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junebugg said:
luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: Ok, so I go to dramabay.com. My eyes runs down the list of on-air dramas on the left panel. And Secret Love Affair is no longer one of them...
I have never had to face denial over a drama in my life! Like Ever! I'm not even sure, if I should be embarrassed about this sentiment, or glad that there is one such epochal event in the history of K-drama that could bring about it. Are you going through this too? -
cecilia said: I have so much to write tonight so I'll split posts
Firstly, I will start with some great insights on Mozart's Rondo in A minor
I think one of the things which make the last scene of ep 16 difficult for me is knowing that the Rondo is such a sad piece of music but with these following insights you will look at it all differently
First of all, this Rondo is the piece of music that the whole series ends in. This is the message that the writer wants to leave us with. Just what is the message?
For pianists, playing Mozart gives one the feeling that you are stripped bare in front of the audience. That's because Mozart's music is clean, clear and neat, and you can use the pedal to try to cover up mistakes. Instead, everything from the melody line to the harmony is presented clearly, its draw irreplaceable by shallow technically challenging passages. But this doesnt mean that Mozart's music is simply just bright and clean. His music can express sadness with great depth.
His music is not simply express happiness when he's happy or sadness when he's sad.. just like our lives, sometimes in the midst of joy, there is sadness and in the midst of sadness, there is joy. Remember back to episode 6, when Sun Jae wrote a diary entry when he was a kid? He said that he played a Mozart sonata for the whole day and his mum said that she felt sadness even with the bright melody. Sun Jae said that he felt the same way too - that even in a major key, he felt the feeling of a minor key and that in a minor key, he could feel the feeling of a major key. It's amazing that the writer put all these little bits from the beginning (and in ep 6 too!). Just as Sun Jae felt when he was playing Mozart's piano sonata as a kid, this Rondo in A minor is the same. It may seem sad but it is not sad, there's joy in it too. As Sun Jae plays this everyday, he is not wallowing in sadness but everyday, depending on the day, depending on how he feels, the Rondo will tell a different story. As Sun Jae says, that's Mozart's secret, that's life!
Now this will be easier for people who might have learnt some music before to understand, but I was so so amazed at this observation that I read. The Rondo is in A minor and A minor's key signature? (You can read about what a key signature is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signature) It doesnt have any flats or sharps! It can be seen to represent simplicity, innocence, cleanliness. A key that isnt 'contaminated' by any flats or sharps. At first when I read this, I was skeptical whether it was just a coincidence. But! What is A minor's relative major? C major right? Look at the pieces by Mozart that we heard in SLA
Ep 2. Mozart sonata K310 in A minorEp 2. 'Twinkle twinkle little star variations C majorEp 5. piano for four hands (with HW) K521 C majorEp 16. K511 Rondo in A minor
Is this a coincidence? No way!!!!!!! (I'm still so amazed by this crazy detail!)
Sun Jae is touching Hye Won every day with these 'clean, clear, simple' notes which represent his heart towards her too. And it is with this heart that plays this Rondo everyday, however he is feeling, whatever the circumstances.
And this is not only for Sun Jae and Hye Won. Dami, Justin, even ajumma from downstairs are touched and affected by this pure, simple music and heart of Sun jae.
And this is the last piece of music from SLA we are left with. A simple, pure, infectious heart that transpasses all cirucmstances and emotions that life might throw at you. Some days might be worse than others but you never know what the Rondo might be like tomorrow. What comfort and hope! -
chingulinka said: luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: Ok, so I go to dramabay.com. My eyes runs down the list of on-air dramas on the left panel. And Secret Love Affair is no longer one of them...
I have never had to face denial over a drama in my life! Like Ever! I'm not even sure, if I should be embarrassed about this sentiment, or glad that there is one such epochal event in the history of K-drama that could bring about it. Are you going through this too? -
junebugg said: luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: Ok, so I go to dramabay.com. My eyes runs down the list of on-air dramas on the left panel. And Secret Love Affair is no longer one of them...
I have never had to face denial over a drama in my life! Like Ever! I'm not even sure, if I should be embarrassed about this sentiment, or glad that there is one such epochal event in the history of K-drama that could bring about it. Are you going through this too? -
junebugg said: luvhollandlop said: junebugg said: Ok, so I go to dramabay.com. My eyes runs down the list of on-air dramas on the left panel. And Secret Love Affair is no longer one of them...
I have never had to face denial over a drama in my life! Like Ever! I'm not even sure, if I should be embarrassed about this sentiment, or glad that there is one such epochal event in the history of K-drama that could bring about it. Are you going through this too? -
junebugg said: Ok, so I go to dramabay.com. My eyes runs down the list of on-air dramas on the left panel. And Secret Love Affair is no longer one of them...
I have never had to face denial over a drama in my life! Like Ever! I'm not even sure, if I should be embarrassed about this sentiment, or glad that there is one such epochal event in the history of K-drama that could bring about it. Are you going through this too? -
cecilia said: read a super insightful post on dc today as to why Sj might have said 10 yrs instead of forever during his prison visit.. and its way more romantic than u can think!! The clue is is during thd hongdae scene in ep 15!!!! haha i feel ive been released of the lasy inkling of sadness from the ending lol i will be writing a very long post tonight i guess haha
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alambala said: luvhollandlop said: seungshinl said: junebugg said: @alambala You summarized quite well why Ep 16 stands out for me and also the reason why I could bless their chemistry, despite the glaring age difference. It was his utter devotion; the absoluteness of his love and more importantly, how it was all packaged without the hand tugs, or the slaps and the trite dialogues, though there were some real saccharine and maudlin ones that would have made me cringe, had it been delivered by another actor than YAI. SJ's love often reminded me of Florentina Ariza from Love in the time of cholera. Both of them experienced love like a sickness - a descending insanity, like everything else perished in a void, when she walked in. And not to mention the angst galore (which I mention from time to time,) SLA was. For all these above reasons, I couldn't understand the severely limiting expectation that SJ proposed for their relationship, at the jail scene. The need for repentance over her fixation towards materialism or her fraudulent acts that didn't kill anybody was another over-kill for me. I haven't gone back to re-watching SLA from the start, but could get past some initial scenes and it appears that every frame I cross, Ep 16's conversations surface to my mind and sounds like that discordant, off-key note, in the entire symphony of episodes. I'm hoping to make peace with it, someday.
Now what I would have liked it to be, is a long list: the first of which being HW falling for SJ, when she isn't in a loveless marriage. That is a shade of grey, I would like some author, drama or movie to explore.
I believe the movie Naked Kitchen did it to some extent and then fizzled out towards the end.
PS Its freaking me out that you would mention the Piano now. The Promise is currently on my player. Oh! on another note, there is one other similarity, I noticed between The Piano and SLA - both men are maddeningly drawn to the curve of their woman's neck, as they take in their view from the back. Its interesting that Baines kisses Ada for the first time during the same scene. And in SLA, too we see an assertive SJ claiming his hug from HW during a similar scene (it could be the director's favorite angle to capture KHA, because I noticed many other scenes where KHA was in deep contemplation and they were framed the same way.) -
seungshinl said: junebugg said: @alambala You summarized quite well why Ep 16 stands out for me and also the reason why I could bless their chemistry, despite the glaring age difference. It was his utter devotion; the absoluteness of his love and more importantly, how it was all packaged without the hand tugs, or the slaps and the trite dialogues, though there were some real saccharine and maudlin ones that would have made me cringe, had it been delivered by another actor than YAI. SJ's love often reminded me of Florentina Ariza from Love in the time of cholera. Both of them experienced love like a sickness - a descending insanity, like everything else perished in a void, when she walked in. And not to mention the angst galore (which I mention from time to time,) SLA was. For all these above reasons, I couldn't understand the severely limiting expectation that SJ proposed for their relationship, at the jail scene. The need for repentance over her fixation towards materialism or her fraudulent acts that didn't kill anybody was another over-kill for me. I haven't gone back to re-watching SLA from the start, but could get past some initial scenes and it appears that every frame I cross, Ep 16's conversations surface to my mind and sounds like that discordant, off-key note, in the entire symphony of episodes. I'm hoping to make peace with it, someday.
Now what I would have liked it to be, is a long list: the first of which being HW falling for SJ, when she isn't in a loveless marriage. That is a shade of grey, I would like some author, drama or movie to explore. I believe the movie Naked Kitchen did it to some extent and then fizzled out towards the end.
PS Its freaking me out that you would mention the Piano now. The Promise is currently on my player. Oh! on another note, there is one other similarity, I noticed between The Piano and SLA - both men are maddeningly drawn to the curve of their woman's neck, as they take in their view from the back. Its interesting that Baines kisses Ada for the first time during the same scene. And in SLA, too we see an assertive SJ claiming his hug from HW during a similar scene (it could be the director's favorite angle to capture KHA, because I noticed many other scenes where KHA was in deep contemplation and they were framed the same way.) -
luvhollandlop said:
To me, HW was not suffering from low esteem of self. In some episodes, she showed that she had full confidence of her capabilities. She was definitely very confident when it comes to appreciating, understanding and teaching music. She did not come off as someone who felt that she was undeserving of love or destined to be hurt. Thus, throughout the show, she glowed with confidence; at least, that's my perception of her.
However, my sense of HW was that she did not love herself or perhaps did not know how to love herself. I argue that is different from having low self-esteem. Although she showed high regards for her capabilities and believed in her ability to be sly and outsmart many, she did not take good care of her person. She allowed people to abuse her verbally and physically. She married a man whom she did not love and a man who was so obtrusively unattractive that her friends laughed at her for being saddled with him. To the outside world, they made sense of her behaviour by thinking that she was this Ice Queen who had no need of emotions.
I do see that often in my line of work when providing therapeutic interventions. A successful career woman who allows her spouse to verbally abuse her and does nothing is not that uncommon. Why? Many factors but a common one; she came from a family where man belittles women and doesn't give them a voice. She learn not to heed her own voice. That became the narrative of the woman's life. We don't have HW's backstory to understand how she became such a person who did not love herself but my guess is the family she came from.
When SJ first showed her love, he loved her with consideration, with care towards her needs and her inner voice. When SJ saw HW in pain and full of regrets whilst listening to The Piano Man song, he was wondering why she did not heed her own voice of pain and get out of Seo Han clan. He could see that but she could not. To have a man who saw and love her so differently made a great difference in HW. For the first time, she paid closer attention to her inner voice.
Her not wanting to fight for a shorter jail term to me was her show of indifference. No matter what happened to her externally, she is in love with herself. She is no longer fighting for more. She is contented and at peace.
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To me, HW was not suffering from low esteem of self. In some episodes, she showed that she had full confidence of her capabilities. She was definitely very confident when it comes to appreciating, understanding and teaching music. She did not come off as someone who felt that she was undeserving of love or destined to be hurt. Thus, throughout the show, she glowed with confidence; at least, that's my perception of her.
However, my sense of HW was that she did not love herself or perhaps did not know how to love herself. I argue that is different from having low self-esteem. Although she showed high regards for her capabilities and believed in her ability to be sly and outsmart many, she did not take good care of her person. She allowed people to abuse her verbally and physically. She married a man whom she did not love and a man who was so obtrusively unattractive that her friends laughed at her for being saddled with him. To the outside world, they made sense of her behaviour by thinking that she was this Ice Queen who had no need of emotions.
I do see that often in my line of work when providing therapeutic interventions. A successful career woman who allows her spouse to verbally abuse her and does nothing is not that uncommon. Why? Many factors but a common one; she came from a family where man belittles women and doesn't give them a voice. She learn not to heed her own voice. That became the narrative of the woman's life. We don't have HW's backstory to understand how she became such a person who did not love herself but my guess is the family she came from.
When SJ first showed her love, he loved her with consideration, with care towards her needs and her inner voice. When SJ saw HW in pain and full of regrets whilst listening to The Piano Man song, he was wondering why she did not heed her own voice of pain and get out of Seo Han clan. He could see that but she could not. To have a man who saw and love her so differently made a great difference in HW. For the first time, she paid closer attention to her inner voice.
Her not wanting to fight for a shorter jail term to me was her show of indifference. No matter what happened to her externally, she is in love with herself. She is no longer fighting for more. She is contented and at peace.
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More photos of YAI at the SLA party. I think he is still in SJ character. Look at his feet.
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I have been waiting for SJ to appear... Is he going to give the party a miss?
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I can't remember this but have anyone posted a pic of Prof In Seo, how he looks like in real life? I think he is way cooler looking in real life.
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The Chinese SLA fans are also divided concerning the ending. Those having troubles coming to terms with the ending are finding ways to do so. One of them prefers to think beyond, posted a photo of HW after she completed her prison sentence.
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I just have a thought. What if HW is still going through a growth process? Her accepting her mistakes and punishment is the beginning of new life for her. She is beginning to be at peace with herself and growing more in love with herself. The visit with SJ when she kind of told him to leave her and thank him for giving her a new life. Afterwhich, SJ gave the speech about how she can leave her home (him) empty. That conversation can add on to her life script of growth. I can imagine her growing more at peace and confident. The final scene we have of her at the prision courtyard may be months later or a year or so later. It is her more at peace and happier. What do you think?
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I believe the movie Naked Kitchen did it to some extent and then fizzled out towards the end.
I believe the movie Naked Kitchen did it to some extent and then fizzled out towards the end.
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@junebugg,
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!!! and MORE, please... You definitely get the essence of SJ. Finally, I am thankful he considered to be a monk only for that moment.