Chickpea
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@perfectmouse. "...she (Gemma) may hurt some innocent people but she hasn't killed anyone. " Uh, believing you are justified in hurting innocent people is how you eventually end up killing people. Gemma didn't bring the truck of doom there but she disregarded stepmom's plea because she's bitter stepmom used her father's death to save her son's life. She sacrificed to make Jin-Ho a doctor but she can't see a mother using an opportunity to save her child's life and stepmom just did it again. I don't know if she's dense or blinded by her desire for revenge. Is Gemma responsible for step mom's death? As guilty as Tae-Gil, the son and big-mouth Aunty are for hatching the blackmail plan, benefitting from the surgery and not telling anyone else to go with stepmom. Kwon is a dangerous man and Gemma is playing a dangerous game that's out of her league and stepmom got killed.
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8 hours ago, maribella said:
Her Coffee mum died because the preview showed a funeral. It cannot be anyone else. If Gemma's human, she will self flagellate. It's true she and her brother had a hard life and practically supported themselves, but they grew up together instead of being sent to the orphanage because Coffee mum took them in.
SR's father was a funny man, so swindling a widow and her not quite all there son was considered undeserving of dying. If that happened to my mum, not sure if I would agree.
Miss M's retrogression was impelled more by New mum's death, I think. She seemed affected by SR's dad's death but more like, moving on. That idiot gangster caused New mum's death but was only imprisoned?
in this show murder attempts were just brushed off. Perhaps Gemma would drive away into the sunset - followed one of the idiot brothers.Also, remember stepmom begged to die to assuage the guilt she felt all these years and to stop Gemma's madness. She was willing to make that sacrifice and she did but her sacrifice means Kwon either hangs or spends a long time in an orange suit. That blowback will affect Hye-bin and World's Worse Mom more than anything inept Gemma could do. Did I misunderstand? Did Kwon tell his wife that she killed stepmom? Is that how this will go, he tries to frame WWM and she defends herself by proving he was behind stepmom's death? Hye-bin will really go off the deep end when that happens. And forget Tae-Gil and Aunty. No way that's gonna happen. Stepmom, not Gemma, is taking down the Kwons. Grandma will take down Lora...
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Well, preview for Ep. 71 has Gemma confronting the Kwons in funeral garb at a funeral hall so I guess we've arrived at that place where Gemma needs to assess whether this mess was worth her step mother's life. That said, at least Kwon will hang for stepmom if he doesn't for Mr. Kim.
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13 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:
So I'm going to go ahead and give that episode to Hye-Bin. The sole reason being, that she somehow seems to have found the weakness in HS's armor of obliviousness - It looks like our boy is finally starting to question Gemma's motives. Thank you Ms Hye-Bin.
Gemma & Auntie - Gemma gets full props for telling Auntie it wouldn't have mattered if she told her the truth, because "love is that way", but she loses props for saying "I didn't want to hurt you too" ... KS, HS, Grandma, Coffee Mom ... screw them, but i didn't want to hurt you? - Yeah Right
HK & Grandma - its not often Grandma gets outmaneuvered, but HK managed it in todays conversation
HS & Hye-Bin future - While I'll echo many of the sentiments of those here who don't want them together, I would be okay if they had a similar ending to the second leads in "She Would Never Know" - In the end there, after a period of time following an ugly messy breakup, from a relationship that shouldn't have happened, the two individually became successful, and in the end met simply as friends over lunch
Tae-Gil/Soo-Yeon - deep breaths - we knew this was coming, so lets just ride it out. It already looks like they are realizing, it doesn't matter what anyone else says, if they want to be together they can. I will say it was a d!&k move for Tae-Gil to hang up on Soo-Yeon when it was clearly apparent she wanted his comfort and assurance, I'm just hoping we get a flip on their initial encounters, and this time it will be Soo-Yeon chasing Tae-Gil ... just don't drag it out.
On the drama as a whole, I'm still in the minority as I am still enjoying it, but it looks like its starting to stall, and we've lost the standard "2 Day, crisis-to-resolution" - Additionally, its off the charts stupid that EVERYONE is talking about Gemma's revenge, and NO ONE is mentioning her fathers death. Just saying
Greetings
Since the reason for Gemma's revenge is her father's death, speaking about her revenge naturally implies speaking about the injustice of his death and the desire for justice to be realized. BUT Gemma's actions are themselves seemingly unjust. You don't get justice from piling on injustices. Just sayin...
Okay. Kwon needs to die.
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16 hours ago, rolisrntex said:
One thing I have learned while watching Kdrama is a good cast and production crew can't save a terrible script/story. (I'm looking at you "Suspicious Mother in Law" and "My Wonderful Life"). It is through that lens I view character/cast criticisms. The cast can only act the roles they are given. The cast doesn't get to write the script.
I have always wondered how many eye rolls there are during production meetings when cast members read their scripts for upcoming episodes for the first time behind the scenes.
It takes three elements to make a good drama, Cast Crew Script. If one of those elements is lacking, the production suffers.
Greetings,
I'm thinking maybe we're getting lost in the forest for the trees. The moral of the story might be that revenge hurts those who carry it out more than it hurts those against whom the revenge is directed. Professor told Gemma as much. But that would eliminate an entire genre of k-dramas and the revenge dramas tend to be my favorites. But I do think that moral is part of this story and at the end of it all, I hope Gemma doesn't find out that what she's gained in the process of obtaining her revenge wasn't worth all she lost carrying it out. I guess it's because what specific revenge against which specific person Gemma wants isn't clear. Does she want revenge against her mother for abandoning her, for being an accomplice to her father's death, for not going to Jin-Ho's side when he was dying, for loving Hye-bin, for making a new life and family for herself? And then there is the stolen shoes thing, the attempted murder thing and the attempt to frame her for the death of the person found in the fire. That's a lot of bad karma coming to World's Worst Mother and Gemma seems to think she, as the aggrieved daughter, sister, designer and victim must be the karmic angel avenger. But the problem is, in the process, she herself is doing things and hurting people that make her deserving of bad karma coming her way and she knows it and it doesn't deter her. To call Hye-bin a poorly behaved brat is to praise her and I think Gemma was dealing with her exactly right in the beginning of the drama: deprive her of the attention she so obviously craves. But I don't see how marrying the fiance gets back at Hye-bin for fudging the mattress numbers and attempted murder. Publishing the CCTV footage on the jumbo-tron in Lora Network's atrium would have been appropriate and enough, i.e., make Hye-bin take responsibility for her actions and face the condemnation of her "subordinates" unless Gemma has made the connection between Grandma's money, the grandsons and Hye-bin's parents getting their hands on it and she's playing 4D chess to prevent the Kwon's from getting Grandma's loot. But again, in the process she's using and hurting innocent people who have nothing to do with her father's and brother's death. Gemma has every right to want Kwon to take responsibility for his actions but so far, apart from the indirect hurting of Hye-bin, Gemma has done nothing to take him down. True, the statute of limitations on her father's death has passed (how does that happen?), but she still has all the evidence and can publish it and have Kwon judged in the court of public opinion if not in a court of law and for someone with Kwon's ambitions, that could be more devastating than if he had been arrested for the hit and run which, after all, was an accident that occurred in inclement weather, so he probably would have gotten a reduced sentence had it gone to court all those years ago but publishing her evidence now without those details will paint a picture of Kwon as the snake he is. But so far she's not doing any of that. So she's hurting Hye-bin, Grandma, the Professor and the Playboy, her friend and the boyfriend but all the adults--her mother, Kwon, Tae-Gil and adoptive mother who are all directly involved in, and profited from, her father's death are for the most part untouched by her revenge. There's just something so wrong in all this that its unjust. Usually in revenge drama's the purpose of the revenge is to correct an injustice but in this drama all Gemma's actions are directed at committing injustice against the innocent because she's angry with the guilty. I'm just waiting for Grandma to figure out the relation between her lost adopted son (Gemma's father) and Gemma and to know the full extent of World's Worst Mother's actions against them both. THEN we'll see a real revenge drama. Grandma will teach Gemma how it's done. And that's why I keep checking back. Cheers...
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2 hours ago, lila21 said:
I think HK was talking about her first husband Mr Kim the shoemaker, not chairman Kwon.
Greetings, so I just rewatched Ep. 66 at 13:06 and following. I guess it's not clear and I'm not a Korean speaker. She's going on and on about how she's still carrying the unhealed wounds left by Chairman abandoning her, says she hasn't yet forgiven him, etc. Then at the end she says she wishes she could carve out her memories and at this point if we remember back to the scene of a younger woman bursting into the church, it seems to me these are the memories she's talking about. I interpreted the person who violated her was the person who impregnated and then abandoned her to marry money then returning to make her his mistress and perhaps turning her into a murderer of Chairman's wife and mother. I get the violated could refer to the abusive first husband but violate is a bigger, badder word than abuse. It implies crossing a line that changes, harms, affects a person at a metaphysical level. She thought Chairman belonged to her and when he married he tossed her away only to bring her back not as a wife but as a mistress, an accomplice to murder and a mother who abandoned her children. We don't yet know enough of their history to figure that out. Seems to me that more fits the "violate" reference than the abuse of the first husband. But I could be wrong.... Happy Weekend..
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21 hours ago, tofumochu said:
Gemma is just firking nuts, Hyunseok is delulu, Kiseok should deck out & come back in 5y.
Hyunseok's inability to grasp Gemma's body language and romantic disinterest towards him leaves me astounded... The boy is head over heels in lurve with a blank slate of paper.
I cannot believe that someone like Bong Sunhwa seems to have a better / more organized plan than Gemma.
Greetings, and this is what I meant by my last comment regarding Gemma and this drama being a train wreck. There is a level of cruelty in her revenge that is lacking in other revenge dramas (the best kinds). And that cruelty makes her revenge unjust, makes her revenge harmful to other innocents and destroys herself. It's also the reason I'm thinking she's Chairman's biological daughter. Because her ambition, cruelty and viciousness more resemble her Mom and Chairman than the man who took Mom in, nursed. married and probably knowingly raised another man's child. Mom's comment two episodes ago about having been violated (by Chairman?) keep going thru my mind. Maybe the reason she dotes on Hye-bin is because she isn't Chairman's daughter and the reason she hates Gemma is she is Chairman's daughter and perhaps the product of that violation. Gemma being Chairman's daughter will also remove any taint of incest should eventually she and the Professor to get together in the end and makes way for Hye-bin to eventually get her playboy with everyone being in the same family but not related.
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This drama--and Gemma--are becoming train wrecks. The drama's not doing its job when you dislike the protagonist and start feeling sorry for the antagonist.
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Sigh. This Jin-A or Gemma just doesn't have what it takes to take down CEO.
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Uhhh... two week hiatus for a 30-minute drama because of the Olympics? Can these people walk and chew gum at the same time? Are the actors also athletes representing Korea? Don't get it...
Regarding the drama, I'm enjoying it despite most of the leads being unsympathetic. JA's mom making a 180 personality shift is interesting to me. Curly-haired mom is a likeable character prone to hysterics and it makes me nuts that she knows what the right thing to do is but then doesn't do it. The best actor, my opinion, is loan-shark grandma who at this point is my favorite character because of all the different ways she can destroy Lora and take down JA's mom especially when she finds out how she abandoned, then contributed to and covered up for her own benefit, the death of the adopted son she is looking for. I can't wait.
I'm not sure hit-and-run husband will take down Lora CEO. He can't without implicating himself. Part of his karma is watching his wife do to him what he made her do to JA's dad.
Lora's CEO is after grandma's money and she'll use whatever opportunity to get it whether marrying off her spawn, blackmailing grandma when she finds out they lied on the family register for the kidney transplant--and you know that's coming--or guilting and manipulating JA when she realizes her true identity.
I'm already steadying myself for frustration because these goody-two-shoes characters always start out wanting (deserved) revenge or justice and end up trying to reform the bad guys. Fortunately grandma isn't the wishy-washy sentimental type and that's where the real justice will come from fueled by her guilt that JA's dad had been abandoned by her husband then her rage at what Lora's CEO and husband did to him and then the subsequent abandonment of her grandson, JH.
One good thing, though. When all is revealed the leads are all cousins so no couples can be shipped and that's a good thing because none of these characters should be allowed to procreate.
Happy hiatus!
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@fluffyloaf. Bravo, bravo. Especially your insight about JH loving without wanting and YS to be loved without trying. This is the essence of the lover and the beloved and an unconditional love.
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@Emily Bett. Greetings, chingu. I just wanted to remind that "unfulfilled love" is also called "romance". Those whom Shakespeare calls "star-crossed lovers" are those who "fate" determines can never be together. The challenges a couple must overcome--and death is a pretty devastating challenge--increases their (and our) desire, longing and frustration for that which should be and yet can never be. This is romance and it's why we remember stories like Romeo and Juliet. The alternative is, after the honeymoon, a lifetime of same old, same old. Think of YS and GS as SJ's sister and brother in law for all eternity. No one's writing dramas about them. YS and GS found their one great love in this lifetime even if it can never come to fruition. And that finding and losing is the great romance of their lives. Most people are not so fortunate even if they end up marrying. GS, if he dies, does so as a man in love knowing the object of his love will be herself well loved and cared for after him. He can die in peace. YS, by marrying her second choice, if that's what happens, lets her great love go in peace and the memory of their love will be part of her forever even if she goes on in life with second best. JH, if she marries him, loves YS so much that he is willing to live in GS's shadow always knowing he is second in YS's heart and memories. And he too is entering into this marriage to let GS go in peace. As I said earlier, everyone in this drama is making the right, the difficult but the courageous, choice. Cheers.
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Greetings, All
I haven't seen episode 119 with subtitles yet nor, of course, episode 120 but let me tell you why despite the frustrations I enjoyed this drama. Simply because every character in the drama ended up doing the right thing. Every character was faced with dilemma that required making a moral choice, a courageous choice and they could choose revenge, vengeance and greed but instead whether by choice or circumstance they chose forgiveness. reconciliation and charity, which is the highest expression of love. In a previous posting I said this drama explored the myriad facets of love and I stand by that. I also said the plot reminded me of Pearl Buck's The Good Earth. I stand by that. Someone above wisely noted that death is a fact of life and we must face that fact. I agree and the way I see it, GS's life could have been different. He could have dropped YS off at a orphanage but he didn't and all the relationships in the drama flow from that decision the way a tree grows from an acorn. I think it's not a coincidence that GS asks YS for a tree pod burial, because this is what he's done his entire life. And GS's good example influences the choices, molds the character of the people, who make up the Diner family. It's like the theme of It's a Beautiful Life, each individual life touches every other life even those we're unaware of and, in the case of those lives that are Good Earth or Good Supper, those lives bless, benefit and become the basis for good and strong communities small and large that make up this wonderful planet we all call home. Thanks for the company, chingu. Until the next drama... CP
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Episode 114. Okay. I'm a sap. Another episode that had my eyes watering up throughout even for, or maybe especially for, SJ. But I think I now "get" the title of the show, "A Good Supper" and YS's answer in the interview that drew her to SJ's attention, that she wanted to be "a good meal". That fateful comment started this ball rolling. It's like the title of Pearl S. Buck's amazing novel "The Good Earth" where you initially think the Earth is the land from which the farmer makes his living and you realize at the end the "Good Earth" was his wife whose wisdom, sacrifice, hard work and persistence brings him wealth in land, business, family and reputation even though he has earned little, and deserves, none of it. GS is the good meal. He is warm, inviting, welcoming at the end of a cold or difficult day, a place of peace, comfort and sustenance around whom orphans find family, children become adults and make their way in the world, lies and betrayals come to light and are forgiven and one woman in particular comes to realize the wealth she insisted she was due and lied, cheated and murdered to acquire was just an illusion. Her real wealth was the young man she left behind--abandoned, neglected, disparaged and totally misunderstood blinded as she was by her greed--until there was nothing left for her but regret. Well done, writer-nim, well done. Now, don't burst my bubble and make Da-bok fatherless. That would be unnecessary, unfair and unwarranted. CP
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Episode 113. My heart is breaking...
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21 hours ago, marrez1 said:
I do not understand, the doctor told him that he suspected something in the lung, but not that it was confirmed? we should have had another more explicit scene. And even there would be no treatment!!!!
Agree. I thought the doctor told him to take more tests but said survival rates for lung cancer in Korea are 30 percent. It seems KS doesn't plan on getting treatment. My hope is Mr. Kang will step in and send KS abroad with YS. I'm having deja vu of the last episode of Winter Sonata.
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Greetings, Ladies,
My comment wasn't to provide cover for SJ's past bad actions. That's all on her. But I don't think any mother gives up her child easily, without thought or without believing the child will have a better life without her. To find out, after the fact, that KS missed out on most of the things that 20 year olds do to raise another woman's child, a rival's child, must hurt and would make anyone angry. You give up your child for a better life only to find out he had no life. That's tragic and that's on her too. I'm nominating KS for k-drama sainthood because his life has been one of sacrifice and duty. In my world, that's called "heroic virtue".
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3 hours ago, TRAN said:
They have 15 years age gap, she came to him as 8 years old.
Still hoping YS stay true to herself and not going to be with JH.
Still, he was 23? Then I'd say SJ has a right to be angry...
BTW, did KS tell Kang he's dying? I'm beginning to feel like I'm watching a Greek tragedy...
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On 6/19/2021 at 12:13 AM, TRAN said:
Okay, GS says he's turning 40 soon, so he is 39 and YS now 24. So could it be the preview about her crying her heart out was when GS got hit at the warehouse?
Uhhh... can writer-nim do math? This gives them a 15-year age difference. So, GS was 15 when YS was born, she came to him at 6? So, he completed his education, mandatory military service, was running the Diner and raising a little girl at 21? Amazing.
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Episode 110. Oh-oh. That comment about YS taking care of DJ if OB "leaves" has me nervous. GS has lung cancer? Writer-nim better get ready for banishment...
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What a glorious episode... even without subtitles.
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Ep. 108 without subtitles. Is DJ's mom really going to sit up all night to make sure OB studies? Even after working all day? This woman gives Tiger Mom-in-Law teeth. YOU ARE MY HERO!!! Fighting, DJ's mom...
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@maribella
Sssshhhh... let's not jinx OB and DJ. If she sticks with the original synopsis for OB, I'm with you. Writer-nim should be forever banished from k-drama land. If things turn out badly only for those who deserve it--SJ, Manager Oh, the miscreant brother--then the k-drama "skies" should smile upon her yet another day. From the preview of Ep.108--well, it didn't take long for YS to learn how to walk into a corporate HQ like a chaebol's daughter. I guess this puts Mr. Proper JH in his place... which is nowhere near YS... Cheers.
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Today's episode... well that happened quickly and without drama. Chairman needs a food taster and fast since the only way SJ gets her hands on the company now is as his wife if he dies before acknowledging YS as his daughter.
OB and DJ make such a cute couple.
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[Drama 2021] Red Shoes, 빨강 구두
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Greetings
I just wanted to propose another way of looking at the visitation. Stepmom has passed but not yet "gone very far away" but instead of haunting WWM, she visits Grandma and asks her to keep Gemma close to her and to comfort her (my interpretation of the hug comment). Why would Stepmom do this and make this request of Grandma? I propose that in the transition period, she has knowledge of Gemma's father's relationship to Grandma and so she knows Gemma is her granddaughter. It's kind of like saying, grandma your granddaughter, granddaughter your grandmother. If Grandma reaches out, Gemma will respond. When Grandma finds out what WWM and Kwon did TO HER SON there will be a personal, in-your-face revenge but not from Gemma, from the mother who never intended to abandon Kim. If Grandma continues to keep Gemma at arm's length, she'll never figure out these things which also weigh heavy on her heart so Stepmom asks her to keep Gemma close, so with time and closeness Gemma will open up and the whole, full, ugly truth will come to light. She can't come out and say, Gemma is your granddaughter, WWM abandoned your son and grandchildren, turned her back on your grandson and Kwon killed your son and tried to kill Gemma. She can only point her in the right direction so that she freely uses her own will to discover the truth. This also resolves the issues with the brothers since Gemma is their first cousin by adoption so legally I don't think they can marry. I believe Grandma felt this too when she said in an earlier episode that she didn't want Gemma for her grandson but she likewise didn't want Gemma to go to anyone else. Maybe Gemma will end up with first wife's son. Happy weekend.