The whole setup was choreographed as a baduk play if you look at it carefully.  

 

Oooh interesting.. I'm a complete noob at baduk and I'm really curious to know how it's setup like the game? Would you mind elaborating? Thanks @fangurling123 ♥

[chickfactor]

- Yes, I agree that the final scene in Taek's Room was just DS's mental reflection rather than an actual flashback - as indicated by Taek (and eventually everyone) transforming into their childhood selves.

- Amazing clue-discovery about the period after Taek's name, guys! Wow!

- A petition to change the ending. HAHA. Well, I wouldn't mind if they filmed another episode full of Taek-DS love-fest - scenes where they tell their parents and everyone freaks out, or scenes of them getting married, etc.

But I guess this is what happens when a writer subverts established K-Drama tropes and patterns. I don't think it helps that the other previous Reply series (1994 in particular) was more overt about the "husband-hunting game."

In my opinion, we did not watch a "husband-hunting game" in R88. It was just a love story about two people. Along the way, there were other suitors and love interests. They were all interesting and developed characters, not just throwaway obstacles, and we got a chance to know and love them as well. This is a totally normal and natural occurrence in life. And it enhances the love story.

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In that spirit, let's not get too obsessed with trying to prove that DS never had any feelings for other guys besides Taek. She did have crushes and confusion - and that is very natural. Staying the "Reply" world, our other heroines had other intense crushes as well - the fact that they were for famous guys (singer, athlete) doesn't change the fact that they had those feelings of love and attraction. Does that make them somehow less "pure?" This is very normal for young girls. Let's not try to torture ourselves trying to ret-con DS's feelings.

Having said that, I think it's pretty clear that her feelings for SW and JH were distinct from her feelings for Taek. The reason DS never wanted Wang-Jang to meet Taek is because both SW and JH crush began with Wang-Jang's suggestion that those boys like her, and she subconsciously didn't want that to happen with her and Taek.

Gossiping with your best girlfriends about your crushes and your dates is a normal part of young girls' lives. But when you feel really serious about someone, you don't want to share everything. Like when Jung-Bong kissed Mi-Ok (on their first date!) - she told the other girls some things, but didn't tell them that part, because that part was special to her.

And my analysis following that is, after watching the entire series:

- DS developed crushes on two boys who grew up with her, because they were safe choices. She knew them well, and she knew they weren't jerks. In a way, it's like developing a crush on a famous person, because you can idealize them in your head, and you know it's not really possible that you will marry them.

- She must have also known subconsciously that with both boys, it wasn't meant to be forever. Because they all live next door to each other, and their families are so close. If she seriously dates any of them openly, there will be a lot of anxiety and pressure among the parents regarding potential marriage. And what if they broke up? Another round of stress and anxiety. (And let's remember that SunWoo's name is Sung. If he got together with DS, there would have been the same objections about them having the same last name. DS must have known that, too.)

Consider how long she waited until she told her parents about dating Taek. She's really considerate and very aware of the potential fallout. She knew that once she really committed to any of the boys in the gang, it had to be a pretty permanent thing.

So I felt like she gravitated towards SW and JH because she knew in her heart that it was ultimately just a playful way to act out her crushes with nice boys that she already knew. I think she was very serious about Taek because she knew that once she committed, she had to be all in, out of consideration for everyone's parents. And that's why she decided to pretend "dream kiss" was just a dream, and why she waited before she told her parents after the second kiss.

Yes, it was frustrating to watch (we want a love-fest and we want it now!) But it is a pretty realistic story (this is what real life is like), and it is true to the characters.

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I also think that we shouldn't negate JH's feelings as well. I think his final confession was as heartfelt and sincere as anyone can be - and yes, I do think he did it for closure's sake. He knew he was already out of the running, but he still wanted to DS to know how he felt. And he already accepted that it wasn't because of timing, or that he just missed his chance. I think he realized (in that scene in his jeep) that it just wasn't meant to be.

ETA: My interpretation of his final confession was that it was like a final gift to DS. He was essentially giving his blessing to DS and Taek. It was an amazing moment of chivalry! He didn't get the girl, but he got to have this awesome moment and everyone fell in love with him. (Including Dong-Ryong!)

In my opinion, I think both SW and DR knew, too. They're all been friends since they were babies, they know each other inside and out. They knew what JH was doing, and why he did it.

Edited January 25, 2016 by chickfactor

[bebe1989]

the easy things we must aware from begining is:

On earlier ep: They used Jungbong for confuse (viewers) and cover for a while bora husband.

meanwhile JH for cover Ds real husband.

The problem is the used the brother from same family: JB and JH are siblings here. Hohoho.. 

One things again:

they used JB postcard to share the whole country about the star from ssangmudong on lee mon sae Radio.

FIRST Lee mon sae read JB postcard was about CHOI TAEK IS STAR FROM SSANGMU-DONG, is close friend to JB. 

SECOND lee mon sae read JB postcard was about SUNG BORA ALSO STAR FROM SSANGMU-DONG, she also close friend to JB.

LEE MON SAE ALREADY STATED ABOUT "THE STAR" FROM THIS REPLY SERIES 1988. LOL.

 

 

 

[mangachickava]

if im not mistaken all the couples of the show get really started in ep 9

JB and MO umbrella scene

SW mom and TK dad oppa, taking care scene

DS and TK china scenes

SW and Br picking up middle of nowhere scene

LITERALLY the romantic love lines were all established in ep 9 ALL TOGETHER.

 

 

[chickfactor]

53 minutes ago, mangachickava said:

if im not mistaken all the couples of the show get really started in ep 9

JB and MO umbrella scene

SW mom and TK dad oppa, taking care scene

DS and TK china scenes

SW and Br picking up middle of nowhere scene

LITERALLY the romantic love lines were all established in ep 9 ALL TOGETHER.

 

 

 

Yes, and they all broke up in Ep.17, too, right before the time jump.

SunBora, JB-MO, and DS-Taek - I interpreted DS pretending that the kiss was a dream as a sort of break-up: DS deciding to put Taek on hold.

[rynn_peace]

5 hours ago, packmule3 said:

Sooooo people finally figured him out, eh?  I knew they could do it. Just give it time and people would discover it themselves.

YES. Taek's answer/reasoning is very simple. He loves DS and he knows that DS likes to fuss so HE allows her to fuss. He's indulging her. 

Another different "manly" Alpha-male type of man would find this level of pampering or coddling very emasculating. But for Taec, it didn't matter, he tolerated it, even indulged in it because it made her feel important, wanted, needed.

DR actually pointed this out in Episode 5 when he lectured JH. He told JH that the reason HIS mom was angry at him, his dad and Hyung, after she came back home and found the place nice and neat was that "you guys were doing so well, even without Mom."

So, that kind of relationship between DS and TK, that understanding, that symbiosis is unique…considering that Taekie recognized -- on his own -- this part of DS' human nature since 1988. 

Neat, huh?

 

Thank you for helping me to find another layers of Taek.. He is really interesting character. Yes I think you are right. Actually, Taek is not stupid in term of life skill. He behaves like that "because it made her feel important, wanted, needed." He makes DS feel that she is special and precious person for him. And not only to DS but also to his dad and friends. Taek knows that his dad is happy if he can take care of Taek even if without a mom. Taek knows his friends maybe would feel "shy" or "awkward" to become friends with a famous person like him. So this is his way to show his love for DS, his dad, and his friends.

[AuroraSky]

6 hours ago, pixiemoondust said:

 

Oooh interesting.. I'm a complete noob at baduk and I'm really curious to know how it's setup like the game? Would you mind elaborating? Thanks @fangurling123 ♥

 

I'll leave it to people better versed in baduk to go into the nuances and intricacies of the game.  I have an extremely limited understanding of the basic rules, but it suffices to understand the metaphor and imagery.  

The basic goal of baduk is to build and control the most territories on the board.  A key rule is the rule of "capture."  Each stone has 4 "liberties" around the 4 points (N, S, E, W points) surrounding its circumference.  You capture the opponent's stone (similar to chess) by eliminating all 4 liberties around a stone by blocking the opponent's stone with your stones.  If a stone is positioned at the edge of the board, it only has 3 liberties.  Basically, the hotel kiss scene depicts such a "capture."  Deoksun's "liberties" are completely eliminated and Taek has "captured" her much like one would capture an opponent's stone in baduk by completely surrounding her on 3 sides (left arm and right arm placed on each side of the seat and body blocking her front).  The back of her seat represents the edge of the board.  This would be much easier to explain if I could figure out how to post pictures here and show comparisons to baduk positions but I can't seem to be able to post pictures here.

 

 

[hafunohane]

44 minutes ago, fangurling123 said:

 

I'll leave it to people better versed in baduk to go into the nuances and intricacies of the game.  I have an extremely limited understanding of the basic rules, but it suffices to understand the metaphor and imagery.  

The basic goal of baduk is to build and control the most territories on the board.  A key rule is the rule of "capture."  Each stone has 4 "liberties" around the 4 points surrounding its circumference.  You capture the opponent's stone (similar to chess) by eliminating all 4 liberties around a stone by blocking the opponent's stone with your stones.  If a stone is positioned at the edge of the board, it only has 3 liberties.  Basically, the hotel kiss scene depicts such a "capture."  Deoksun's "liberties" are completely eliminated and Taek has "captured" her much like one would capture an opponent's stone in baduk by completely surrounding her on 3 sides (left arm and right arm placed on each side of the seat and body blocking her front).  The back of her seat represents the edge of the board.  This would be much easier to explain if I could figure out how to post pictures here and show comparisons to baduk positions but I can't seem to be able to post pictures here.

 

 

and let's not forget his sweater pattern when he "captured" her... 

#blackbadukstones #initforthekill

@packmule3 still waiting for your tom cruise chocolate theory! hehe but now that i re-watched episode 2.. for someone who is assumed to have harbored a crush on SW that time, she sure did not act girly or flirty or weird like she did to him/JH in later episodes. throughout the scene with the OT5 in JH's room I noticed that DS did not flirt or anything, she even screamed out loud in front of SW. and we know that the bag's position and the shoes also changed slightly from the time she puts the chocolate there and when we see SW grabbing his bag. 

 

[AuroraSky]

53 minutes ago, hafunohane said:

#blackbadukstones #initforthekill

#youaremine

[Pokopokopo]

 

I'll help @fangurling123

See, Deoksun is the black stone in our left hand corner. 1 and 2 is her liberties (the path her piece can go to) but Taek's hands acted as white stone covering 1 and 2, CAPTURING Deoksun's black stone (heart?)  

OMG! That's a great Baduk reference! I didn't realise it. I just learned Baduk (Korean) or Go (in Japan) and it's actually complicated and full of philosophy. 

(picture is not mine)

Edited January 26, 2016 by Pokopokopo

[Guest aoikarin]

All video cut how Taek look at DS.. I'm falling in love with Bogummy's Eyes expression! DS is so lucky!!

http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?clipid=73922350&q=&lu=v_relatedclip_toros_25&ref=&cateid=&relateid=73919761&relatepage=

 

[lxands]

9 hours ago, .crestfallen. said:

^ Thanks for pointing out the cookie scene, packmule3.

Haven't had time for a rewatch, but I've been wondering about DS' baduk lesson scene. TK just had to clumsily try to open the yogurt right after DS failed to d the rubix cube... He couldn't possibly be this clumsy when there's no one around, right? He does travel overseas without his dad sometimes and is often left undisturbed in his room, so he can't possibly struggle with life basics all the time?? Was he doing that because he realized how frustrated DS was becoming at her inability to focus / lack of brainy intelligence? And wanted her to see that she could be smart in more practical ways? Or was the show simply trying to contrast TK's high IQ vs. common sense intelligence?

In ep 18 Tk did just fine putting on his watch, dressing up handsomely all by himself, without anyone's help. But in an earlier episode, when DR was with him, his can't even button up properly,  that reminds what Choi appa said, he's clingy to people he likes, but I guess it doesn't apply just to girls but the people he's attached too. So beside the girl he loves, he does  that to the other 4 too because he knows he can do so without burdening them. He can't do the same to his father because it wud worry him much, also burdening his dad more than necessary. 

[AuroraSky]

41 minutes ago, Pokopokopo said:

 

I'll help @fangurling123

See, Deoksun is the black stone in our left hand corner. 1 and 2 is her liberties (the path her piece can go to) but Taek's hands acted as white stone covering 1 and 2, CAPTURING Deoksun's black stone (heart?)  

OMG! That's a great Baduk reference! I didn't realise it. I just learned Baduk (Korean) or Go (in Japan) and it's actually complicated and full of philosophy. 

(picture is not mine)

 

Check out diagrams 9 and 11 in this link.  That is the shape formed by Taek's arms and body.  

http://www.kiseido.com/ff.htm

[Pokopokopo]

@fangurling123 oh.. yeah. Capturing from all three liberties. That makes more sense