[[OFFICIAL] Ji Chang Wook and Nam Ji Hyun Couple (JiBong/JiJi Couple)]

On 8/31/2017 at 2:58 PM, attriste said:

I really am finding the "building of chemistry" for filming really interesting, for lack of better things to do. Sorry for posting so much in here ha.

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From Lee Joon on "Father is strange" thread (cr: Stroppyse):

So that they could get along well, they joked around a lot. He doesn’t think acting starts at the moment they yell “action”. Like the flowing of water, it’s better when it continues. So, by playing around together all the time, they were able to convey that sense of intimacy on screen.

About this, LJ said “We were able to match better than I had thought. In order to be able to shoot the affectionate scenes well, he deliberately played around a lot on set. 

He confesses that he and Jung So Min didn’t get close until after 30 episodes had been shot.

 

 

And from Wookie's Woman Sense interview (I paraphrased the literal translations and I believe this is what he intended to communicate):

I worked hard so that filming our scenes were comfortable. I am much older than JiHyun but I became playful and childish with her to build our on-screen relationship. As a result of that, our off-screen relationship was also playful. I also had many conversations with her, which made acting with her very comfortable and so we weren't awkward when we had to film the intimate scenes.

On soompi: PD Sun Ho-- She shows perfect chemistry with Ji Chang Wook in every scene they are in together and so I am very happy as a director.”

So we all know that in both instances and probably for other pairings, to get close, they deliberately blur the line between real and reel, and immerse in character even off-screen so that it translates to a good chemistry on screen.

But there are still differences. Our OTP took to each other like a match to kindling. Even the PD was super happy and saw the chemistry right from the start.

I can't statistically rule out all the other factors like actor personalities and different sets and production teams, etc, for this observation to be 100% sound and factual, so it's just my thoughts.

Running off for a meeting. I want to write more but I'm seizing @malaya being online hahahaha. Since you're well-versed in film industry by virtue.

 

@attriste Awww...thanks for the vote of confidence. I only know as much as anyone who has interest in this industry and I’m sorry that I’m only replying now. It’s that time for our monthly end reports and I too had some errands to run. Plus, I wanted to know a little bit about the other actors concerned and their weekend drama because I will be referencing and making comparisons.

This topic is broad and my attempt to capsulize it in this post may cause me to go off tangent and off-topic and I may just ramble on – so please forgive me in advance. 

Anyhoo, the bigger the industry and the farther its reach as its market/business grows and becomes more complex, the more that they approach things down to a science to ensure success. They have crush and comprehensive courses (training and specializations) for casting directors and other trainings related to it. Before a project is announced, the casting directors, directors/production team, producers (depending if it's a tent-pole project, at times studio heads are involved and a lot of wheeling-dealing behind the scenes to get a big name to draw in audience) and agencies work out possible casting choices for a specific project. They have screen tests, audition screen tests, reads (usually with the actual star(s) if they already have a major star picked) to gage chemistry. So, an aspiring/struggling actor banks on those screen tests and chemistry reads to get a call back and finally get that break. 

But still it goes down to the actors themselves from the moment they accept a project, prep for it, when they finally start rolling and the rushes comes out and then the production team make the edit/sound/effects for the final cut. Every filmmaker considers it a major plus point (heck it’s a major element for guaranteed success) when there is natural attraction or chemistry between his actors. But it’s impossible to achieve that with every project and with every actor involved even with science and technology, techniques involved and employed. Do you know that in soaps, the usual call and standard rule is if two actors show chemistry, the writers will make them a couple.  Even in caper/heist films for example or crime films where male actors are the leads and then story centers on them, chemistry plays an important role in its success (e.g. the bromance in Ocean's 11/12 took center-stage and not so much on romance side between Julia Roberts and George Clooney's characters). On the other side, TV show that started out with no romantic angle between characters, but due to the chemistry (aka romantic tension) between the actors and they’re characters, audience is drawn and they themselves creates the scenarios in the course of the series (e.g. David Duchovny/Mulder and Gillian Anderson/Scully in X-Files and that unresolved romantic/sexual tension lasted for effing years). 

Or, if they already have major stars attached to the film/project as a major draw, then they rely on them being consummate professionals, that they’re trained/experienced enough to work at their chemistry because the word “miscast” is a bitter pill to swallow and you can’t drop a star without getting the ire of the talking heads and powerful agents/flacks. And become a pariah in tinsel town.  

Or, if in the course of filming the actors who have a romantic angle or worse have a love scene, totally hate each other's guts. I remember a British film director talk about a youth-oriented/coming of age indie film he did with a young relatively unknown cast. He only knew the two actors hate each other during filming so he sat them down and told them to do their part and the production team will work something out at the editing room as reshoots and recasting is not an option they can afford notwithstanding it could affect the actors’ future casting projects. He said it turned out better than he thought because the strong conflictual feelings between the actors created an underlying sexual tension and with edits the final cut came out better and works with the film’s dark theme. The director surmised it could be that the actors were actually attracted to each other and they were just in denial for a reason.   

So, let me digress a bit (P.S. a lot now as I write) and talk about Wookie’s previous project (K2). I know there’s a flaw in the script itself with the Anna character advertised as a main character but IMO end up a plot device that could be disposable and outplayed by the main villain’s chemistry with the main protagonist. But IMHO with a better and experienced actress, the flaw may have been employed to drive the story forward and she’d be able to elevate that character or script flaw and thereby create chemistry for her character with the protagonist. See, I was looking forward to this project with the actress as a spill-over from my love Lee Bum Soo who gushes about her in their romantic pairing in PM&I. I liked her in that drama. And I think what bungled for me right at the start was the “caught in the headlights – I found my muse – major epiphany of a famous designer” as the trigger. Was it their way of paying homage to Givenchy and his muse (Audrey Hepburn - her mom being the reincarnation of whom?)? Is the white nightdress purposely used to juxtapose Audrey’s infamous LBD in Breakfast at Tiffany’s? And why chose Spain as location of choice for the shoot? See, when I think of the world of fashion, what automatically comes to mind is Paris or Milan as close second. And I am in no way disparaging the influence Cristobal Balenciaga has on the famous designers that apprenticed under him and followed after him and the techniques he’s created that sets the bar in cut, silhouette and high couture. Maybe it would have made an interesting plotline if Anna has wandered in her soiled little white nightdress at Zara’s. Or, was it the tax credits? But I don’t think they spent EUR 20M minimum to avail of the 15% tax incentive Spain has on international film shoots. I would like to think the better option would have been Hungary (Budapest) and Czechoslovakia (Prague) which had been the location of choice for many major HW movies as an alternative to Paris or elsewhere in Eastern Europe based on currency value, location and crew availability not to mention financial cost savings (in terms of cash rebates, tax incentives, etc.). But then again, I’m not involved in that production. I’m just Jane Doe on the internet making unsolicited advise. Heh! 

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At this juncture, I’m going to put the rest of my post in spoiler, because this is a LONG A-S-S POST, chingus…..

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Now moving on to K-dramas and the very technical detailing of kissing/intimate scenes of actors to debunk dating rumors….and I will put this caveat out first:

This is my personal observation and the comparisons and references I'm making are based on the BTS, final cuts that made it to drama episodes I've seen, a couple of recent news I've watched and read. Please feel free to point to me the videos/articles that I might have missed to put things in a better perspective. That, I have no intention to offend anyone. That I am not in any way or form related/work for the production teams/projects involved. (Ha!)

BTW, while I was looking for and watching/reading BTS of FIS and other stuff related to JL/JSM and their drama. I had to acknowledge that for the purpose of better discussion and comparison I need to define (at least try and attempt and I know we’ve exhausted it for 1K+ pages. Heh!), what is it about "chemistry" and the level of chemistry am I expecting to find? Does the unit of measure range from none, little, so-so, mid to mindboggling sizzling chemistry? Because whether I/we like it or not I've/we've been spoiled by JCW's and NJH's sizzling chemistry in SP and now, when I see an on-screen couple in a K-drama act out a romantic scene or intimate scene, theirs has become my standard of measure. 

Let’s break it down once again:

1.  Science (@nianderson beautifully captured it in her post in relation to NamJi) defines "chemistry" as the how and why substances combine or separate to form other substances and how substances interact with energy. So, just like on-screen pairings, it’s basically two components interact with each other in a way that causes a reaction:

a) the two components are the actors themselves,

b)I think we can add a third component which is the perspective/expectations of the audience and how we as an audience respond to what we're seeing on screen. In dramas in particular, chemistry between two characters (or between actors) occurs when they play off each other in a scene, us the viewing audience experience some emotional response to their interplay. And this is not just exclusive to romantic pairings BTW. It could be chemistry between the hero and the villain in a crime drama (see Dongha and Wookie in SP and the ajjummah (villain in K2) with Wookie’s character).

Someone might argue it's the script, the genre, the demographics, you dummy. Hmmm, you could be right. A drama constrained by rating and its target audience has to make do with mostly dialogue and post sex scenes that could weaken the feeling of romantic/sexual chemistry. But then again, how come just long gazes/stares, nose grazing and embraces works for Bollywood and Thai lakorns, huh? Ultimately, IMO it all boils down to some kind of attraction or noteworthy compatibility between the actors. On the opposite end, see my comment on K2. The character’s appeal (or the opposite of, where the audience would rather change channels, watch paint dry…) to the viewer generally does not affect the apparent chemistry of the romantic pairing.

I think what also works for SP is the sparing use of the popular trope – EBH and NJW started out being in conflict (starting from the opening scene of episode 1 – pervert accusation at the train to her training under him). The story made eventual lovers morphs their conflictual tension into eventual romantic/sexual tension. Well, methinks it was there from the get go and it was mutual attraction when she said “Will you sleep with me?” But it was not overly done (credit goes to writer-nim and PD-nim) that the conflictual tension makes one-half of the OTP unlikeable, thereby, weakening or killing the eventual chemistry. I think the whole taking a step-back/breaking up in SP was resolved beautifully (thank you writer-nim) and the transition (kudos PD-nim) of the realization of their feelings. But of course I should not forget to give credit Nam Ji Hyun and Ji Chang Wook for being great actors, and their spazz-worthy chemistry.

 

2. One of the key also in this so called "chemistry" is the actor's attention or his/her focus. As has been the experience of those who have watched SP, Wookie has been guilty as charged.

When you're watching two actors, I think you subconsciously look for this kind of focused attention. If, through body language (tonality of the voice, mirroring, invading personal space, speech patterns, etc.) you get the impression that the two “click” or are in tune with one another, you buy their relationship. The spontaneous affectionate gestures (caresses, handholding, nudges, tightness of the hugs..aahh just watch the BTS people, it’s all there.), or the lack thereof, or even subconsciously recoiling or distracted gestures/expressions comes from the actor and his/her psyche, not the script. Thereby, affecting their relationship be it professionally or personally.

These nuances (body language, shift of the tone of the voice) and natural attraction cannot be forced on an actor/actress. If PD-nim tells his actors to casually touch or put his arms around his fellow actors’ shoulders or imposed childish antics on her, I don’t think it’ll work. No, let me rephrase that, and say it doesn’t work. They (the actors) themselves have to be open (both for the giver and recipient) and they have to do it naturally. Those really good actors can perhaps (if your name is Cary Grant), create chemistry or attraction on tap and can go method (if you’re at par with Daniel Day Lewis) and get so into their roles that they can do this unconscious body language techniques, but it’ll take its toll and dangerous to ask/imposed on your actors to be that consistent and sustain that all throughout the entire shoot and the next movie project (because by the time you filmed your second movie the attraction is such that the affair end up as one of the greatest romances in HW history despite the age difference - see Bogart and Bacall. Bogart was 45 and on his third marriage while Bacall was an ingénue at 19 in their first film, To Have and Have Not).

 

3.“Realness or Believability” factor. In this context, chemistry simply means that the actors are believable as a couple. It’s like one of those things where you leave them alone in a room and you know something will happen. For obvious reasons, this “reality” or “realness” factor of whatever the actors are up to (see SP BTS, press con, etc.) affects our perception (as the audience) of the characters in the drama. That’s when we board this ship and Jiji/Jibong/NamJi is born, folks.

 As people and humans, there are so many subtleties in the way we interact, especially sexually. There are not many actor (and people in real life) can fake real interest very well and sustain that for so long. Your fellow actors will detect and their trained and receptive to know that you’re just faking it. It would also be an insult to your audience no matter how gullible they are (and them allowing to suspend disbelief). As they say, you may fool people for some time but you can’t fool them all the time.

 Again, we are lucky that aside from their emotional compatibility despite the age gap and their seemingly no socio psychological barriers (communication certainly is not issue with them, for how many times they caught being in their own world), Wookie and Hyunie obviously have physical chemistry manifested by their natural and physical attraction.

 

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Cr: stroppyse on Father is Strange soompi thread

LJ commented that the romantic acting with JSM were 100% scripted without any adlibs, and the scenes themselves were the composites that were edited of multiple takes and angles shot of the scene. Because the PD wanted to get the romance just right, each scene would take about 3 hours to shoot. There were also several different versions of the kiss scene. They would shoot it with more intensity, then shoot it with less intensity…  Though it was edited from different pieces, he thought the end result looked very natural. 

 

 

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Here goes, my observations/comments in bullet points:

1. I understand, Father Is Strange (FIS) and SP have different demographics or target audience. FIS being a weekend drama/family drama likely has a wider audience base in SK compared to SP. At 52 episodes at 1 hour length for FIS while SP is 40 episodes at half hour length. There’s only a 1 year gap between LJ and JSM. Whereas, there’s an 8 year gap between NJH and JCW. LJ is fairly new to the acting scene and both female leads are acting soonbaes (sp?). Major envy on this OTP that they had a photoshoot together, is all…..

Fun fact: the pink dress JSM is wearing on their press con is the same style as Hyunie’s in their presscon, only that JSM’s is shorter on the hem. Hers is above the knee, whereas Hyune’s is below the knee. And LJ was very shy in this presscon. In fact, he couldn’t contain his laughter with the cutesy and aegyo’s he has to do. Hahaha! Cute kid. I want to hug him and bring him home.  

2. As I read LJ’s "very technical" response to the question, I keep thinking is there a reason aside from the usual debunking the dating rumors why he shut it down clinically? Because I sense a hint of defiance in his response akin to someone balking at something. At the back of my mind, the idea of “is he trying to burn bridges?” keeps surfacing. I know it could just be complete conjecture on my part but after coming across this news (link: https://www.soompi.com/2017/08/29/lee-joon-shares-open-pursuing-career-paths-completing-military-service/) there’s a small chance he might be?

[I hope I’m not making enemies of his fans right now. Peace Yo! Let’s make love not war.]  

To add, when I saw this BTS with eng subs (I reckon this is official?), the network (KBS) or the marketing team seems to be the one pushing it (hence as @daloula mentioned the audacity of the question allowed to pass thru). If this is so, I can understand where he’s coming from and I gotta say he’s one brave fella. Ah, this kid.  

ETA: My attempts at makng gifs may not have work so I'll just post the YT vid.

 

3. On the kissing scenes. Believe me I tried but I couldn’t find any BTS of the kissing scenes of FIS. LJ mentioned they shot some intense kissing scenes and each kiss was for 3 hours [I have other things to say but I’m opting not to say more]. But judging from the final cuts that made it to the episodes, I thought the production team/management went with the less intense ones because it looks pretty tame to me [considering the target audience, I guess they’re trying to avoid some pearl clutching. Ha!]:

a. Episode 30 – the cute kiss marks scene (Mi-Yeong (JSM) character kisses Jong Hee (LJ) on the cheeks). Then followed by a smooch on the lips by LJ.

b. Episode 47 – a longer kiss but (not the open mouthed type) and her hands mostly remains at her side and she only put her hands on his back loosely (when the camera pans out for a long shot), with a slight distance in their lower bodies (manner hands and manner legs were employed). I think I get what he’s saying on the camera angles and edits. I didn’t see extreme close- up shots on the kiss. From what I see, in the final cut, the extreme close up was the back of her head, so we can’t see the lip-locking motion. And the short close up shot of their kiss lighting was soft creating shadows. Sorry I neither have the skills to lighten it up nor the inclination. Hah!
Compared to SP we have lots. Only that PD-nim and DoP-nim spliced and edited in superimposed images to diffuse the intensity of the kiss? Why huh?

c. Episode 49 – Inside his room scene. MY smack/peck on JH lips (wide shot). He grabs her hands and turns her around and his hands held her neck and he leans in for the kiss/smooch (medium shot). Again no deep kissing involved here. This is PG13 rating. 

d. Episode 51 – inside the car scene. Saying their “I love you’”. Pecking and smooching but longer than previous kisses. Again, no deep kiss.

e. Episode 52 – final episode and final kiss. It’s a sweet one. No tight hugs. [sorry not doing additional comment on the camera angles and shots].

 

4. The special airing of their last episode shoot (via Entertainment Weekly). I’ll just post what they said and you guys interpret. 
When the EW reporter asked LJ about filming the last episode and the drama ending…..[watching at the KBS World YT channel]
Reporter: How is it? LJ: It’s great.
Reporter: Usually, everyone feels bittersweet…
JSM: Act a bit sad.
LJ: When a big project ends, it feels good at first, that’s why I like it.
JSM: It feels good at first then, it gets sad.

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And I’m ending it here. There were other things that they talk about in that interview and I paraphrase, the reporter asked if they think they’ll wind a best couple award. LJ responded that he doesn’t think he’ll get an award because he’s going to MS. But if he does, he’s going to ask his omma to accept the award on his behalf.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@pauliza Wishing you a Happy, happy Birthday and many happy  healthy returns. I pray that you and your loved ones will be blessed with good health and be protected by all the harms in this world. Enjoy your day.......[I wish we have a birthday cake or birthday celebration gif at soompi]. 

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49 minutes ago, attriste said:

From re-transcribing the translation, I feel like that intended translation meant he worked hard to create a comfortable filming atmosphere for co-star and production team alike, and in order to do that he played and acted childishly.

But my takeaway from all that use of awkward and embarraassed was that, this guy is super sensitive about how others feel (about jh and him) HAHAHAH. sorry, delulu.

Hahaha! But I'm loving the use of awkward and embarrassed  because the question was specific to the kissing scene. 

And mind you that question is a follow up and premised from this question.

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Q: Your chemistry with Nam Jihyun has become hot topic.
Jcw: Because i'm older than her, so I have work hard to make it less awkward and familiar with each other, like I will act cute(aegyo) to her, in result, we has become a relationship that can make jokes with each other, so when we filming together, we feel more comfortable, always chat with each other, especially when filming intimate scene we will feel less awkward.

And I really love otpshits translation of him being cutesy/aegyo as "he acted coquettishly". Oohhh...the sexual connotation. Hehehe! 

 

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12 minutes ago, attriste said:

 

Ah, gotcha. My idea of technical was the other actor's comments regarding the recently concluded drama (in spoiler). In contrast, Wook's comments were so much more about emotions, managing everybody's perception and feelings of the kiss scene. Haha.

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Cr: stroppyse on Father is Strange soompi thread

LJ commented that the romantic acting with JSM were 100% scripted without any adlibs, and the scenes themselves were the composites that were edited of multiple takes and angles shot of the scene. Because the PD wanted to get the romance just right, each scene would take about 3 hours to shoot. There were also several different versions of the kiss scene. They would shoot it with more intensity, then shoot it with less intensity…  Though it was edited from different pieces, he thought the end result looked very natural. 

 

Anyway to your other question: this actor is managed by Prain TPC. I don't think their stable of actors are as prolific as Wookie, or has a reputation like Soop (having the honour of association by virtue to Gong Yoo)

Darn! His response was coldly technical. Yeah. Cold hard math. 

Man, I'm so grateful Wookie's response did not layout the technical details like LJ's. But more general and interspersed with his personal feelings. Talk about debunking rumors with ice cold water. Ouch!

Thanks for the info on LJ's agency. I think that explained why questions like that can get pass his handlers or the network/production company's PR during such press roundups.

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4 minutes ago, daloula said:

Sadly I can't help you with that. I don't even remember where I found it and it was just by chance. 

That's alright. I was just really curious...

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7 minutes ago, gglex6275 said:

Damn, watching in slow mo really gets me to thinking that, yup they are not just ordinary friends! LOL! Look at her pushing his face away from her, no dongsaeng would do that to an Oppa, this already emphasized that they treat each other as equals. hahaha Its how I would push away a boyfriend when he gets annoying! I use the term boyfriend because a friend who is a boy wouldn't really be that forward when it comes to invading personal space. Because look at JCW, he has totally invaded her personal space, more than that, its the space where her face is and she retaliated by pushing his face away from her. Yup Totally playing the flirtatious game of LOVE!

Agree. We're only noticing these little things and gestures that they do/did now thanks to the gif skills and talent of taonaka and other talented chingus. 

And that whole sequence if I'm not mistaken, started with Wookie's caress on her arm. 

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41 minutes ago, attriste said:

 

I'm back reading: do you remember what he said that was technical? Cos all I remember was him saying he was satisfied/ Jihyun did well and created a beautiful scene together etcetc. Teehee.

His response comes across as technical to me because he explained the process/prep involved why the kiss scene came out as such. He's saying there was a lot of work involved and that it was not easy to diffuse the awkwardness between him and Hyuni and he sorta downplayed the fact that the production team must have felt awkward and embarrassed witnessing such passionate scenes (the rawness of it) and how intimate they were that that he has to diffuse that by perhaps cracking some jokes after or downplay it that its all about them giving their all and just being their professional selves. So during and after filming those intimate/kissing scenes the people at that film set must have felt really awkward and embarrassed. 

The thing is there was no humor involved in those kissing scenes and bed scenes right? And the final cuts were seriously intimate and passionate. Well, they were laughing it off during rehearsals but the final cut of those scenes did not come out funny. LOL!

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Q: Oh is like that? You have earn the title of "King of Kiss" & "King of Romcom"(especially the audience watch the NO CUT kiss BTS, and it become hot issues)
Jcw: Even thought I not hate it but when I heard about it, I will feel very embarrassing and feel like hide up myself(laugh). In fact, to make everyone like it, and portray out the loving couple relationship in exquisite with the feeling, I have work hard on that and is not easy, since the genre of this drama is romcom, so to portray out in more fun way, try my best of not feeling awkward/embarrassed. In reality, when I kissing my girlfriend in a crowded place, it will feel embarrassed, so it will feel more when I kissing my SP co-star, since it is acting, to make it feel less embarrassed and more relaxing, I will work hard to find out what she likes, dislikes, and try to make joke with her, at the same time it also help to reduce awkwardness among the staff. So I really spend a lot of thought on that.

 

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12 hours ago, daloula said:

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But aren't the questions for the interviews usually screened and filtered by the agency and sometimes even the answers prepared before the interviews in the korean entertainment industry?

 

 

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Yeah so I was surprised how this made it through/ or why it made it through. And then just correlating it to how the questions on SP seemed so tightly managed that every article sounded like 101 ways to ask the same questions. 

 

Yup, this goes back to the theory that their interviews were heavily screened. 

Just curious, does the actor discussed here belongs to an agency as powerful or more powerful than Glorious and Soop? Or, it could be that the production company and his agency is giving the actor more leeway on their press rounds or Glorious PR people are more media savvy. 

 

BTW, @daloula I've been meaning to ask and forgot about it. Who is that in your profile pic? I've been trying to place it and I've been curious if that is a movie still or meme. She looks like Elle Fanning but I don't recall that still as her Princess Aurora in Maleficent? Or, is that her sister Dakota?

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35 minutes ago, taonaka said:

 

Even if Winter but Feel warm 

Awww that's beautifully rendered. You are such a gifted artist and fast too. The drawing evokes so much warmth including a sexually charged one. LOL!

 

33 minutes ago, attriste said:

My favourite Mr Dorky Umbrella dude posted a pic of Ggoma today, I don't remember whether we‘re keeping their IG accounts off the thread but most of us here should alr know his account.

@m i s z CHEN Wow her waist...so slender. I hope they post up the article so we can have a shot at what she said! Thanks!

 

It was billed as "the final interview before enlistment", and the interview was done in a western restaurant on Ruyi Island, but no dates given.

 

Thanks for the info @attriste. Hmmm...interesting fact about this being his final interview before enlistment and the phrase about "don't catch cold" and Hyunie's vlive (Aug 4, right?). But then its also possible they've already talked about her "easily catching a cold when the season changes" during their many conversations when they're still filming SP.

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@Loyal_ss520 Its good to know that you at least had some rest after working on the Women Sense translation. I too wanted to know when Women Sense interviewed Wookie. Likely this was also around the same time as the other interviews he did post-SP but much later than the others (late July) only that this mag intended the interview and cover for their Sept issue.

 

 

Thanks for bringing her IG post on Hyuni's throwback photos. Ji Hyun's features really has not changed much since she was little. Really a natural beauty. And she has the type of jaw line that will just age gracefully.

BTW, I love Hyuni with darker hair and layered as above. I wish she'd go back to darker locks for the awards season later this year. 

 

2 hours ago, pauliza said:

I don't think we are 100% delulu

This time our delulu almost 70% valid .Credit to @piecesofrainbow & @waveoflove for pointed this out . 

reposting your IG post chingu.

Indeed. Its no longer delusional and its not a mere coincidence either. Above should be enough.  

 

@mydarjen yes, that has been posted. 

 

 

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Commenting as I back read again. Good day and good evening chingus at whichever part of the world you are. It continues to amaze me how we find little nuggets to add to our treasure chest and piece together pieces of the puzzle despite a trickling down of information available. 

@Loyal_ss520 and @attriste Xie xie ni for burning the midnight oil and translating Wookie's Women's Sense Sept issue and to @solaire for bringing otpshits translations.  A lot has been said and I can only nod in agreement as I read and ponder on what's been discussed. But as @m i s z CHEN mentioned and I quote, what also strucked me is his emphasis on certain things including his emotional wellbeing and by inference it all relates to SP and Ji Hyuni -

3 hours ago, m i s z CHEN said:

 

i think one thing is clear: hyunnie is on his mind! i bet you our smitten puppy watches all of hyunnie's VLIVE or it may have come up in one of their endless conversations. i think that he was thinking of hyunnie while writing the letter.

i mean, there are so many different things he can say - stay healthy, hope you dont get sick, stay strong, whatever, but it had to be just those same words please be careful not to catch a cold in between seasons or when the seasons change. this is almost identical to what hyunnie said in her VLIVE - LIKE, FORREALS!

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1. his worries (esp. the "sorting out his emotions") and things he gotta take care of before his enlistment,

2. I echo the thoughts of our chingus here that when he talks about SP (how meaningful and his experience and thoughts about this drama and all the people involved in it and one in particular runs almost the whole gamut of his emotional spectrum - happy, regret and cannot let go), although the question was on his professional work, his speak always go down to the personal level. The strongest to me is being "regretful" and "cannot let go" because him being happy is as clear as crystal and a foregone conclusion. I reckon his personal experience is such and on a deeper level touched and continues to touch him physically, mentally and emotionally. Because you cannot regret something unless it's of greater value. It's the hardest to let go when you want the beautiful moments and times never to end and you wish you can freeze time and lived in that moment and those times. But he can't because what's facing him is the reality of MS and the time apart. That's why he gotta sort out his feelings. More than being physically ready, he also has to prepare himself emotionally and assure and be strong for those he will be leaving behind. Now, I'd like to go back to his MBS interview, where he said "I have my pride that's why he told her at first don't come. I think it's his way of reassuring her his strong she doesn't need to worry. But it's actually in this case (in the context of this interview) he's just putting up a brave  front what he says out loud is not what's in his heart. He wants her to come but he also don't want to worry her. 

3. his emphasis on the technicalities of the kissing scene (similar to what Hyunie mentioned in her print and live interviews), but also managed to include that it's not all about the technical after all because there were the fluttering and happy moments. The kissing scenes were so passionate the editing, PD-nim and DdP-nim edited into the final cut shown in the drama episode the superimposed images, glass/mirror reflections and lighting techniques to diffuse. There were so many heated moments and he got so carried away the much younger and inexperienced (in kissing and affairs of the heart) co-actor had to calm him down. 

4. him taking the initiative (being older and experienced) and "cute" (and I Iove the phrase otpshits used "acted coquettishly") to get to know Hyuni better. As has been mentioned countless times the lines are blurred between his acting with professional interest and personal interest. The word coquettish suggests behaving in a flirtatious manner or behaving in such  way as to suggest a playful sexual attraction. No need to expound on how sexually attracted he is to Hyuni. 

4. granting him saying "please be careful not to catch a cold in between seasons or when the seasons change" is him saying that sincerely to his fans where the common solicitous phrases "take care of your health" or "wishing you good health" is good enough but he uses the same phrasing associated with Hyuni and in toto to what she said. I think it's not delusional for us to conclude that he's using Hyuni as his point of reference. She catches cold easily in between seasons ergo everyone must also be the same. Hehehe. When you're in love your thought bubbles are always related to her.  

 

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48 minutes ago, hazel30 said:

This is so cute..  JCW n NJH teaching How to be a Good Parent.. 

 

 

Wait.... the guy in black in this gif behind Wookie, doesn't he look like the guy in black whom the guy in white gave the paper bag to? 

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6 minutes ago, pauliza said:

The drama that wookie & hyunie acted together but. never met on screen was Warrior Baekso right ?That drama was aired 2011= 6 years .If he mentioned 8 years thats mean  he's eyeing her since Queen of Seodok ,2009 + coincidencely they have 8 years age difference  

 

All these calculations with their projects and ages has addled my brain. Plus I'm only using my phone so I got a bit confused there with BDS and QSD. 

Nonetheless...poor Wookie. Whether it was 2009 or 2011, she was still not legal. 

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9 minutes ago, pauliza said:

Plus ,Queen of Seodok aired on 2009 ,maybe he noticed Njh since that drama too

 

Ah I was computing it wrong. I thought it was 2011. 

So QSD to SP is about 8 years LOL!

There was a double meaning. LOL!

But if he's been eyeing her since then that makes him something else. 

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1 hour ago, attriste said:

 

Still remember this like it was yesterday Thanks @riririru for your translation and bomb so many moons ago.

I read the Chinese translation just because I was browsing and I really liked some parts of their translation - not saying its the most accurate translation at all cos it's 3rd hand (korean- chinese-english)

but I am a sucker for poetic chinese that the english language just can't describe sometimes. and  just really remembering their times together and how it led to this 'confession' (cr: 奇怪夫妇小站 weibo):

Actually i really had a lot of thought regarding that. 

In Chinese translation it was: "It really is something (I) worry about"/ the key characters used were "vexed", "worried"

Whether im going to the army or not, i would love her, because i love her. If i really love her a lot. 

In Chinese translation it was: Loving her has no relation to whether I'm going to the army or not, I'll still (go on) and love her like that. Because this love, it's that kind (level/ degree) of love : the key characters used were "degree" and "extent" of the love.

*SWOOOON* Ok goes back to lurking.

Edit: Just read the chinese translation of the question posed : If at this moment, there really appears a girl you really really love and like, would you give (her) up or accept (the love? her? situation? it wasn't mentioned)?"

ARGHHHHH. somebody is totally not giving her uppppppppp

Awww! The Chinese translations does sound more poetic and romantic. In the first sentence the word "worried" gives an underlying message that it's been occupying his thoughts and the thought of having found love and leaving for MS is weighing his mind and he has worries because it is important to him. 

And then he continues, in the second sentence, what I can glean is that - having found that love that had been weighing on his mind recently he's come to the conclusion and with conviction he declared that his love is unwavering. That even if he is not going to MS but having found this love. The circumstances or situation is a non-issue. Because as the song goes, what matters most is because he loves her. And he has a lot of faith in this love to withstand the test of time and trials that may come it's way.  

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38 minutes ago, odotz said:

Chingus, may i ask a silly question, coz i thought it alot but i still can't come up with some answer .

in the second press conference , JCW said about him waited JH for 8 years. 

Why 8 years ?

warrior baek dong soo which is the first project together with JH  was release in 2011

JCW career is about 10 years 

can somebody please help mee, thanks

Yeah it doesn't add up mathematically if his talking about acting in a rom-com since his acting debut and in the drama Baek Dong Soo. So,  it could only mean their age difference, inferring he waited for her to grow up. 

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145 KM is far. But ya know distance doesn't matter when one's in love. 

Hyunie could be testing on how far she'd have to travel when she comes visit him if no visitors are allowed yet at his camp. Checking routes. Ya know girl has a plan. LOL!

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1 hour ago, lovethatlook said:

 

Waaaah. these 2 really are going to give us a heart attack. I cant count how many times they have made us breathless and having sleepless nights like we are on our first dates.

Our prince was so into the kiss that he forgot they were filming. Good thing princess was level headed and she brushed his hand away. Wooah ninja move from Hyunie.! JCW's vacuum cleaner with powerful suction kiss did make princess' heart flutter. If it was me, I'll surely be a flat liner. 

Reposting gif.... coz I like it 

There are probably 101+ gems in the BTS and the drama cuts that are waiting to be discovered. 

Wookie was so carried away he naturally went to 2nd base. Haha! I know it sounds gross but  boy was copping a feel. 

And they must have made several takes on this. With low key lighting on this scene and them enclosed in shadows as they open the door hides some action that were not noticeable unless really scrutinized and lightened. There's no escaping with so many eyes looking at the same scene over and over again. LOL!  I'll venture a guess some of the cuts must be too racy for national TV. 

And if we add the sounds they make as they kiss and bumped into each other and against doors and walls. It'll be too hot to handle. 

ETA: @sharreb I have your vid on replay for about 15 min earlier. Someone wandered into the office and asked what I was listening and watching so intently. I'm not really into pop but the soulful song/cover filled with so much longing cuts and goes straight to the heart. And it's an added bonus that as I listen and sing along with the lyrics there's an added layer of emotions because I'm seeing Ji Chang Wook and Nam Ji Hyun fall in love as the pics and gifs faded off and open like a story book. 

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33 minutes ago, Loyal_ss520 said:

Wow...really feel great seeing Hyunie enjoying her holiday... did you guys saw this fans post...

The beach that she visited look quite near to someone someone camp...*delulu mode on hahahaha

 

23 minutes ago, riririru said:

#Gangreung #GyongpoBeach

Enjoying the beach as a side trip but main itinerary is to visit someone at his camp. Delulu mode on. LOL!

Are they allowed visitors now when he's not done with basic training yet? 

BTW, does visiting rooms for families and girlfriends/wives provides some sort of privacy for couples? Seeing how passionate this two are, they sure want more than hugging. 

1 hour ago, riririru said:

Cough Be careful of fly cough

That one has been going for the sympathetic route. Different MO. But same ole, same ole...

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@excitedgal First off welcome and thank you for sharing your first hand experience of Wookie's Jiscovery concert and FM. I had to take pause and process as I read your post. Then slowly read as if reliving what you experienced during his concert. If I, who only saw it at first in video snippets can feel the intensity of his emotions and the feelings it evokes, so much for you who was there with him, witnessed it firsthand and during that moment. 

I hope you won't be shy in sharing more of your thoughts with us. 

 

 

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I'm a bit late for the 1000th pages celebration. But just wanna celebrate the same with all the wonderful, beautiful people of this thread. Whatever the future holds I too would like to celebrate the warmth and mirth that I get every time I visit this thread, the camaraderie despite our differences (in culture and history, social and political, biometrics, and so much more), the wit and humor, the gif skills and byuntae banter that never fails to bring out a chuckle to full blown laughter, the writings that evokes strong emotions and pushes our mental capacities to think beyond the surface, the beautiful pics and collages that narrates Namji's story of fate, destiny and love for the ages.......and touches and gestures and kisses (both tender and passionate) that provokes (even the non-believers)....there are so many things that I may have forgotten to mention. But one thing remains and I speak from my heart....I will forever cherish and treasure the moments I've spent with  all of you despite and in spite of the unwelcome visitors that occasionally drops by. Whatever will happen in the future let us celebrate what we have today. 

@pauliza my prayers for your continued recovery. Your quiet strength is inspiring. Indeed real life is hard and a constant struggle. So each day that we wake up to every morning is a gift. Thank you for sharng your story. And thank you to everyone here who also shared the hard knocks this so called life has given them. Let's all fight the good fight! 

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3 hours ago, lovethatlook said:

Now that I thought of it, it could be possible. But wouldnt his bunk mates tease him if they see it?? Or maybe his bunk mates has some personal items too. If that is the case, I'll go for a hanky coz he can use it to wipe his sweats too. I remember my husband kept my handkerchief when we were apart for a couple of months, he didnt even care if it has flowers on it, and he did use it  and washed it too. \

Awww..that's so sweet of your hubby.  I vote for hanky too.

 

  Watching SP again....in ep 20 in the cut "You're dirty but pretty.." [credit to IG owner]

NJW smelling the natural scent of BH who has not showered for 3 days....reminds of a famous story of Napoleon writing home to Josephine (his wife) - "I'll be home in 3 days. Don't bathe." I wonder if writer-nim was inspired by that story. In the olden times, men seems to prefer the natural scent of a woman and finds it an "intoxicating aphrodisiac". I wonder if JH natural scent drives Wookie wild. Eh...I should't wonder its a fact [based on their many scenes in the drama and BTS]   

ETA: And doin' that nuzzlin' thing and tight hug again......his chin on the exposed skin of her shoulders, neck. His cheeks touching her ears. 

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2 hours ago, Huntergal said:

Thanks sweetie for your translations!! *hearteu*

Ommo, so these guys are posting for poster? When I heard poster, I imagine them posing smexy like the ones firefighters in the US did...ROFL!!

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Can we have this kinda poster when Wookie does it? It's for Hyunie. 

 

Hehe! They can do their version of the Chippendale Live Show. Hubba Hubba!! 

 

54 minutes ago, feliciadreamer said:

@Huntergal chinggu, maybe get use to do stunt action, hence, even rom com every scene is done with extra force/energy. Hehe  

 

39 minutes ago, tomago said:

or maybe he was using extra force to restrain himself from doing more.. 

He was being forceful or he was so into the moment he forgot to be gentle. Didn't Hyunie mentioned during the 3rd kiss, she banged her head into door/wall or something like it.  LOL! 

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2 hours ago, magoner said:

Even me till now I have no idea how to put images and videos....

 

@magoner @salmonnigiri Sorry you're questions may have been lost in the pages. I'm no expert (I'm still trying to learn how to make gifs) but with videos and photos:

1. You can embed a youtube video by copying the url (https://www.youtube__) and paste it on whichever portion of your reply or comment. 

2. You can also embed an IG pic or vid directly by copying the original IG link and paste it on your post/reply.

2. To embed a photo, you will need to save it and then upload it on an image hosting website. I don't known what are the latest ones as I still use imageshack. I think someone mentioned imgur, etc. Copy the url link after uploading and insert that link by clicking the "Insert other media" at the lowest right corner of your reply window. Pick on the dropdown "insert image from URL". 

 

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4 hours ago, ysrida_ said:

Anyway, I've been monitoring what did hyunnie liked in IG.. Her IG activities(lol stalker much.. Hyunnie mianhae..^^') She usually like management soop and her boss updates quite fast.. And i know she followed BB taeyang in IG..  She rarely(from my analysis lol, pls correct me if im wrong.. Hehe) like Taeyang post.. But today she liked this post.. I wonder what's on her mind when she listened to this IG vid..  Hehehe

I can't turn-on the sounds so just playing the vid with no sounds. Watching the vid and reading the lyrics... IA, its a new love and the deep longing for someone as the lyrics convey. My Gawd! The feels..indeed. 

 

4 hours ago, Huntergal said:

@Loyal_ss520 Hearteu for sharing those precious pics!  Thank you! 

Gawd, look at those smexy veins popping on his arms! And his big hand too! And how tight he's hugging her...that skin to skin contact! Kyaaaa!!! *dead from swooning too much* 

resposting for posterity -----

Smoking hot!! And they are sizzling together. Prior to this still (before he saw  BH's dad photo).....that moment when he was nuzzling and rubbing and doing all that...if there was no background music but just the sounds of rustling bed sheets, noise of skin rubbing against skin and maybe hearing some faint sighs......is

Spoiler

"postcoital verbal derpitude"

 

 

4 hours ago, findingserendipity said:

Thanks so much for sharing! Awww so precious! 

 

Reposting~

Omomo. What is air? Hee! He hugged and tucked her in so tight, you can hardly see her. Lol 

If only those sheets and pillows can talk.......hehehe. They're both feeling every nook and curves of their bodies. 

 

3 hours ago, spy booble said:

 

Kyaaaaa...yaaa..yaa...I blush ...her vest string!!!SO SEXYyyyy...

And I bet only hyunnii known..How sweet scent "HERMES" Perfume exactly...

Idont have any ideal ab scent..but I only SMELL LOVE!!!

Which of the woody scents are her fave? I wonder if she layers too (uses the bath oil/soap when showering, then body cream, then spray the cologne). Layering helps keep the scent linger and keep you smelling good for a long time.