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I answer to my own question :

Why did it choose to show a photo taken in a reflection, so that the image is reversed? This is something that intrigues me. What's the meaning of this ?

 

So we can see the brother reflection on the photo. A way to confirm that all photos were shot by the brother.

Maybe there is another meaning I don't know.

 

19 minutes ago, bedifferent said:

Realistically, the film wouldn't survive the radiation or whatever emitting from the uploading machine. 

 

If we are looking at TSan's photos,  there was a pic of Tsul at the Busan conference.  Also this one of him in the reed field.  Tsan was there from afar.

 

What was the story on Tsan's death?  Whose body was it?

 

Woo! Great excerpt, I didnt remember this photo.

Im not sure it's radiation. Typical radiation like alpha-beta-gamma ray from nuclear. As it's deadly, irradiated people couldnt survive.

 

Im thinking about an anentropic field. (I get this name from SF book Hyperion by Dan Simmons).

A field sorrounding travelers, and creating time instability, or even time reversal. Like the scene when Seo Hae remove the magazine from the gun, but the gun still fire, as if the magazine was in it.

On packmule blog, she noticed than many times, people use the expression "run". As if "running" is a word with real meaning is activate a kind of timeshifting ability.

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5 minutes ago, nrllee said:

It was not his brother, that’s what the test said - the DNA didn’t match .  Which is why I think TSan faked his death back in 2010.  Remember how frantic he looked at the shareholders meeting?  He seemed worried that people were after him?  So it would make sense to fake his death so that the people after him would think he was dead and therefore stop.  The body was disfigured.  TSul assumed it was him because the Police showed him the backpack which was his brother’s.  And the body was cremated with the remains put in an urn with TSan’s name on it.  So TSan lived right to the future and came back.  I don’t know why he didn’t look like he aged much  at the conference?  And the photo above taken of SeoJin and TSul with his reflection didn’t look like he aged much either?

 

Thanks!

I suppose this now (more clearly) : The brother we see at the conference, it's the one who faked his death, he's not from the future. So, Brother from same timeline than Tae Sul. He will take photo of weeding, later. So Tae Sul marry the Seo Hae we see in the drama (a wife from the future ). Then, later Tae Sul brother will come back in time with all photos in his suitcase, and probably die during the plane scene, because he fall from 10000m high. He sacrifice himself because he need to recreate the event of the plane accident, or maybe, he just wanted to land in golpy field, but it missed. I don't know. How and why he have to travel back and be in the sky, choice, accident, or have to be like that because it was already like that, and this can't be changed. That's why I see it as a sacrifice. If he do that (or if it have to be like that), it's not only about photos, but also the Key ! The Key and what is in the safety deposit box should be very important. And Tae Sul have to get this. Only way is to bring back the Key to him, from the future.

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8 minutes ago, nrllee said:

 We never found out how the brother died?  He was already in the urn.  He “died” the day after TSul was at the shareholders meeting. That was in 11Aug 2010.  10 years ago.  According to @packmule3’s timeline (http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2021/02/23/sisyphus-eps-1-2-timelines-for-taesul-and-seohae/), the date of his death inscribed on the urn was 12Aug 2010.

 

So I am guessing TSul was supposed to see SeoJin for therapy after his brother’s death.  But he didn’t want to participate in those sessions so all he got her to do to help him forget was to prescribe all those pills.  That’s why he told her at the therapy session we first see her in to “just give me pills”.  He didn’t want to talk about it.  But this time she said she couldn’t do that.  She had to prove she had counseling sessions with him (the company had directed her to).  So he was forced to start talking about it.

 

So I think with that timeline, the “accident” had to have been the plane which nearly crashed.  It would’ve had an emergency landing.  One of its engines was out of commission.  So it was a near death experience for everyone.

 

Oh! I need your help. There is something I forgot.

When doing the ashes DNA test, what was the result ?

Was it really brother DNA, or was it not ?

I remember it was not, but I'm not sure.

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4 hours ago, taeunfighting said:

Aside from the wedding photo, Tae Sul also developed this photo from Tae San's camera. Have we talked about it? It looks like he was there at Tae Sul's therapy session with Seo Jin.

 

I guess the picture is of the exact scene we see in the drama, the scene is at (35:00), but if you look more, it's also at end episode 1. (59:50). The second part is a flashback and it show the ending of the scene. We can already wonder why the script chooses to split this scene in two parts. The second time, Tae Sul is looking for the suitcase.

 

Why a photo with this Psy seance ? At that moment, Tae Sul reveals to the psychiatrist that he cannot accept his brother's death and move on. This shows his determination to fix things if one day he has the opportunity (such as inventing a time machine).
I wonder if the photos are not key moments in Tae Sul's journey towards his future invention and the problems that it brings. Here, the photo shows his declaration of intent. The one at the conference shows the technical process he will use. Then that of the wedding, the choice he will make when asked "your wife or the world".

There is something strange about the photo at the psychiatrist's, however. The scenario could easily show a photo taken normally. Why did it choose to show a photo taken in a reflection, so that the image is reversed? This is something that intrigues me. What's the meaning of this ?

 

Additional info: In this conversation with Seo Jin, there is an important keyword that was impossible to guess at that moment of the drama: REGRET.
It's all about Tae Sul regrets. However, we learn later that the main goal of time travelers is not to change the past (many times, dialogues insist that the future cannot be changed), but to be able to correct something that we regret. As an example, the policeman Jung. He cannot change his mother's death, but he can correct his regret by seeing her one last time and being kind to her.

Then, it's just maths !

Photo of Tae Sul Regrets + Time Travel is for fixing Regret = Tae Sul build Time Machine.

 

One last hypothesis: Tae Sul's brother takes these pictures because he knows what's at stake (either because of a timeloop or because another time traveler told him). The brother takes the pictures, and when he goes back in time (scene of the plane crash), he sacrifices himself so that the suitcase will reach Tae Sul. I doubt that he survived, but the drama does not address the fact that his body was not sought after his fall, as is the case with the suitcase.

I don't know for what purpose the brother did that. Warning Tae Sul not build a machine ? Look like "if past can't be changed", it's impossible to prevent that. What is the other goal ?

 

 

1 hour ago, nrllee said:

Really?  I thought it happened a month after the plane crash (the accident)?  Eddy Kim told him to get therapy after he got home from the hospital and not just rely on pills to solve his problems?  And then the scene with SeoJin at therapy was shown.  He asked her to just prescribe him more pills because he didn’t want to talk about his issues (have therapy).  She told him she can’t just give him pills like she did in the past anymore because the company wanted her counseling reports.   

 

I'm a bit lost about this.

The line is confusing, it just say "The accident happened one month ago".

So it could be brother death, or it could be plane accident.

But both have something the same, if brother died during the plane crash.

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4 hours ago, Abanti Farook said:

The leads hv ZERO chemistry

 

I stop to read any comment when I find the world "chemistry" into it...

For me, it's like someone yelling "hey I don't have a brain and I will write really stupid things".

And again, Im not disappointed about that...

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5 hours ago, nrllee said:

Here’s my theory.  Assuming the Lieutenant (who was marking all the lotto tickets) that Jung was talking to at the convenience store is SH’s dad, he’s young.  So SH would be a child at that time or maybe not even born.  Possibly she could actually be the little girl that wrote the letter to TSul when he was in hospital (but their names are different so I don’t know, maybe she’s not born yet).  Saying she wanted to marry him.  So future SH (older version) jumps back in time.  So does older Jung.  So yes there would be 2 versions of them at that intersect (unless SH hasn’t been born yet).  Both the older version of them and the younger version (if they exist).  So when the guy explained the Time Paradox, it means the memories of their future self and their present self get mixed up.  Maybe that’s why SH doesn’t remember how to eat a banana.  She was too young to remember.  Maybe an infant or toddler in 2020.  Jung came back but conveniently his future self was killed.  I don’t know if it means his present young self will absorb some of his memories as a result so he remembers SH and TSul when he gets taken by the CB.

 

 

Eureka!!!

That's why she act weird or like a child ?!!

First thing she say is like that : "PO"

Then, like a child, she think the voice on the phone is Tae Sul.

But... When is she recovering more memory and slowly don't act like a child anymore ?

And what about the wedding dream ? Where this dream come from ?

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@nrllee

 

What I expect to see in Sisyphus, from now...
 

Spoiler

 

 

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9 hours ago, bedifferent said:

I've parked my brain on the side watching this drama but I love when a drama doesn't take itself seriously.

 

Sadly for me, I would have preferred this drama to be serious and dramatic. With only comedy scenes or dialogues that fit in well, without breaking the tone of the story.
Aberrant scenes have a very negative effect on the way I watch the episode.
As soon as a scene of this kind appears, I completely lose immersion and find myself separated from the content. I return to my chair, facing a screen.
A much simpler drama, such as "Train" and without any spectacular effects is thus much more immersive. And yet the episodes are slower and more boring. Knowing that a drama that is too slow can also break the immersion, if you get bored.

 

On 2/26/2021 at 6:13 AM, bedifferent said:

 

The coins are valuable I think because of the metals, more useful in post apocalyptic.   

 

Here, just a little detail about the script, and why I find it quite demanding on some details.
When Seo Hae throws the banknotes away, it makes us feel like this kind of money doesn't make sense anymore, in a completely devastated world.
However, if we consider that people can travel to the past, on the contrary, it is of great use.
But the drama has well organized the sequence of scenes, to show both aspects. And it is only then that the scene with the two soldiers sticking up posters for the Uploader takes place. And this is how Seo Hae learns about time travel. At least, that's how I interpret this scene. If the two events had taken place differently, she would not have thrown the banknotes away.

 

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Otherwise, I just had another idea about the characters.
The blond boy named Sun (banana boy).
I have a feeling we won't see him again in the drama, or at least we won't see him again for a long time. That makes me feel weird. I doubt that the script just used this character as a secondary character just for one or two episodes.
So I expect to see this character come back, and maybe dramatically. What Seo Hae did will have unforeseen consequences, which the viewer will forget because now the drama has gone in another direction. Sun is going to win the lottery because of the numbers Seo Hae gave him. He will become rich. Once he is rich, he will be one of the survivors of the future. Will he go back in time? Moreover, he has been "contaminated", what does that mean?
This subplot has the characteristics of something designed to come back like a boomerang. Inconsistent decision by the heroine, forgotten act, deadly return.

 

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42 minutes ago, taeunfighting said:

I am curious to know how the police officer eventually finds out that he was manipulated by the Control Bureau. He said that he met Tae San. Did Tae San help him realize who are the true bad guys? I also want to know what he means when he told Seo Hae that she must forgive him for what he does to her in order for her to win. If his present self is seeking revenge, could he have killed Seo Hae’s mom?

 

I am confused by the scene of Seo Jin’ emotions when she unfolded the picture of her and Tae Sul. Does she actually have genuine feelings for Tae Sul? I wonder if she is being manipulated by the chairman.

 

 

Some intuitions.

I put that into "spoilers", just in case I see right.

 

Spoiler

 

#1 - Policeman Jung will try to snipe heroes next episode.

But what he really ask forgiving is :

It's him, the guy who shoot Seo Hae during the marriage scene.

 

#2 - Seo Jin.... is... SIGMA boss.

And her main accomplice is the old man of the company, Kim Han Yong.

So, her father.

 

 

Be ready to come back to this post, 6 week later, and put an nice emoji on it. ;-)

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8 hours ago, bedifferent said:

Ohhh, this episode is pure comedy! hahaha

I can’t can’t can’t take the action scenes seriously.  

 

Hold on. Calm down. That thing is huge.  If you shoot it, everyone is going to die. Calm down!

 

This is not the US. Can we not resolve conflicts without guns?!

 

 

 

Stunt on the cable was like... Marry Poppins.

 

About last line: funny to say that in a drama that look like a action-SF american blockbuster.

 

7 hours ago, farawayland said:

The cgi and editing team deserve to be fired!

 

If CGI, it means downloaded people, I think it was great !

But about stunts on the roof.. Ew! Ew! Ew!

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Less than two days before the follow-up, finally the time went by rather quickly.

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Why does Tae Sul have his ex-girlfriend as a psychologist?

 

I'm not a specialist in psychology, but I think the psychologist should be a neutral ground. Someone who has no emotional background for the patient, or for whom the patient has no actual past. Because of possible emotional problems during therapy.
Besides I have read several comments making this criticism (but they were probably not specialists either).
I don't know the answer that a professional could give on this subject, but in any case, as far as the scenario is concerned, there is an obvious answer.

• Tae Sul is using his former girlfriend as a therapist because he can easily get prescriptions for his pills.
• On the other hand, his ex-girlfriend agrees to that, perhaps because she has ulterior motives. Such as belonging to an organization that has hired her to monitor Tae Sul.

 

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7 minutes ago, taeunfighting said:

The message on the wall of Tae Sul’s house was a bit strange. Why did it need to be covered by the artwork? Nothing else seemed out of place to Tae Sul due to the break-in, except he noticed that the artwork (which he had intentionally hung upside down) was hung right-side up. I can’t decide if the person who wrote the message does not want Tae Sul to look for brother or actually wants him to look for him.

 

@nrllee Hi! We have time travelers. Re-do. Loop. I’m getting some 365: Repeat the Year feels all over again!

 

Only Tae Sul could notice the artwork and the pressurized paintcan.

SO, it mean one thing.

......

..... TADAAAAAA......

 

Spoiler

Tae Sul writed the message !!!!

Plot twist!

 

365 was great.

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59 minutes ago, KY L said:

I agree some aspects of the drama that we expected to be rooted in reality come off as unrealistic. I understand the criticism. The editing is a bit off at times and degrades the show as cliche or cartoonish. The plane scene is a ploy to add some excitement and show off Tae Sul's genius. It's weird, but very entertaining. So I don't mind it. The DNA from ash scene is more questionable.

 

Many flaws/unrealistic stuff pointed out a bit everywhere on internet wasn't. A work of debunking was done here. About plane scene, DNA, drone, etc. I suppose some people don't like the drama, and it's legitimate, it's a bit much about action-blockbuster kind of content, and not looking like moderate drama. It's more the way things are shown than things themselves. As an example, the plane scene is more an intelligent one, with a single threat and a path to solve it, using thinking, many logical steps, and stuff looking real. Very good construction and chronology, no detail miss, and some investigation about real content. If you watch James Bond "The Living Daylights", here you get an amazing plane scene too. Of different kind. No much thinking, more unrealistic, but also far more nervous. The scene accumulate 3 different big threats one after the other, then all both. It's crazy, with a climax with a fight in the open air. About a SF drama, I still prefer the "thinking" solution chosen here with solid bases and "make it as spectacular as we can", than the "pure spectacular" one.

 

Nitpicking : sometimes, people need to comfort their opinion and looking for additional reasons, when it's not necessary. And they spot wrong ones, want to get flaws when there isn't. As to say "it's not me not liking the drama", but "it's the drama is bad". Ok, people can do that, but may regret it after that when they understand they are wrong. I know it because I already did this. And it's a bit sad, if they wasted and spoiled a essential drama for themselves because this. If you don't like something... be sure why. ;-)

 

I would rather mention the scene episode 2 : house trap explosion. Hero doing things at the speed of light. This is too much for some people, for good reason. But I accept that because I use to watch a lot of action movie of all kind. Like the James Bond movie I cited. Tropes and explosion are nice, easy to watch. And what to do about the script ? You can't let things happens without the hero trying something ! Image the scene, the hero go out of the house. "Ok, you got me, kill me now.". And what could do the hero trapped in a house, without weapons or ability to use it, with high IQ, otherly than a tech trap ? Let's remove that... People will be unhappy too.

Now, we can propose something else, that I think could be nice : bodyguard rush into the house with the car ! Brooooom, it's spectacular, lot of things destroyed. He save the hero, then, car chase, then hero and bodyguard lose the chase, hero is captured. It's a two blade solution. The bodyguard do all the job. So... This hero is so useless ? Damn-it! People unhappy again. Everywhere on the internet : "the hero is an useless lame and weak character !!" or "Oh, this hero is supposed to be high IQ, and he don't even try something in the house, with all the tech device into it ?". AH AH.

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27 minutes ago, bedifferent said:

You have a point here.  Kim Han Young could be the time traveler from the future, whether he is a legal or illegal immigrant is unclear.  He must have come back for a greater purpose other than to repeat his life again.  He's already an old man in 2020 so it doesn't make sense why he chose to return to this timeline and not earlier.  However, he is around in 2020 as a board member/investor? at the time that Quantum and Time takes off as an IPO.  He's the one to watch!

 

Many new comments poped on packmule blog (bitcshoverdrama), hard to track all and copy-paste.

I do it for this :

We have : Control bureau have several teams. Here team °7.

I suppose other teams work in others times than 2020. Why not ? So we could have : rich man is young in the future. He come back at 1970, then he's old in 2020. But maybe timetravel work only for 2020 ?

 

I spoted that, episode 2 :

40:00, after the result of the DNA test, the psychiatrist and the manager look at each other strangely.
Their expression says "Damn, he's finding out the truth".

Did I watched wrong ?

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4 hours ago, nrllee said:

 

People who have seen these immigrants were killed?  The CoPilot was killed.  Was he killed by the Control Bureau?  He was roughed up when he appeared before TSul’s car.  He seemed to imply that the CB were the ones who did that to him.  Was he roughed up and warned to stay silent?  But he didn’t.  He was going to talk to a reporter.  And that led to his demise.  The guy at the CB who visited the restaurant owner said that anyone who was in contact with them would need to be quarantined.  Eek this film is really hitting home with the pandemic (close contacts are to quarantine ).  Why then did he opt to kill him?

 

 

Well, I found details and writed it on the other blog...

We don't know why they kill him, and want to kill the blond boy (because he made contact with Seo Hae).

They says "he's contaminated". Another times they says about illegals "they are dangerous". Also, "they won't stand without a broker".

I suppose when an illegal have contact with a normal being, this being is contaminated by... what ? I don't know. We will see that later. In any case, the contaminated person become dangerous, and have to be eliminated. I have in mind that Control Bureau are not so bad guys, just official emergency force, have to do bad things for a greater good and keep more people safe. Global security reasons. "it's your wife or the world".

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DNA from ashes

 

Documentation on this can be found very easily on the internet.
It is indeed possible to find DNA in the ashes of a cremated body.
However, it is a difficult process with low chances of success.
The majority of the ashes are unusable because they are the residue of carbonaceous molecules.
On the other hand, some DNA manages to remain in some bones and teeth.
These bones and teeth are reduced to a powder during cremation (the powder being mixed with the rest of the ashes). DNA can be extracted from these samples.

 

As our hero is a genius, I'm sure he have better chance to find it.

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Instead of copy-paste, I made some changes.
So I write it all here.

Read previous message on this forum about first scene of drama, and the high probability than people here are time travel migrants.

 

Time travel/migration thematic.

 

Many elements revolve around this theme.
- The importance of showing a suitcase with slightly cubic proportions, easy to remember. And whose utility/functioning still holds some mystery.
- The fact that heroin and perhaps other people appear in places where we travel: railroads, airplanes.

 

The theme of travel by public means is used at the end of episode 2, when everyone goes to the station to take the train to Busan.
- Some travelers (the heroin) are poor and use a normal train (I can't remember the name of the train, but it's a moderate speed train).
- Others are rich (the hero) and take a fast train (TKX, high speed train).
- The scene emphasizes the two characters separated on a different platform (rich/poor).

 

Maybe this same difference in richness applies to time travel.
- Those who are poor travel/migrate illegally, because populating the past with a lot of people from the future, still, it's not reasonable, even if these people want to escape their bunker! Thank to loto numbers, they will live greatly in the present.
- Those who are rich travel/migrate legally. They are not numerous, so it's ok about statistics, a bit less about morality.
On this fact, I expect to see an antagonist that is:
- A rich man from the future who came to settle legally in the past, at a time before the drama began. Even far before.
- This rich man is part of the hero's environment (perhaps Kim Han Yong, the character played by old actor Jeon Gook Hwan).

 

Problems of Scene #2 of the drama.

 

Scene 2, a very strange scene for 4 reasons :
1 - How does the heroine get on the roof of the train?
2 - Why is she not seen by the drone ?
3 - Whatever happens: once on the roof, she will be spotted after the end of the scene.
4 - She acts weird, looks down on both sides, then relaxes (sure she will never be spotted?).

 

By reflex, we can explain these points as follows:
1 - The climbing of the train is a short ellipse, but it's badly rendered and it's confusing.
2 - The absence of the drone is an inconsistency.
3 - If the heroin is then called, the incoherence of the drone disappears. One can imagine that it gave the information or that the troops saw her on the roof anyway, because she is easily visible, once you stop looking down. We don't know what happens next, and how she escapes if she was called out.
4 - She relaxes because the scene is over, she has managed to hide successfully. The troops don't think to look at the roof of the train and then leave. This adds to the drone's bug. An incoherent solution, but looking to be the right one given the way it is rendered. THE TRAP! Well, I hope it's a trap...

In this case, if I was on the roof of the train, I would be on my stomach without moving. And if I were the director, I would show the troops abandoning the search.

 

All this requires explanations that all point to a flaw or a script error, except solution 3.
Unfortunately, this often happens in dramas, and it has become difficult to trust the writers.
Even the best dramas have some breaking points.

 

Now, if you trust the accuracy of the writing, and admit that there are no flaws in the scene, there must be a reason for what you see, and even the drone is there to support the scene.

 

Important Step of Scene #2.

 

05:30 - When Seo Hae appears, she's not even in a train station, but next to a poor house on the side of the railroad tracks.
Seo Hae's journey is not shown. If we don't know that the drama is about time travel, it is impossible to say that this was all a time travel. To find out, we would have needed a Terminator-type CGI. So here, an important point, I will suppose both there was a time travel, and there is not. In any way, what come next will work the both way, just with a variation.
We suspect that this is the continuation of the previous scene, because Seo Hae is wearing the same white shirt, and she grabs a big pink shirt, just to have a look suitable for a photoshop session, and to strike the minds of the spectators.

In this scene of Seo Hae walking on the railroad tracks, everything is there to remind us of one thing: POVERTY.
It is the poor immigrant woman with her suitcase, a makeshift shirt too big for her, walking barefoot on a low-traffic (almost abandoned) railway track, in the middle of poor people's houses suffering from the noise of a railway.

 

To add to the symbolism, the heroine is so poor that she doesn't even take a train, she walks on the tracks. The scene could have gone on without any events other than walking on the tracks. Yet the scene chooses to show a train passing over the tracks. It induces the meaning of fast travel (rich, on board the train, go directly and fast to destination), and the sensation of slow travel (poor and on foot, long walk, loose time by taking the way you can, not the way you want).

 

The heroine arrives at the drawing station, and it is not by chance that the scene takes place in a marshalling yard.
Then some strange and disturbing armed people appear.
By what chance?
This is the control bureau team: they monitor the border, and the places that illegal people are likely to pass through. The whole scene resembles a patrol around a territorial fence. At night, with surveillance means (drone), projectors. All that is missing are dogs, but instead they have devices to detect radioactivity (or waves of that kind).
Note: People with nuclear radiation die quickly, so it may be strange radiation, not life-threatening, or providing abilities, no idea.

 

Someone rich takes a train that goes straight to its destination.
Someone poor who travels illegally takes a longer route, walk on track and look for a way to pass.
In this journey, there is a connection, "you have to change tracks". Marshalling yard meaning.
One has to go through a discreet place to cross the border, making the trip in two stages, instead of going through the official customs post without being interrupted on the way.
The marshalling yard is a hole in the time fence for illegal travelers.
Here the variant :
- The time travel would not take place in one go, but in two jumps for the illegal ones.
- It happens in one go, in this case this scene does not happen in our time but in the future.

 

Then come the chase, I don't spot this, it's action.

 

Possible Explanation of the end of the scene 2.

 

First think about how the drama shows certain scenes:
The drama shows us a scene of the hero meeting his brother (episode 2, in the cabin), but it's just a hallucination.
Best, it does it 3 minutes later after scene 2, in the plane. The hero meet is brother, and we learn fast than the director traped us, making real an illusion.
Ok guy, so you play dirty like that ? Since when exactly ?

 

When the heroine is on the roof of the train : She looks at the ground, on the right, then on the left, giving the impression to observe the troops.
But... What if she had already escaped, not in space, but in time ?
It is possible that the staging juxtaposes two different realities, and that the heroine and the troops are already separated in different dimensions.
So that explains the heroine's attitude, she looks down right: she sees nothing. We spectator, we see the troops. Because this little joker of a director shows us everything at the same time, with a very well done aerial view, but with a mysterious side.
The heroine looks down on the left, she sees nothing. Then she is relieved, relaxes, and does a photoshop session. Normal, she has just noticed that her time jump has succeeded, and that the Control Bureau troops are no longer there.

 

To sum up:
Phase 1, the pursuit: everyone is in the same time.
Phase 2, the roof of the train: the troops and the heroin are in a different time. Then, this missing drone is really a joke !

 

Of course, I just have to wait next week for all this crumble because I'm wrong again...

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46 minutes ago, nrllee said:

Other notes from Ep1.  The camera panned in on these pamphlets at the initial future terminal where they are teleported back to the past.  Written in many different languages.  Advertising “Uploader”.  Seems to be some sort of service that helps them in their transition back to the past?  Is this what Sung DongIl’s character is part of?  He seems to play the part not dissimilar to a people smuggler.  

 

 

Hi!

Oh !!!

You again ?

 

Youre doing great job with photos and evidence.

Arent you sure you are not hooked too ? ^^

 

We are in bad condition, because now, theories and information are spread everywhere on the internet!!

What to do ? Copy-paste texts ?

 

Im going in teasing mode :

Ive maybe (yeah, I will always write maybe everytimes, lol) solved the case of Scene #2 of the drama, so there is no inconsistencies like missing drone, or doing weird thing like relax and modeling while you are surrounded by 30 guys with big guns.

All the thing is made to trap us, but alert us "hey guys, stop watching Park shin-hye legs, something wrong happens here, try to find what, connect your brain now, you will need it for the whole drama, ah ah". hum hum, I don't really know, but it's just fun to say that.

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Looking back at episode 1 (first scene) and relating it to the Control Office dialogues, it gives me the following plot:
- The Bureau of Control really deals with immigration. But not immigration from one place to another, but from one time to another.
- The people we see in the first scene come from a devastated and radioactive future. They themselves are carriers of radioactivity. This is how they are detected by the controllers.
- These people have a suitcase that can withstand time travel, and they are allowed some personal belongings (but no animals).

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40 minutes ago, nrllee said:

But @wenchanteur when you look at that scene, air is blowing into the cabin.  Nothing is getting sucked out.  When that hole was created, everything should’ve just gushed out exactly what you are describing now with the fix.  

This drama is pre-produced. So if the writer had all that time, they should’ve gotten details like that correct.  Especially if they are trying to sell us the idea that TaeSul is some MacGyver like character and knows his science.  So if you want me to believe that he knows his stuff, then make sure all the details about the stuff happening around him are scientifically verifiable.  I don’t expect them to get everything right but details like this is just careless.  
 

 Is it parallel universes?  Does he have a doppelgänger in another time line who married SeoHae?  

 

Please... NO doopleganger!

It could still happens if someone encounter his younger self (if it's possible, it depends on how work time travel here).

 

At most, in the cabin, we see wind and paper in the wind. It's maybe more a directing stuff.

I watched BTS of the scene, and it look very difficult to masterize air draught here.

What can you do but put a fan ?

 

I made errors last time I described action scene on the roof on packmule blog.

In fact, it's explainable why Control bureau team don't rush heroin or shoot directly. They don't want to kill her. So what I thinked was weird in the scene maybe wasnt.

I will rewatch the episodes, and for this time, not because I need too, but also, because it's enjoying.

 

Only thing that bother me now is this drone during scene #2.

Except the drone is a friend of Seo Hae, it's to weird it suddenly not here when she's on the roof.

But the drone don't look a friend, she look worried when she look at it first.

And all is made to think it's organization drone (probably control bureau).

 

1 hour ago, bedifferent said:

The plane crash is pivotal in the plot.  It forced Tae Sul to reexamine his own guilt over Tae San's death and deal with his emotions honestly instead of just covering the pain with medications or simply denying them.

 

Yes, it trigger many things, it's impossible to do without that. It trigger also Seo Hae watching TV, learn about the crash and Tae Seul on board, then her quantum sizzle, then probably why she want find him, even if her father say don't.

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On 2/19/2021 at 6:51 AM, pompyavi said:

The plot lacks something but I don't know what ?? I think many noticed that the plane crashing scene was overdone. Simple things were neglected like contacting the control tower. The simple things stand out the most.

It happens to the plot that you are not paying enough attention to the plot!

 

Radio call to the control tower.

 

16:00 - the pilot tries to call the control tower "mayday mayday", no answer.
19:00 - the pilot tries to call again, without success.
19:08 - pilot says "Electrical system failure!"
I understand in this scene that the radio does not work because it depends on the electrical system. Or the pilot receives the messages in his helmet, but in this case the director would certainly play these messages, and the pilot would answer them.
19:48 - Tae Seul says to the pilot: "The power's out only for the control panel."
I don't know if the translation is correct. That part is pretty fuzzy. It's hard to know what works or doesn't work in this situation.
You see a panel going off, I guess the physical controls are working, but not the control systems that depend on the power supply, nor the radio. Tae Seul has 3 minutes and 30 seconds to fix all this before the crash, because the pilot can't steer the aircraft without the indications of the control systems.

 

Then Tae Sul is low enough altitude to receive phone calls. He asked Eddie Kim by phone to contact the control tower. Confirming that it is impossible to contact it from the plane.

 

On the realism of the dramas.

 

One thing amuses me: all the dramas are crazy unrealistics and start with an unreal starting situation. And even a lot of action films. Suddenly, I see a lot of comments all over the place pointing at that drama and accusing it of being unrealistic. Why is that? But basically, it's good like that, because it's a science fiction story. And a science fiction story is better, if there's enough science in it.

 

So I'm going to take the example of this airplane scene to show that, on the contrary, the script does everything to make it acceptable, where a majority of films, dramas or series wouldn't have produced even a tenth of this effort.

The aim of the scene: to begin the drama with an extremely spectacular event, connected to the main plot by a striking fact (a man and a suitcase in the sky), while presenting the hero's universe (the people in his company).
The other important elements : of course, it is not to waste time with control tower dialogues or to show all the details of the landing. On the other hand, Tae Seul's dialogue on the phone is not only justified for a comical reason (the hero being able to do everything at once in an emergency situation), but is also justified because he has to dictate his will. He thinks that he has a chance of not surviving. It is also a way to show the personality of the hero (ability to concentrate, calm, ready to contemplate death, no feeling of invulnerability or overconfidence, and very responsible, so that his death leaves a legacy to the living).
Goal of bearable realism: Like any over-the-top action movie scene, the goal of realism is not to show that it's done in the way of a documentary. However, there are good films in this genre, such as the true story of Appolo 13. But it's much less spectacular, and it takes a whole film to show that. Otherwise, it's just as exciting!
The goal of realism here is to provide enough guidance to the viewer, so that they are ready to believe in it in the context of an action movie. The sense of detail, explanations, and visuals make it more believable than it is.

 

I'm willing to believe that the writers might have forgotten something, because in reality it's very easy to forget something on a 16-hour script with a high density like this one. Besides, some people voluntarily "forget" something. They know it, but they don't talk about it because it would slow down the action. But here, they choose to take a little time, rather than go into shortcuts like those in movies.

 

Sustainable realism of the airplane scene.

 

16:53: General panic, the plane is out of control. The hero is with the passengers. He grabs his suitcase! Rather strange attitude at this moment. We don't know why, and besides, he is half knocked down with it. (which gives rise to a dream-flashback).

 

17:30: the hero takes a kit! The kit was attached to his suitcase. We will then see that it holds several things, including big scotch tape. Then the hero goes to the cockpit. This means one thing: from the beginning of the accident, he guesses a kind of collision, and a puncture problem. For an engineer, it's nothing extraordinary that he has a bit of this kind of material among his luggage.

 

17:45: the hero enters the cockpit. If I had to point out one unrealistic detail, it's this one. The cockpits are secured and locked for safety reasons. EXCEPT THAT!! It was a joke...
Back to 16:20: the pilot presses the button to open the cockpit door with the elbow !!! Either by accident or intentionally because the cockpit is depressurized at high speed. In order not to die from depressurization in an enclosed space, the door must be opened, and the depressurization disperses further, at a sustainable rate.
Back to 16:27: the depressurization reaches the passenger area, so the hero has even more reason to guess that it is a puncture, and that it comes from the cockpit. Then he will act accordingly and take his kit with the tape and go into the cockpit.

 

17:50: the hero enters the cockpit. He DOES NOT FORGET to close the cabin door! So that the pressure returns to normal among the passengers.
Therefore, he will then use OXYGEN MASKS in the cockpit until the pressure is balanced!
He checks the poul of the first pilot! He does not forget the gesture of first aid.

 

18:10 : The hero puts an oxygen mask on the pilot and shakes it to wake him up.  He starts by taking care of the pilot. It is essential, the hero probably does not know how to fly, even if he knows how to repair a plane. This shows here a general trait certainly used for the whole drama. The FL is the action character, the ML the thinking character. So, repairing a plane yes (thinking), flying it no ( action). This highlights a hero who is not all-powerful and who cant do everything, but who is limited to his areas of expertise.
Then, the hero also uses an oxygen mask.

 

18:20: The hero asks the pilot what's going on, the pilot shows him the hole in the cockpit. The hero immediately pulls out his scotch tape, because that's what he was expecting. I don't know the exact meaning of the dialogue: either the hole is difficult to see, or the hero was asking for more information, or it's to help the spectator follow the action.

 

18:55: the hero uses a transparent notepad plate, the kind used under the flight order sheets. The utensil is credible in context.

 

19:00: The hero states that pilots used this trick to plug holes during the war. I find it hard to believe that this anecdote is pure invention. I did some research without being able to find it on the internet: it is likely that the scriptwriters had technical assistance from an aviation expert, be it for problems of depressurization, closed cockpit, electronic devices, or this anecdote.
In any case, this repair is based on logical and concrete physics. Air is sucked in from the inside to the outside. Therefore, the plate used to seal the breach will automatically stick itself on it. All that remains to be done is to ensure its stability with tape and to tape the leaks on the sides of the plate. What we see in the drama.

 

20:35: The electrical system of the control panel needs to be repaired! The hero takes an object out of his bag to unscrew a plate between the two pilots. At first I thought it was a screwdriver. No! Just not. The scenario doesn't use a magical process with the perfect tools at hand. It's another object, vaguely resembling a hardware carrier.
Note: often in action movies, the hero has nothing and arrives with his hands in his pockets, resulting in unrealistic things. Here, all the objects used have a logical reason to be there! Moreover, it shows a hero who is not superhuman, capable of anything and everything, he uses tools, and uses the means on board to turn an object into a tool if necessary. Moreover, he manages the crisis in the same way as a first-aider applies first aid. He is directive with the pilot, giving precise and formal instructions, without panicking or generating panic. This is what first aiders do.

 

20:50: the hero needs a magnet, that's why he unscrews the central panel. Here, we are either in real science (thanks to expert advice), or in "magic science" as it is often used in action movies when it comes to nebulous technical problems (which nobody knows anyway except the experts), or we are in real science (expert advice) but biased for the needs of the script (which Christopher Nolan did in Interstellar).

 

27:50 : In this kind of scene, you need a climax, the dramatic objective takes precedence over the rest. Something simple and visually striking. Music and trumpets! The hero only needs to join two electrodes by making sparks, while the plane is about to crash into buildings. Luminous flash, end of the scene. Seeing all the landing that follows was probably not useful. Everything we saw of the hero's personality that we needed to see was seen, there is no point in wasting time on a purely factual transition that is meaningless for the narrative.

 

Conclusion.

 

Like all of you, I have read 100 comments deploring the lack of realism of this scene. And I don't know the motivation behind this complaint, when it's about a drama like the others, except of higher quality, movie one (directing, plot, etc).
However, the fact that 100 people say the same thing at the same time does not make it a truth.
So, here is 1 comment, by which I think there is a spectacular action scene prepared with an incredible care, a great sense of detail, a respect of credulity, which uses directly the main plot (man and suitcase in the sky), which develops in a minimum of time (less than 5 minutes!) the personality and the environment of the hero, and which arrives just at the beginning of the drama to hit very hard.
Personally, I would put this into a guide: how to write a very good action scene, or how to start a drama.
I read a commentary that said it makes you feel smarter watching this drama. Yes, I do feel smarter after this decoding work, I learned something about the art of establishing a chronology of coherent sequences with meticulousness.

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I Try to read some comments here, but I feel like a red fish trying to escape from sharks.

Sharks are Spoilers !

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I am overwhelmed by the number of mysteries and details hidden in all the scenes!
And I'm already half wrong about the assumptions I made before...

You can see on the BTS all the sensuality of Park Shin Hye on the roof of the train. I don't know why she relaxes like that and whether she will travel back in time afterwards, but in any case, this scene was visually very good. One more cult scene to add to this drama.

 

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3 hours ago, ilovenico said:

It’s so nice to see our fav CSW play a character so different from the Stranger and Life characters. And I love it even more that Tae In Ho is playing his trusty aide in this drama - wonder if these two actors are also close in real life. 
 

I am puzzled- can anyone tell me why PSH character went to look for CSW when her dad told her specifically not to? Just too strange for her to go against what her dad told her to.

 

I just copy paste what I said to another people asking the same question on another website :

 

Spoiler

What I remember, she only try to contact Taeseul after an anomaly. She watch TV (around 51:30 minute), and learn about the plane crash and Tea Seul was on the plane. Look like she's worried. As she know loto numbers, she probably know others informations about present day, and this crash wasn't expected. (I even suspect she not only know loto numbers but this specific info flash, or the encounter with young guy of restaurant isnt random, but not sure). Not only that, but she sizzle. I guess an energy interference with another time travel energy device from another suitcase, Taeseul brother one. Not sure about what mean this brief disparition more, maybe the energy cell not only is used for time travelling, but also to keep you in the past time, so when she sizzle, it's like she briefly half go back to the future. (Here I suppose the sizzle happens now and not before because it's the moment she get the info. it's like quantum physic experience, like Bell's one, Alain aspect, intrication. Nature/path of wave/particules is defined when you measure it. It's like the moment when you get information and measure it change what was before. So here, it doesnt matter the other suitcase was already here, the energy interference happens only when information is get).

Additional note : knowing loto number is a good way to make easy and quick cash, then etablish a campment if you go back in time. So, we can suppose some organization about that, for people who's mission is to go back in time. First scene, look like an organization of this kind.

After the sizzle, she pass out. But first thing she do when she wake up, she open her suitcase. I wondered why she do that already, and I don't understand yet why she do that when the young guy can watch her, maybe she don't care it's not important in the context. Now I think she do this because it's an emergency, she need to check something, and she look at the energy cells. Something wrong maybe, because she look woried again. She eat a banana but look absent while that and do not participate to the dialog with the young guy. She's thinking about what decision she should take. And maybe put in balance if she should or not contact Teasul. Then she decide to contact Tae Seul. So the decision to contact him is because there is an higher danger than to not contact him. The danger is he's about to open the suitcase There is a line about this later in the episode, (1:07:30) when she leave a message to the client service, she say "don't open the suitcase, if you do it, we are all condemned" . If you look at the trailer, who know ? When he open the suitcase, maybe it will be apocalypse ?