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5 hours ago, maribella said:
The FL was the bio daughter of her father and the lawyer was the bio son of the mother. They became a family and they were devoted to each other. I wonder what happened to the lawyer and YJ's fluff head sister? Her name in his phone was something love, so it must have become serious, even though it was pretend in the beginning. I hope we don't have to watch episodes of them breaking up and making up.
@maribella... Good morning! I don't know how to do advanced things like copy and paste so the item above is what I'm responding to here.
This is what I remember. GU is not the biological daughter of her "mother". Then, who is her biological mother? Please drama gods, don't let HY and GU be half-sisters. So the Demon takes down YJ for SY's death and takes down his father with her own mother's accident, death and JS's condition? Is that how this is going to go? With the Nam men gone, HC feels he has no other option but to turn to the Demon. That gives her control of YG Group?
Watching Ep. 85 w/out subs so know that I will have more to gripe about in this forum later. So much about this drama is turning out to be frustrating. The good news... we're 19 episodes away from the conclusion.
What!!! Just watched this moral mess without subs. Did I just hear the Demon call her father-in-law, "Daddy"?
You know, here's my rant for today. I love kdramas. My first was Winter Sonata which was beautiful and raised an interesting question... is someone who they are if they don't retain their memories. It was an odd situation but a relatable one that occurs to actual people in the real world. Since our memories don't exist in an organ--it's a spiritual power not a physical one--our memories live forever in our soul. Our memories also shape the person we are and memory is how we learn. Learning is nothing more than memories built upon other memories. So the question of how much of our identity do we retain if we lose our memories doesn't lead to ridiculousness If anything, it leads to sympathy for the one who lost his/her memories.
This drama, however, has gone there. There was a switch of souls. There was a switch of the spiritual power of a human being. Once you're no longer dealing with the physical body, you're dealing with moral questions. So, the question of this drama is, is someone who they are if there's a swap of their soul. It assumes that bodies and souls are not intrinsically linked and I understand there are some philosophies that believe this. That's not what this is about. This rant is about... look at how many moral violations have occurred because of this "swap of souls"... several murders, several attempted murders, theft all over the place, I'm not sure if working in a bar constitutes prostitution but there you go, lying, presenting people as who they are not--not just the women in veils but also the Demon giving the real JAR a fake sister--medical professionals violating their oaths for profit, medical professionals acting as hitmen or women, adultery, rape, more betrayal than I can recount on all my fingers and toes and now... incest? YJ is married to his half-sister? And don't get me started on all the mismanaged relationships this results in and the fact that, going forward, the child HN will have no one to donate an organ if she needs it because biological mom is dead and biological dad will be in prison for a long time.
Now, I am now watching this without subs so I could be wrong but I don't think I'm far off. The Demon is somehow related to the Nams because that entire family is psychotic. Who in their right mind thought this moral disaster would be "entertainment" for the Korean public or kdrama fans. What I like about kdramas usually are the fact that they promote the kind of good morals and family values completely missing in Western "entertainment". But this drama has gone off the deep end. I enjoy revenge dramas which is why I started watching this. I was in a recovery room and the drama was on the tele and I saw the moment the souls switch and I was hooked. But now this drama has got me ticked because it falls so far from the mark of what kdramas usually are. I don't know if this is deliberate or happened organically because once you switch souls and enter the realm of metaphysics where angels and demons reside, you end up with situations that are beyond the ability of most people just living their lives to cope with. Is this "entertainment"? I think not.
Honorary Chairman is not going to be in need of someone to run YJ Group. He's in need of an exorcist.. and fast. I'll probably rant more after watching this mess with subs but that's it for now.
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5 minutes ago, crystaltears said:
the real question is how or why did GU even marry into that family in the first place?
Time for uncle Ji Seok to have Savant Syndrome and start his own revenge plot
Greetings Chingu. If I remember correctly, Honorary Chairman selected GU to be his granddaughter in-law. YJ could only inherit if he married GU. Why she was chosen, I don't know. Maybe we'll find out it was GUs biological mother, not the Demon's mother, who died to save JiSeok and this is how HC decided to pay her back. I remember one of those blah segments where it came out that GU is, I believe, adopted.
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Ep. 84. Watching this and it's ticking me off so bad I have to post as things happen. So YJ's father instigated the car accident that resulted in JiSeok's condition. I thought he was born disabled but apparently he was a genius until the car accident. He's the oldest son and was heir so his younger brother tried to take him out. GU's father was getting too close to the truth so after YJ and the Demon killed SY and pinned it on him, YJ's father used that opportunity to take him out permanently so no one would find out he is behind JS's condition. This is a dumb turn to the story. Not to mention the ridiculous turn that GU must now live forever in SRs body and nobody has a problem with that. Head-scratching-ly stupid. Who wants to bet the Demon gets the goods on YJ's father and that's how she takes control of YJ Group.
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Ep. 84 with subs. SR passed away... They're having a talk in the restaurant and talk about SR passed away and Uncle didn't join because he still in mourning. HN got SR's liver, which saved her life. Unbelievable. Why even create the SR character in the first place... This is a weird twist that only makes sense in kdrama world. How weird to live half your life in one body and the second half in someone else's. Is GUSR related to Uncle since he's SR's biological family? What happens to GUSR's relationship to the Jangs? What is her relationship to HN? Legally she's OSR so is a stranger to HN. I understand YJ's mother going off. This is weird.. What??? They killed off SR to clear a path for MalJa and Uncle???
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Ep. 84. Watching raw, not a Korean speaker. But it seems they're telling the Nam family about the soul switch so now everyone knows. That could mean SR is dead; it could mean she's in a coma... everyone is also calling GU as GU even though she's in SR's body. But SR's uncle doesn't appear to be in mourning nor the ahjumma. Nam family, mom especially, is ticked. Wonder if GU in SR's body threatened YJ into giving up parental rights for HN.
What!!! Did YJ's father arrange the setup and murder of GU's father?
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@crystaltears Agree with your assessment of the Honorary Chairman. Obviously something happened but what HY believes, that HC intervened to save his son which resulted in her mother's death, is based on what her uncle told her and what he believes will always be what he can use to extort money from someone. HC has shown only goodness throughout the drama. Leopards don't change their spots...
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Ep. 83. What!!! Didn't see that coming but also did see it coming. OSR can't be dead; otherwise, the souls can't go back to where they belong. These dramas are huge on everything going back where it belongs. What I do think is she's out of the game for now until the truck of doom comes for JGU. She's just too volatile and unpredictable. She acts on emotion which puts her at a huge disadvantage with the Demon (my new name for HY-masquerading-as-JAR). Then the souls switch and revived OSR has amnesia which gives her a modicum of peace. That's my hope. But the Demon getting her hands on the flash drive has just ruined my weekend, maybe my next five weekends... Have a good one, chingus!
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@Lmangla Greetings, chingu! Is it just me or does anyone else think stoic, reasonable, calm lawyer brother is just the kind of man OSR needs? I get the writer seems to want to put him together with dimwit sister clone of her mother but that would be, in my opinion, a waste of man-kind. Not to mention keeping the Nams and Jungs in a family relationship. Like I said above, OSR is a brat, she's headstrong and she is in serious need of something to control her emotions and a good spanking. But she's basically a good person. She's has good values, principals, she's independent, she's courageous. Kind of like all the qualities you want in an attorney... And marrying into the Jungs will give OSR a family, she'll no longer be an orphan. The synopsis says she's an heiress who "owns everything". I don't see it but, okay, maybe the tantrums are how we're supposed to see her as a brat. She's the character who will come the farthest in this drama. JGU and TY make a good couple because they're also so alike. Boring, as you said. The kind of people who will go to work, pay taxes, raise HN and not make waves. OSR and lawyer brother are the kind of people who make waves, ride those waves, change lives and society. By right HYMAJAR belongs in the Nam family. They made her what she is, they should fix it. I think that's what Honorary Chairman is trying to do. But she's so warped. You mentioned the original actress played OSR as a murderous psychopath. There's also the order she gave for NYJ to be killed so he couldn't donate his liver. I don't know... like I said, OSR is a basket case of volatile emotions. I don't think she'd actually kill anyone, I think she just "wishes them dead" as we say. When the curly headed fellow mentioned she ordered him to kill NYJ, she rolled her eyes. That's not what, say, HYMAJAR would do. That's what someone does to say, "seriously? you took me seriously?". Trying to strangle JGU, well, she did think the Jungs killed her sister, JGU was responsible for TY maybe being at death's door and we needed a catalyst for the soul switch. My point is, OSR has never actually killed anyone, just threatened to do so. How many people has HYMAJAR actually killed? Two? Three? With two more attempted murders? To paraphrase my very wise momma... sticks and stones may break my bones but threats will never harm me... Can't wait...
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It's Christmas in July! Two/two of HY-masquerading-as-JAR's lies revealed in one episode. Buckle up! You know OSR & JGU are going to get seriously hurt at the hands of HYMAJAR since their souls need to go back to their original corporeal form. Now that the jig is up & OSR has the flash drive, they can each go back to their original form and jointly carry out their revenge. It seems, however, the story is veering off track. Instead of pursuing her revenge against the Nams, HYMAJAR will now be obsessed with retrieving the flash drive and ridding the world of OSR. Woo hoo! You know, the more I get to know OSR, the better I like her. She's a basket case of volatile emotions but she has courage and principles.
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In an earlier post on this site, there was speculation that TY was Honorary Chairman's son. And that made sense to me. The revered watch, I thought, was from a lost love. But in today's episode, Chairman and TY's mother were together at the hospital and they appeared to be strangers. So not long lost lovers. If I remember the story correctly, the uncle claims HC attempted to save his son which resulted in the death of HY-masquerading-as-JAR's mother and that's behind her homicidal obsession for revenge. So does that mean TY is HC's grandson from a deceased older son or that, like she did with HaNeul, TY's mother adopted him as well? Perhaps the toxins HYMAJAR has been slipping into HC's tea will cause some organ damage and TY gets found out to be a relative when tested for an organ donation. Did he get tested to see if he could donate to HN? Then his results are already on file at the hospital. Ah, well. I guess we'll know over the next few weeks. Cheers.
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Woo hoo! Looks like we're finally here. In Episode 82, SR-in-GU's body learns the truth, has the evidence HY- pretending-to-be-JAR killed her sister. Now she knows GU-in-SR's body has been telling the truth all along. The serpent analogy fits not just because of the characters but because these characters are shedding and growing new skins all over the drama. Which, by the way, is misnamed, it properly should be Women in Veils. That said, I've hung around and given up 41 hours of my life, to be here... watching insanely jealous and vindictive SR's-soul-in-GU's-body go after insanely criminal and murderous HY-pretending-to-be-JAR. And this had to be because GU in her own body, or SR's, is just too much of a wimp to take down HY-pretending-to-be-JAR. And we now know why Karma had to switch the souls, not just to prevent SR from committing murder, or murder the wrong person, but only SR could have gotten into her house to find the flash drive in the couch. So, who "unveils" the woman masquerading as JAR? The ticked off ex-friend, the ticked off uncle, the bar owner, the compatriots in stealing YG Group or Secretary Kim? Seeing SR-in-GU's body exit the police station with the lawyer makes my heart jump for joy but I know we're still 20-25 episodes away from any arrest so, be still my heart. This drama piqued my interest, so I've started Man in a Veil. Several actors are in both dramas. Contrary to other opinions on this site, I enjoy hating the characters the actress-masquerading-as-JAR plays. She plays the femme fatale really well. I've seen her in three dramas where she plays that role. Everyone wants to be the protagonist, not everyone can pull off being the antagonist. I give her credit. I don't even want to think about what I would do if I ran in to JAR in a grocery store or Cafe. That tells me she does her craft well. Tomorrow can't come soon enough... Cheers.
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Greetings, Chingu
First time posting for this drama but I have enjoyed reading all your insightful comments. I found this drama within the last two weeks and have only just caught up. I have never seen such an "adult" k-drama and have only been able to digest it in small snippets while the kiddies weren't around... and I'm not the only one... my friends who are also watching the drama have noted that they've never seen a drama with such explicit scenes. That's not criticism; that's to set up what I'm about to say.
Someone in the thread with a good eye commented on the serpent iconography in the drama and that's primarily the topic about which I want to muse. I agree it's probably meant to invoke, in the mind of the beholder, the story of the fall in Genesis. But the serpent, as also noted by the commentor with a good eye, is that in the Old Testament the serpent is a sign of healing. I want to add that in the pre-Christian world, the serpent is a sign of wisdom. In Genesis 3 the serpent is described as "the most cunning of any animal" and in Matthew 10:16, Jesus tells the disciples to be "as gentle as lambs and as wise as serpents". I also want to note that in the story of the fall, it is not the serpent who causes Eve to disobey God, but Satan using the voice of the serpent for which the serpent pays the eternal price of crawling on its belly (i.e., the loss of its limbs) and eternal enmity between it and humankind. The proof of this, if you believe, may be the fact that the image of the serpent evokes a kind of universal "a priori" (i.e., before knowledge or experience) response, usually fear or revulsion, by humans toward serpents. In other words, since we are all children of the first man (i.e., Adam) and the first woman (i.e., Eve), we inherit from them in our human DNA per se the knowledge of the fall and the complicity of the serpent in that fall, the knowledge of what was lost and the appropriate reaction towards the agent of that loss. Only the agent of that loss was Satan, not the serpent. But I'm getting off topic here. Just keep in mind, it was Satan who was the tempter, not the serpent, that's my point. Another characteristic of the serpent is its shedding of its skin. Periodically the serpent sloughs off its skin and moves on. I think all of this is relevant to the drama. So is our Eve a child of Satan, i.e., a tempter, or a child of God and an avenging angel. Be as gentle as lambs but as wise as serpents.
The early episodes would absolutely lead one to believe that LRE is a child of Satan, a tempter, consumed by hatred, focused on revenge and using whatever and whoever comes her way towards that goal. But women have used their bodies to lure, ensnare and control men since Eve did it to Adam so is that not a kind of women's wisdom. I believe the modern term for this is "soft power". Be as gentle as lambs but as wise as serpents. Men possess and use a physical superiority; women use a kind of physical wisdom to tame and control that superiority. In the drama LRE, while still a high schooler, learned and mastered this ability to tame and control the masculine we're told, via the tango. I know nothing about the validity of that but it's the drama's line. The tango is the mechanism LRE uses to highlight sensuality which draws to her the target as surely as a web will lure in then trap the spider's next meal. LRE was an early victim of masculine superiority and it cost her her parents, her company, her inheritance and her innocence. She learned that she was powerless against the masculinity of the Hans. Here I mean masculine things like violence, coercion and the power of money and influence that the Hans use and to this end I would argue that HSR is a masculine character. So, as women have done since Eve, if you can't beat them, control them. Be as gentle as lambs but as wise as serpents. You can see this in the scenes of LRE with her husband and KYG in which she is practically a dominatrix exerting, showing and proving to herself and to them, her control over them. A side note about the tango, at least as its presented in the drama. It's the vehicle for LRE to display her femininity, thus the make-up, the costumes, the "subservient" partner in the dance. It's this that attracts the masculine. And this is human wisdom. Opposites attract and the more pronounced the opposites are, the greater the attraction will be. Be as gentle as lambs but as wise as serpents.
Even HSR is drawn to the tango as a means to save her marriage but she's too "masculine" to carry it out. I note that she, too, has a piece of serpent jewelry, the bracelet the salesgirl puts on her arm that she doesn't even look at when KYG doesn't come home for her birthday. It's a coiled serpent, a serpent about to strike. This is not a symbol of wisdom but one of power, a threat. It is a masculine symbol.
What was the promise of Satan to Eve in the garden? The knowledge of good and evil. The power God reserved for Himself or "to become like God". The promise of Satan to Eve was that she and Adam would become equal to God, they would have power. What is it the Hans seek? Power, hard power, and money as a means to acquiring that power. What was it that her husband and KYG sought when they entered into relationship with the Hans? To acquire some of the Han power for themselves. What causes that lacky VP to do all the evil he does? To be near and bask in the light of Han power. But Han power is rooted in actual or metaphorical brute force, it lacks intelligence, sophistication and wisdom. Be as gentle as lambs and as wise as serpents.
So, is LRE a tempter or an avenging angel? I would also note another name for God in the bible is Wisdom, Holy Wisdom. We humans can only imperfectly reflect God's glory so while we can never aspire to Holy Wisdom, there is an entire field of human knowledge called philosophy meaning "lovers of wisdom". In other words, the best humans can do is practice the discipline of wisdom. So, what will the ending of the story be? Will power crush wisdom or will wisdom triumph over power.
Because her husband and KYG were not as totally consumed by the Hans as say, the lacky VP is, there was hope for them. They could be pulled back from slipping into the pit of Hell where the Hans live. But to do that something, someone, needed to grab them at an "a priori" level--the gut level--and draw them away from the Hans because their best thinking had led them to the Hans. So while LRE was using them for her "revenge", her actions also saved them from becoming the evil, lacky VP. And while one can say using people is also wrong, her husband used her first so LRE using him first to go after the Hans is justice, giving him what he deserves. Be as gentle as lambs but as wise as serpents.
What about KYG? There's this thing I notice about k-dramas. They put lots of emphasis on fate. Like the person you run in to over and again is your "fated" partner. When LRE was leaving the woman who taught her the tango, she bumped into KYG as he was entering perhaps to take her place. I call that fate. She thought he engineered the takeover of her father's company. HSR told LRE her father's company was her "dowry" meaning her father stole the company to give to KYG or his family in return for the marriage. This makes KYG a victim too. He may have been a willing victim but he's a victim nonetheless. He may have received the company for marriage but he was not involved in the theft of the company for the marriage. If we know that, LRE knows that. More important, KYG knows that. If he wants the company and his freedom, that is at his fingertips, or rather, LRE's. Be as gentle as lambs but as wise as serpents.
What about LRE? The serpent sheds its skin. LRE shed the skin of her father's daughter and a victim and went on to become the wife of her husband and an avenger. She shed that skin to become the partner of KYG and nemesis of HSR. She will shed that skin too but what comes next remains to be seen. If KYG is wise, he will help LRE and the victims of LY Group to obtain the justice they deserve and once she is in control of LYG, he can throw himself at her mercy in the hopes of acquiring his freedom, the love of LRE and help in the running of LYG. The alternative is throwing himself at the mercy of his father and the Hans and living the rest of his life as he lived the first part of his life, subservient to and disrespected by his father, brother and the Hans. If he is wise, he will live the second half of his life as the son of a housekeeper who got lucky in business and in love and married the true owner of Gediks. Be as gentle as lambs but as wise as serpents. Is KYG wise?
What about SEP? Unfortunately, I don't think there's a future for SEP with LRE or anyone else. He thinks the way to fight power is through the accumulation of power. But that is only true if the Hans haven't already compromised the person who grants him his power. And they already have. SEP has never said he sees LRE as a woman, but as a family member. His heart is that of a human rights lawyer. I think SEP is the way Daddy Han ends up in prison for the rest of his life.
Well, those are my thoughts for what they're worth. I've read so many interesting comments I thought I'd just share mine. Really looking forward to the rest of the drama and remember... be as gentle as lambs and as wise as serpents. CP
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Episode 100. A very satisfying ending. I had no idea how Writer-nim would pull it off, but Writer-nim did. (bowing emoggi) So, the "woman" who took down Min was Min herself, or rather, her conscience. It turns out that Kwon and Min really are some sort of star-crossed lovers only it's not a family feud that is the catalyst for their demise but their own ambitions. I have to say my favorite character in this drama for her wisdom is Grandma but my favorite actor in the drama for her range is Min. Everyone comes to realize how acting out in anger results, as Grandma said in Ep. 99 and as Kwon said in this episode, in their own regret, loss and unhappiness. I am happy that it seems Grandma died without ever knowing Gemma was not a Kim. Geez, Prof, ten years? Move on already. Gemma is a confirmed bachelorette. I love how the opening and closing scenes between Min and Gemma juxtapose the power center shifts and Min reaching out to Gemma as she walks away is exactly the same as Gemma reaching out Min when she came to ask her to visit Jin-Ho and she walks away. I hope Gemma has learned from her mother's mistakes and that rather than think she can, in fact, walk away from her past, that she brings her past--good and bad--along with her into the future. Min's final words to Gemma in the office about how she was thankful Gemma endured are high praise coming, as they are, from a woman who herself endured so much. If the ending is open-ended, it is also hopeful. JH's suspicions about Min were resolved by his grandmother herself and Min told Gemma she had been living in a self-imposed prison since she married Kim and into the present. With everything out in the open, with all the relationships clarified and verified, with Kwon taking responsibility for the deaths of Kim, Step Mom and the Prisoner and with Min finally "at peace in her heart" the seeds for that "kumbaya" ending people were talking about are all there. I guess we'll just never know if, as Grandma said, forgiveness rains down from above and those seeds bear fruit. It was great interacting with you all here. Best wishes for a wonderful holiday season and I wish you all health and happiness in the New Year. CP
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Ep. 99. Best episode yet! Revenge begets revenge; hatred begets hatred and doesn't make one happy. People punish themselves because forgiveness is a divine attribute, i.e., karma or justice. I like Grandma more every time I see her. I hope this wise woman never finds out Gemma is not her grand daughter since believing that gives her such comfort. After she passes, Gemma can marry her Professor. And keeping that secret means she will continue to keep Lora afloat. But my guess is, even if she finds out Gemma's father was Kwon and not Kim, she will still accept her since Gemma has always only known Kim as her father and all her actions were to make Kwon and Min take responsibility for Kim's death. Then there's Jin-Ho, Grandma's real grandson by Kim. Grandma knows how Gemma put him through medical school. I guess the question of blood ties versus family ties is pretty central to this drama. The people related by blood or marriage don't really like each other very much, ergo, I love you but I loathe you. But the people brought together by circumstance form a strong, supportive and loving family. Maybe that's a theme of this drama, the evolution of the idea of family in the culture.
After all that, the Serpent slithers back into Eden hell-bent on devouring the world she can no longer control. Who will be the woman that crushes her head? Gemma or Grandma or Secretary or the Waitress or the sister-in-law or Hye-bin. In a few hours we'll know... CP
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Ep. 98. God bless Grandma. She may be a loan shark but she's got morals and a good head on her shoulders. She's not affecting revenge, she's causing Kwon to take responsibility for his actions. That's called justice.
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Hmm... interesting insights here. Regarding Episode 97, probably the only recent comment I agree with is the quality of actors in the daily dramas, which is why they are my favorite. Other than that, here's what I don't get... we still have seen no evidence that Kim raped Min other than her assertions that it happened. Min said in Ep. 97 that Kim told her Gemma's blood type was B, meaning Kim knew Gemma was not his child. I saw no evidence of Kim abusing Gemma as a child. We also saw Kim abusing Min after he was aware she was involved again with Kwon. As I previously said, what man would not be jealous of that situation and after raising Kwon's child. Also as I said, while jealousy was no reason to raise his hand to Min, I've stopped counting the number of times Min slapped, pushed and threw things at Gemma, Secretary, Housekeeper, JH aka real Lora owner. I've lost count of the number of times Kwon slapped, pushed and poked Min; Kwon pushed Gemma and Uncle, Kwon punched JH. I think it was two or three times Grandma threw things at Gemma. Min slapped Playboy once; Kwon punched him once. The brothers threw punches at each other a couple of times. Then HB tries to kill Gemma twice and Min tries to kill her once and Kwon tries to kill her thrice. Kwon actually does kill or facilitate the deaths of Kim, Step Mom and the Prisoner. Not to be outdone, Min after being an accessory to murder in the death of Kim, tries to kill her own daughter and, after failing, tries to use Kwon to murder HER OWN DAUGHTER. Their greed has made these people sick and no amount of "I love you but I loathe you" can change that. That nonsense fails even as an excuse to a sane person. What? I love you but I loathe you allows me to cheat on my spouse, run over my spouse, abandon my children, pay off witnesses to my crimes, steal Lora from its rightful owner, evict JH from his family home and his native country, bribe politicians, steal the intellectual property of unknown shoe designers, plot to murder or actually murder my rivals and witnesses to my bad deeds. Min will allow Kwon to murder her daughter but she won't allow him to murder his daughter. In what world is that moral. Kwon has no compunction about murdering other people but when he finds out he's about to murder his own daughter, the tears and remorse flow and I'm supposed to feel sympathy for him? I'm supposed to listen to this "I love you but I loathe you" and forget about all the criminal actions these two have done, the people they've stepped on, the bodies they've buried, the families and lives they've destroyed throughout this drama and, what? See them as Romeo and Juliet? The moral of this story is what? It's okay to abuse, steal, step on and murder other people's kids but not your own? Does any sane person agree with this? Would you want Min or Kwon to be your boss or your child's boss? JH was running around Episode 97 like a chicken without a head trying to convince Min to call Kwon off. How can someone who can't call the cops to stop a murder run a company as big as Lora supposedly is. The only people in this drama with sense and deserving of praise, in my opinion, are the Secretary and her father. I see nothing, absolutely nothing, redeeming about these people and Episode 97 didn't make me warm up to them, it ticked me off that Writer-nim thinks I'm so dull as to empathize with them as if the previous 96 episodes never happened. I think the problem is the 100 episode limit. Writer-nim doesn't have an addition 20 episodes to develop a "just" ending which deals with the bad deeds of all these people so is going for the "all is forgiven" ending that unifies this family but in that scenario, the bad guys win, win, win big and the bodies still stay buried, the poor families are still separated forever, the intellectual property of unknown designers is still stolen and none of these people learn the lesson that Min and Step Mom put their shoes on the same way every day. Just because Min's shoes cost more than Step Mom's shoes doesn't mean she's a better person. Step Mom valued Gemma more than her shoes; Min valued her shoes more than her children. That means, in my book, Step Mom is a far better, far wiser, far nobler and far wealthier person than Min ever was. CP
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Episode 97. What a lame episode.
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17 hours ago, maribella said:
So very different. She looks 18.
Are you sure it's the same show? Samyong villa, or something love.I don't see as a self sacrificing type for someone he just knew to be his daughter. But this is kdrama, will accept him dead, and a few others too.
Yep. Especially if Min ran a DNA Test on HB showing she's not Kwon's and that's the DNA report in the blue folder on his desk. The report confirming Gemma's parentage is in the white folder. If Kwon finds out HB is not his and that Gemma is, I can't see him not trying to stop her demise. But, hey, the guy's a serial murderer at this point with 3 kills and 2 tries. He needs to be made redundant as soon as possible any way possible.
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How about this ending... Kwon arranges Gemma's demise but finds the DNA report validating his paternity and he places himself between Gemma and the vehicle of doom sacrificing himself for his daughter and paying the price for step mom's death and the suicide. Thus leaving Min with no backup, protection or claim on the house or Lora...
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13 hours ago, Newbie21SG said:
Yeah, no preview released, haven't been able to find one too....
Hye Bin is becoming more loony now....won't be surprised if she's the one that will be pulling the trigger!
I don't get it too.....if she was "raped", why would she marry KJG, not that he's rich or what. She could just ran away then. And having 2 children some more....*faint*
Greetings,
The mind is capable of all kinds coping mechanisms. Min just saw Kwon marry another woman. She wakes up in an unfamiliar place with a stranger nursing her. She's going thru the 7 stages of grief. She denies Kwon married for love or that he just used her. She denies Kim may have been a decent guy who took her in so when she finds out she's pregnant it must be because Kim raped her and Gemma is the result. Boy, talk about a night not to remember, almost feel sorry for Kwon. She becomes angry with Kim and holds it in while accepting the fact Kwon moved on and Kim was another man she could wrap around her finger. Until Kwon comes back because he needs her designs and takes up with him again. Kim, dealing with his own abandonment issues and probably aware Gemma was not his, is jealous. What man wouldn't be. He had no business raising his hand to her but, hey, in this drama everyone is slapping, pushing and throwing stuff at each other. At least Kim had good reason for his jealousy. These people are all motivated by greed for money, fame or revenge.
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1 hour ago, Newbie21SG said:
One question though - how is HB a Kim when she’s younger than Gemma (and Jinho too) and presumably MHK had her aftet KJG died and got back with KHS?Unless of course MHK was pregnant already (without knowing it) when she eloped?
Otherwise, both Gemma and HB will be KHS’s daughters and only Jinho was KJG’s?
The only trump card left for MHK now would be the fact that Gemma is KHS’s daughter. How is she going to use it to her advantage in the next 5 episodes?
Unless she was already pregnant with HB when she left Kim. HB is nothing like her parents, Gemma is very much like them. But Gemma has good morals that I believe she learned from Dad. Which is why I think the rape accusation is only in her mind. She wakes up pregnant and for some reason thinks Kim raped her while she was unconscious rather than remember her coupling with Kwon...
Women don't usually marry their rapists and have children with them. Men who rape women don't generally then marry, build businesses and make families with them.
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Episode 93 without subs. Finally!! The look on Gemma's face at the end says it all.. revenge is a dish best savored cold... So world's worst mom has watched her marriage crumble, her political dreams dashed, her beloved daughter lose her mind and now the reason for which she abandoned her kids in the first place--Lora Shoes--has been turned over to the daughter she hates and refuses to acknowledge. Next stop lies revealed and reputation ruined? Fingers crossed. Did Kim really rape her or is that a fiction she made up in her twisted mind to justify her actions and her hatred of Gemma? What will Granny do when she finds out Gemma is a Kwon not a Kim. Has to be so, otherwise Gemma can't end up with the professor and Hye-bin, who's a Kim not a Kwon, can't end up with the playboy and lavished over by grandma as her surviving grand daughter after world's worst parents go to jail... you just know mom's gonna get revenge on hubby for caving by tying him to step mom's death and the suicide. For what does she go to prison? Maybe a prison of the mind? Perhaps she ends up in a mental institution which is where we see all these soliloquies from. Finger's crossed...
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Finally... now its gonna get good....
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I'm catching up. Ep. 73 - I'm now convinced everyone in this drama has a screw loose except maybe GW and girlfriend. Ep. 74 - "The parent card only works as long as you back it up with effort." Gemma's philosophy of life and explains her obsession with revenge. Why is little brother crying? For himself or for all the evil Gemma has endured. That was a rhetorical question, the answer is pretty self-evident. SY has a killer wardrobe. This drama is populated by a pretty miserable cast of characters: all self-obsessed, self-centered, all bent on revenge against family members. So, HS will do to his brother what Gemma did to her sister. Repeat after me, "train wreck". Ep. 75 - This drama has me sympathizing with HB and, for that, I want revenge against writer-nim. We must be related. Much as I like Grandma, even she "will never forgive" (her grand daughter) Gemma, which is essentially the reason people want revenge, lack of forgiveness. Ep. 76 - so, if we're keeping score, Gemma lost two family members to the Kwons, so revenge demands two Kwons die. I'm sure JH will help Chairman realize his last wish to die in his office. The question is, how does HB meet her maker. I'm getting this Romeo and Juliet feeling... star-crossed lovers whose spilled blood is necessary to end the blood feud with Gemma.
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Ep. 85. Okay, Chingus. So after watching episode with subs must correct my previous rant. No incest--that's good--but substitute fratricide instead--that's bad. And my darkest fears appear to have been confirmed... the Demon and GU are sisters? And the Demon has no memory, yet, of YJ's father being the man who mowed them down? Or of her younger sister? What a twist. For most of the drama YJ's father was furniture. Now he's revealed to be the nuclear reactor of death and destruction in this drama. I've got a headache... Tomorrow, chingus.