[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[kiinn]

18 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

This is a response of Jo Min Ki (King Taejo) to the other fansupport project  

He said everybody of the cast watched that support video. To our Soompi video project, he said he was very touched. So I think they have seen ours also.  

 

Hail the king

(´∀｀*)

[shairli]

On Thursday, November 03, 2016 at 10:14 PM, dramu51ch0c10ve said:

Lol Someone made a rom-com trailer out of SoSoo scenes.When I watch this,I forgot that SoSoo's story was actually tragicAnyone knows what this video is saying?BTW,if LJK and IU star in a rom-com movie as leads,I will definitely watch it

 

 

Brilliant... LOL! Has he act in rom-com before? No.. right? He should.. I'll definitely watch it!

[shairli]

On Thursday, November 03, 2016 at 11:10 PM, sosooyah19 said:

now if u think about it, if the ending was a happy one (like meeting in the future), we wouldn't rant like this (adding more pages in this forum) hahahaha.. honestly i only visit this and instagram of IU and LJG and nothing more for a couple of weeks now (my friends in FB might be wondering where am i

i will be glad if they will try to make at least a 2-part special post MLSHR aka present time korea.. if they wont, just give us the directors cut - maybe theyll include it here? i was visiting yesasia yesterday and waiting for it, though its still early but just excited hahahaha...

 

Yes... more reasons to keep posting all the possibilities.  I've been quiet with my FB too.  I even skipped lunch with my colleague coz too engrossed in this forum.  Lurking not just LJG & IU's IG, think anyone with MLSHR & them.

Keep us posted if u know the Director's DVD cut is out too chingu

[Gabi Bros]

 

[cedarwood]

Hi!

Any news about the soundtrack? I'd love to have melodies (not songs!) from our drama. <3 

[ldwon4]

Can someone post a list of any good mlshr fanfics? I need to fill this void for the next couple of months from the severe withdrawal I'm suffering 

I've caught up with Escape from the Palace so give me more please!! at his is my first time I need and wanted to read fan fictions XD

[kiinn]

5 hours ago, antiherofans said:

 

Maybe she is tired of being asked by people "Did you do it with Wang So?"

So she confirm it with the picture "YES people. We do the candle scene too, okay. Are you happy now? "

LOL, she is ruthless .

 

 

That's a whole lot candle to blow. LOL

[akinahana89]

Not sure if this was shared here yet, buuuut...!

 

I'm going to try to ask him if he'll mention it to the other cast members, so that they can see it too and that we are all very happy he responded and took the time to watch. But... My Korean skills are virtually non-existent, so I've been slowly researching and looking online to see if I can learn how to compose a few quick sentences. I'd hate to have to ask for help again, so I'm doing my best. lol. I hope I don't completely butcher the language. LOL.

Jo Min Ki and Kim San Ho responding has been very amazing and I'm super happy about it. ^^

[moonlover399993]

6 First Kiss Teaser I think

It's LJG, I'm hyperventilating!! Someone give me an oxygen mask!!! Can't wait to see him XD 

[shairli]

6 hours ago, ShaiKeun said:

@yuhotarubi i have not seen this back hug from ep 20. Is this one of those cut scenes? 

I was wondering about this scene too... hope it will be in dir's cut dvd, if any.

[atgirlina]

24 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:

Not sure if this was shared here yet, buuuut...!

 

I'm going to try to ask him if he'll mention it to the other cast members, so that they can see it too and that we are all very happy he responded and took the time to watch. But... My Korean skills are virtually non-existent, so I've been slowly researching and looking online to see if I can learn how to compose a few quick sentences. I'd hate to have to ask for help again, so I'm doing my best. lol. I hope I don't completely butcher the language. LOL.

Jo Min Ki and Kim San Ho responding has been very amazing and I'm super happy about it. ^^

We have two georyo kings responded to our project. so proud of it @akinahana89 

Royally proud of it.... 

 

#sorry mod, my mobile wont let me delete the quoted pic.

[Gabi Bros]

30 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:

I'm going to try to ask him if he'll mention it to the other cast members, so that they can see it too and that we are all very happy he responded and took the time to watch. But... My Korean skills are virtually non-existent, so I've been slowly researching and looking online to see if I can learn how to compose a few quick sentences. I'd hate to have to ask for help again, so I'm doing my best. lol. I hope I don't completely butcher the language. LOL.

Jo Min Ki and Kim San Ho responding has been very amazing and I'm super happy about it. ^^

I think is better to ask for the help of @ruizaio  or someone with knowledge of the language.

[akinahana89]

3 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

I think is better to ask for the help of @ruizaio  or someone with knowledge of the language.

  Ruizaio actually helped translate the subbed portion of the video. lol. I don't want to bother her to help translate again when I know she's probably busy. 

[Guest maniac-moon]

These instrumental OSTs are awesome

My most favorite is THE SORROW OF PRINCE

[shamael]

Thank you @vwj1 for your kind words. Thank to all of those who liked my post, I was very touched and surprised that you took the time to read it.

It gave me encouragement to go on with my thoughts, they bubble up so the whole thing lacks of coherence and cohesion but, please, bear with me.

 

WS is both a man and a king.

It may seem obvious but it actually is very important.

Little detour to French history. When Louis XVI was judge there was a very heated argument about the way he should be judge, like a king or like a man. It ended in the worst way for him: he was condemned as a man for his actions as a king.

To HS and BA, WS still wants to be a man but he still has to act like a king the rest of the time. 

As an absolute monarch, he is the law and he has to enforce it.

HS only sees him as a man. He pretty much tries only acting like a man toward her but a lot of her actions undermine him as a king. I think if she acted toward him but only him - like in private - as a man, voicing her concerns and disagreements, while taking into account in public that he is the king, not undermining him, she would have a lot more actual influence and results. But that would mean for her to see him as a king and I am pretty sure she doesn't or maybe, more accurately, she can't. She says that the man she loves killed her little sister. It is all kind of wrong. The man she loves didn’t kill anyone, he even tried to help the little sister escape the punishment acted by the king. The king of the kingdom has to enforce the law or he will lose his hold on the country and legitimacy and he did. 

The problem is they are the same person and in HS’s eyes WS is only a man, meaning that anytime the king has to sentence someone to death, he becomes a murderer in the eyes of his love… that’s all kind of screwed. Once again I can’t fault HS to want to not take into account all the being King thing but she can’t have the cake and eat it.

BA understands it much better, it is just that he knows he doesn’t have the guts to play the game of thrones and be a support to his brother and king in the palace… and if he can not be a support then he becomes a liability. I think he made the choice to leave not only for himself but also for his brother - if he cannot see him as a king, only a brother he cannot stay and support him… and he really believed HS would stay by WS’s side at least.

WS is a absolute monarch with a shaky hold on the throne - at best, let’s gloss over the ridicule way every character seems to go about his business oblivious to the king and his commands - and a slew of traitors around him - who happen to be his siblings sometimes. I guess they are many different ways to deal with these kind of situations but WS is the kind of guy that cut the knot instead of untangling it, so that’s what he does. I don’t think it is about vengeance, even though if he can have a taste of it also, WS won’t mind. It is about justice and maybe a tinge of retribution. I could make a list of people who’ve had to « suffer » from WS but in my point of view no one was innocent in it - except for the collateral damages of the rumors concerning WS’s claim legitimacy or lack thereof - and I’m not convinced that he dealt with them in the most extreme way - but I’m kind of an extreme person when it comes to people hurting my people or cornering me so I may be biased.

HS has a very contemporary way of seeing family. It involves blood ties etc. I’m not sure you can speak about family even with full brothers when you actually never dinned with them once in your life. Apart for the blood thing, they don’t even qualify as acquaintances thus everything is possible and kind of fair, they don’t have an actual bond. For me, it would be worst for WS to kill General Park, it would be more personal, than to kill any of his brothers, which appeared very state-related and dispassionate to me. I totally agree that when it comes to WW there is a lot of resentment and personal baggage even before WS knows about the relationship between WW and HS but personal baggage and actual treason go hand in hand in this instance so I don’t mind to much his doing.

The only vengeance I actually saw was WS punishing his mother on her death bed… but there is some heavy baggage here. I cannot condone it but I definitely understand… Had he loved his mother less he might have been magnanimous but his feelings for her were too strong and entangled for that, besides he doesn’t strike me as someone magnanimous. As what it does to his brother… let’s say, having shared the same mother doesn’t make you brothers in other way than name, especially as WJ has always been kind of hostile toward WS even when the latter tried to rekindle his relationship with his family. I have seen people like WJ before who blame those who unveil others doings like they are actually responsible for these actions. It’s the same logic as to blame the messenger doubled with the fact that you usually resist any change in your world view. In this instance WJ is like HS, he wants the world to coincide with the idealized world he has created but it is utterly understandable in his case as it coincide for him with the moment when he comes out of childhood and slowly transition into adulthood it is the Paradise lost, blissful ignorance is replaced by unsavory truths.

 

I brushed HS having contemporary views on family so I’ll address a point that has bothered me here. HS is supposed to have come from the 21st century but I feel like she displays 21st century sensibility only when it is convenient for the plot. I do understand that in living 10 years in Goryeo she’s become a kind of chimera: partly 21st and partly 10th century. I think it would have been very interesting to witness the shift. But as it stands it feels more like eruptions of 21st sensibility here and there when it is convenient, usually when it can affect HS & WS’s relationship in the worst way. It is not a fault in HS character but in the way it is characterize.

 

I’ll brush more over our 21st century sensibility… I really don’t mind all this thing about marriage and was kind of surprised that WS wasn’t married already - 17 was kind of old for a first marriage not speaking of 19 or worse 25, he could have died of old age before even marrying. I think it may have been better for some to have to navigate within these parameters from the start.

Speaking of marriage, it seems to me that a part was dismissed a bit easily in WS thought process when he eventually gives in. It is interesting to see the progression of the argument: starting with WW and the scar then uping it with the Shinju Kang - his most direct family since he’s been abandoned by the Chungju Yu clan who has rallied behind WJ - and the clans support - as strange as it may appear - finally ending it with Queen Sinjeong, who is one of Taejo’s wife, is Yeonhwa’s mother but comes with the final strike and what actually makes WS able to listen to HS’s reasons and not force the whole thing upon her like he would have been wont to do otherwise: HS’s diaries written in hangul. I think at some point WS really thinks of leaving the throne if it’s the throne or HS because the throne is not what he thought it will be and does not allow him to do what he wished to but Queen Sinjeong puts the kibosh on this idea when she clarifies that he can only leave the throne if he dies after she not so subtly threatens HS. When she shows WS the diary written in an unknown script, I’m not sure she believes in scratching the unwavering trust of WS toward HS, but she definitely is making a not-so-subtle threat against HS: she and her clan and allies can frame HS as a spy and he won’t be able to protect her. With HS it is kind of the same progression, as long as it is about others, their pressure and their arguments, he still resists her but when she speaks about herself, her feelings, incapacity to comply to palace rules etc., he gives in. Even if he needed this marriage and I am of the belief that it should have happen off screen even before he came back to Songak - he didn’t even need to live with his bride at the time as it was a deal between clans - it eventually all came back to HS which sounded a bit silly to me considering the time and situation… but as I wrote before I am not interested in romance and I was very disappointed with the political part. 

Interestingly enough, starting from there WS is quite consistent. In for a penny, in for a pound, if you start something you have to see it through to the bitter end and bitter it is for WS. He had to follow others’ will at the beginning then he worked what they made him do against them then he weakened those who had used his weakness against himself until he was the last man standing… literally - and very consistently with his behavior from the beginning either with an actual sword in his hand or a metaphorical one, he will be the last man standing… even if it means destroying his only friend in the process - remember Pat-pat?

 

Back to WS and HS, to be honest, if I was in HS’s shoes, I would have tried to run away since the beginning. The guy seems totally crazy and suffocating to me with his obsessive love, even before being a king and having the means and power to be even more suffocating, so I cannot fault her for wanting to leave the palace but I feel like she’s having all the wrong reasons. WS is an obsessive lover, I think it is due to his insecurities - scars and « ugly face », let me just burst out laughing like I did every time he uttered these words, it never gets old - and lack of love for most of his life coupled with thorough abuse and the emotional maturity of a 3 years old, forever stopped in development when his mother rejected him but knowing where it comes from doesn’t change the fact that it is unhealthy. He acts like it till the end the bitter end but HS shows that she is no better, with less reasons. So it is still obscure for me why she had to force this misery upon herself when all she thinks about all day is the guy she left. They both are obsessive lovers and everyone ends up miserable. I think that she believes that because she hates him at some times she doesn’t love him any longer… 

I don’t actually acknowledge the theory about the baby because of two reasons mostly:

1. purely extraneous: narratively speaking if you don’t show or - worst but still working - tell something as events enfold then it does not exist.
2. I am almost sure that when a King’s woman was leaving the palace - a very serious affair even though here it seems almost casual - it would be made sure that she was not pregnant with the King’s offspring, for obvious reasons - I think it was hinted at during the physician’s consultation of HS at WJ’s residence. Whatever the state of their relationship at the time, the woman would be kept in the palace until delivery. Which means that when she left the palace, HS’s pregnancy was early enough for the royal physician not to feel it. The timeline is not clear enough to make actual projections but I feel like she made her decision to leave before realizing she was pregnant - with what we have, I think she leaves the palace at the end of 951 and dies in 952 - but I guess realizing it made it impossible for her to turn back.

Edited November 4, 2016 by shamael

[bakafan]

45 minutes ago, maniac-moon said:

These instrumental OSTs are awesome

My most favorite is THE SORROW OF PRINCE

 

Yes indeed. For me THE LOVE OF HAESU.  In fact all of the OST are awesome Spotify has all the album! I can't stop listening...

[IAmSoulReader]

35 minutes ago, shamael said:

 

I don’t actually acknowledge the theory about the baby because of two reasons mostly:

1. purely extraneous: narratively speaking if you don’t show or - worst but still working - tell something as events enfold then it does not exist.
2. I am almost sure that when a King’s woman was leaving the palace - a very serious affair even though here it seems almost casual - it would be made sure that she was not pregnant with the King’s offspring, for obvious reasons - I think it was hinted at during the physician’s consultation of HS at WJ’s residence. Whatever the state of their relationship at the time, the woman would be kept in the palace until delivery. Which means that when she left the palace, HS’s pregnancy was early enough for the royal physician not to feel it. The timeline is not clear enough to make actual projections but I feel like she made her decision to leave before realizing she was pregnant - with what we have, I think she leaves the palace at the end of 951 and dies in 952 - but I guess realizing it made it impossible for her to turn back.

 

Apparently the heart of a baby starts to beat around the 5th week of a pregnancy. However, ultrasound will only show it a few weeks later. Now imagine how long it would take an ancient doctor to notice...

Hae Soo had today's knowledge about pregnancy and if they were having sex without protection  (which would have been the case) she was surely aware what would happen sooner or later.

To me it seemed as if she was quite aware of her pregnancy when she left. In fact it wasn’t CR's death that finalized her decision. It was most likely that she could not bear for her own child to suffer and be threatened like she had been all this while. It gave her the strength to walk away from the palace and So. I'm not sure if she could have done it otherwise. She is someone who invests her everything into the people she loves but rarely takes the easy way out and be selfish... 

I believe she knew quite well when her period was missing and it was too soon for the doctors to notice the second pulse. The doctor even said it himself. Last time he checked it wasn't strong enough for him to be noticed. She didn’t look surprised at all during the second examination. Even Jung seemed like he understood rather quickly what actually led to her decision as it didn't take him long to accept it.

I enjoyed your post! I don't quite share your thoughts on the baby matter though...

[fengari]

15 hours ago, tinniet said:

There'a a theory by @fengari that Baekah was the one who did the painting. After GJ realized that Soo wasn't from the same world with him (and somehow knew she was from the future) he decided to send her message by asking Baekah to visit all the remaining princes and put their best memory with Soo into painting. That's why there were painting of Soo following Wook's footstep in the snowfield, Jung protecting Soo from the bad guys, and Eun's birthday. Baekah also painted So's most defining moment: the ritual and the rain ceremony, and him standing alone in the palace. GJ knew these paintings would be preserved and make their ways to the future. That's the only way for him (and the princes) to remind her of them.

Now that I write this, I think JM did the right thing by reminding GHJ about her time in Goryeo, eventhough I initially thought he was cruel........... As much as Soo deserved happiness, she also deserved to remember because that life in Goryeo was a piece of her life too. Her entire time in Goryeo, though mostly sad, also had some happy moments she would like to treasure. How it feels to wake up and know that something's missing but have no idea what it is? Now at least she understood. Of course it would be very nice if she met the modern So too after this realization, which should have happened according to LJG.

@tinniet @may6 

 @may6 indeed, the "lonely WS"  painting can be Baek Ah ´s message to HS.I prefer to think that either it is WS either that WS is aware of this certain gesture of Baek Ah. Of course, it is equally plausible that the whole thing was only Baek Ah idea. He wanted to record all the happy moments of the "family" where HS is included, Because those paintings are  like a family album*: the games of the princes, Eun birthday´s song moment (in this very painting we can see also WS and YH who were apart from the others, and since those two were not visible to the other brothers, we can assume that the person who gave  to Baek Ah the whole picture of that moment  was WS).  However,  I  tend to believe that WS asked Baek Ah to prepare this family album, with  memorable moments for and of HS. Why? Because in  episode 19  WS poses for his portrait (not as a king, not in his throne) and he stresses to  the painter "-You have to draw me to look the same. I need it to feel like they are looking to me even by looking at the drawing.I have someone to give it to".  And by someone he meant HS. His words shows that he believed in the power of a picture, that a portrait can somehow be a substitute for the real thing. So, if he believed so, then he also needed those paintings  with HS moments; not only as legacy to HS,  but also for himself: on the one hand,  in order to relive those moments, on the other hand to know more about HS. Shortly, to have her by his side  at least through her pictures.

*In the same way, the stones where HS drew the portraits of the princes were the pages of her "family album".

[ruizaio]

@Gabi Bros @akinahana89 I'm pretty sure most of the cast and crew has seen both videos by now as they have a group chat open on Kakao Talk and communicate frequently among themselves. 

[40somethingahjumma]

Well, I'm not too fussed about whether So performed his conjugal obligations with Yeon Hwa before Su died or after. It was purely functional and strategic to get her on his side and turn her against her family... nothing more. He was married to her as the Queen and the expectation was sooner or later he would have to give her an heir. This show isn't The Moon that Embraces the Sun where for years and years the King is unrealistically able to hold back while mourning for his lost love. While I enjoyed TMTES very much, it's a highly unserious period drama based largely in fantasy.

Again, let me stress the importance of looking at this show historically. It's already been established time and time again that people didn't marry for love in this context. Marriage was almost entirely about political maneuvering and providing heirs. Polygamy was a legitimate practice to build one's family and carry on the bloodline. Categories such as infidelity and adultery especially for Kings just didn't exist. 

The fact that Wang So kept his his harem to the barest minimum number of women was already fairly unusual for his time. But I think too that was strategic because he didn't have to be beholden to the clans. It was rather clever of the show to pick Wang So as their main romantic protagonist in light of what we know from history. And if it makes anyone feel better, Su was probably our Wang So's first.  

One of the regrettable things about this show being only 20 episodes IMO is that we didn't get to see So do more things as Gwangjong. I would really have loved to see him implement his radical meritocratic vision to the ire of the clans. We saw him struggle against his political opponents in the early days of his ascension but I would have preferred to see him in action rather than being told that he was becoming the most powerful King of Goryeo.