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  1. 8 hours ago, africandramalover said:

    Ji An and DH's relationship. We have defined this relationship as so transcendental, so wonderful that it doesn't fit the human definition of relationships. JA and DH have some so special....... but we conveniently forget that this relationship is built on fraud and crime. Their effortless and deep bond is built on quicksand. I don't know about you, but if I am lonely for whatever reason, then I form a relationship with someone who seems to get who I am, we bond a little more when they help me out of a sticky situation and I do the same, then I find out that this person was WIRETAPPING ME! WORLD WAR THREE!! I would be mad, furious, hurt, embarrassed, and feel SO BETRAYED, I wonder if I would ever go back to that person. Not unless I give myself some time and space to recover from the betrayal. Even then, I will never trust them completely. Even if Ji An has come to care for DH for real, doesn't change the fact that she manipulated their relationship. I am waiting to see how the writer handles this revelation. Will DH the sacrificing saint gloss over how JA got to know him, or will he get as mad as he got with YH?

     

    Jian should be held accountable for her part of the manipulation. From the very beginning, her plan was to destroy PDH and get him fired. I think there will be a fall out or even a big fight with DH.  However, we must all admit that the same wiretapping skill also paved the way for Dong Hoon getting saved by Jian multiple times against JYD and even from his own wife. Although it is completely wrong, the wiretapping also have some benefits in terms of keeping Park Dong Hoon safe from his enemies. So in a way it served its purpose when needed and established the loyalty of Jian towards him. 

     

    I have to disagree that Jian manipulated the relationship they have together now.  It is clear how much she has fallen for him and although it didn't start that way but her loyalty for Dong Hoon is solid. She didn't need to spend all this time with him.. If she goes according to her plan,  Jian could have just drug the guy and set him up to get  fired. Jian didn't do that instead she would rather betray JYD with the help of YH. Not surprising our heroine is not a saint but I love her anyway with warts and all. DH's attraction for Jian has always been there.. the constant gawking is a complete give away:lol:.. so it will be really interesting how is he going to react with that information of Jian's spy tricks.. will he get mad and cut all ties with her? or DH won't care because when it comes to Jian, he will always wait and believe her feelings for him were true. 

     

    8 hours ago, akhenaten said:

    Realistically, there's too much baggage surrounding them right now.  Dong Hoon has a lot of problems to address in his personal and professional life.  He needs to make peace with himself first and make all the decisions that need to be made before he can properly move on.  As for Ji An, she needs to be able to live a normal life, which she never had growing up.  Regardless of how resilient she is, she is still a traumatized individual and needs to learn to trust the world again.  If they end up in a relationship at this point in their lives, it may not survive.  Like I mentioned previously, the nature of their relationship right now is such that it can only survive within the confines of their own private world, mainly because it's something so unusual and deep and all-encompassing that a lot of people won't understand what it is.  It will more likely be condemned or labeled negatively because such is the nature of people:  what they cannot grasp or comprehend, they will shun away from or label as something bad.  (Strangely enough, this I think is exactly what's happening with this drama.  Some viewers give it flak for the age gap of LSK and IU and say that the idea of them having an onscreen relationship is gross, as if the difference in ages were something highly immoral.)  There is also the issue of it having developed under strange and dubious circumstances.  As many have pointed out,  Ji An wouldn't have gotten to know Dong Hoon on such a deep level if she hadn't been listening in on him.  Perhaps they would have still formed a connection over meals and walks home, but she never would have known how much he's going through.  Dong Hoon is such a private person that not even his mother, wife and brothers know his pains and struggles.  He's so emotionally controlled.  They can only surmise based on gut feel if there's something wrong with him but even they are unable to confront him.  Isn't that why he and Yoon Hee became estranged?    

     

    In this case, I think a time lapse would be a good plot device.  For one, when the time comes that Ji An needs to come clean about her spying on Dong Hoon, there will be a falling out.  Dong Hoon will be deeply hurt, I'm sure, more so because of their deep emotional connection to each other.  Both of them will need time to recover from that.  Another thing is that Ji An needs time to fully grow up, be herself and become what she's supposed to be.  And Dong Hoon needs to get back the man that he once was, before all this happened.  And those things can't happen overnight.  If they meet again after a few years, they would have both been healed and would truly be able to greet each other and smile at each other warmly and openly, without fear of recrimination or judgment from anyone.  They won't need to hide what's between them anymore.  And if what they have now is something true and lasting, it will endure their separation.    

     

    This is not the right time for DH and Jian. A time lapse or a separation is necessary. And I agree with you 100% there is so much baggage that needs to be dealt with before even focusing on their feelings.  If the writer/PD combo does not want to pursue a romance but a healing drama then @noor1 is right to just leave everything as is. Keep the love confession unrequited and let Jian move on to better things, DH stays with his wife or divorce her whatever makes him happy, and same with the other characters. It also not fair that this show is giving mixed signals of what is the real relationship of DH and Jian. As I said before, if they are not going to pursue this love angle then just kill the story line and don't keep dragging it on until the end then give us a vanilla "safe" ending :rolleyes:

     

    MA suffered so much unnecessary double standard mainly from immature kpop fans and k drama feminazis. I think 10 pages of this thread was dedicated on this topic on how unfair this drama was treated. But luckily, the show is thriving and ratings are good so I guess the viewers are liking the possible romance angle of Jian and DH which is really a  big slap for people who wanted this show to fail from the very beginning.

     

    My opinion has not change regarding the ending .. it is still all or nothing. I also don't like an open ending either that is a big sign that this production caved in to the pressure by giving an acceptable conclusion to keep the judgmental knetz/ feminazis happy and avoid controversies. The purpose of this drama is to provoke the audience and not make it comfortable.  If this PD is not courageous enough to defy social conventions, then end it like a healing drama and don't stir the pot by having your male lead still longs and yearns for Jian despite the wiretapping revelation next week. If DH feelings will overcome the mistakes of Jian, then I guess this is true love after all. 

     

    If KWS and writer Park intended MA as an age gap romance, then they should conclude the drama with courage by showing DH fighting for Jian and making a decision to love her against all the odds and judgments. Isn't that what the drama is all about? the constant battle between internal and external forces. The solid internal force can withstand various heavy external forces as long as the  foundation within is strong. Age gap should not be a barrier for two people who truly loved each other. If love is worth fighting for then so be it especially if two people like DH and Jian decides to fall in love and be together. I know.. I know.. Jian is young and needs schooling etc.. but don't people just fall in love first then figure out the logistics later? They are both very smart and kind people, I am sure DH and Jian will be supportive of each other's personal goals. 

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  2. 1 hour ago, MsMinnieFran said:

    YH's betrayal was made worse by how long it lasted, who she did it with, and things she was plotting with JY during that time. I am sure it wouldn't have hurt as much if it was some random dude out on the street. JY was his boss at work, his junior in school, who he hated. Do the math. Ultimately, she made a huuuge mistake, she is sorry for it now, good for her. But i don't need to feel sorry for her do i? I wish her well, i hope she finds happiness in the future. I just don't think she can find it with DH. Why should they continue to make each other miserable?

     

    JYD also belittles DH at work and demotes him. So yes, the guy feels like crap and cannot quit his job because of the pressure from his family. DH has been getting it on both ends pretty much. He will always be reminded on how his wife was screwing the guy who stomped on his worth as a professional and as a man. No wonder he wanted to die, any person could not take that much disrespect. And I agree with you,  if YH had an affair with another person unrelated to their circle of friends then probably the pain would be less.

     

    I am just neutral when it comes to the character of YH. I don't hate her but just feel sad for her choices that a woman can resort to this type of disregard for her husband. Seriously girl that's why the word divorce is invented. Currently, she is like a scorned woman trying to get a revenge not to protect DH but because JYD dumped her. I feel it is more of an ego issue and she wants to win this fight by ruining her former lover. It also does not diminished the fact that she shared a home with another man for a year while being married to DH. I don't really care if Dong Hoon will end up alone as long as he divorces that woman. 

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  3. 14 hours ago, akhenaten said:

    you mentioned something in your other post about how straight Dong Hoon is about relationships and that he would never have a sexual relationship with a woman unless he's married to her.  I think it speaks of his amazing self-control.  Maybe that's why the situation of Ji An is confusing and threatening to him because his feelings for her are all over the place.  He can't control his desire to want to see her all the time.  He looks for her when she's not around.  Even when he's with his friends and family, she's always on his mind. He can't even ignore her even if he wanted to.  And he actually beat up a guy in rage because of her.  He actually lost control.  Which is why I can't wait to see the moment when he finally decides to confront their situation.  He's already confronted one of the most glaring of his "elephants in the room":  the issue of his failed marriage and the affair of Yoon Hee and Joon Young.  Eventually, he'll have to deal with this "non-relationship" relationship he has with Ji An because it won't be fair to her if he pretends nothing's going on.  

     

    If we think about it, YH is a safer choice for Dong Hoon right now. He could just live in his comfort zone without even having to feel emotions of losing control and confusion. Especially YH owes him a great deal because of the affair.  I won't be surprised if he chooses to be with her and take the path of least resistance. He has been doing that all his life. 

     

    It will be interesting to see DH after Jian will disappear from his life. Let us see if that will test his limits to the core. He was very angry with just a mere slipper being thrown away by her. I couldn't imagine that man having to deal with her completely gone when she already confessed her feelings for him. Will he even care about the revelation that Jian was working with JYD? or will he just be angry at Jian for leaving him? Either way, I am expecting another big explosive argument. gosh! I hope they don't kill each other :lol: 

     

     

     

     

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  4. 3 hours ago, berny said:

     

    This "connection" that is so intense but seems so hard to explain... well hahha i have consulted a friend who's very much into Kdrama and OTP analysis, i cannot not ask her opinion on this one...

     

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    Disclaimer first hahha : okey this is NOT to ship LSK & IU in real life, because that is just IMPOSSIBLE!!! Hahha.

    They just give me this Gregory Peck- Audrey Hepburn feels (who have became best friends for life after doing the movie Roman Holiday). 

     

    Anyway as they say for an onscreen couple to click they shoud have a certain connection behind the camera.  There are some who have this such simmering, fiery chemistry compared to others and we wonder why? 

    And this friend of mine who loves to analyze this between OTPs has literally an out of this world analysis... it is in the heavens she says hahha... She has been studying birthcharts (the sun, moon, planets placements in astrology) for years.  And according to her the synastry of LSK & IU birthchart strongly (ultimate being the high scores) indicates "soulmates".  And most pairing she says gets high score on either being soulmates or high score on "strong physical attraction"   guess what hahha, LSK-IU gets high scores on both, wow! And this is what got me, she says "those who will witness such unions will be drawn in as well like an addiction"... 

    Hahha , well not many might believe such things about astrology,  but if there's any truth to that it might then be that once, in  another lifetime LSK & IU were soulmates indeed.

     

     

     

     

    Thank you @berny for this OTP explanation. And I agree about that. There is always something poetic about IU and LSG like a rhyme that just makes sense. No wonder their chemistry is so addicting on screen after reading your friend's theory.. It shows because MA ratings are beating other public broadcast dramas. The last time I was invested on chemistry with a        k-drama couple was with Jo In Sung and Ha Ji Won in What Happened In Bali. I never thought I will find another drama couple with the same intense chemistry. I was skeptical at first about the pairing of IU and LSG but omg the sparks are everywhere. I guess you will never know the potential between a pairing until they are on screen. Whoever casted IU and LSG together should really get a raise from TVN. 

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  5. 6 hours ago, noor1 said:

     

    Just thinking out loud, what if their 'feelings' are just an itch that both need to scratch? You know, it's been said time and again on the show how great, moralistic, upstanding guy DH is and she of course is a wild untamed person - what if he goes rogue - as in sleeps with Ji-An, who would willingly give in. So he gets to 'live' out a temptation or a grand passion and she gets to be with the guy who does not want to be with her openly in society in that way. And then they go their separate ways, having made each other feel good in all possible manners?!

     

    (I know, I know, they are both very serious people, but the show is unpredictable.)

     

     

    Are they really open people though?  DH and Jian are loners for the most part. They like to be in their own world when together. That acceptance of society never bothered Jian in the first place. It just depends on individual's perspective but as long as this couple decides to be committed to each other then the what if scenarios are something that will be left to the imagination in this show. We only have 4 episodes to go.. Jian already knows what she wants and I am glad for episode 12 .. but although she in love with him, it didn't make her lose respect and common decency that in fact DH is married with YH. She is just happy to be able to openly express her love with DH without expectations.  In upcoming episodes, she will leave her ajusshi because it's the right thing to do and the best thing that she can give him is space and time.

     

    As you said DH is moralistic and upstanding man, he is not the type that will fall just because of an itch even JH was mentioning nothing happened even if you go sleep in the same room with him. He will not make a move unless his feelings are certain which can be frustrating at times but very consistent with his character. This PD/writer combo really stressed that stern characteristics of DH in numerous occasions. The guy is so straight that I don't think he will even touch a woman sexually unless after marriage will occur. So I can't imagine him "going at it" with Jian unless he is committed to her and vice versa. I am done rationalizing this character's pattern of behaviors. It does not matter anymore whether I am wrong and will go down with the ship. If you look at the full picture from episode 1 until now, DH's actions is of a man in love with Jian. It is not just about his kindness but also the way he longs for her all the time.  He is in a crossroad of whether to stay in his marriage and continue to live with YH despite the death sentence OR have the the courage to overcome his fear of falling for the unknown (Jian) and willingly fight for his happiness despite the difficulties he might be facing because of that decision. Let's see if this ajusshi is willing to take a risk or he will keep on living the same way for the rest of his life. The choice is up to him. 

     

     In a realistic sense, is there really 100% guarantee when it comes to love and relationships? unless we have a crystal ball and can see the future. Couples get together for many different reasons it maybe passion, craziness,  pain, attraction.. etc  Sometimes people that looks perfect for each other (same background, education) also don't make it because love between them fizzles out or same goes with couples that look completely wrong for one another but are still together for some weird reason... The mysteries of the human heart. Despite the odds, some people still willingly take the risk when it comes to love because it's better to be wrong than living life full of regrets.

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  6. 6 hours ago, noor1 said:

    I think the writer / director tested the waters in the beginning to see whether viewers would accept an indefinable age-based relationship where the young woman is the aggressor and older guy is the passive gentle soul, and are moving towards a happier resolution. There was no need to show all the glances if DH is to be left alone at the subway or roadside or bar forever! The poor guy was alone in the beginning too! 

     

    OR they were meant to meet, heal and leave with nothing but gratitude and happy memories. Which is a whole lot of bull, if you ask me! That would have made sense only if DH's demeanor hadn't changed towards Ji-An. I hope the coming episodes show him doing something other than just reacting to things thrown at him! 

     

    And it better end well!

     

    I am glad you are commenting on the script progression and the intensifying relationship from episode to episode. How can we keep on denying things that our eyes are seeing? In fact, I refuse to call it delulu anymore the minute Jian confessed her feelings. The script has been consistent since the first synopsis that was released back in October about Jian falling for Park Dong Hoon. Fast forward episode 12, we did get the confession from Jian. So it gives me hope that the writer/PD didn't cave in to the pressure of the controversy,  followed the path the way the story needs to be told, and not be bothered by immature fans. Lee Jieun (IU) said no romance in a vlive interview , she was referring to a question regarding the Gwang Il story angle which had been the source of the dating violence controversy. That story has been consistent from the beginning with no inkling of hope but surprisingly it also had elements of unrequited love. 

     

    I wasn't a shipper in the beginning. I wanted to enjoy this drama and stay the hell away from the cheesy backhugs but dafuq (excuse my french) how long do I need to keep on rationalizing the "no romance angle" when the female lead is already confessing her feelings:huh:? If everyone just drop their age gap judgment and not based their rationalization solely coz of press conferences, they will see the story of two unlikely people falling hard for each other despite their different social backgrounds, age gap, and status in life. The script quite honestly has been progressing in a linear fashion and does not backtrack on the love angle of DH and Jian. And yes chingu, DH is head over heels in love with her. He is petrified because likely this the first time he experienced such intense feelings for someone. After episode 12,    I am done rationalizing those angry outbursts, restlessness while waiting for her, and nervous hovering that DH doing it coz he cares for her only as a friend. Ahhh you mean care like carebears?:lol:.   @sadiesmith is right at this point we don't know who is suffering from delusions, the shippers vs the deniers of age gap romance:rolleyes:. So far, 80% of the drama is going the shippers way, it does not matter now how this ends but at least they were in love and not because the shippers were reading it all wrong. The signs are all there only if the deniers can be open minded and look at the story as a whole.

     

    6 hours ago, arctichare said:

    honestly laughed a little bit during the subway scene when DH was acting all tough.

     

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    He was being so extra. What was he gonna do? Fight that guy on the train? Not to mention Ji An didn't even need any protection during that scene (or ever really, she can take care of herself).

     

    Also the train was practically empty...I'm pretty sure there's a lot of space to stand Dong Hoon.

     

    :lol: I was cracking up too. DH acting all manly. Jian normally does not allow anyone to be that close to her.. They are like yin yang.. when she goes, he follows and vice versa. That has become their thing for a while now. With DH and Jian, It is their pattern of behaviors that really give away their feelings for one another. 

     

     

    5 hours ago, berny said:

    I also think this is a breakthrough drama, it's epic. 

    This unlikely pairing, LSK & IU, really surprised me with their over the charts chemistry. They have this connection that is mesmerizing, that draws you in and wants to see more, and more of them.

     

    I really commend the production of this drama. Most of the scenes, the scenarios.. the feels and emotions are just so real like those you see in indie films, the stark reality.

     

    I hope the other drama productions gets inspirations from MA, and make it their benchmark.

     

    I was not expecting much chemistry because they didn't look like they have it in the beginning. But the first train scene where they were completely neck to neck, there was so much tension between IU and LSG that it could snap the train pole any minute. There is something intense and familiar about their screen presence together that is hard to explain.. The peak of their chemistry was their argument at the end of episode 10.. it was crazy intense! I didn't know whether they were going to kiss passionately or kill each other. That was PD Kim pushing the limits of the chemistry between IU and LSG. I bet he will do that again in the remaining 4 episodes.  

     

    5 hours ago, snowdragon09 said:

    Something inside me is growing...I can't even explain what it is. I WANT THEM TO TOUCH EACH OTHER BADLY. PLEASE..JUST A HUG WILL DO. MORE THAN A HUG WILL BE GLADLY ACCEPTED.

    She is a perfectly mature woman and he is a manly man. What ? Age ? I'll bring it to the hell with me.

    The longing, the stare, the waiting, the intensity, the smile, what more do you need pd-nim ? Have you invented a new way to torture me ?

     

    P.s. if someone knows a fanfic of them, please notify me. Your help will definitely save me from going crazy

     

     

    Yes! I heard that the PD purposefully censored the script to make it appear less sensual.. I guess that's his way of reeling in us viewers to be smitten and keep on coming back for more.. The DH longing scenes is what kills me and the way he secretly waits for Jian on a cold weather so that he can just have a brief moment of small talks with her. The way he gets frustrated when she blatantly ignores him after the long wait. Just maddening in my opinion.

     

     If they will be endgame, I wish the PD has the courage to show a simple gesture of a light kiss between Jian and DH. Their age gap is nothing to be ashamed of particularly if both are consenting adults. Age does not matter if love happens at a right place, right time, and with the right person. 

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    Finally had some time to finish episode 11- 12:).. ok so when this crazy PD/writer combo say no romance.. no love line... then why the hell is the female lead confessed feelings of longing and intense like for our male lead! :o This is not platonic anymore. Jian is hopelessly in love with Dong Hoon. It is unrequited love but nonetheless a love line. The good part about this episode she freely states her feelings now without any hesitations. Love is such a beautiful thing when expressed fully. It is quite rare when the female is the one sure about her feelings because usually it's the other way around in k dramas. The endearing part about Jian's love is she is not expecting anything in return from Dong Hoon. The love is one sided because it needs to be at this moment. DH is at a difficult crossroad in his life so everything needs to take a back seat and space. I must say my heart is fluttering in that train scene because it is really giving me the serious oppa vibes:wub: Jian is so intense every time she stares at Dong Hoon that I am having a mad girl crush alert with her fitted jeans, tucked in denim shirt, and converse sneakers. Jian oppa why are you so damn cool?:lol:

     

    The DH waiting for Jian saga still continues into episode 12. He showed up again at Jung Hee's bar not caring whether his brothers were there. Waiting outside with bunch of his friends while staring anxiously on both intersections waiting for Jian to pop up in the alley. This is not normal chingu behavior. How many more of these scenes do we need before we can say that this man is in love? DH has been consistently waiting for Jian since the end of episode 7 up to the recent episode only this time he gets more vocal and angry when Jian ignores him. @mujay mentioned a couple of pages back that for DH it seemed he could bear the pain and weight of his problems as long as Jian would be there taking a walk, sharing a train ride, or drinking a beer with him at the end of each day. Those simple mundane things they do together has been the highlight of DH's existence and a form of survival into his suffering. 

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  8. I wonder whatever happen to direct simple words? DH should learn that way of explaining things. "Jian I only see you as a friend, as a dongsaeng, as a daughter (double puke!), so let's just stay in each other's lives". DH spewing so many nonsensical words and rationalization of why she needs to stay until her contract ends. He even thinks 20 years later far ahead and funerals as if Jian will ever stay in that neighborhood forever with him. Come on man!:lol:

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  9. Thank you @chickfactor for the translation.

     

    So DH was still waiting for Jian at the bar. This time around he was more restless and looking by the door not listening to his brothers. He did his usual cigarette excuse and wait for her outside. (so please tell me WTH is wrong with this picture? another food for the shipper)

     

    The slipper scene: he wants her to get over it. he won't fire her. he is not the type to let go of people and will continue to greet her warmly even after 20 years from now. he ask her to go buy some slippers:huh: .. wait, did he just accept her feelings?

     

    I agree with @ninaanin DH is a little schizophrenic in this episode but I can excuse it for now coz of what's going on with his wife. But seriously dude, let Jian go if you have no plans of returning her feelings. It just doesn't make sense that you are holding on to her just because of pleasantries. Jian obviously does not want to stick around either because she fell in love. 

     

     PDnim stop being psychotic either and keep on feeding viewers with this longing DH restlessly waiting for Jian in two intersection shots which give us the inkling that no matter which direction, he will always choose to wait for Jian. Don't pursue this angle, if you are not going to be brave enough to have DH and Jian as endgame. 

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  10. 6 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

    well there is another ship that looks like it started sailing and on board are ki Hoon and Yu Ra....looks like smooth sailing for them..... the other official delulu ship..... the captain is sailing the turbulent and rough seas and has yet to decide his chief mate..... he is punching his way to get to his chief mate, before he gets shipwrecked.... in the meantime KH and YR will bring comfort food with the soju until the storm dies down.... what happens to the official DLL ship, who and what it may bring we shall see till then.... all aboard

     

     Cheers! soju shots. 

     

    I love Ki Hoon and Yura too - those two puppies.

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  11. 13 minutes ago, nearsea said:

    Yeah, also, I was surprised after listening to his thought process. Like he said the moment she went ahead and did that, it's like telling him, dong hoon, you die. It was killing him inside. Coming from his kid's mom, that was too much for him to bear. 

    So I'm not pro-marriage, at least for this show haha. 

     

    Yes, when he finally revealed his feelings it was so heartbreaking. Normally, I want couples to give their marriage another try but in this situation they better part ways and mutually forgive each other. It does not make sense prolonging the suffering by staying married to each other.

     

    6 minutes ago, ninaanin said:

    I can't understand korean (only few words), but JA's expressions and eyes say to me that she is completely in love with DH (kudos to the actress). Poor and hopeless JA! Unless sometinhg huge happens DH will never acknowledge his feelings for her, nor will he voluntarily divorce his wife, he will keep unhappily enduring this marriage that, in my eyes, cannot be salvage.

     

    Thanks to the preview translation above. It looks like something violent will happen once Gwang Il will be involve in this mess.    JYD will not go down without a fight that's for sure. An enemy of your enemy is a friend. 

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    37 minutes ago, nearsea said:

    Same here. So much angst. I doubt too that he will ever find out. :S Although I do want to see how he will react after the big reveal.

    Especially once he exploded and said all those things to yoon hee, after that I can't see him with her. One simple sorry shouldn't do. :S Anyway, I guess I will wait until tomorrow's episode to assume anything.

    But at the end, Ji An's eyes gives away her emotions, during her conversation with grandma. I would love to hear from her for once addressing dong hoon as my ahjussi. :D

     

    The problem with adultery once you cross that line, it is something you cannot take back. I can't see him with YH either. It will be more painful as a viewer to see him take her back. DH is like a broken glass completely shattered. The betrayal of his wife killed his soul and self esteem. Now that everything is out in the open, the grieving process for him begins. 

     

     

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  13. 12 minutes ago, noor1 said:

     

    @sadiesmith :o (In my post I just laid out for the nth time what I think the drama is about, isn't, what could be, etc.)

     

    LOVED THE PUNCH.

     

    Btw, DH just tanked your delulu island, ship! And in the preview, it gets worse (it seems DH and Ji-An will be together and apart forever, which is the way it is in life in any case, so enjoy!)

     

    This drama has aged me. At this rate, I don't even think DH will ever find out that she has been eavesdropping him all this time and she'll move away quietly. Maybe writer / director want all viewers to go to the soju bar and let out steam!!! Am hooked on OST 'Sondia/ Adult'. 

     

     Let's see shall we? what is it now 5 more episodes to go?   I will give this episode to YH and DH. This couple needs to talk badly. I will go down willingly with the delulu ship:lol:. The island still have enough soju unless this PD will send another ship heading into delulu territory in upcoming episodes. Seriously dude! stop feeding us. 

     

    The best I can hope for is a brand new beginning for all the characters here. Please no more tragedy and pain -  just everyone moving on happily. This show really makes me sad, so painful watching DH this episode. 

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  14. Geez, My Ajusshi is back to the gritty mode again:bawling:. whoah! that was painful to watch. I guess episode 11-12 will likely focus more on PDH. I am glad he broke and punched the wall. It is about time. YH is lucky her husband is a nice person coz there are some bad men who wouldn't think twice of beating their cheating wives. This confrontation is long overdue and again My Ajusshi delivers one of the most painful gut-wrenching aspect of adultery which is facing the truth. 

     

    I don't really know if DH can forgive YH. The pain of her betrayal is so enormous for any man to swallow and carry all his life. A person can forgive but he never forgets that was the pov of DH's bartender divorcee friend. No marriage is worth saving if it means being sentenced in a death row of resentment and anger. If he forgives YH, I can understand it for the sake of their son but a part of me will be disappointed and consider that unrealistic at this point. 

     

    Edit: I am just waiting for the official subtitles. It seems DH chose Jian again despite the office politics. He doesn't give up on her. So touching. 

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  15. 7 hours ago, zenya22 said:

    I don't know why, but I am thinking that those gift certificates will be a key factor in the downfall of JY that somehow the originator/buyer of those gift certificates will be revealed. I don't know if YH knew about the certificate but she knew about the bribe attempt. They could not trace the originator because they have to go through legal means to obtain a subpoena to investigate which could lead to a scandal and Exec Director Wang did not want that. I am thinking that this is where YH would come in. Don't know,  m

     

    Eventually it will happen because the gift certificates (not cards!  westerner mistake:)) were bought with a credit card issued by the company. I think JYD will go down for being an accomplice, his right hand guy ?Mr Kim will likely take the fall coz he was the one who set up everything. DH mentioned in episode 3 or 4? that managers buy the gift certificates to bypass the auditing of the company towards their credit card expenses. So I guess they are good as cash if being given to clients etc... 

     

    6 hours ago, dvdwyn said:

    i think this is the writer and director mistakes? JA follows what they write on paper.. haha.. 

    same as the fall down to the floor effect when she got hit by DH... should not have fall down, too dramatic and cause an argument here n there... lol.. 

     

    there are many ways to make the confrontantion scene without having to make JA looks so clueless on gift cert isnt it?

     

    lol chingu:lol:.  I say all this CIA stuff that Jian is doing are a little crazy too. The girl must really have some years of training doing this kind of set up under a crime family. I re-watched episode 10, she was pushed hard by DH. Jian is a petite skinny girl, it wouldn't take much effort for her to fall down but she may over exaggerate a little though for the cameras.

     

    5 hours ago, zenya22 said:

    sorry, my mistake DH did not have his name on the gift certificates but on the envelope. However the amount of money of the gift cerificates, the loan sharks figure that it was stolen. Kwang Il wanted to call the police on her and have her arrested. He told the other loan shark that he wants her to go to prison. 

     

    Jian is always a step ahead despite the envelope. But of course no matter how perfect the plan, there is the unforeseen human element that she cannot control. Like the other loan shark grabbing the envelope inside her bag,  GI didn't buy that the certificates are legit money. Jian had to quickly improvise her plan and stole back the envelope by knocking down the crate of soju bottles into the car. Quite impressive. Someone here said she could have rule the world with right opportunities. I think she would have been a national intelligence officer or a CIA spy. She put her plans into action with surgical precision. Jian never loses her cool except for the unexpected outburst of Dong Hoon at the end of episode 9. He managed to bring her to tears in that overpass. 

     

    6 hours ago, aisling said:

    Reading all your posts I’m more and more convinced that Ji An and Dong Hoon will part ways in the end. I think DH won’t be able to throw everything away... The more I think about it the more I doubt he would disappoint his mother and brothers. They’re going to part ways and cherish each other in their memories. But I still wish DH wouldn’t return to his wife because their relationship seem pretty dead anyway. Will he be able not to think about his wife in another man’s arms?

     

    Hmm.. I agree with you. They will part ways either by death or because of their own volition. Kids are bound to disappoint their parents one way or another. The fact DH has not done any of that with his family is a lot more scarier. Nobody is that perfect. He must have some repressed anger waiting to explode any minute. I think surviving the corporate warfare is the priority of Jian and DH for the moment with enemies on both sides threatening to harm and destroy them. Again, we can all speculate here and there but then the PD always have a bomb explode in our faces with every episode. Who would have thought there was an argument confession on episode 10?:rolleyes:

     

    KWS said in that press conference that episode 9-10 was fun and interesting:angry: - that crazy guy is having a time of his life. But he also stressed the succeeding episodes will be a lot more interesting.. I don't know what he means by that.. but let's wait and see if DH is capable of losing his marbles or he will remain a calm person and keep on fulfilling the expectations of his family. 

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  16. 2 hours ago, sadiesmith said:

    Geez, would controversies stop following this drama?  Or to be exact, would Knetz stop making a big deal out of every little thing?  It seems that they were taking issues with LSK hitting IU upside on the head on the last episode and asked for another investigation.  Some said this drama justifies violence, perhaps talking about LSK and JKY confrontation.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.  Here's the source article:

    http://www.topstarnews.net/news/articleView.html?idxno=399825#08e1

     

     

     

    What else is new?:lol: so many IU antis that are pissed off right now because this show is  a success ratings wise. They don't like her to succeed as an actress that's all. Thanks to the antis look like My Ajusshi will be the most talk-about drama again next week. 

     

    I feel bad for IU:(. Imagine if that girl will be nominated for Baeksang next year probably her antis will petition the Korean government to investigate the award giving body for corruption. The hate of IU antis know no bounds. 

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  17. 2 hours ago, zenya22 said:

    @Sakari  @timidjock0819No, it was not money in the envelope and not name on the envelope but 50 mill worth of gif t certificates and the name was on the gift certifcates was DH. The loan shark can not legally use that or they could be arrested. They told her they will call the police and have her arrested. That was her mistake, she did not know she could not use that legally and that  is why she took it back  threw it in the waste can. DH thought she did it to save him, but not really, however it turned that by throwing it in the corporate waste, she saved him anyway. 

     

    Yes it was gift certificates not cards. There was no name on the certificates itself though but the envelope that contained them was named PDH. That's why Gwang Il cannot remember DH's name because it was his friend that saw the name in the envelope. Then Jian made a scene knocked over the soju case into the car and stole everything back. She would not use the certificates as payment if there was a name on them. The reason she gave them back to Sage ajusshi was it would not serve her purpose of getting rid of Gwang Il and it could be traceable anyway since the company credit card was used to purchase it. Not really to save Dong Hoon. 

     

    Plot device of why Jian didn't change envelopes. I don't count that as a point against her. Otherwise, if the loan shark friend didn't remember PDH's name there would be no dramatic confrontation between Gwang Il and Dong Hoon on episode 9.

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  18. 2 hours ago, Sakari said:

    Not always, I would say. I keep thinking of one particular mistake. When she had the 50-million envelope with Do Hoon's name on it, she carried it to the loanshark's office – where the fact that it was 50 million in an envelope with someone else's name on it made it clear that it was stolen money – which made the whole thing fail.

     

    If she had been smart and had (1) got rid of the envelope and (2) paid out the money little by little, in small installments, everything would have been just fine.

     

    Of course, then we wouldn't have had all this drama...

     

     

     The loan shark yanked the envelope forcefully out of her bag. She didn't pay them with the envelope. Why would she pay in small installments? she would not hang around with stolen money especially gift cards are traceable. The goal is get rid of it quickly. Also, she does not want to prolong Gwang Il beating the crap out of her and  him finding out grandma lives with her.

     

    Agree that the envelope is a plot device too coz how else the other loan shark will remember the name Park Dong Hoon. 

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  19. 3 hours ago, zenya22 said:

    No please, I apologize for my misinterpretation, we are in a forum discussion, sometimes there will be misunderstanding and misinterpretations

     

    There is a bomb that is waiting to explode and planted at the office. I think that will be the crux of the upcoming episodes. Here will become clear the reasons why they need to stay away from each other to save the other, to keep the other alive. I don’t know what Mr. Darcy or Bridget would have done in the situation nor do I know yet what DH and JA will do. But it is very clear from her actions in the last episode that she is determined to have DH win and JY lose. She is swimming in dangerous territory an environment she is too familiar with, but this is corporate politics which DH only knows too well. He is determined to fight but will do it cleanly while JY, his opponent will fight dirty. JA is in the middle of it all. She is the one who will set off the explosive and could get blown away with it. I think that is one reason why DH wants the fight to be clean. He does not know yet that JA is part of the dirt that will be slung his way. That is why he can not just walk away from it all. JA knows that staying to fight with DH will only hurt them both. JY will use her if cornered to destroy them both, even if he goes down with them.  JY has Mr Yoon as his scapegoat too. One of them needs to go and JA, I think will try to force the issue to get herself fired. And if he walks away from this fight, all of JA's efforts would have been in vain. This is a fight he has to win, for those who supported him, his team, for DW for Chairman Jang but most of all for JA. 

     

     

    That ending will be something I can accept if they admit their feelings and part ways because of their different situations. It is bittersweet but at least a far cry from the horrible brother-sister, father-daughter, and family type ending **yikes**:lol:

     

    I agree that the show will focus more on the corporate politics and JYD"s greed by this week's episodes. Jian is always a step ahead of everyone isn't she? She likely planted a bomb ready to explode with the detonator at the palm of her fingers.  In fact, she might have planned everything so well that she is already expecting to be a part of the collateral damage by exposing JYD. You play with fire then expect to get burn. Jian is taking DH's side so she is busy coming up with formulas and chess pieces to fight for him in her own way. She needs to do right by DH as her form of redemption by making him win the directorship at all cost. As a result, DH will be much happier then she can quietly walk away from his life.

     

    It worries me a great deal now:( Jian might already have the perfect formula for winning her battles with the cunning JYD but what she didn't expect is how to deal with the human element, a wild card in her set of perfect laid plans. I have a feeling that Dong Hoon is that wild card and will spiral out of control. This is not the first time we have seen it happened to him right? This begs the ultimate question is winning really that important for Dong Hoon once he realized that Jian will be in danger or will he allow her to be collateral damage because of JYD? How far is he willing to go and sacrifice for her? I am speculating here that the PD will let us see through series of out of character decisions which clearly explain that for DH when it comes down to it, he will always choose Jian above everything else. If that happens, then please be still my heart. 

     

     

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  20. 8 hours ago, zenya22 said:

    I did not think that their differences were an obstacle for loving but the opposite. That their differences will bring out or intensify their love, that it will be a means to express/define love. There is also a lot of reference in the drama to DH spiritual leanings. Things are not always what they seem, says the man. So how does he define love. Love is love, what does that mean to him? In the preview, once again the writer sends him to the monk, so, what will the monk say and will Mr. Park follow the monk's advice or follow Mr Darcy's example?. My POV changes, it is not permanent, it changes because the writer is quite adept in keeping me guessing and changing. Wednesday is 2 more days away. 

     

    Apologies, I don't think I was explaining my pov the right way on my previous response. I definitely agreed with your realistic theory on the open ending of DH and Jian because those differences mentioned can also be the reasons of what will drift them apart. Despite their feelings, there are also other factors that are in play that love may not be enough so they rather let each other go and allow themselves to be better people without each other. It is  painful and realistic which I can foresee a likely rightful ending to this slice of life drama. 

     

    However, I am just projecting and hoping "a little" the ending will not be that painfully realistic but rather this possible age-gap romance can overcome all that differences like Mr Darcy did in P&P..  and the PD will decide on giving us a happy ending and brand new beginning between Jian and DH. I am hopeful but I know deep inside my heart will be crushed because after all this is a KWS drama so he will go after a realistic ending with similarities to your open ending theory. 

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  21. 39 minutes ago, africandramalover said:

    Which brings me to their weird, beautiful and wonderful connection. This connection is an unfair and unbalanced connection. Ji An has access to him that no one else has. The access is illegal and intrusive and potentially destructive. As someone joked upstairs, Ji An even knows how his toilet sounds are. Go forbid he's having obligatory sex with YH!!!  

     

     

    I agree with the imbalance especially the wiretapping which as a viewer Jian does not get a free pass. It had became her curse as well isn't it? She got to know DH and fell in love with the man. It wasn't just the wiretapping that made me gushed about their connection. Their actions when physically together during their long walks, secret glances etc are also powerful enough to overlook the invasion of privacy in my opinion. But of course, it does not by any means excuse her behavior and will potentially destroy her relationship with Dong Hoon. 

     

    I don't think Jian listens in to the wiretap once DH is back in his apartment safe and sound. There is a scene that she shuts off the wiretap on him or skip the recordings that are not relevant. She listens more when it pertains to business and if DH's safety worries her. 

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  22. 1 hour ago, mujay said:

    @timidjock0819:glasses:..lol

    Surpraisingly you and @noor1, have same point of view and l love both...

    Wednesday we miss "you" :lol:

     

    IKR when did that happen? :lol: Usually I am the one with the delulu POV and @noor1 is objective. I think my craziness is starting to be contagious:glasses: .. @noor1 keep it together buddy! you are suppose to be the realist here:lol:

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  23. 1 hour ago, philosophie said:

     

    I wonder why out of all the male leads in famous movies, the show runners decided to use mark darcy my bridget Jones diary. Why mark Darcy and why Bridget Jones diary?

     

    coincidence or not, Mark darcy share more in common than JH realizes when she compared DH to him. Their personalities seem similiar where they’re quiet and stoic but really kind and nice. They both had wives who had affairs (but Darcy actually caught his wife in the middle of an act). And then I think it was implied that there was an age difference between him and younger Bridget Jones? 

     

    Does that mean then JA is like bridget Jones? For me I don’t see it as they both share similiar personalities because bridget Jones was clumsy and kinda silly and didn’t say seem to have such a dark past like JA who is reserved, quite the overall opposite of Bridget Jones.

     

    and then there’s the actual movie. Why a rom com of all movies? 

     

    What is interesting to me is that Bridget Jones could be considered ‘slice of life’ kinda like this show in a sense but definetly depicting a much...brighter reality. I mean even the fact that it has ‘diary’ in the movie title shows how there’s like supposed to be realism by including her journal entry scenes.

     

    so then why writers did you choose mark Darcy to be compared to DH? What significant meaning is behind it and is there one for mentioning bridget Jones diary too?

     

    Hmm.. Bridget Jones Diary is more of an opposite attracts scenario where a good boy meets a bad girl. Mark Darcy is an uptight righteous lawyer unlike Bridget who loves to smoke, drink, and quite unsuccessful career wise in comparison to him

     

    DH is an upright and principled  man (good boy) while Jian is the opposite of him and have a sharp tongue(bad girl). So we can see the similarities in that regard. 

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  24. 5 hours ago, noor1 said:

    I hate time lapses. And I hope there isn't one in this situation. They are flowing all segments naturally, day to day, night after night. So hopefully, it won't be 'a year later'. 

     

    Apart from the monk-meeting, I think the soju bar get-together with Ji-An will also be very interesting: I think someone (Jung-hee most probably) is bound to notice he is different around Ji-An. And Ji-an knows all of them through the phone-tap, so what kind of limited conversation she has will be interesting too. And DH's behavior towards her (whether he sits with her, or apart or says something to her or not, looks at her or not) will be noticed. I mean, DH and Ji-An aren't the most open and fun people to be around! They have a quiet nature. I think YH will see them at the soju bar (ending ep. 11 on a cliffhanger) and later 'try to tell her husband about the danger he is in by associating with Ji-An.' Hence, disclosing all there is to know about Ji-An and her association with JY.

     

    She may even put a few zingers in against Ji-An's evilness and criminality and that she is dangerous and crazy and 'records stuff' and that she may have recorded him too! She will accuse him of getting trapped in an affair. All of which is bound to make DH angry at YH instead! This will open doors to the real conversation they have been avoiding (state of the marriage, unhappiness, affair, future of relationship).

     

    And this also makes DH go and confront Ji-An and she will not lie.

     

    OR it could be that the first time DH learns about phone-tap is when Ji-An discloses to the company that she was hired and paid by JY to bring DH down, stunning him for a while. 

     

    I also have a feeling that Jung Hee will notice it right away. She knows DH better than anyone. Just like GI knows Jian and  torments her that she is in love with DH. It does not take a rocket scientist actually:lol: to figure them out. The other characters in this drama are confirming left and right that they are in love except for the main couple. From an outsider perspective, everything is objectively clear but DH and Jian are the type of people that will just deny the heck out of their feelings and will say one thing but does the opposite. 

     

    I agree that YH will likely be the one to reveal the wiretap and Jian's manipulative ways. Since the beginning, she never liked her and was judging her past. She was also the one that looked into Jian's background from previous episodes.  It will be interesting if jealousy is her likely motive for outing Jian's wiretap to Dong Hoon. She is a vain woman to begin with so I won't be surprise once she sees DH and Jian together that it will trigger some crazy confrontation.

     

    What is there to be jealous about anyway? YH is beautiful, successful, elegant, and well educated. All the elements of a good wife and partner. She should not be insecure with a girl that is poor and an ex-convict right?  Unless, YH also notices the same thing that the other characters are saying all along about DH and Jian in this drama. There is nothing more hurtful than realizing that DH never looks at her the same way as he looks at Jian. Ouch:cry: Is that YH's ultimate karma knowing and feeling that difference? 

     

    Gosh is it Wednesday already??

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