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[[Drama 2020] It's Okay not to be Okay, 사이코지만 괜찮아]

My kinda show , attraction at first first and no childish games ... this feels like a fairy tale , the way its shot and how the story is being told ... i like the ML actor never watched him before but am so happy he can act , one episode in i already care about him and his happiness , and i too understand why people tell him not to smile ....

 

If it can make me feel how , lion gold did i might have to recap this show.... because i was laughing so hard in a good way and it was such fun ...

 

 

[[OFFICIAL] Kim Jae Wook ❤️ Park Min Young [MinJae] ❀ Ryan ❤️ Deok Mi the "LaBit" Couple]

On 6/5/2020 at 9:37 AM, cenching said:

 

The level of flirting is off the chart.... 

 

But surprisingly nothing special in the dvd though. It doesn’t have anything that we had not seen before especially the bts unlike other drama dvd where they gave out so many “juicy”’ bits....It didn’t contain bts of the hot woodshop kiss.....Maybe they preferred to keep it personal....

 

i feel cheated i deserve more , am still salty about not getting the couple photo shoot every time i watch a new show that has one ..

 

i love his reaction ... and her confidence in saying such things ... 

On 6/8/2020 at 2:10 AM, kjwxxxx said:

 

Talking about this “not happy” statement from haters just because she’s look like about to cry in Namoo video was soo hilarious. But yeah the way PMY’s eyes spoke in that goodbye video indeed SUSPICIOUS  .

 

Why suspicious?

1. Because she was soooo happy during HPL filming proses that’s the fact! They’re like touch and laugh and touch and laugh and touch and lough LOL

2. She even fell asleep for real on KJW chest. (I wouldn’t fall asleep on someone chest but my lover’s chest)

3. Both PMY KJU soo caring each other. 

4. Those lovey dovey steamy ADLIBS wouldn’t be perfectly done if she’s not happy. (Well based on the IV, KJU said that mostly scenes were adlibs, more than 50%. Yet, after watching bts, lets say it was 80% adlibs lol)

 

So what’s with that teary eyes in that video??? Because as a honest, sincere, and straightforward person, PMY wouldn’t able to hide her feeling when she knew that she’s no longer sung deok mi who was soo happy with ryan gold, and it meant that she also had to say goodbye to KJU oppa. That’s definitely made her sad. 

 

Now let’s see this insightful post by our fellow shipmate.

 

 READ THE CAPTION! 

 

@NaYouSabi? i saw at amazon only 5 dvd box left, you still can purchase it. The DVD are soo pricey but we only got 45 minutes bts. No kiss scenes at all, no proposal scene, no bed scene. So you can see the whole bts just from IG posts. Yeah, sad right, yet suspicious  

 

i saw the price and am sooo sad , in my currency that is a lot , i had planned to save for or four months to get it , but telling me its only 5 left i might nit make it 

 

And why so little BTS thats the whole purpose of this purchase , okay fine part of the purpose...

 

LMAO , the touch ,laughed touched laughed 

 

fell asleep where ??? 

 

please connect me to more BTS , i need to see 

[[OFFICIAL] Kim Jae Wook ❤️ Park Min Young [MinJae] ❀ Ryan ❤️ Deok Mi the "LaBit" Couple]

i did not know there was a box set ....

 

i need to get my hands on those BTS  ... ASAP ...

[[Drama 2020] It's Okay not to be Okay, 사이코지만 괜찮아]

am here for the beautiful lady , have never seen the guy in any thing... but something tells me i will love this drama ... 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

1 hour ago, serenilmauve said:

I feel like Sae Roy has big guilt over his dad's death and thinks he doesn't deserve to be happy until he avenges his death. I understand people being frustrated with his relationship with OSA, but that's the point. They're stale and they're showing us exactly that. Both have their jobs as a priority, but still don't wanna give up on each other, simply because they're not emotionally healthy people. 
Soo Ah is a coward, selfish and Sae Roy's love makes her feel special and better about herself and her own choices. She uses him to please herself and justify her actions.

I was going to write one of my essays no one ever reads ( honestly I mostly talk to myself in this forum)... 

 

But then I decided, to ask you to please elaborate on the above... So I can disagree in accordance, if I have to be general I might write a book... 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 3/6/2020 at 1:29 AM, ck1Oz said:

Spoiler

 

Should I reply? Heck why not. It is not excusable yes. When someone is charged for assault and with the personal compensation laws as it is in SK she so would be. I am saying the writer wrote her as such. With no conscience. She has morals just her own and not the general society. It is true that the characters in Itaewon doesn't suit the mould but she is the only one who is truly anti- social. I mean SW and his personality won't really fit but his would be more of an impulse control issue right? And anger management. Wherelse she won't fit into the average mould. And society as it is wants people to fit into an average mould. I don't think she had friends before this and as a character it's all fine. For the story purpose. But for a real person with these sort of traits do not think they would successfully integrate into society. 

 

I am not supporting her mind you. Or saying I love how she behaves. What I am saying is that based on what we are told and therefore when the writer makes her behave in a certain manner her actions fits into the persona. Apologies; my work requires me to be objective so I have to observe what I see and pass no judgment. Am also not allowed to make my personal views know. I can suggest how the person overcomes it but I try not to say if they are right or wrong. I will tell them if it's legal. Or dangerous to others or their health but unless they are literally suicidal or homicidal don't tell them directly to stop.

 

So YS. I say, I don't think I would say she has empathy. Or will be humane or kind. Not when all her actions are to benefit her. Either her feelings or her motives. Her motivation is all for herself. She is innately selfish and self- centred. That's why if you judge her using a general public view of being human or morals she is not going to quite pass. 

 

Her manipulating GW? I am not convinced she even thought she was wrong in doing that. I meet so many people without conscience, morals, milk of human kindness that I rarely react strongly when I meet yet another human who behaves like that.  She is in fact mild compared to the vile humans without morals in this society. That why I can tolerate her character. She doesn't really raise my hackles so the writer can't have veered too far off the normal beaten tracks.

 

 

I will take a wild guess and say this is for me... If not I will still like to reply... 

 

But this is where I see it from, would it be fair  to see with this view, I get to judge people with their own morals... 

 

Looking at ml I get to judge him by his own standards, his own morals Nd his own principles... What he knows and what his father thought him.. Always be fair, fight for the weak... Give people the chance to be themselves... What your right hand does your left hand most not know.... Unconditional love is the best you can give, don't force people to be what they are not and don't force your self to Change for them... He stands for truth justice and supporting the people he loves no strings attached... A wrong most always be righted and there is no room for mistakes... 

 

These are suitable morals we can all judge him by, because this is who he is, he can't be changing over night... 

 

But what happens when it's not a Saint.. 

 

Let's take chairman, he did no wrong, he had the money and they where people who needed the money... He paid for a service and it was delivered... I say wrong he says according to him it was justified... Why let his heir go to jail over an accident, as a person who can afford to stop that... And it's not as if someone did not pay for the crime(a man walked in saying he was the one driving the car, obviously paid to do so, and am sure to this man, whatever the money was used for was worth him going to jail)... Jco is his life his moral compass as a business man who makes sure the  company keeps on going, it takes someone like him to be the chairman with only thirty percent so he brings up his son in his image or tries to... While should he always be babying a ground man, when what is most important to him is jco... He has never not made that clear, I mean he only gave chairson a hug recently... 

 

And to make matters worst some boy who wants even born want to come and claim right on a sauce from years ago... A sauce he and papa Park settled long ago, with a watch, yes a watch what is to say it wasn't a good watch, he took the sauce and made it to what it is today, let's not pretend that without jco that sauce would be as famous... 

 

Chairman lives his life by his principles, business first, being number one first and the rest will fall into place as I am rich and have the power to make that happen... As a villain he is even lucky he want made the murderer...

 

But from his POV he is leaving the life right now and has every right to fight for that life he built... 

 

But chairman isn't any fun... 

 

Let's play with chair son, the holy grail of morals... Like YS we are shown their back ground, like YS  we are also shown the teachings thought by their parents... Because that's the honest truth if we are just left to do as please then, we would not be any less than the jungle (and this time not a metaphor) some of the things we do and how we think is pré-programmed by the people who take the roles of teachers in our lives... 

 

This boys moral compass is wack... Father is always right, father knows best... His moral compass teaches him, guilt is a weakness, the rich have no law... He can do as he pleases act as he please and the world would still go on... Because poor people have to work everyday and have no time to bother about the right and wrong of his life... 

 

Putting handcuffs on him is just for show to calm the poor, he will get out anyway... 

 

It was an accident, he did no wrong and someone is doing the jail time( and papa chairman even had the would chicken scene to prove a point) ... That someone was paid to do so and as always money makes the world go round... So why exactly is everyone making a fuss about crime already served??....

 

 

Judging people by their morals isn't really about what they do its about as long as what they do does not affect me... Harmfulness to others or one's self too can be  based on who is talking and how they see that situation...

 

 If you judge one person by their moral, then we have to judge all by their morals... From small things to big things... And that is how lope holes exist... I actually don't have a problem with blond hair, it's just most of her decisions, acts and words seem to harm the people around her, but then the show just glosses over it with a remark here and there because she is on team good.... But am still to see where this show takes her character... 

 

 

 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 3/2/2020 at 2:55 AM, emollienime said:

i don’t want to turn it into man vs woman,but i just don’t understand,why we ready to call women so easily b-words,for anything,yet we show more understanding to some male characters.like gunsoo right now is abandoning and turning his back to saeroy.he is taking jangga’s side,just like oh sooah once did.and some people readily curse her.yet people blaming saeroy for being”too harsh”with him,when all he did was saying rightfully,that he is not gonna stop destroying family that wronged him just because gunsoo is someone he likes.which gunsoo and everyone knew from the start.and he agreed with him.but he basically turning sides now because he couldn’t take”no”for an answer from a girl,that said he has no chances.and all what people saying”our poor,heartbroken summer child”and I just can’t shake of the feeling,that it’s because gunsoo is played by a cute guy...

 

why should GS , stay there the boy is in pain , he is lost and doesn't know what to do , why should he stay there and watch every day ... every thing justice league said was true , just as he wont stop , little brother has the right to remove himself from a painful situation , we can argue that him going back to his dad is bad , because the idiot is back to abuse but , him staying at bar wasn't good for him either ...

 

Just like justice league treated him as a little brother , he too respected SRY and treated him like an older brother , just like he got a job , he DID his job ... why is SRY being help or kind to others make them forever indebted to him ... to a point where they can't make their decision or life choices that contradict what he would do ?? 

 

him distancing himself from her is taking no , him moving away is taking no for an answer ... where he is moving to on the other hand can be debated ...

 

we could argue its bad for him but to him he is just doing what he can , maybe this time if he tries harder , be better his dad will like him , or maybe he wants to run a company and show the world he is worthy or many he wants to belong and family is usually where you start,  we could say going home , to the only other family he knows is bad but maybe with big brother gone home wont be as violent as it use to be , things might be better ... ... he needs to figure out if its a bad decision or not ... but  him staying will also be bad for him ... why should he go through such emotional torture ??? ...  he should not pay for what ever happened in the past of others ... its his life and making it about so many other people is unfair to him ... 

 

 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 3/1/2020 at 1:32 PM, Whisper2 said:

Random thought:

1) JYS is the exorsist friend we didn't know we needed

2) how does she compare psychologically with Jung from Cheese in the trap? He was kind of twisted but he was the main lead and ended up with the FL as well

This was the first kdrama that made me want to try another one ... i loved this show ... his problem was simple he wanted to play god , no he played God ... and he himself could not see he was throwing stones from a glass house ... i wont compare them because he was a highly functioning  psychopath (maybe a sociopath am not sure) , he always minded his business ( not always a good thing ) and his an eye for an eye game was not for us mere mortals ... 

 

she on the other hand i can only give a verdict when i see where the writer goes with this ...

 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 3/1/2020 at 4:37 AM, wisely1300 said:

I mean all of them were shocked by his actions, so what's your point? All of them knew he was a terrible person, yet all of them were shocked af when he did what he did, so why are you calling only SA out? I thought she cried, because, she, just like ALL OF THEM, couldn't believe the extent of evil that was in JDH.  

Edit: sorry for the harsh tone, I'm not trying to start a fight or anything like that, just stating what I think.

 ... but honestly i loved that scene ... LOL ... i give it to him he has got game ... he reminds me of my other fav ... mr nam in my country , that man went down with a bang ... 

 

On 3/1/2020 at 10:34 AM, The.Lannister said:

I think episode 10 marks a closure for PSR as far as his dad's death is concerned.

he has now gotten justice , and now he is out for revenge ... its payback time ...

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 3/1/2020 at 1:42 AM, pwnkl said:

I know it's frustrating but that's how he is different from the Father and Brother duo. He values family even if it's rotten, he once left the household.. before he feels not needed which is true, he is only a 2nd option by Chairman Jang. The difference before now and then is right now Chairman Jang is getting screwed and might go under, you see the dilemma he was at the rooftop then HY assures him that what he feels is normal, blood is blood

he is struggling with the fact that , love is stupid and yes we can love bad people ... but loving and caring does not mean we support the or condon them... and more difficult when it comes to family ... he needs to see that love is powerful, the ability to love is amazing and it should tell him alot that even with all the pain caused to him he can still love his family  and choose to walk away ...

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 2/29/2020 at 10:01 PM, ari_bian said:

@emollienime 

Spoiler

you hit it right on the head. One of the things this drama has shown me was how people are just so prejudiced and unforgiving with a woman for even having the temerity to defend herself, protect her loved ones and to not take any bullying from anyone whether they be young or old or even from a man.... could it be the reason why they like Soo Ah was because Soo Ah chose to not fight and that they think that is how a girl should react? Do people really think we women can’t speak up and fight for our rights? And to think this show was written by a man. Which is truly kudos to him for creating a character like Yi Seo. I wonder what it would take for all this people hating on Yi Seo to realize that what they are hating on Yi Seo was the very thing that they are applauding for in a male character... this really makes me mad and sad how people just couldn’t see why Yi Seo is actually amazing. I’m glad SRY is not like those morons and can see Yi Seo and treasure who she is...

 

 

what about SA , makes her weak ?? , most she fight they way we want her to fight for her to be good enough ... 

 this need to pit off women against each other , because they cant co-exist , is also one of our biggest problems ... SA can"t breath without her breathing the wrong way and YS  breathing better ... its a different story talking about SA and the YS , but it has to be about how one is doing more than the other ...

 

you can be strong (being an orphan in such a society and still fighting every prejudice against you)  you can be amazing( i want her job)  , you are allowed to protect your self ( choose to go to school and get that education , because for many under privileged people we are always told education is the answer and its never a this or that option ...) and fight for what you want ( study hard with a scholarship given to you) , take no bulling ( stand by your choice no matter how many times every person who can talk class you shameless and stand by the job and education you studied and worked hard for  ) and still be a SA ( live your life as best as you can , why trying to minimize the pain you cause others)  ...

 

we can we can compare discuss but making it a competition especially about a man ... seems to be against what we are all trying to say ... because what other reason are these two being put against each other for ??

 

On 2/29/2020 at 10:59 PM, ck1Oz said:

I say; YS is a psychopath. What do you think that word means? And you can't judge her actions with what an average person will do. What I mean is a psychopath doesn't hehave like an average person- the violence factor factor may amp up if it's a male character maybe.

just because you are naturally violent does not make violence okay ... 

 

On 2/29/2020 at 10:59 PM, ck1Oz said:

If one needs to judge according to the standard morals then don't. She would not fit the mould.

but there in lies our problem , morals are the basic that helps us as human... the basic standard ones i mean ... if we are going to say she won't fit the mold then , that could apply to every character , they won't fit the mold all the way to chairman ...  

 

On 2/29/2020 at 10:59 PM, ck1Oz said:

Forget the female part of the psychopath persona. She is a female. Who uses her abilities. Her actions throwing something hot? Does she care about hurting him? I don't think so. However is it ever acceptable to answer an assault with another? I would leave it to the morals debaters. I won't touch this argument here.

she was not right and he was not right ... but expect me to react if hot water is thrown at me , especially by someone i just met ... I can't give her the sociopath excuse , because sociopath( if she was a psychopath it would be a whole other ball game)  is not a get out of jail free card ...

 

she can judge right from wrong but just doesn't care ... just because she doesn't care does not make it justifiable or right ... to who ever the action is being done to its still wrong , because that person doesn't deserve that, if we have to understand her why cant we understand them...  but i can watch and see her maybe be become a fully functioning member of a society ... a lot of her traits would be okay if she was an island unto her self who did not collide with others..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 2/29/2020 at 9:18 PM, x75274 said:

Obviously GW is a moron and a loser. The drivel he was spouting about elites being above the law was complete nonsensical trash as well - but even as he was spouting off that drivel it seemed more like something he said to go along with the flow of the conversation and impress her rather than what he really believed. He just seems like a weakling who was raised in the wrong environment that just kept getting beatdown nonstop. Plus he didnt talk to JYS to pick a fight with her. All he was doing was recruiting her. She started to mouth off to him and started the disrespect between them. Then she dumped a hot drink on him after continuing to insult him. Seriously anyone in GW's situation would go insane in that situation and want to smack JYS. Its realistic too because in real life, anyone with a mouth like JYS is bound to get hurt once she pops off to the wrong person.

lets play this game ... i love how much of a simple human being he is ... he is the perfect example of nurture vs nature ... his father wanted a ruthless son , but he got a simple person ..

 

father killer , is one of those people who would , grow up in a small fishing village dream to be a fisher ma'am marry his high school crush , get swindle here and there and leave happily ever after ... be okay with being normal and just be happy with what he got ... 

 

he is not overly ambitious , trust his people too easily and doesn't hide his feelings or thing he should hide them ( SA , chairlady with 23% , and his blind date ) , he just happens to have the wrong father... 

 

he should have just goner to jail for  and be out in 5-10 years ( with parole)  , it was an accident , he was a teen and other lawyer stuff ... most people in this show got short ends to the stick of life ... and he is no exception , he just needs to see that his dad is not worth it ... 

 

what am sacred of is that prison , is either going to do its job , reform him or do what it does to many young weak people break him more ... he either meets that one person that will help him or meets a faith , of torture ... this time away from his father is his make it or break it moment in live and i hope he makes it ... 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 2/29/2020 at 8:46 PM, x75274 said:

Poor Geun Won. This episode from the very beginning made me feel Geun Won was the one wronged. That B**** JYS deserved to get slapped for the condescending attitude and spraying a hot drink all over GW. Seriously, who cares if you are a woman if you are going to act like that. You deserve to get slapped. JYS deserved worse. As for PSRoy, i understand his anger with GW so he can do as he likes. Then to get betrayed by his father after thinking he was finally receiving care for the first time in his life. Never would have expected Itaewon Class to make me root for the incompetent fool GW but this episode did it. Even Saeroy hitting GW and GW getting pulled by the cops annoyed me because JYS that b**** deserved just as much if not worse in that scene

 

i see your point but , i doubt your execution ... since i like playing devils advocate let me join you ...

 

my friend and i had this debate and its as simple as this , if you attack a person they get to defend themselves... that's why its always who threw the first punch ... 

 

i wont say she deserved worst but if someone threw water at me , someone i don't have issues with ... i will use them to clean that water off the flow ... male or female ... i don't have cheeks to turn...

 

if SRY had been the one to do that it would be a different story , those two have history , you cant attack a person because you know their story with someone you know ... that is not how it works ...

 

no matter how upset and angry you are on someones behalf , you don't attack someone else ( confront them verbally maybe , but physically NO) for them ... do not be surprise in the event of self defense or a law suit ... 

 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 2/29/2020 at 10:37 AM, Whisper2 said:

Has anyone thought. What if LHJ is a female character? Wouldn't he be the most ship-worthy then? 

 

He's got the history no less than SA (think SR saving a timid high school girl from bully), they had a big dream together when SR was nothing, he helped him invest his money.. and right now he is helping PSR in a way no less than YS.. 
 

The reason i'm saying this is, there is no end to 'scoring' SA vs YS or any new love interest SR might have later. Things like how many fun/boring scenes they have, how good are they as business partners, how much history they have,  who is the first love/kiss, how long he likes her etc etc tells us a lot about how close and important they are, but doesn't help decide who he is supposed to like romantically..

 

Because any intimacy he has with any lady, if you see it in a gender neutral way, it would be seen as a genuine bond like PSR x LHJ.

 

What matters the most in the romance department is how SR own feels, who he likes. It can be anybody other than SA and YS and it doesn't have to be fair. Because feeling is not objective, GS can be a fool to YS, or GW towards SA too.

 

Love is irrational and is not a competition.. we might like excitement.. but we might find comfort in routine too.. 

Thank you , this is exactly my point , to me i understand that he wont end with SA  but the constant need to show how unimportant she is and less than makes me wonder , what about other people in his life ?... important and need does not equal love gratitude does not equal love ... i would understand just preferring one person over the other , but the need to underrate SA and show how much more the blond girl has done brings to mind , the accountant ... 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

19 hours ago, greenwatch08 said:

JYS lacks empathy & self awareness so ofcourse her apologies comes off as self serving & ingenuine because shes never had to be apologetic & gain a different perspective other than her own before. Thats why her & SRY butt heads because they have a different mindset/outlook of the world. But the thing is she is THINKING about it. She's trying to, willing to understand SRY 's perspective. Is it for love, at the moment? Yes. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, it's a start. She has to START somewhere. Each Danbam crew changed for a different/personal reason when they met/work alongside SRY. For JYS, part of it, just happens to be love.

its a start that is true , but this is where i said , to me it was a disservice to her ... it reminds me of that old story of changing yourself for someone .... it never ends well ... but while this start is not a bad thing its not a good thing either ... what is to say that she will ever grow past , "lets make SRY HAPPY" stage ... i would be more understanding if she just choose to 

 

to me she hasn't changed , she isn't thinking of changing , she is thinking of how to stay by the guys side ... she is just so lucky that for once it a good person ... story like this never end well ... i would like to see her go why am i wrong and why is everyone angry instead of how to i please SRY in the future ... because what if SRY isn't in her life in the future then what .... but i see my arguments don't hold as this drama is part romance and they will end up together .... like they say fake it till you make it ... 

 

19 hours ago, greenwatch08 said:

SA continues to say that SRY likes her but that's it on her part. SRY likes her but hes never going to ask her out (romantically) because he is stubborn lol. 

 

i don't think they should be together ....  we need more than love in  a relationship ... 

19 hours ago, greenwatch08 said:

I'm not saying JYS is the one who derserves to be with SRY. Im just pointing out that their conversation

/interaction/argument is what reminds me of a relationship between two people.

and i could say that this is how some of us , make life long friends .... but i know where this drama is going ...

 

19 hours ago, greenwatch08 said:

This is the kind of dynamic I like to see onscreen. Plus SRY & JYS said they will DREAM together to make Danbam big, which pretty much hints their future prospect together? Not only that, SRY is building new memories/moments with JYS(& Danbam) than he is with SA. That's very significant & very telling to his overall character arch/journey. SRY is not defined/confined just to

his past relationships

 

same way he isn't only defined by his present new relationships ...  there is no need to minus from SA to show how much better Dambam team are to him, it is not a competition or maybe it is  ... but this is what the other person and i was referring to ... 

 

19 hours ago, greenwatch08 said:

Btw, I'm am not a fan of 'childhood/teen friends to lovers' trope. That's why I cant get behind SA & SRY. SRY & SA have history together but after the 7 years time skip, they havent remotely created any new significant memories/bond & built upon that. There is no build up between the two

kdramas , make me laugh to death with their eternal love nonsense( am more a jdrama person) ... but i disagree , they "liked" each other , but it never got anywhere ... but now they are bonding , learning what the attraction was , seeing who they have become as adults and also growing up and letting go ... i feel people look too much in the triangle and romantic side to see things ... everything new might not be to their favor but its new ... i see this relationship as , away to keep loving someone but moving on and finding new love , healthier and happier ( not that the show is giving me any healthy to pick from ) ... 

 

12 hours ago, tok-soompi said:

 

Keke long elaborate thought.  So warning to readers, read only when you are bored waiting for previews cos it is very long thought.  Haha!

[....]

But up to the current episode.  SRY still like his crush alots and no feelings for SY and SY has already move from like to love. 

i dont know if this was for me , nut on the general basis without looking too far or thinking too much i agree ... 

 

on one hand , we have two people who like each other and know they like each other but wont move ... i mean if i wanted to watch an Indian series i would have done so ( they can yearn for years ) ...

 

and on the other we have some action ... much needed action ... because honestly you snooze you loose ...

 

and on the other hand you have a person who is ready to 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 2/22/2020 at 10:41 AM, tok-soompi said:

She mentioned she like someone who is rich and thus it is part of his goal.  He wanted to make it happen (apart from his own revenge)  She is extremely important to him.

 

what do you mean by "i have never seen him fighting chairman, or the bar of him being rich for SA" ?   

 

that was my thoughts on the above observation ...  i could say the fight is for many things but i don't necessary thing he ever wanted to get rich because she made such a statement ... 

[[Drama 2020] Itaewon Class, 이태원 클라쓰]

On 2/21/2020 at 7:58 PM, Whisper2 said:

@NaYouSabi? 

Spoiler

 

you have unpopular opinions which I LOVE... I stan you and your GIFs lol. Please write more so I don't have to types my thoughts 

 

By the way being a scholarship recipient myself i can empathise with many of SA's situation.. it meant the world to me, i couldnt care too much what happens at the top.. some of the top executives were wrapped in bribery scandals, some cases indirectly affecting my own community/family.. but rejecting a scholarship/job doesn't help the like you said..i just couldn't care so much as a student.. on personal experience, the handler takes good care of me, was concerned about how i do, concerns for me like a family (somelike like PSR's father to SA).. but even without that person in charge i would have accepted the scholarship the same way..

 

My most memorable lines in ep 7:

 

PSR to SA

"You dont have to choose between both sides, just take your own side.."

"how i collect shares is secret because i don't want you to be caught between both of us"

"I like you because you are always independent and take care of yourself well"

 

PSR to JGS

"SHUT UP"

 

PSR to JYS

"Tiger actually roars"

 

SA to PSR

"You wanted to end my career.. somehow I'm happy to hear that and rooting for you"

 

SA to JYS

"You seem to hate me.. i don't hate you though"

"Thank you" (for the ice)

 

JYS to GS

"I like PSR but not crazy for him. Feeling and emotion can be unstable and change based on situations."

"I make friends with you because you are rich and can be useful to me.. but you seem not so useful"

 

GS to Chairman

"I didn't ask PSR the truth.. because I guess our family is the atrocious one"

"Do you really think DanBam is justa fishbowl?"

 

Tony

"Welcome" in Korean to white customers

 

 

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By the way am i the only one feeling weird about YS lying on PSR's lap, based on there relation at this point? If my male junior, no matter how close, does that to me I would be weirded out.. if I do that to my male boss he would either take it as sexual advance or sue me for sexual harrassment lol..

 

And if my partner does that to his co-worker i would definitely flip..

 

@Whisper2 here's the funny thing jco is a good company, good business sense, for once it’s not the company doing sh*tty things but, just the chairman and chiarson doing things in their private lives… For once it’s a good company with good investors, for once the company does not solely belong to the villain, but still how dare she work there???

 

Someone was asked if they Would say no to and they said yes… And all I could thing was "that's because you can afford to"

 

Am from a 3rd world country, civil war, corruption, world superpowers in control (they want the minerals) and horrible governance, and these same ppwers come in pretending they care ask me if I won't take their help… they sell the weapons to both sides, send in their tropes in the name of "Support", and then send in the UN in the name of peace, have refugee bursaries blah blah blah… I see it, I know it and I live it, but ask me if I would ever say no to the help… SA's one is even better…

 

What I love about SRY, is his ability to live and let live… They entire world might judge her but he tells her live your life, you worked hard for it…

 

And SA's faith in him… People might refuse to see it, but these are two people who know each other, she had told him “you don't say things you don't mean" and her strong believe that he will succeed amazes, even without her help… I find that faith in him amazing… And I think it’s that faith that makes her believe just the way he keeps all his promises he will always like her… But then am not sure because she goes out of her way to pint to YS SRY 101…

 

Sexual harassment is the name, but depending on where you stand, it doesn't matter that it's an invasion, that it's someone lap, that it's a boss’s lap, the power dynamics don't matter… It's about the fact that she likes him, how he feels doesn't matter, it’s about the future, in the future they will get together, so why should it matter after all it can only be wrong if it was a male employee getting into the space of a colleague in such a way…

 

But am interested in why she cried…

On 2/22/2020 at 9:41 AM, tok-soompi said:

This is gold!  Talk about stereotype.

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Purely my opinion.  Believe some may already mention.  Sae-Ro-Yi had a teenage crush and he held her close to heart as she is his crush and has stay with her all along.  She mentioned she like someone who is rich and thus it is part of his goal.  He wanted to make it happen (apart from his own revenge)  She is extremely important to him.

 

But that is teenage crush.  True long term love relationship is actually when you are very comfortable with the opposite sex that you are willing to share whatever you have been holding back.  But Sae-Ro-Yi may not know that.  Cos his life has been pretty close up after his dad death.  It maybe shocking to him too if he realised in his own term there is something else as he will be confused with what he is exactly feeling with his crush?

 

For now he definitely has no love feeling for his manager.  His manager is also very aware of that.

 

That is why love is complicated and irrational sometimes.  

 

 

@tok-soompi, I am lazy but it seems this is the one topic I can type forever about… I have never seen him fighting chairman, or the bar about him being rich for SA if that was so then he should have put that 1.9 bw to better use… ie getting the girl… people share things with others, this argument says with every friend he gets close to and shares with, he automatically does not know how he feels… We could argue that his way of loving is not ideal, but that his love is fickle I disagree… It’s been many years, he has grown seen the world and am guessing knows what love is… I could say he has never giving himself the chance to be open to more love, but that does not mean his love for her is just a mere crush… This man can still function and live life apart from her while still knowing he loves her that takes a lot and more than just a teenage crush…

 

On 2/22/2020 at 7:50 AM, serenilmauve said:

I feel like Gwang Jin is doing it wrong by doubling down on Oh Soo Ah or Jangga. Despite how many people online like to act as OSA is interesting in her conflicts and etc., she is not. Scenes with her pretty repetitive in nature. And Jangga also better in smaller douses. He should double down on Jo Yi Seo's craziness instead. Her energy makes Itaewon Class exciting, along with Park Sae Roy's unwillingness to give up. So, they better not get audience exhausted with something they didn't come for. And they should deal with Jang Gun Won faster too. 

 

Waiting for Yoon Mi Rae's soundtrack. Hope it's good, we didn't even hear glimpses. I guess it's for Jo Yi Seo's feelings. 

 

I like how Jo Yi Seo is one of the few people who can provoke strong emotions from Park Sae Roy;) 

@serenilmauvve, I Could argue that every scene I  face value on this sure is wash rinse repeat, YS and taking down the employees one by one, SRY always shouting my people, the throw down with chairman, but instead I will like to disagree with the statement the scenes between them is repetitive, nope its informative, they might not be doing some earth moving background music scene, but with every scene we find out something new about these two, why they fight too hard to keep hold of this love that, is everything but good for them… Unlike how everyone kept saying "crush" we finally know why he likes her, why he has kept on liking her till today… that almost kiss itself showed him and us yes, she can't always keep her feelings in control and drunk people never lie [sometimes], I can't go through Every scène but I love that their moment focuses on them and their dynamic, her believe in him and his believe in himself and his love for her… Because to me at every turn, everyone seem to want to tell me how SRY isn't really in love, but then with Every scène we are showed he knows what he wants what he is doing, and what he wants to achieve, making the love of his life unemployed is just the cherry on top… Might not be the love of his life in future but that is what she is now… Or the like of his life…

 

On 2/23/2020 at 5:59 AM, Whisper2 said:

Most memorable moments in ep 8:

- JYS crush SA's ice.. not that i like it, but it was fun and satisfying to see someone releasing anger/stress(other than punching bag).. then proceeds to coffee with SA with the sulky kid look.. this cutie got character 

- i like SA being the person that gives 'how to win the man' advice to YS.. i also like that YS is able to take pointers from the person she hates.. so basically SA understands PSR but she can't put them into action, even if she want to PSR would want her to stay out of the fight (but i can appreciate SA trying to talk to JDH about the building tenancy wo PSR knowledge).. YS at the end of ep 8, decides that in order to support PSR, she doesn't always agree with him, but she will act based on PSR principles and not attempt to change him..

- that being said i hope that YS has the ability to appreciate and build meaningful personal relationships, for her own growth and happiness. She was being very mean to GS. She seems to be nice to GS (and other members like Tony) to the extent it pleases PSR. What i wish for is, she can appreciate them the same w/wo PSR.

- this is a huge contrast with PSR, who sees the whole crew as family, he wants to protect them. The way he pats YS head and GS shoulder gives me the genuine head of family vibe.

- SA rejecting GW in his face, not because of PSR but because of "the person who was like a father figure" to her.

@Whisper2, that scene was when I sank with my nonexistent ship… To Me that was SA again showing her feelings for SRY, because it’s always said she doesn't like him or show it, maybe not to him always but to us at every point…. Her advising YS, to me showed her steps to let go of SRY…

On 2/23/2020 at 6:41 AM, Broaddaylight said:

YS' character is really awful. Yes, she is "developing", but not for the right reasons. She has little sympathy - today's episode shows it again. She is only accepting everyone and everything in her surroundings, because she is so lovestruck by PSRY - she is willing to deviate from her conservative values for PSRY. She is lucky that PSRY adheres to his idealistic values, and does not get swayed by her. If he was like her, DanBam would only have her and CSK as employees. Heck, even CSK's job would not be safe as he is an ex-convict without a "heroic and sob story" like PSRY.

 

Next episodes should be fun though. I assume that YS will infiltrate Jangga from the inside. I am sure she will not betray PSRY because of her obsessiveness for him. But I hope that she becomes less one-dimensional, because until so far she blindly follows PSRY. I hope she develops some sympathy/people skills as well. For now I am definitely team OSA.

@Broaddaylight writers are writing themselves into a corner, to me she ins’t developing but changing and I can argue not for the good… Saying am sorry when you don't see why you are sorry or why you should be sorry is not really sorry… I would prefer they let her realise that her way of thinking is wrong not "IDGAF, but love of my life does so let me pretend to“

 

Making her change about SRY, and not really about her seeing how what she says or does to those around her is hurtful really was a disservice to her… Because it comes across as am still this horrible person, but for SRY let me curb my enthusiasm…

 

On 2/23/2020 at 10:22 AM, Kimsungrin said:

But I dont think one can say JYS is showing growth. The only reason she took Toni's side and accepted that JGS stay with Danbam is because that is what PSRY wants. She doesnt care about JGS even though they ve been "friends" for a long time like we could see when she took his hand and asks if he could really quit to beg his father to let PSRY alone. How can a friend, no, even just a co worker do that? 

 

She care even less about Toni and the way she reacted at the club showed that. That situation was different from Ma Hyun yi situation. With MHY, she stated "business" facts: if people were to know her identity they could boycott the pub and it will suffer loss, plus her cooking is lacking. That was discrimination but she didnt attacked her. But she has been patronizing with Toni from the start. She looked down on him and mocked him everytime he said he was korean. And at the club scene, she is leggit disrespectul by saying how could he claim to be korean when he looks like that (having a dark skin). She didnt say to MHY: how could you pretend to be a woman when you are in fact a man but she kept saying that Toni was african and cant never pass for a korean. The only reason she made a post on instagram about the racist pub is because PSRY took his side so she had to follow to stay on his side.

Thats not growth. Thats obsession and selfishness. 

they are doing a disservice to her by making it all about him ... 

 

 

On 2/23/2020 at 3:37 PM, strongtower said:

It's clearly SRY & SA loveline that's gonna happen. SY & JGS also.

 

When SA asked SRY if SY was impt to him, it was a hint of jealousy starting to build up from SA.

 

 

First time poster here. IC is a good drama. I'm so happy for the  guy who plays the second son of chairman Jang cause he stars both in the No. 1 (SKY castle) & 2 dramas in jtbc. 

its not going to happen, history says none of my ships will ever sale… All I want is one passionate AF kiss and then the separate… am tired of their nonsense … 

On 2/23/2020 at 5:59 PM, Whisper2 said:

True that.. team JGS all the way 

He is so precious i can't wish anything good to anybody that hurts him.. 

 

@serenilmauve i don't read PSR's expectation that SA should be on her own side and YS should be on his side to be a differentiator on who he has feelings for. I think he would expect the same regardless

1) because he doesn't want SA to be caught in between, he wants her to stay out of his fight

2) everyone in Danbam crew should be on his side including YS

@Whisper2

Hé is not confused about what he wants or feels, yeah she might get jealous and finally act, but to me and him he needs his crew even the ones that get him angry…

 

On 2/24/2020 at 2:56 AM, yookitube said:

 

SA had all the chances over the years....but only showed a token of her guarded sympathy for PSR..... Because she chose to play it safe putting all her eggs into the Jangga basket.......which is quite understandable as the Chairman saw to it... that was her only choice.

 

She is practically a conniving captive of Jangga as she plays PSR and JGW like a fiddle... using her charms.....well aware those men had their romantic eyes on her.

 

Quite unlike YS who shares the same feisty mindset and conscience for justice and fairness as PSR.   No wonder she went all-in for PSR... despite the hurdles and uncertainty/odds of their objective.  She quickly identified and adjusted into his psyche..even shedding tears of empathy and sadness over the pain and suffering PSR went thru in his journey......as if the pain was hers too.

 

Whereas SA never cared if PSR went to the gates of hell and back....as she can only offer a mere token of  subjective sympathy, from a distance....and when it is convenient. 

Bottom line.... that girl SA sucks. 

 

Just my thoughts.

@yookitube

I feel she chooses to work there and why can't she, why should she give up a good job at a good company?? We could say there are other companies around but why most she leave the current one, chairman might be chairman but he isn't the only boss…

 

How is how what these two feel for her fault why is she to take fool respon3that they won't let her go and keep following… since high school she hasn't shown interest in and the other she just met after 7 years… But she is still the conning woman keeping them on leeches??

 

What has she taken from them, what has she gained from them that could constitute her playing them like fiddles…??

 

If not sympathy was she to stop her life and strive for survival and sit back and wait for him outside for two years??... Has she not offered after all these years her experience to him and he said no??

 

On 2/24/2020 at 4:29 AM, Whisper2 said:

People hating on SA.. but without her, will the YS x PSR ship even sail?

Not that she has to put the actual effort, but more like a catalyst for YS’s change of character / PSY’s realization of his feelings.

- Within Danbam, YS and PSR are the only Alpha personalities; I can’t seem to find anyone more suitable than SA to pep talk YS. I think her words to YS carry a lot of weight (and is a huge giveaway as an opponent) but not really appreciated. Imagine that talk in ep 8 never happened, would YS realize the meaning of being at PSR’s side?

- PSR is a man of grit and persistence. He is a marathoner. And SA knows that. He may develop feelings for YS after going through thick and thin together.. But he will be the same stubborn guy that insists on the fact that he likes SA. I have a feeling that SA will be the only person capable to contest his feelings, and make him realize his feelings for YS. Otherwise he will continue to be the consistent guy that answers YES every time SA asks him “Do you still like me?”.

 

SA need not talk sense to them if she doesn’t care for PSR or if she is as selfish as haters say.. To be able to let go of the person she likes will not be easy for her..

 

And if she is greedy she can suck up to JW anytime, or approach PSR for the money when he is successful.. however I believe she will remain the same independent woman that takes care of herself well (the quality that PSR likes about SA).

 

All above are just my guess.. Let’s see in future episodes..

 

IMO, doesn’t matter who we ship, no matter the outcome (in the romance department), we can still root for all characters for their happiness.. Like the article says, they are outcasts working for their second chances.. i also rather they don't depend on one person for their happiness.. they can learn to love but not to obsess.. they should not deny genuine friendships too..

 

 

@Whisper2 I sometimes which she could do all she is being held responsible for…  but honestly I gravitate to people who have less on their side because having one person is better than none ..

 

On 2/24/2020 at 7:09 AM, greenwatch08 said:

I'm suprise SA doesnt tell SRY straightfowardly 

that she likes him(romantically)? He always tells her he likes her, although now I'm not sure how much of it is romantic? SA is fully aware of how much SRY likes her since forever. Is she waiting for SRY to ask her out or is she seeing something in SRY that's changed? He is so stubborn he'll probably ask her out when he's super rich lol. You'd think SA would be more frank but surprisingly SRY is, even though hes quite the aloof in the love/romance department

@greenwatch08

SRY confidence shows that he knows she likes him too… And that scene about how he never asked her out also validated that… But honestly these two are just playing the if I had known game…

 

I feel he is willing to get help from anyone except SA… I could argue ego ,but the show is trying too hard to make him papa Theresa  

 

 

 

On 2/24/2020 at 4:27 PM, crackaddict said:

Oh JYS is the FL of the show? There's actually a FL in the show? Like a romantic one? lol.

 

I was totally watching the show as a family drama! hahaha. I feel like everybody that works at DanBam + OSA and LHJ were basically misfits adopted by Big Brother PSRY. They all needed someone to be unequivocally on their side and accept them for who they are, whether they realize it or not. Even whatever romantic affections for OSA feel pretty paternal from PSRY's end. I saw the scene where JYS had her head on PSRY's knee, and she might as well have been 12 years old to him. 

 

I feel PSRY has his priorities correct---he needs to take down Chairman Jang and his vampiric looking eldest son. 

@crackaddict… There is not a need for romance in this show it has too many problems but I have come to realise kdrama need romance to function…  , this is why i love hate jdramas  ... romance is honestly a coin flip  but in kdramas you know 

 

On 2/25/2020 at 7:02 AM, wisely1300 said:

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So, in other words, you're a selfish friend who does not care about the fact that your friends need to earn a living and that sometimes in life you gotta do what you have to do to survive. For all you know, that job might have been the only job available to her, someone with no connections, no family and friends, especially in a country like SK, where nepotism is rampant. So you expect your friend to starve? What good would do for you and her??

 

Lol, are we watching the same drama? JYS, with a lot of friends???? The same JYS who literally did not give a richard simmons about her best friend GS and kicked him to the curb?? What change did she show? She only took GS back (hell she said it to his face) because Sae Ro Yi was pissed at her for doing that. In other words, all throughout, she treats HER BEST FRIEND like an object depending on how she thinks it helps her with Sae Ro Yi. If she has liked some other guy who wanted her to kick GS to the curb instead of a nice person like Sae Ro Yi, GS would have been unfriended by her immediately. I don't know anyone who would want to be friends with a person who can so easily throw away a friendship simply for her own goals and desires. I find it hilarious that you give JYS a pass because of her personality, but does not give SA any excuses because of her background. 

 

Sigh, since when do people go around kissing people they have no romantic feelings towards? SA said it herself, that SR shined too brightly. I don't know if she loves him, but she definitely likes him in a romantic sense. As for SR towards SA, y'all really trying to do mental gymnastics to downgrade his feelings towards her. He was: a) notably flustered when she linked her arms with his in episode 3. He also asked her for a little date after closing time (didn't happen because of the underage drinking); b) accepted her kiss by closing his eyes (or would have accepted if not for JYS intervention); c) noticeably more touchy with her when he/she's upset (held her hands at the bus stop for example). All these behaviors of his are noticeably absent towards his Dambam team. You can argue that maybe their love is romanticized by both of them a bit, but their feelings towards each other are definitely romantic, not platonic, especially SR towards SA. He is a person who is very clear about what he wants and what his goals are, and one of these goals has been (for a long time now) to date SA. 

 

 

lol you came out swinging ... 

This, what type of person would SRY be if he said, how dare you take that job, “how dare you female, orphaned, broke, jobless, in a discriminative society, take a job/busary from a good company ( I will sing this song to thy kingdomcome chairman bad, jco an entity of its own who papa SRY himself was proud to work for)  how dare she want to fight for the only thing she could get an education… How dare she… Like YS says give an alternative that will not make a girl starve to death or work to death all in the name of what??...

 To me sociopath is the excuse used for every think she does wrong… for such a high iq I would think she should have if not understood, but learned the human basics… the argument that she would grow baffles me, so all her nonsense is okay because in the future she will grow?? But then again she will grow that I am sure of … sooner or later

 

DOWNGRADE that is the word I have been looking for, why are we so adamant to prove he doesn't like her, how many times does he have to say it… Thank you we can argue the love/like  will lead to disappointment stands, but that is not Actually like/ I call BS….

 

On 2/25/2020 at 7:21 AM, wisely1300 said:

Also, please name a single thing that SA has done to intentionally hurt SR. What exactly has she done?? Accept a scholarship and then work at Jangga even tho she knew the boss was evil? So then should all Apple, Walmart, Amazon workers quit because all those companies (and basically all big corps) heavily abuse child labor and their own workers in third-world countries....And SR was basically gone for 10 years (3 years in jail and then 7 years fishing), so she had to survive completely alone. At that point, you take what you can get to live. And for all those people who wants her to quit Jangga and join Danbam to be a good friend for Sae Ro Yi...what type of friend would Sae Ro Yi be if he lets his love and his friend quit a great job for his sake?? Heck, how many of y’all would turn down a great job offer simply because the company’s ethics are not good? Is Soo Ah a bit selfish at times? Sure, but who tf in real life is not looking out for their best interests? She’s a person with her own worth too, and as long as she does not hurt her friends (AND AGAIN, SHE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING THAT HURT SAE RO YI), why isn’t she allowed to chase after her own desires? Maybe once she's actually forced to choose between the company and SR it'll be different, but for now, she hasn't done anything to intentionally hurt him. 

 her accepting that scholarship made her the evilest backstabbing B, that ever backstabbed… Everything she does becomes unacceptable because she did not give up her life to stay by a guy in prison… With Évery thing you just said, I have to ask what more do people want her to have done?? What more??

 

Honestly, this need for SA to give up her life to prove how much she can care for SRY, fascinating, SRY is even lucky he is the hero and it’s a sure fact he will succeed… If we weren't so sure , would we tell someone to give up their good well-paying job, instead of saying stay there at least you two have a safe net…

 

To me he needs her as he needs his team… he supports  everyone… Purple head, scare face, little brother and am sure he will fight for YS… That's his charm…

 

On 2/25/2020 at 9:23 AM, greenwatch08 said:

@wisely1300

I'm sure literally everyone on this thread is fully AWARE how much SRY likes SA. SA even knows that too. I know that too. The next person to post whatever next on this thread knows that. Everyone knows that here. SRY repeats it so many times. Like what else is new???  I'm not down playing his friendship with SA but the things is SRY has formed a close-knit bond with Danbam. SA isnt just the only important person to him anymore. Danbam is what he calls 'my people'. That's why SA says she's jealous. Also, he's been emotionally/

physically dependent on Danbam. He says the reason he can GO ON is HIS BELIEF in Dandam crew. That's why he tells SA he cant see Danbam without JYS or losing any of his crew. The thought of not having any of them by his side makes him angry. As for the physical touches, he literally pats JYS on the head everytime because he finds her impressive. He even let's JYS lock arms with his & let's her into his personal space physically & emotionally, hence that very INTIMATE scene in episode 7. SRY even brought JYS head towards his shoulder & smiled. SRY hugs JGS & pats his head to reassure JGS that hes not at fault because of his sh*tty family. SRY & Danbam crew put all their hands on eachother in a circle to hooray for their success. Btw, his interactions/scenes with Danbam team is so much more engaging by ten folds than his with SA. Danbam is literally his 'found family'. 

let me place my thre cents .... 

@greenwatch08 honestly, SRY, deserved to go to jail, we could argue the number of years, but he deserved it… He attacked and almost killed another human being…

 

The same way chairson has to be jail… Am not sure how many years as it was an accident…

 

The same way chairman should go to jail, for cover up, bribery and abiding a criminal blah blah blah….

 

And it's not about down playing his friendship. It’s about down playing his romantic feelings towards her… Into fantasy and teenage crush and many other… Even though he is old enough and wise enough and it's been long enough, and many people have come and gone in his life for him to know what or who he likes…

 

To me the argument could be there hasn't been anyone that he was attracted enough to, to challenge his feelings for her…

 

I agree dambam is his found family, but why do we have to take away from SA to prove how much of a family dambam is… Why can't it be "with SA and dambam he has a bigger family" but instead it's always "dambam is far more better"

 

On 2/25/2020 at 12:10 PM, Whisper2 said:

For example. Even when she says "you are too shining to me", it can be interpreted as SA blaming PSR for making her feel guilty, SA blames PSR for outshining her, SA looking down on PSR and doesn't want him to succeed.. 

 

But my instant interpretation on that phrase was that she thinks that PSR is too good for her (he is the kind guy who is impossible : loyal, understanding, hardworking, persistent, morally just etc etc) and she feels she doesn't deserve him.. simple as that.. she also calls PSR " a fool" for loving her so long.. no negative associations..

 I felt her saying he is shining too brightly, was very sad as, it was kind of a foreshadow, that with her, he doesn't think he would shine that brightly… like she is slowly realising they should let each other go…

 

On 2/25/2020 at 1:26 PM, Broaddaylight said:

 

SA is getting more hate than the likes of Ms Kang, who is also aware that the chairman covered up for his son. Ms Kang even refers to it when she meets with SRY and his buddy. Ms Kang also does not do anything to help PSRY avoid jail, whilst she most likely has the power to do something about it.

 

I think the fact that OSA is not well-liked by the viewers has less to do with the character, but more with the actress. Kwon Nara gives us quite a lethargic acting performance as OSA. She talks in a monotone voice, stretches her eyes wide open and likes to have her mouth half open all the time. Her face does not carry a lot of emotions, which is probably due to the fact that she is not experienced as an actress. Nara misses the subtleness in acting that KDB has. For example, when PSRY stripped JYS from her management tasks, you actually felt her pain when she was talking about sympathy. She incorporates weird voice cracks and heavy breathing in her acting instead of just screaming or crying like most actors do.

 

I felt that Nara's acting in her last project (Doctor Prisoner) was also quite lukewarm. In fact, she was supposed to play the FL in Doctor Prisoner, but it was hardly noticeable as she was outacted by the rest of the cast. In fact, Kim Byung Chul and Choi Won Young were supposed to be supporting characters, but eventually ended up having more lines and more prominent roles than she did.

I know zéro about acting so I can't say much… But I think another reason is the so called love triangle…  me I just tend to gravitate towards characters that are more hated… Then get my heart broken because obviously it won't end well…

 

On 2/25/2020 at 5:52 PM, greenwatch08 said:

The thing is SA, besides the former cop/dad, is legitimately the only other person who can/could testify against JDH/JGW because she was a main witness since she knows about the car(plate situation). I'm not expecting her to be on SRY side since SRY doesnt expect anything from SA.

assuming the car plate, doesn't mean it was the person driving… And she had told SRY, the car belongs to chair son… Hence anybody who knew chair son could also be able to say that the car belongs to him… Am sure she isn't the only person who knows his plate number… and its all here say , but I see @Whisper2 gave a more befitting reply

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On 2/19/2020 at 5:59 PM, Whisper2 said:

 

In PSR's position, the best thing I can do is to understand her choices but also acknowledge that we can no longer be friends. Forgiveness shall not be asked, and don't have to be given. Also doesn't matter she is right or wrong from a third person view.

 

Curtains should be closed and we would be strangers. If SA is up for business rivalry, be my guest. No apology expected or given. But like i mentioned PSR's character is persistent and sometimes stubborn.. author wants him to be a saint.

 

I prefer if PSR estranged SA earlier. He was already cold to SA by the end of ep 6 (he thinks SA reported him, she ask him not to like her, his TV show got sabotaged after he told SA about it). Even though there were some misunderstandings, I was glad to observe PSR having the ability to keep distance with SA.

 

But then YS told him the truth (I applaud her for that for her character growth)... here comes the back and forth again for PSR x SA

 

And yes I enjoy when characters have duality in them which is not common in kdrama world. They add more layers to the story. 

 

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14 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

@NaYouSabi?

Alright. I wasnt sure because earlier you quoted me with just the word 'wrong' so I was confused & thought you were referring to my previous post on the other page. 

 

I'm a fan of JYS & its understandable for viewers to dislike/even hate her character because of the things she does or says. She doesnt get a pass just because she's a main character & I acknowledge that side of her which I mentioned in many posts previously. I also see you like SA alot, which is cool. But I just dont find SA all that engaging to watch.

nah i meant wrong as in it , posted while i was still typing ....i was too lazy to explain ...

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28 minutes ago, greenwatch08 said:

@NaYouSabi?

I'm not sure if you're referring to my previous post on the previous page but opinions are but opinions. I dont see my opinions as factual or right. They are merely discussions/analysis of my own insights. I like JYS alot & enjoy seeing others' insights about her character whether it be positive or negative.

 

Btw, when I say JYS is a deconstruction of the modern-hero archetype, she's the opposite of a hero/main protagonist with good attributes, like SRY. That's probably why so many are taken aback by JYS's behavior/attitude towards others & in general because it's not what's expected of a lead/protagonist

(since she is one of the main character

) to act because people are used to characters like SRY who falls under the modern-hero archetype, whose morally upholding & compassionate etc. That's why watching her current mindset disolve/impacted by SRY's actions is interesting. But then again, that's just my opinion.

 

As for SA, she's fine. I dont dislike her nor am I head over heels about her. 

am referring to the post you quoted me on ... and i too don't see my opinion as fact , i am just discussing what you said and adding some of my thoughts, i tend to play with words and can get very rhetorical ...  plus i love expressing myself with gifs ... it took a lot not to add more

 

if SA was the lead ,  would we have given her more grounds , for not being the typical candy?? , or is this lee way only give to characters , that don't directly affect SRY , or impact him in a more obvious and in your face way ??... 

 

to me they are both not , the usual and at the same time SRY , needs more , than SRY can offer and what SA is willing top offer ....

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@greenwatch08

 

SA is suffering internally from her own guilt, but externally, she's perfectly fine financially. She has a stable job, a career under Itaewon's biggest corporation. [....]weight/depth & heavily moves/affects the overall plot of IC. 

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I personally think redemption is not needed for this girl... Growing up and realising that the world definitely is a dog eat dog Place, but not everyone is like that, people can love her she can love people without being afraid... She needs to love herself and realise not everyone can be a mother Theresa like SRY... and that would need her to not necessarily break ties with SRY and jco, but she needs new people and a new theory prove her life theory wrong... And from there she can fine that space to evolve,

 

True SRY is breaking no opportunities at jco... I mean the same way he has the right to want to destroy that family the same way she has a right to work there...

 

To me, if she had refused that scholarship I would laugh my self stupid

... Because  technically jco financed her entire existence, but this time they pulled out of the orphanage, but where still offering her something, what I loved about that scene was because she knew why she was doing  she knew that in the future that offer of scholarship had more than just the usual "work for my company for so and so years after your degree" ... As an orphan who had no power, network or ability to work 100 hours a week and still get Amazing grades I love how realistic she was here... And evil father and son (can't remember the names) are responsible not jco, jco belongs to more than just this evil duo... 

 

I love them together, I am an angst machine the good type (to hell with noble idiocy), I find their moments electrifying and analyses worthy, these are two people who love each other, their moments might not "affect" the plot( i could argue so does that with the young lady , but that is for another day) but to me it says so much about their characters and one of the reasons I love SA is because I love character based shows, their moments speak to who they are as individuals, shy they still hold on to each other and why letting go on both parts is so hard... ( I find the constant need to take away the love between these two interesting at every point they are being told its artificial love, its all in their mind, but these two know each other they understand each other and KNOW what they both want from live) and I know all these because of their interactions, and because they know each other they hurt each other

 

( that hold ex-convict thing  , i was like

 

and the fact that even without knowing it , he makes her feel like richard simmons, hate her self  , blah to the blah blah blah ) 

, they cause pain and the inability to be happy, I feel the only thing keeping them together is this love and when that's all they have it won't end well... To me the pain and guilt and constant need to show they are "okay" makes me feel they need others in their lives... Someone to show them what actually loving some isn't always about the pain...

 

To me the bus stop scene angst gold. I felt so bad for them... These two want to work out... All they ever had is each other, but they are family, friends and some could argue lovers, but as I looked at them all I saw was heartbreak, honestly they shouldn't be togetther, all she ever wanted Was to own something and all he wants is to bring down the person who took his happiness , problem is bringing down the chair man means bringing down jco even though jco doesn't only belong to the chairman but to the many other people, shareholders employees and so on and she just happens to be one of the many other people...

 

They say opposites attract, in this case that is true, SA needs a person with a strong moral compass and unshakable beliefs to balance her  "Survival of the fittest mode"... While SRY needs someone that can challenge him someone that can show him, black and white is not the answer... With their baggage they can't be that to each other... On paper they make for a great dynamic, but if they where two strangers meeting as adults who just happen to be attracted to each other...

 

The fact that she pitched an idea, but not just the idea how to get the idea from the ground up is good enough... To me that was not just telling jco about SRY  but a brief on their competitor... The meal chairman was tasting, showed her and her team had been preparing some kind of menu he designed... Because I don't know her job description I can't really say much but I will beg to differ, what exactly is her power in that company and why sort of business decisions should she be taking to make us think she is making business decisions???

 

You might have realised by now I hardly talk about the JSY... From the beginning I just found her not to my taste, I couldn't place the problem, maybe it was my upbringing ( I dislike arrogant, entitled disrespectful children in general and all I could think of was, If I ever pulled any of  her antics #a$$ whopping of the century) but then someone said something about her that click, she needs to grow up, she seems to only see what she wants, what she can get, act now thing never,  refusing to even consider a person for a job because of jealousy, not realising that if kissing without consent is assault ( I so disagree, SRY had eyes closed and ready doe that kiss)  What she did to SA' face would be what??

 

Her working for SRY not because she is sorry, because  she likes him...

what i cant do is fault her for being transphobic , i come from a country where , things like this leads to deliverance , what i cant say is "don't out people" starting a conversation with" did you know so and so is trans , ..." is outing them, this is where i see , the need for growing up , a social media influencer should know how to tow that line ...

 

What I like about her was not her conversation with mom or her disregard to mom... But her promise to mom "I will make it be for you and me"

 

Like I said, I realised my problem is she is a selfish, self-centred arrogant me me me person who thinks and acts first and never bothers of the consequences... Sociopath or not intelligent or not....

 

But I might like her in the next time jump, she might grow, she might realise sociopath is not a trade mark to her behaviour but that manners are learned, to co-exist with humans we need to respect draw the line and mine our own business... Because if I ever tell a human being to leave and give me space with the person I like and they refuse, even though its non of their business the will hear from my ancestors...

 

to be better than us average humans She will one day learn what  SA and SRY  learned in the most painful ways ever ,no matter how refined intelligent and better you are , someone out there will always , have power , not all these things but POWER ... 

 

 

Ps: I find the constant need to compare this women, irrelevant to me at this stage... at this moment JSY is to SRY as the purple head, scare face, even less baby brother... I get that she gets the guy in the end (I like SA and my ships never sail) if we are going to fight about those helping him, what about those three are they just there to show how much better JSY is at helping STY??  she is helping so they are... She she gave up all, but still has money from social media something, while they purple and scare their all is the bar...

 

One is an exconvict and the other a transgender..... I would say this  is their lives... and don't get me started with the whole fire the cook saga ...

 

so the show is telling me , a guy spends years , reading the book of the man who killed his father( and this man's specialty is food) , planning to open a bar , a franchise ,to compete with a mega company ... don't forget the guy himself knows to cook and could at least point out, taste or teach his cook , but he couldn't do that but had to wait for a 20 year old to come and tell him his cook is bad ?? 

Dear writers 

 

 ...

 

SA  never had any strings to pull and if she had from whose behind... She was given a busary, she passed, is now working at said company and eight years later, has moved up the ladder, am sure chairman wouldn't put so much trust in her just because she "knew" something ... His company would not waste so much money on a project that is done by an incompetent person ie his son...

 

Ambitious than SA, NO more privileged than SA YES... If SA the orphan poor, girl in a patriarchy  conservative and education orientated country  decided to not go to school on the slightest   opportunity, but abandoned it all for a man she just met, to run a going under bar that is ran ex convicts... 

 

I CAN'T EVEN 

 

I would tell her this, go to school go get that degree, go get that knowledge, go get that experience go get those connections, go expand your view so that  as you can then come with what you have and help him... Because at the same age as JSY SA had NOTHING...

 

He refused SA's help and took that of the other, what is to say what SA had to offer was not important, it might not be what HE wanted but that does not lessen the importance of what she had to offer...

 

He doesn't NEED her anybody can replace her any body can be a young social media influencer who knows how the market works... I could argue SA too could do the job, anyone qualified can , not the same style the same design but, still get that job done ... but then again she is taking minimum wage , but SA offered for free ( or so i assume)..

 

But I understand the need to compare these ladies after all #lovetriangles...

 

In the same breath I could say he SHOULDN'T need SA and  neither SHOULD she... They can spend years apart still function and grow, still be their own people even though still pinning for each other, and one could argue this pinning for each other is unhealthy and cause for more pain...

 

 

 

@corey

 

Are you perhaps referring to me?  Yes, I was badmouthing SA and yes, I was flabbergasted when it turned out that it was not her who ratted PSR to the police but:  [....] This is what appeals to me - I really root for SR and wish him so well - if he gets any girl in the process - fine by me, either is ok. I am happy that the female characters are both strong, intelligent and fierce - but romance-wise this is not my cup of tea.

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Nah, it's not you because I didn't read that on this site... Or. Maybe it was you with a different name??

 

 

And I was not referring to the calling the calling the cops thing because it never even occur to me that that is why they called her dark...

 

They reason I was surprised is because even if this person saw she wasn't the one who called the cops she still stated that SA finally went dark and the reason I mention the business  enemy information thing is because that's the only situation I could think of as a reason...

 

Before episode 5 I believed she was the one... I had many things to say about the calling the cops thing but then I saw episode 5 and I let it go..

 

Yes dozens of shops have opened, as a big company who has competitors ,as a big company who can afford to investigate, if the shop in front of me was doing poorly but overnight began to make triple their sales, I am going to investigate, I want  money too...

 

I could have watched this show for the romance but I know SA won't end up happy, so am watching it for the big show Down...

 

 

@serenilmauve

 

To be honest, Oh Soo Ah is a perfect example how people should see difference between "self-love" and "being selfish".[....] She doesn't need anyone's pity, simply because she is a person who pities herself the most in this world. 

Spoiler

To me OSA has never had the nice girl behavior she has always been straight forward, no I don't like you, no I will not help the old man, do you want me to testify against SRY, I will do my job for jco, I like SRY, with Chairman she is as ambiguous as possible with the rest as distant and respectfully detached as possible... she knows how to keep that professional etiquette ... 

 

@ehy

Chingu, you should call out the person you were referring to, not leaving it out like this.. it draws out toxicity.

 

Okay, if you happen to be pointing me out.. first I'd like to apologize if I somehow sting you with what I wrote.

 

But I'd like to give my quick take with SA.

 

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Dont stress, no need to call out people it wasn't this site, and I read that person's comment before watching the show so spent the entire show looking for the SA goes dark moment...

 

And if I don't want to debate I mention the person if I can't quote them (I still haven't learnt how to quote more than  one person)

 

For your take on SA @Broaddaylight, and I only saw he/she's comment after long essay to @greenwatch08 already answered

 

How does her taking the money = equal to injustice to the father....

 

Would her not taking the money have brought justice to the father.... What could she have done? what could she have said that SRY did not do or say... She told him the owner or the car or the suspected owner, SRY had that info we could argue going to the police, who is to say SRY didn't??... She had no power or voice to get chaebol son on the "hock" or get SRY out of jail because let's not forget he DID assault a person (am not really sure if it was attempted murder) it reminds me of my favourite line from a series once you act without the law you stop being the victim and now the perpetrator am not saying his father shouldn't get justice, but he SRY attacked someone...

 

Her everything is not from benefiting from his deepest wounds yes because of the fees death the chairman noticed her, just as she worked hard to pass so she could work at the company sponsoring her, she could have failed badly and had to pay back the company... Would we still say then that her failure is from benefiting from SRY deepest wound???  Why can we easily give her success to him but not her failures??

 

Would her working to death to pay uni and survive = justice

 

Let's not forget, while technically its money from jco owned by many, it want for free she knew that and chairman knew that...

 

 

To me I never read the book so am going on what I am shown... Some one once said the problem with SA, is that she sees her job as her job and her friendship as her friednship... But unfortunately for her the two worlds keep on colliding...

 

 

@Whisper2

 @Broaddaylight I can't agree more with you on Soo Ah's situation. True she is a skeptic and has character flaws  but I think that she is overly demonized for her life choices. Just to add to your points on the economic context:[....]

 

I love the portrayal by actress Kwon Na Ra. I hope the character can find happiness at the end (I feel unnecessary for JYS to "destroy" her). But I also don't ship any pairings for now, like @taeunfighting mentioned, one pair is too late and another too early. I prefer all 3 of them to be individuals without being head over heels for one another.

 

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thank you thank you thank you... That is what I have been trying to say, she is not doing it for free, its a scholarship he brings it up but its from the company the same company she will have to work for ... same company that has been sponsoring her orphanage until recently ...#PR

 

If we all checked the ethics, people won't work for Bill Gates (child labour), coke, some clothing companies and many more...

 

Jco is more than just evil chairman, it is share holders employees and many more...

 

I think I am inclined to her so much is because, if she was male cute and all... She would be given different spaces to be a grey character...

 

Can I kiss you???

 

Why are you speaking my mind, because she is successful now she owes the would to SRY and what if she wasn't successful what if she was in the low ranks in the company  and unsuccessful would she still owe him so much?? or would we say its her karma ...

 

 

^^ a lot of these are just answers and my thoughts on some topics mis-matched 

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