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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    11 hours ago, Wanderer062287 said:

    Reading all of your theories about how the original script was different from what we were shown makes me feel all kinds of uneasy

     

    Just wait a little while. Maybe the script will get published?
    It'll be in Korean, and hard to translate. Machine translation is very imprecise.
    I'd be curious to take a look at it. Some specific scenes, like the one where the characters arrive in the in-between world for the first time.  This was rendered in a way that is not very understandable. I'd like to see if it was clear in the script, and if it was badly done in the editing.
    My impression is that the script will be faithful to the drama.
    Maybe a few deleted scenes or shortened dialogue from time to time.
    But the writer is influential, so I think her script will have been respected.

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    2 hours ago, SweetButters said:

    @Elnin Joery Oh no, rest assured that if anyone from the TKEM team ever asked me to become a ghost writer for a season 2, I would give you guys a more cohesive, logical, fulfilling, and more luxurious season!!! Not the first time someone said I should be a ghost writer for this show so thankies !!! I understood where KES was trying to go, but in the end she fell short to deliver it in so many ways despite knowing the # of episodes she had available to say all what she needed to say. 


     

    Spoiler

     

    If I was at the helm, I would cut out a bunch of unnecessary crap or details as I would call it lol. The whole problem with TKEM to begin with was that it just kept on adding more crap after more crap lol. The reason for her adding so much science and mathematics to TKEM was suppose to make viewers think that logically these events could have happened. However, what it ended up doing to most viewers was leave them in a sort of dizzying confusion lol. Also other crap that she chose to explore was the philosophical side of the notion of time (eternalism, possiblism, presentism, moving spotlight theory, etc). It was so unneeded on top of all the other crap she had already included lol. In the end though, she reverted to doing what people from thousands of years ago tended to do when trying to explain the unexplainable.... which was to create a deity to explain it all away lol. 

     

    As to what direction I would take the show if there would be a season 2 (again I highly doubt there will be), I think I would like to explore what would happen if there was a battle between the different Gods and the subsequent consequences it would have on not only KOC or ROK, but all the other worlds. I would probably like to expand more on Yo-Yo Kid's story as well as the mysticism behind Luna's character. I mean at least from season 1, it was inferred that Yo-Yo Kid was the God of SpaceTime and Fate, but was he also the King of all Gods? Also, I would want to make sure there was some sort of scene where LG explains to the Scooby gang how multiple worlds exists (like actually explain things instead of having it written on the chalk boards lol). Additionally, I think the first few episodes (ep1-3) should include what happened following the events after 2022. Side note I would probably cut out a bunch of stuff dealing with the whole police force. Finally, the whole central problem to be solved is whether or not the Scooby gang (LG, JTE, KHM, JY/ES) could be reunited once again (now settled in their seemingly quiet/calm lives) to save all the worlds (not just two in season 1 of TKEM) and resolve the ensuing battle between the Gods. And me being the forever JY/MSA and ES/Nari shipper would totally want some more scenes of those couples haha. Like would JY leave his own family (probably now married to MSA and having two kids) to once again be LG's right hand man?

     

    From there, it could go in so many directions like what if the kid LG and JTE have is some sort of rare/unique/mystical child that was blessed by the Gods because they came from parents of two different worlds. Could they be the key in saving everything? Could LG unite people from multiple worlds to help battle against the consequences of the war between the Gods? Again, this is literally from the top of my head lol.

     

     

     

    Interesting.
    But if you did that, would you change any parameters, or would you take season 1 into account 100%?
    I say this because to write a season 2, you would need to have a perfect understanding of season 1, or at least rule out a relevant and logical explanation for each phenomenon.
    However, this task is certainly very difficult.
    You have to lay everything down flat: what are the precise rules used. Not easy for time travel, for memory stories.
    There are still a lot of things for which I haven't seen any explanation anywhere, like the timestop after Lee Gon left the palace after his first time travel, with round trips. I remember that timestop persists in one world and in the other world there is none.
    Whatever it is explained, there are ways to contradict, to be contradicted, etc... I notice anomalies for some of the explanations given, while at last we think we're getting to the point. I gave up on the subject because it's endless, and the flaws in the narration of the drama didn't allow me to appreciate it, which deprives me of any motivation. At a certain point, all this junk started to disappear naturally from my memory. Too much has never been shown, and there is no solid base to rely on except for speculation. I don't even know what explanation the screenwriter has, whether she unintentionally left plot-hole, and whether it's the spectators who fill in the holes.
    Anyway, if you're writing a season 2, are you just going to start from the existing? And so at least find explanations that make everything that has been seen coherent, taking care not to generate new inconsistencies in the process?
    There, on a drama like that, I wouldn't even take the risk of going into it, even if I liked drama. Besides, the subtlety of the process might not be perceived, because people watching the drama have difficulty understanding it. But it would be an opportunity to explain things and start again on a healthy basis.
    I doubt that you will be able to contact KES. But if you do manage to contact KES, please consider contacting me to explain the process. I don't want to write to her, but it would give me a chance to find out how to contact someone else.

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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    17 minutes ago, Heretorant said:

    I feel the same way so there’s definitely a correlation. We were all living in a dream and still living in a dream. Now it’s time to wake up but we don’t want to.

     

    Poor things.  :weary:

    I really can't do anything for you right now, you need to go through withdrawal.
    Drama much stronger than that will do the trick.
    But how are you going to cut the cord?
    When I saw my favourite work several years ago, I was able to do so.  :weary:
    And I saw two great dramas after that.  :weary:
    Not as good in comparison, but enough to make a step between two rewatches.
    Was it luck, or was it talent?  :weary:

    Are you so weak ?  :weary:

    I say this while remaining humble and modest.  :weary:

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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    3 hours ago, realistic2280a said:

    Of course, im grateful that it ended happily, it didnt go Goblin on us.... but it could have been better.

     

    I was initially confused, in the last episode, Yeong retained his memories. But when LG and JTE accidently went bk to LG world which he left a few minutes ago, and met Yeong and the royal guards, how come Yeong didnt remember TE? Or is it a different parallel universe again?

     

    Ps. Whats with the donate points suddenly on the thread?

     

    Just take it like that :

    If the screenwriter was good, you wouldn't be confused. ;)

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    6 minutes ago, Flloy House said:

     

    I agree with you and all we know is that they ended together and grow old together but assuming they will remain weekend couple for so long is not logical to me and thats just how I see it 

     

    No, it's logical.

    Saturday 10:00 a.m., they're going away for the weekend.

    They spend one year like that elsewhere.

    Saturday 10:01 a.m., they come back from the weekend.

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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    11 minutes ago, Joanna Alfson said:

     

    Hahahahahahah. That was hilarious and why would she let him bang a concubine because it makes no sense i agree with you on that but why can't they just settle down? 

     

    Baaaah... I just take what the drama show (for once it show something, lol).

    Tae Eul isn't the Queen.

    She can't be for a random bad reason, like there is also Luna in the world.

    But who gives a hell of a damn deep down?
    Every celebrity has look-alikes.

    So it could be ok, but look like a plot-hole is better.

    Or maybe Tae Eul is one of those independent young women who prefers to keep her life as a cop in her own world.

    It's probably more fun than being queen...

    Now, the King could be even more irresponsible and stop to be the King.

    And settle down.

    But let's say, he try to be a bit responsible, so he stay the King.

    So, here, my solution for that.

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    9 minutes ago, Joanna Alfson said:

     

    I am not ruling out your theory and could be possible but how do you see this unfold? 

     

    The characters use a divine object for a motive as futile as space-time tourism.
    They're not a step away from an extra irresponsibility.
    There's no way Tae Eul will accept Lee Gon banging a concubine.
    So Lee Gon is going to get Tae Eul pregnant using his second flute.
    The child will be entrusted to the concubine, and the king will make believe it's their child.
    Then Tae Eul and Lee Gon will take their kid on their space-time excursions.
    All's well that ends well.

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    6 minutes ago, Time loop said:

     

    This was never about flaws just whether you predicted right or not. You said you predicted but that was the opposite atleast for what I seen. You have around 10.000s theories spread out in this thread not many got things right some may have here an there but that was far and between and very rare which means almost everything was not predicted correctly and common knowledge in here

     

    I give up, I'm so tired about this drama. :confounded:

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    7 minutes ago, Time loop said:

     

    Even from the beginning you said 5 mins action that was wrong and you mentioned several points the only thing you got correct is happy ending and that answer is like 50-50 and equal to tossing a coin

     

    Waaaaah, first post was heavy parody, I never writed it so it will become truth!

    But I was surprised that some points where true.

    Action end at some point, mmmh, 10-12 minute maybe.

    It's quite sluggish, you get boring scenes with Shin-Jay and his mother.

    You get new stuff without explanation. And you don't get answers about many stuff.

     

    I didn't predicted return of useless characters (old prince) or so many plot-holes, and I feel sorry because I could, as episode 14 and 15 already reached the limits about logical flaws.

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    10 minutes ago, Time loop said:

     

    Hahaha. You threw in there couple of guesses like saying ''GOOD ending'' but as for predicting segments nah! :joy:

     

     

    Aaaaaah, you want proof, isn't it ? <_<

     

    It was my 2 only post about ending.

     

    About "gods ending"...

    There is also a little plot-hole in my version, but you can solve it easely : put Tae Eul blood on flute.

    Or you can just do it like this : Tae Eul and Lee Gon go in the past 3h before, and take another flute for Tae Eul.

    I avoided the plot-hole "go back in time before the flut split" you see in the drama, so of course, I can't predict something based on plot-hole and breaking logical rules the drama set. ;)

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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    5 hours ago, syntyche said:

     

     

    Hey Monarchs! I would like to thank you all for visiting, posting, liking, and lurking on this thread. "The King" has been quite a ride for all of us. Kudos to us for sticking with the drama until the end. This has been a community where we share our theories, opinions, and expertise. You have made this into a friendly space where we could share our interest for the drama. Your determination to read all pages of this LTE-fast thread is admirable. :)(Apologies if I missed your names here. I tried my best to list all of those who posted in the last week.) 

     

     

    I'm just here to say hello !!!

     

    I'm glad about 2 things:

    - My comic post about ending was partialy right, and a lot of (funny) things happened. :lol:

    - My other post about ending was right too, final answer was : Gods of space time ! :w00t:

    (it's just I did it without the plot-holes of the drama, lol !) B)

    So finaly, I don't have to say "Im a loser". :)

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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    The truth episode is coming up. :)

    Episode 16 ! :D

     

    Something that's both ultra-sluggish and ultra messy. :blink:

    - No answer to anything, on the contrary, new weird and confusing stuff.

    - No explanation for who built the pillars or the flute, it's like that!

     

    I predict five minutes of action, then nothing. :huh:

    - Jo-Yeong is badly injured, so we won't see him afterwards and don't know if he survives or dies.
    - The two main characters are separated and looking for each other.

    - They're both losing their memories.
    - They meet on the esplanade once again, but no one hugs...
    - They are separated forever afterwards, and regain their memories after that.

    - During the whole episode, they cry and are desperate, depressed.

     

    Characters in a total blur. <_<
    - The story of Lady Noh's past in North Korea has no impact, besides we forget to talk about it.
    - We don't see the Yoyo Kid again, who disappears completely without us ever knowing anything or what.
    - The PM Koo is totally forgotten and doesn't appear in the episode. An unfortunate technical incident.
    - Luna doesn't appear in the episode either, we can assume everything. But a very thin clue, such as a crumpled envelope on the floor with a hospital logo, will allow the most valiant spectators to guess that she died of cancer. Other spectators disagree and claim that Luna has travelled 1000 years back in time. She retired and built a hotel: the famous Hotel Del Luna.
    - Nari appear in the PPL bar, but no Eun-Sup. As he already said goodbye to Jo-Yeong, he did the job he was asked to do in the drama.

    - In the end, Shin-Jay didn't go into the past. So there will be a lot of scenes dedicated to him alone and to his mothers, for nothing. Well, not 100% nothing, they will eat a lot of chicken.
    - Lee Lim is even more foolish. This time, it's the Lee Lim of the future killing the Lee Lim of the past. With a cliché effect but illogical, it leads to his disappearance, even if he comes from another timeline, but who cares?

    - Maximus dies of old age.


    New characters never seen before, such as :wacko:

    - a royal grandfather half mad,

    - a mysterious notary with yellow hairs introduced by secretary Moo,
    - a character who may also travel back in time, with another mysterious object that we never see hidden in a golf club. This character will make disturbing allusions and maybe it is actually an already existing character, but this will never be shown or explained. Nobody know if it's a man or a woman and he/she wear giant sunglasses.


    Dozens of new questions without clues or meaning will invade the episode.:o

    - a timestop of timestop,

    - a yellow three in a pink field in a glass snow bottle.

    - a new world both night and day with golf balls everywhere.

     

    There will be a very slow motion scene in which a voice-over will recite a 5-minute poem. :sweatingbullets:

    Only 2.71828% of the audience will remain awake after that. -_-


    The last scene will be strange and dreamlike, or nightmarelike who know ? B)

    - We will see Tae Eul and Lee Gon together, suddenly, out of nowhere, when they were separated forever before.
    - But we will have no context, and their dialogue will be enigmatic, hermetic, indecipherable.
    - We won't know when and where they are, nor will we know if they are the same people who were in the drama.
    - Nor will we know whether they will become happy or not, because they are neither sad nor happy.
    - They are just looking into the distance, huddling together, and there is a lot of wind.

     

    No conclusion can be given to anything! :P

     

    I hope that the drama will not disappoint me, and will propose an ending episode of this kind! :wub:

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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    5 minutes ago, madmad min said:

    From My understanding Both the Scenes are like Prologue to the Actual Story. 

     

    If I am taking this Question correct you are talking about scenes wherein LR explains about Manpasikjeok to JTE-SJ and LG sitting on Maximus and Thunder strikes right?

     

    This was the Prologue scene and Episode 15 had same scenes although THE detailed scene of LR explaning Manpasikjeok was cut.

     

    No, I was talking about the palace attack scene.

    (I just made correction in my post, because obviously it was not enough clear).

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    12 hours ago, vangsweetie637 said:

    how will TKEM end for our OTP:

     

    1. LG and TE become King and Queen of KOC

    2. LG and TE goes and live together in a whole new universe

    3. TE and JH meet instead

    4. LG stays in KOC, TE stays in ROK. Separated forever.

    5. Staring and smiling at each other only
    6. It was all just a dream!

     

     

    Lee Gon and Tae Eul come back in 1994 and kill all the Lee Lims.
    Lee Gon takes his flute and Lee Lim's flute from 2020, and make a whole flute out of it.
    Tae Eul takes the flute that was just cut in half from the child Lee Gon and the 1994 Lee Lim, and makes a whole flute from it.
    Thanks to the flutes, they become gods who never get old.
    The super-world that gives access to all eras becomes their palace.
    They are the Eternal Monarchs, King and Queen.
    (There's however a plot-hole, their future baby will not have a flute, will grow old and then die, but it doesn't matter, they can have a multitude of others baby, who will have the same fate. Being gods is already good, you can't have everything in life).

     

    Option 7: Gods of space-time!

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    [Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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    Yah! The experts!! :w00t:
    Everybody got their brains in a bunch?
    I found several unresolved questions about episodes 14 and 15.
    So, I need your help (which I ask for shamelessly :unsure:).

     

    I found two potential plot-hole (or at least, strong inconsistencies).
    - How does Lee Gon know the process of "merging memories" before to take some decisions? In a context of rewriting the timeline, it's better to have as little influence as possible (see the movie Primer). Going out to say hi to Tae Eul is the worst mistake to make. It risks altering the timeline, and accidentally make sure she won't be there at the time of the first meeting on the esplanade, by butterfly effect.
    - Why hasn't LL2 radically changed his plan? He has just got a precious piece of information, he has a double from the future (which he killed stupidly).
    LL2 = Lee Lim who killed Lee Lim.

    So ?

     

    I found another problem: in the first episode of the drama (palace attack), how does the Lee Gon from the future do to be there? He needed someone else to come. A different flute piece than his own. However, we know that the Lee Lim in that scene didn't kill his future double, so there was no one with another piece of flute.

    Yah! Someone here ?

     

    Another outstanding issue:
    When Lee Gon leaves the palace after saving Lee Gon as a child, he goes into ROK.
    But there, time is stopped! On top of that, for a very long time (several days or more).
    - Why such a long time?
    My hypothesis is that the length of the timestop has not been reset, because it doesn't depend on a moment in time, it's an absolute datum.
    But in this case, it will have a plot-hole afterwards. Because Lee Lim and Lee Gon will regularly change worlds, as in episodes 1 to 13. But then the timestop would be much longer. And this has not been mentioned.
    - Why is there a timestop?
    And yes, so far, I don't remember seeing a character enter a world, and provoke timestop himself and live it. (although that is logical). It's as if only the characters who are already there were undergoing timestop. As if the newcomer is kept in the in-between world until the timestop ends. You would have to review the episodes to see if you can see one character coming out of a portal while another is undergoing timestop.
    - When Lee Gon returns almost immediately to QOK, it doesn't cause timestop! So that contradicts my previous assumption.
    What the hell is all this crap?!!

    I know you know, don't hide.

     

    I apologize if any of you end up in a psychiatric hospital.
    I disclaim all responsibility, I didn't sign any official papers.
    You have accepted the rules of the forum and freely read the content written by other Internet users.
    Don't try to screw me on this, the law is with me. :angry:

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    1 hour ago, Wanderer062287 said:

    When he went back to the present, he is already the LG 2.0 who is returning into a world that is lived out by the BB LG he saved when he went back. He is one and the same person, but with a new set of memories because of the alterations he did while going back to the present. 

     

    In reference to my thoughts above, I think when LG1 went back to the present (the one we got at the start of episode 15), he has essentially merged to become one and the same person with the BB LG he saved (I think LG2 in your definition). LG2's time travel arc became one and the same with LG1. As you said, LG2 would not be able to travel back without LL2 traveling back too (which we're assuming he won't do anymore because of what happened in the past), so he never really left. BUT when LG1 has finally caught up to the present, he became an LG that both time-traveled and did not time-travel. Essentially, he ceased to be LG1, and became LG 2.0 with two sets of memories from then on. 

     

    I guess my thoughts above can apply to this too. He has memories from his original timeline, but once he returned and become the very same BB LG he saved when he went back to the past, he acquired a new set of memories - the ones that BB LG lived.

     

     

    Yeah, what you're saying makes sense.
    In fact, if you think harder, it's the only way to avoid the plot-hole I was talking about before.
    But it's all very unclear, I'm even doubting whether KES has conceptualized this as much as we have.

    And in the end we're the ones who fix the holes, lol!
    That's quite unacceptable when it comes to restitution for the viewer.
    We needed a scene to show the end of Lee Gon's journey.

     

    For example:
    - LG1 is in the in-between world.
    - LG2 is about to travel in time. Actually, he can't because Lee Lim doesn't want to travel on his side.
    - However LG2 hears the sound of the flute and goes to the portal.
    - In fact, he does not know it, but this sound of flute is there to alert him that he must enter the portal to merge with LG1.
    - A shot with LG1 in the in-between world walking towards an exit or a rift.
    - A shot with LG2 walking towards the portal.
    - A very stylish shot, with LG1 exiting the portal, and LG2 entering the portal at the same time.
    - A shot with the in-between world, deserted, no LG2.
    - A shot with LG1 coming out of the portal, having some kind of weird crisis, and some flashback of LG2's memories.

     

    Doing this is the basics. It's far more valuable than showing useless characters from start to finish, or quickly give incomplete information in an LG-TE dialogue.This drama is completely stupid to never want to explain the indispensable things and preserve mysteries that are no longer there, and permanently plummet the viewer's immersion.
    You read this forum on soompi. Here you have the smartest and most advanced people in the understanding of drama, and everyone here is wondering about this mess. Is it normal that the experts themselves are in the cabbage patch? And the audience who just have their TVs and are alone in front of it, what happens to them?

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