Keikokoko
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1 hour ago, AgentQuake said:
reminds me of the ONE time in ep 2 that she asked him to explain quantum mechanics and it’s because she knew he wouldn’t shut up and shoved the swab in his mouthsee they had only know each other 6 minutes and she already knew how to manhandle him
JTE has street smarts; the King book smarts. I've always found the man with book smart charming and sexy, like Darcy.
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13 hours ago, madmad min said:
The Biggest thing was LG knew from the very start that there is A reason for The ID to be there in his LIFE even as a KID.
He just needed to find a VALID Scientific Explanation, however His Science got entangled with Magic of Manpasikjeok and JTE's Fiction And Reality of Love as a feeling got entangled with LG's 0 and 1.
I believe personally everything is made of Numbers , even the world as a whole, but the Existence of Something beyond my Power is what explains the MAGIC called Life
@madmad min Are you my long lost twin? I often found you spoke my mind.
I am a number person, and to me the everything in the world and everyday life can be explained by and in numbers. That's why this drama caught my eyes in the first place.
Just checking in to see how everyone is hanging on till next episode, only to find out Friday show is delayed. That's not bad thing as waiting can only make wanting more intense. Not to say that this drama isn't intense already, particular with last kiss bed scene we got.
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1 hour ago, Heretorant said:
The answer is no, it has not passed. In fact, it’s escalated to a rabbit pounding rice for eternity.
And I am guilty as charged. I’m included in that group of viewers because I loved episode 12
it’s one of my favorite for many reasons but mostly because of the OTP.
To those who are fans of LMH before watching the drama and those becoming fans of two leading actors/actress while watching the drama, I understand where your hearts are and how you all felt about ep 12. I am happy that you all are still living in that sensual moment. @HeretorantYou, of all people, deserved it the most as you have asked for it every single day. and being very persistent for long while.
Everyone watches show for different reason and walks away entertained for different reasons.
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1 hour ago, gwin said:
That being said, I do agree with you in general. I like the show for the plot mainly (the science and mystery aspects of it), the romance only second. But it appears the audience in Korea want to see more romance and that explains why this show has not being doing well there. So now the show has an identity crisis (which frankly they should have resolved early on) ---are they going to focus more on the romance or the science/fantasy?
@gwin That's exactly the dilemma producer has been facing since early on. It felt like producer set out to make a smart fantasy romance for international viewers but was not taken in well domestically; half way through they started to change the course, and people who bought in the original premises were suddenly threw off the loop.
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47 minutes ago, gwin said:
There was also the reveal about the PM,
@gwin To, the PM subplot has been all along clear to us, particularly after LR (LL) begun sending her ROK newspaper, and after she asked her ex-husband for arrangement. Her scene in ep 12 was not a surprise nor a clue but rather confirmation of how writer handled this subplot. I did find the scene at Na Ri's Cafe where JY walked in well done. The tension was there when they sized each other up and down with each having their own doubt. Kudo to the actor who plays JES and JY. He shined in this ep.
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Has the Neck Kiss Strom passed yet?
I must say that ep 12 was my least liked episode so far. It’s not because I did not like the kiss scene, but the whole episode was a show of desperation by production team trying to please certain group of audiences for higher rating. We did not learn much new clues, other than Lady Noh from ROK, and the plot did not move much neither. The whole episode made me feel like watching daytime soap opera or formulaic drama that housewives usually watch, particularly with two scenes – dressing in uniform cooking for his love and the bed scene.
The whole dress in uniform cooking for his love was nothing more than fulfilling female viewers’ fantasy. It’s like man’s version of woman dresses in nurse uniform serving meal to her lover. This scene, not only unnecessary, but anticlimactic to the intelligent, intense and serious tone that drama has set or tried to set from prior few episodes leading to ep 12.
The Kiss/Bed Scene again was another attempt to entice mostly domestic viewers. The kiss was done nicely and the neck part was sensual as you all said, despite my joking criticism of not being hot enough. The failure of it was not kiss itself delivered by actor and actress, but the marketing PR team leaking it all prior to airing. The built-up expectation might have created some buzz, but it failed to realize into actual sizzle to viewers like me, who weren’t familiar with how intimate scenes were usually handled in Korea. If this drama was done only for domestic market or markets that were familiar with Kdrama, this might be OK. But the drama aired in markets outside those regions to broader viewers who, like me, were just getting to know Kdrama, these leaked stills backfired.I came to like The King because of the perceived time and space bending sci-fi fantasy aspects, to which the prior episodes (up to epi 11) seemed to elude. The explanation of how LG came to recuse JTE in time was a lazy one and took all the excitement and suspense that were building up to this point out of window for me.
There were only two brief moments that I was not bored and felt emotionally connected to this drama like I did in past episodes - time frozen when their picture was taken in front of church and JY and SJ bro talk. These two scenes gave us further insight into these 3 characters’ state of mind – LG, JY and SJ , and their consequent actions in next few episodes to end this mess when two worlds collided. LG’s urgency to act before two worlds completely stop, YJ’s unwavering royalty to LG that he can sacrifice himself without a blink of eye, SJ begun seeing KOC and the King differently from JY’s eyes and camaraderie begun to form. This further confirms that SJ's role as one of very key to LG's quest.
I hope the production team stays on course to deliver a smart and entertaining drama as the tone set in its premier episode. Surprise and keep us guessing till the end.-
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12 minutes ago, syntyche said:
'The King' Woo Do-Hwan charm attracts viewers
I crown JY the sexiest man in Ep12. I ship him with SJ. That bro talk was most heartfelt to me in ep12.
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18 minutes ago, Heretorant said:
HahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaGet back to western shows chingu, you’re not going to get that here in the kdramaland, especially not on a public channel like sbs
I feel like I’ve just read porn
Maybe we should kick out writer Kim and have you write all the love scenes from now on! This show can use your expertise in writing sensual love making scenes
I’m starting a petition!
My scene exposed no more skin than neck. Definitely well under PG-13 for public tv. It's all internal
I should add, JY showed his sexy chest, and that's more than the scene I wrote.
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48 minutes ago, Heretorant said:
The neck part of course. It’s so sensual. And kge’s reaction. It was so real. She felt the chills down her spine.
I meant to say JTE.
Not really. I totally meant kge.
Of course, count on me to unlurk only when someone talks about the kiss
@Heretorant My dear, yes, neck. But that's not how you do sensual. I was expecting this:
He trailed his finger along her throat, and leaned closer to smell and nuzzled her neck. JTE gasped in surprise and let her head fall back exposing her throat to him, and savoring the warmth of his touch. LG slipped his hand under her hair and held her neck, his lips brushing hers as he spoke, “Do you remember the first time we kissed?”
I expected it to be heat burning slow kiss that took more than 3 minutes. Not a peck on neck and another peck on lips and a less than 2 second deep kiss that we couldn't see well. They might be making baby LG in there alright. But the foreplay just wasn't what it was promised. Where is the fatal lethal part? I wasn't dead, my mouth didn't drop, my heart wasn't pounding fast. It's all the leaked stills' fault. My expectation was built up too high.
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I felt cheated on The Kiss. The was beauty but where was adult part.
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9 hours ago, mychoiyoung said:
It had nothing to do with WHO killed WHOM. It is NOT a punishment for the killer doppelganger.
It is all about balance. Remember what the Yoyo Kid said "I am trying to restore balance"
Murder is against nature cos it s not yet time for the murdered doppelganger to leave their world.
That's why there is an imbalance
The scar is a consequence or manifestation of such imbalance.
Then we should also not forget the other condition -- they have crossed-over or are still crossing-over. Which means they are or have been in worlds or spaces where they do not belong. There is already an imbalance in both worlds and then we have characters "abusing" the use of the flute - a broken one at that.
Perhaps there is a need to restore the flute. Perhaps there is a higher reason why the flute only shows itself every 20 years. Perhaps it was never meant to be used arbitrarily.
Just finished watching ep 12 and come to write about my thought on scar pain /lighting on those crossing portal and happened to read
@mychoiyoung, which said everything I want to say. Thanks!!
Those tried to manipulate and alter the result of nature occurrence brought negative (bad) karma onto themselves. This includes LG himself. But why not JTE, because she accepts whatever fate will bring to her. She is not trying to change natural order.
Flute must be united and put to safe to restore the balance of two universes. Lady Noh was brought to KOC last time when flute was used to open the gate between two worlds. Was she the love of LG's grandpa? She stayed behind in KOC for love but missed her family and love ones in ROK. That's why she cites those longing poems. Is her story foretelling JTE's?
When human tried to alter fate forcefully, whether because of greed or love, against the natural order, we brought tragedy and disaster to ourselves. LG uses flute for love; LR (LL) for power; both against law of nature.
8 hours ago, SweetButters said:So this may be totally wrong, but I feel like this whole story is connected to the legend of the flute. Anyways the legends of the Goryeo royal family seems kinda similar to what's going on in TKEM (founder of Goryeo family has a name similar to LG except its "Geon"). Also see Dragon Kings of the East and West legend which was talked about in the history of the flute.
Also check out this link and look under the background section! The story of Lady Dou kinda sounds similar to that of Lady Noh in TKEM. Makes me think what if in some crazy whacked out world, Lady Noh is actually JTE's grandma??? Or she could be seen as the "dragon woman" in the story of the Goryeo royal family since she Lady Noh had mentioned she was from Pyongsan County which the dragon woman was also from.
@SweetButtersI was thinking that JTE is walking on the footstep of Lady Noh before reading your post. So at least there are two (you and me) thinking the same or similarly, whether right or wrong.
Thanks for the link.
Looks like the writer wrote fairly tale / folk story than sci-fi that I have been theorizing. I will have to start watching this drama with different lens now.
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Haven't watched ep 12 but come in to see if everyone is alright. Any survivors? All died from that promised fatal kiss?
Catch up later. I may have to get immunity first to stay alive to resurrect you all from death by fatal kiss. Apparently it surpassed lobster kiss
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25 minutes ago, scrawford said:
Lee Min-ho and Kim Go-eun appeared with a shy smile before shooting a comprehensive gift set that would give them a vibe from cheerfulness to adult beauty.
Comprehensive gift to help adult beauty during a bed scene? Like what? Aromatic body oil? Are they releasing R rated version just for us?
Edit: goodnight everyone. For those lucky ones who get to watch earlier than us on this side of Pacific Ocean, have fun.
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23 minutes ago, x2020 said:
And.... I afraid if these still is for the episode 13 NEXT WEEK.... Remember when we have the still for Pheya in Uniform in the kitchen???? yesterday and it was not in the ep 11.
Soooo, all of us need to hold our horses... for another week... hahaha haigoooooo
I am OK for some foreplay in ep 12 and something more earth shattering with extended bed scene coming in ep 13/14
15 minutes ago, x2020 said:Lee Min-ho and Kim Go-eun's "Fatal Bedroom Kiss"
@scrawford your lobster kiss wish may come true
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9 minutes ago, SweetButters said:
Minus well dig myself a grave bc those stills just killed meWe are all dead now. No one will be around when they tie the knot. That's the sad ending we've been worried about.
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7 minutes ago, deabakdrama said:
@Keikokoko She could be thought that the boy hit her last time, is also lived in the "world" of this gang. It is impossible she knows that yoyo boy in KOC because she has not met him before.
English translation, Chinese and Spanish similar meaning
JTE: What? By the way, you are in this world too
Yo yo boy : There is only one of me. I went to the other world
Seemed clearly they were talking about two worlds not "world" of gang. But we can all have our own takes, which makes discussion so much more fun.
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5 minutes ago, mychoiyoung said:
My whole family is also a big Nolan fan. So we had no problem watching TKEM, despite some editing problems in the earlier episodes. But I think the change in the director & the movement of the former director to do the editing is a great move, as we have seen in the last 3 episodes.
Yes Memento is fantastic!
Can't agree more. I watched first 4 episodes in one go and was annoyed by lack of fluidity and phrasing from scene to scene. It got so much better when they changed the director. Despite I liked the story line, great cast, beautiful chromatography, it was uninspiring to watch in the beginning. I would have dropped it if it wasn't for all the fun I had with everyone here. You guys saved this drama for me.
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4 minutes ago, nikki7 said:
Question; have we ever been introduced to this Se Jin character? Lee Gon & Prince Bu Young seems to favor this fella.
I don't know. Only want to comment that King looked so mighty when he sit this nonsense good for nothing price down. He is the King and not to be pushed around.
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1 hour ago, Heilo said:
Nolan can be good at times but to be fairly honest he has some over the top fans online but nonetheless no discredit to him he has some good works.
Have you watched the movie called ''Gettaca' With Ethan Hawke and Umm Truman 1997. This movie is way ahead of it's time and It seems as if it has premiered in the year 2030 which means it came out to early and to be exact 33 years to early. The directing used in that film is what I call masterpiece.
Other then that there is the Time machine quite emotional movie and great despite the sad turn of events.
Nolan does have lots of rabid fans, but the man himself is brilliant. Can't wait for his time travel film Tenet this year.
How can I forget Gattaca, gene selection for prefect human, yet the inferior natural born Ethan Hawke had his dream come true. As a person who had worked in lab with professor on chromosome manipulation for cure of Down Syndrome, this movie was particularly relevant to me when it came out in 1997. Thanks for bring back memory. I am going to rewatch it again now that you mentioned it.
The King, while isn't a deeply complex concept, it's also not a one note love story. I had suspected that writer wrote this drama with broader international audiences in mind. People who are familiar with sci-fi dramas and movies would find it not difficult to follow, although we may have different theories to support our understanding of the story. I will be sad when it ends for sure. Only 5 episodes left.
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1 hour ago, madmad min said:
In Writing I understand the Timeloop concept that you explained here(As I mentioned Long Before, had TKEM been a Book it would have been very much easily be comprehensible,) but Writing to SCREEN TRANSLATION with this non-linear concept is Not at all catchable or understandable.
Being a Christopher Nolan long time fan, I guess I am just very used to the nonlinear narrative structure and motifs of memory and perception type of story telling. I don't find event told through scenes from different time loops to be difficult to understand if pay attention to details.
I will say thus, when it comes to time, space and mind bending, none beats Nolan. So maybe @madmad min you are right, I should not expect too much from this writer's work. If writer's intention is for a no-brainier mass consumption of daytime soap opera, then I've given too much credit to each line and gesture by actors/actress and scenes setup by production team. Nevertheless I've had fun theorizing and really don't care if right or wrong at the end. It's a beautifully produced drama that have entertained me far above my expectation and changed my perception of generally formulaic story in Kdrama. Memento, my all time favorite film by Nolan. Check it out if everyone likes a bit brain exercise.
Edit: @madmad min I agree that there may be something lost in translation, which cause confusion. But the drama is aired in Netflix legitimately, I would think the producer OK'd the translation.
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17 minutes ago, AgentQuake said:
Ladies, I think we need to just call it as it is.
A full blown gunfight wouldn't have given us boiling hot LMH swinging a sword and looking like THAT.
I will wave any and all plot inaccuracies and tactical problems.
BECAUSE Y'ALL
THAT WAS SO DAMN HOT
WHERES MY INHALER
I've been on ventilator since April. This might be my last straw. Oh wait, I need to time loop back to see the wedding night. Otherwise, let me die as ghost floating in the in-between space.
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6 hours ago, Dramafreak said:
Question is will she die?
I still need to see the episode again but how could Luna be convinced so easily???
Is it qeird translation or does she only need an organ transplant?
No, she needs to be saved and lives on to stop the time loop before time in both worlds stop. That's how I will end this drama season 1.
As many of us said time and time again, there are so many materials that can easily extend this drama to next few seasons. I'd like see the story of LR (LL). To me, he is Lucifer, god's castaway son, the light bearer, an enigma and often misunderstood character. He became known in modern world as evil son of god. He is very sexy character in my view.
6 hours ago, briseis said:Very poignant dialogue between LG & JTE yet full of hope because there is next time.
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44 minutes ago, mychoiyoung said:2 hours ago, Heretorant said:2 hours ago, scrawford said:
I say it again and again....those comments about him came last in the battle and not a good shooter, and not good with sword, it's all too misdirect the viewer. I can smell the BS from episode 4. LG is an amazing fighter. I just rewatched Episode 4 where the Navy captain told LG that he came last and LG was a bit taken aback by that comment and he said "I wasn't....and the *sigh...Hasn't it been classified as national secret yet". That answered is double meaning to me, it's meant to trick the viewer. It could be the fact that he came last in combat been classified as national secret, or the fact that it's not true and he is a good fighter has been classified as national secret. Why the writer tried to misdirect, idk....
It's good to make your enemy thinks that you are not capable, while you are actually really capable of defending yourself and really good at it.
I’d like to reiterate what you said here! I believe it is all for show! A king who ascended the throne after his father was murdered grows up without practicing combat? Not a chance.I heartily concur
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Thanks for the link.
[Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주
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The two different translation has two very different implication to the drama. First one implied that there are set rules of traveling between two worlds, which usually would lead to us theorizing them, which has been part of fun all of us do here. The second one is plain and straightforward for viewers to understand that scaring/lightening is not connected to crossing worlds. And this perhaps is truly what writer meant.
I wonder how many intrigues and suspense that I got from watching first 10 episodes were actually intended by writer or from bad translation. Part of my discontentment since epi 11 was that those intrigues we thought we saw or understood and theorized in early episodes did not result into anything in later episodes, continuity issue as many of you have said too.
Despite of all that, the King is still majestic and a very fast learner. Just look at his first and latest kiss, you see the tremendous growth there.