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10 hours ago, Chii90 said:
We don't know yet. Because it's a plot originally developed for drama sake since the government banned time travel aspect. But based on wiki there is this woman assassin who look a lot like CQ as @mundane9 stated and i believe there is something big hidden behind it as the mastermind who planned it didn't show his face in CQ flashback's. My suspicion it must be related to this evil minister of Yan who betrayed YX father as he wear the same jade ring as we seen on the flashback and based on the shopkeeper coversation with him.
We all hope the same @lovelycate, come join the prayer circle.
@Chii90 - it's possible he is the same guy with the jade ring...
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9 hours ago, sorein said:
Hello!
You have read the book, haven't you?
Do you know when (in the book) does she get her "powers" back and showcases them?
did not read the whole book but have learnt that sometiime next week - she will meet snake lady. Snake lady who recognized CQ fro yeaers back (it was the eyes) thought she was the girl who assasinated CQ's mom. apparently CQ's mom was killed by someone who looked a lot like CQ - that/s why some folks believed CQ killed her own mom without knowing CQ's identity (mistake her for assassin(. Anyway - the snake woman will help her remember her skills and powers.
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According to the youtube video - neither ZLY nor LGX are available for PA 2 due to scheduling conflicts for both actors. And the script for PA2 is completed awaiting filining-production. I'd rather wait for them than hasten to keep the momentum. Quite perplexing how everything is not properly planned out nor anticipated. If YWY was incharge - none of this would be unfolding this way.... hahahahaha. sigh - it is so sad that I have stooped so low as to troll PA gossip while anticipating Monday to arrive. ahahahahaha
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Just in case anyone out there understands mandarin but not read it or too lazy to read it (like me) - there is an audio version of the novel on youtube (assumption it is complete) - no eng subtitles. I will post the link if anyone is interested.
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3 hours ago, pimsucre said:
s I said, YWY did try to help but his attempt isn't good enough for something needed a dire warning. His hints had no weight for YX's stance who always believed in his father's loyalty, plus his personality didn't help to get any idea of imminent catastrophe, that is why he still stayed in Chang-an. Should he had known what was coming, he would have returned to YanBei long ago. You may say that YWY couldn't speak out loud by himself because it would conflict with his duty as the Head of the Eyes of God but is this Organization supposed to do things in secret and have plenty resources and intelligence sharing so I WISH he would have tried harder to make a case for YX departure rather than giving him those insipid implications.
I stand on my view, YWY was gambling YX's fate, though he did with good intention but the outcome was another story. That's why I reiterated that if the massacre was unavoidable, it must have been better if YX knew something.
@pimsucre ii totally see your POV. As for myself, regardless if the author (whomever that really is) was conscious of it or not, penned this whole intrigue perfectly reflecting realistic human behavior. It demonstrates human myopia and the complexity of the human psyche. It shows so many things like:
1) No matter how long he and YX have been friends, YWY did not know him well enuf to exactly identify what type of hint was needed to alert him without causing an adverse outcome (which happened anyway)
2) That YWY lived in a hidden world of conspiracy, espionage and covert affairs and how that influenced who he is as a human being in all areas of his life. He looks for hidden meanings, hints, facades, hidden lies, etc. I suspect what YWY found intriguing about XE from the get-go besides her fighting instinct and abilities - is her natural affinity for such subtleties despite having no 'formal' training (he is conflicted and struggles with that being truth or disguise which is why he keeps testing her).
3) YX was a royal hostage raised with the comforts of his status but with none of the pwer. YX - who was never raised the way YWY way is totally clueless to covert affairs, intrigue, conspiracy, etc. Thus he is as subtle as a bratty, cavaliar, entitled prince as has been shown throughout (very well acted out). He is also tactless, impulsive and brash as a result of that upbringing. There is no telling what he would have done if told i the face what was about to happen. YWY is loyal-obedient to his king and grandfather.He is conflicted as he is trying to support all without endangering-jepardizing hisellf, his family, his friend and the king. A no win situation. Short of divine intervention, nothing was going to prevent traedy in this situation. He has limitations and weaknesses - and this is shown in what transpired.
What a fabulously complex reflection...... just too heart-wrenching.... just gimme more romance to make up for all that unnecessary BS.
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2 hours ago, cenching said:
Emperor Eyeline
@cenching mwahaahah - u have him down pat!!!!
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3 hours ago, jolin_chan said:
Let his sexy stare accompany us through this weekend
Drooooooooolllll, swooooooon!!! Unlike Park Hae Jin who has defined the deadpan expressionless face to new heights, LGX's expressionless face is actually full of revelation cuz one can FEEL something intense underneath that seemingly expressionless face. Even during the series premier show - that was evident.
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4 hours ago, cenching said:
Ladies, for those in the dinner time zone what do you cook/eat for dinner tonight?
@cenching kalua pork and cabbage with rice.... Hawaiian dish
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1 hour ago, mrsyooknit said:
I never found LGX handsome until Princess Agents. After looking more into his work, I do think he looks better in modern clothes.
@mrsyooknit I dunno - those pictures u posted he looks so much younger - like boy whereas in the series - he looks like an adult male. I dunno - that's how my mind works.
3 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:Right.
That's why, at least from a historical perspective, it's helpful not to view the activities of these men just through 21st century lenses. Much as I like YWY or sympathize with YX, they are still men of their time to a large degree. Of course they've been made somewhat more palatable for television audiences but let's not kid ourselves that they are social idealists in any sense that we understand. They're Warring States men who are in love with a rather extraordinary woman who may or may not be just a slave. If she didn't stand out from all the other women, would they have given her a second look? I doubt it. Sure a number of people protested at the wolf hunt and even did their bit to save some women but did they care enough about the female slaves to shoot YWH or ZXF in the chest? Nah. Nobody cares to rock the boat if it goes against self-interest to do so. Even now, as CQ, YX and Miss Yu are plotting against the three houses, Wei, Zhao and Yuwen... it's not really about being social justice warriors but dealing with a major thorn in their side. While I'm cheering from the stands, I'm not deluded that they're doing this for the good of the people.
In this time and place these people have a particular view of the world, of class and of politics. To marry for love is not even a relevant discussion and one would be very very lucky if they ended up liking their spouse.
But right now CQ isn't even fighting against slavery as she has barely managed to survive life.
@40somethingahjumma - so totally agree with u on this
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11 hours ago, UnniSarah said:
Chingu , I feel bad for YWY. What happened to YWY's mother in the novel?? Did she love him? Why did YWY get treated badly by his father??? Was YWY the only child to ever be successful from the Yue Family?
@UnniSarah in the novel, he was the son of a servant whom his father bedded (gotta go back to that chapter to recall). She didn't live very long. treated badly becos his father had so many women and his mom was not really a legit wife. according to the novel, whatever accomplishments he had was only used by his dad and family would be used to benefit the family, but he was never going to inherit his dad's legacy because he is not the eldest nor a legit (he prob would have been treated worse if he was a daughter) the novel parts I read didn't mention his siblings abilities but did mention YWH -- who is a cousin.
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4 hours ago, cenching said:
Maybe his blushing is not all the time shyness related
@cenching it might not be shyness - but more like self-conscious. I have the same problem. Put me one-on-X in any situation i,m OK. But knowing I'm on camera or a formal speech in an audience - the entire face turns hot and red. Surprisingly considering how long he's been doing this - he has not overcomed that or hired someone to help him with it like a therapist or hypnotherapist.... ahahahahhaa
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6 hours ago, cenching said:
Honestly, I don't really sure if XE believes YWY wanted to kill her. If she did, she won't keep his sword close and she won't be shaken when she saw him during tomb raiding plus she will throw all the hates when they meet in the party....I suspected she do understood/doubted his act of killing her.
Even your love is as deep as ocean but if that same person wanted to kill you, you won't fluster when you see him.
@cenchingI suspect XE herself hasn't figured out yet at this juncture what she is feeling exactly for both YX and YWY because she is pretty much a kid (by age in the novel) afterall. SHe has never had the luxury of entertaining the notion as she has been on survival mode the whole time since childhood. One can see her confusion from the get-go of her internal conflict with YWY- i.e. she SHOULD kill him but she CAN'T. It is the eternal mystery of the penultimate noir-ish love story - what sonne folks in the western world call "Stockholm's Syndrome" - falling in love with the 'enemy', captor, the basis of 50 shades of Grey (kiddie pool version)..
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4 hours ago, cenching said:
Does anyone know if YWY has brothers?
@sorein - in the novel he does - he is siyie = 4th son and in general badly treated by the entire fam and esp his father. In the novel he also has sisters who were introduced by way of them attending their 1st formal wedding ceremony (that did not get completed0. Some of the sisters are kinda bitchy
Wait - I kinda got lost on this thread..... HELP! There is a season 2? ZLY won;'t be in it? What about LGX??? That's like ZLY not returning for journey of Flower or Olivia Wang not returning to Ode To Joy 3. I mean - they defined the role-character of that show(s)?!?!?!?
and of all people Angelababy the bratty twit (can u tell I seriously don't like her?!?!?) I mean she's beautiful and all that but that chick just comes across as real, warm and authentic as cardboard (like paper dolls) both on and off camer..... oh wait. I can't tell the diff between on and off camera when it comes to her screen and real life... I'm bitchy. What to do?1!! ahahaha
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4 hours ago, sorein said:
I do understand it being hard to believe that LGX is shy with his dating scandals. But his male co-stars have said that he is TOO shy so I dont believe they would be lying since they have no reason. Mark Chao, his best friend, has made fun of him over that.
@mrsyooknit & @sorein - if you ever watch him in interviews be it the formal intro of the series to the public and the rest - it is quite evident he is uncomfortable and sort of aloof in front of a live interview. LIke a retreative creature whereas ZLY is totally personable and pleasant.
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4 hours ago, cenching said:
He can't even do a peck properly as shown in the trailer. That's what I said in the previous post here, "LGX, please grow a pair, give us a passionate tongue kiss!!".
@cenching - in the novel he does-do after the wedding night..... sigh. Dioes that mean we have to wait for season 2?!?!? arggghhh
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SHould I say this with a oooooooo or Ohhhhhhh?!?!? Some other kind soul on this forum pointed me towards a different website publishing this novel. There are chapter numbering discrepancies for eg. what I read on luoxia as c 181 is c 245 at the other website. The other website has 292 chapters. I just glanced thru the last chapter of that version and it is definitely further ahead of the so-called final chapter 191 on the luoxia site.The so called last chapter on luoxia is c191 whereas it's c269 in the other So - there's almost 30 MORE chapters to the story post the last summary!!!! howzabout that?!?!? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....but feel compelled to proceed further in search of more YWY-XE romance...... hahahahaha
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@40somethingahjumma I'm no better than anyone when it coes to mistakes as you can tell from the number of updares and corrections I havee made including the latest summary posted.
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OK - I confess to being an impatient person. All I am interested in is the romance. After reading thru c182 - c187, I had to skip to the end to see what happened c191. Bypassed C 188 - c 190 (putting the rest in spoiler for those who don't want to know).
SpoilerSome clarifications for those who have not read the novel.
1) YWY and XE haven't had any biological kids yet up to C 187. BTW - C187 came in 2 parts, part 1 and 2. why? I dunnno
2) Those kids they have are 'adopted. I suspect we will be seeing one of them this week - the first kid that YWY interacts with after XE's 'death' will eventually be adopted by YWY. In the novel, this kid has met XE b4 because when she saw him again for the first time years later after she returns with YWY following the wedding nite, he called her 'mother' and asked if she had forgotten him. This was when she found out YWY had raised the child as his own even tho this kid was not too much older than her. XE is mother to LiJing's son as well as a few other kids she picked up somewhere along the way before Chapter 180.
3) YWY is NOT a king. He is a high ranking official to the king in his court. XE is a general and king-ruler .That gave her the status she needed to be suitable for marrying into the YW family.
4) Soon Ater they returned to the city together following the 'wedding night', YWY became more and more busy, working deep into the night, and was taking a visible toll on his health.
5) YWY arranged for a formal wedding with XE. LIJing had pre-arranged a huge dowry for XE before he died (she didn't know about it tilll her formal wedding day was announced ) - LJ even had pre-arranged for the surviving and remaining Jing family members (adopted family who had raised her) to be at her wedding so that she has some kind of family on her end of the family at the wedding. whatta man!!!
6) The wedding ceremony was interrupted by the horns announcing the king's death and an internal court power-struggle all of which was anticipated by YWY and XE. What was not anticipated was that YWH would hold XE hostage. She killed the soldiers guarding her and with a bare minimum number of her own close guards, had to fight her way to the city gate (apparently this was sort of pre-arranged). So her formal wedding day didn't happen... crap! sigh.....
5) Following which as the ternal power struggle was taking place - in the midst of it, YX attacked the country.
6) XIaoBa (little 8), after YWY 'died' was sold to a brothel and raped. She realized no one was around to protect her. She quickly learned all the important arts of becoming a high-end prostitute and in a short time, was entertaining the richest. She was with a fat and old client on a boat when he tried to inappropriately take off her clothes. Inadvertently, she injured him and in the struggle, fell off the boat. Considering who he was, she chose to drown in the lake but was saved by the Prince. He was interested in her but becoz she was still pining for YWY, she chose to becomea slave-servant instead. Years later, after she reunited with XE again (c182 or 183), she somehow saw him again. This time he was cold and distant and no longer a prince of power-position, but she determinedly made up her mind to stick with him wherever he is - and he finally consented.
7) YWY during this period comes to some important realizations. SInce I have not read the whole novel and it is different from the drama, i really feel fro him here. In the last chapters - it reveals that he is the 4th son in the family which means not so important. Despite working hard, being loyal and talented, his family in the whole time has always ignored. use. if not ill-treat him esp his father. They even went as far as disowning him at one point and only welcomed him back into the family after he accomplished some great feats. Even afterwards they are using him. Even knowing he was marrying XE, his father asked him to take the opportunity to gain more power in the midst of the war chaosl and sacrifice XE (she volunatrily left to defend LIJIng's country and his child) from YX's army - the size is incomparable without reinforcements). At this point, YWY realizes his lack of importance to his family and her importance to him and vice versa. He chose to disobey and leave his father (and the YW family) and go save XE.
8) XE was prepared to die as YX's forces had fought thru the city gates. She had created enuf oppotuinity just b4 to smuglle out LIJing's child and the other kids accompanied by the other skilled guards to protect them and was essentially vulnerable.
8) The last spoken sentence of the concluding chapter was XE whispering into YWY's ear "I am pregnant" (this is her first pregnancy).
so in chapter 189 XE discovers she's pregnant. i just read those chapters . I suspect the series won't follow the novel as XE herself only meets YWH after she returns to the city with YWY post wedding night.
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16 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:
Ah... okay, I missed this discussion initially because it was in spoiler tags and I saw it elsewhere.
With regards to 委屈 (wei qu) although dictionaries translate it as "wronged"... I would argue that the closest English equivalent in the context that you're referring to would be the expression "I have imposed on you". It's rather old fashioned these days but it fits better than most other expressions in the semantic range. My understanding of that usage comes from Jane Austen's Emma: "He has imposed on me but he has not injured me"
I like what "impose" implies because it conveys pressure and force on the other party that goes against their will (usually).
I thought everyone knew.
It's a Korean drama staple. ________________________________
I won't deny that like a lot of people here I'm totally invested in the YWY and X'er pairing but it doesn't really bother me if she does love both men in different ways. I made my peace with that kind of love triangle in Moon Lovers and I think it's quite realistic for a woman (as is the case here) to have different types of relationships with different men that could be termed "love". Not every kind of love relationship means burning up the screen with overt sexual tension but it doesn't mean it isn't love in some form. Looking at Ep. 28, it seemed to me that with YX, X'er takes a more caretaker role. She looks after him and gives him advice about how to move on... and that's fine... it's what he needs from her and it's what she needs to be at this point in her life because she is the stronger one here. I think she's necessary for him at this stage to help him get back on his feet and teach him to bide his time. Just as YWY helped her and taught her to bide her time, gather her inner resources... to survive and to look ahead to the future and not dwell on the past too much. But yeah... YX needs someone to help him build long term goals, move on and stay on track. Someone who has suffered with him is best placed to do that. Because without that support, he would be a blithering mess.
YWY will be fine but I won't deny he'd be happier with a strong woman by his side who is his intellectual equal.
X'er isn't quite there yet but she will be once she sees the world from a broader perspective. I suspect her time with YX will give her that.
@40somethingahjumma Being an avid Austen fan myself - I kinda feel like the context is different Those English manners, the language, culture, and Austen's romances kind of pale in comparison to this novel-drama. In a dictionary context, IMPOSE means to take advantage of someone by demanding their attention or commitment which appears to be what Emma underwent with Frank C. All that Frank C dude did was manipulate situations to create illusions of interest in Emma to hide-mask-defliect his romance.with another. My understanding of imposing in that novel-context has always meant inconvenienced (someone)+take advantage of + dash of compromising someone. It's like she said to Knightley - he imposed but his imposition diddn't hurt-harm her.
Wheareas the general meaning of WeiQu is much more than that. WeiQu involves someone (potentially) enduring physical, mental, emotional, situational suffering, ususally involving an extended period of time.It also means that individual's reputation being compromised.
I dunno - I would never have described Emma as being WeiQu'd in any context but then comparatively speaking in Chinese society she would have been some wealthy XIaoJie or Princess and this kind of ungentlemanly manipulative treatment from a man like Frank C may be considered being WeiQu'd. It's all relative based on one's state of mind and upbringing. If Emma ever declared she was WeiQu'd by Frank C - I'd call her a spoiled brat and go get a life. I would really reaffirm that CQ is really more than WeiQu'd in the novel. I'd say WeiQu'd is an understatement...... hahahahhahaaa
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5 hours ago, mundane9 said:
you might be right. YWY is an enigma. It's like in his realizations (which I just updated with some omissions). He is selfish and possessive when it comes to her. It could be all of it. As said - I have not read the previous chapters. And being 21st C, have 'forgotten' about the importance of the whole losing virginity b4 marriage thing. I dunno why he couldn't have waited to marry her first - prob he just wanted to make sure she was his which was something YX could have done. Or maybe he just couldn't hold back any longer. It never occured to me that whole conversation could be about losing virginity before formally getting married. DUHHHHHHHHH
@mrsyooknityou have raised a very inytresting angle on this. Never occured to me it was the virginity thing because he had earlier asked her to marry him and....
- I had omitted mentioning YWY saying "i owe you a lot" in their bow conversation - one of the premises I based the analysis from. And that he laughed after she said "I was willing". I interpreted that paragraph to mean she misinterpreted what he meant (i.e. he meant all the things she had to go thru, and she - the whole bedroom escapade)
- interpreted YWY's realization about YX being a gentlemen more than he had becoz from the get-go, YX had outrightly declared his love and attraction towards XE including his intention to marry her, and they also fought side by side whereas YWY has always taken it for granted that she was his (possession - why in the realization he said he was selfish and demanding when it comes to her). He has never outrightly expressed his feelings for and to her (everthing done for her was covert-secretly), even when she fought while with him - she was fighting as his servant, not his equal.
Anyhoo... you added more hot sauce to the p(l)ot.
THANK YOU again!
2 hours ago, lovelycate said:Thank you so much for the juicy spoiler. But, would you please translate the whole chapter if possible? I'm dying to know what happened between them in every detail, line by line. Yes, I'm a perv.
@lovelycate gimme some time. In the middle of some work related stuff.....
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5 minutes ago, mrsyooknit said:
me too! I hope we get something this week. I need poor YWY to stop suffering so much.
I could be really wrong, but I thought he apologized bc he had sex with her before they were married and she said that she was willing. I think in his train of thought he mentioned how she was with Yan Xun for so many years, but he never touched her so in that aspect Yan Xun was far better than him.
you might be right. YWY is an enigma. It's like in his realizations (which I just updated with some omissions). He is selfish and possessive when it comes to her. It could be all of it. As said - I have not read the previous chapters. And being 21st C, have 'forgotten' about the importance of the whole losing virginity b4 marriage thing. I dunno why he couldn't have waited to marry her first - prob he just wanted to make sure she was his which was something YX could have done. Or maybe he just couldn't hold back any longer. It never occured to me that whole conversation could be about losing virginity before formally getting married. DUHHHHHHHHH
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Re: Chapter 181 YWY "realization". Hi all, haven't done any tranlsation yet but completed that chapter. Those who would like to know what he "realized" after the wedding night can read the summarized spoiler below...
SpoilerIt was the same evening deep in the night after their 'wedding'. . CQ woke up to find YWY missing, gone from the bed. She panicked and quickly put on some clothes to go look for him. He was not in his room. She panicked even more and scurried about looking for him througout the vessel. She finally found him standing at the bow of the boat and saw he didn't have much clothes on in the cold. He sensed her presence and asked here to come over. When she came over, he hugged-embraced her in his arms without speaking. She showed concern for his lack of attiire and the cold weather but he didn't say anything. Eventually he said :"CQ, weiqu ni le" (mandarin)
Realization #1: Wei Qu is a chinese adjective that does not quite have an equivalent meaning or word in english. Essentially it means an individual has been compromised, have to endure-undergo all types of suffering, judgement, persecution, etc. as a result of their values or attachment-relationship with another(s).
The following is my perception of why he said that although i have not read the entire novel.
Following CQ's love confession that same evening of how long she has loved him (because she has never said out loud, therefore he does not know either. They are both well matched in their enigmatism). He must have realized a lot of the BS-trials-suffering, countless times she was injured, almost killed, she would not have undergone if it weren't for her feelings for him. It dawned on him that she could have easily ignored any-all of those events involving him, but because she loved him, she willingly underwent them FOR HIM.
(Back to the novel)
When CQ heard his apology, she informed him not to blame himself because she willingly did (all of) them - kinda twice because he was regretful about her having gone through all this.
Realization #2:
YWY realized he was kinda arrogant as he always believed himself superior to YX, and that CQ can only be truly and completely happy with him YWY. Currently after ten years he feels that YX was more of a gentleman because of this matter over CQ as he YWY has always been selfish about her. When it comes to her, he has always been un-selfassured. The closer happiness nears him, the more afraid he gets and the more he demands-wants. The more he grabs on to (her), the more he loses (her). Despite his accompiishments, abilities, wealth, etc., in his entire life, she is the one chess-play he has no confidence of nor accomplished victory. Occasionally he laughes at himself that this day will never come.
CQ dismisses his apology by saying it was nothing and she did all that willingly. He then said he was going to make it all up to her even if it takes him the rest of his life (awwhhhhhh...). More amorous aggressive 'movements on his part and he carried her back to the bedroom. More teasing banter (she tries to kick him back to his bedroom) but he would have none of that. She kinda falls asleep in the midst of foreplay (hahahahaha). From this point it gets kinda mundane coz she wakes up and it's already mid-day with the entiire boat crew kinda knowing what happened between them the night before, the maid even had a bowl of herbal soup ready that helps to quell bleeding.....)
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25 minutes ago, mimimi26 said:
Don't worry ladies YWY will use these lips soon lol
Too bad he's a reputed womanizer (like faster than one changes their underpants). His goofiness is my kinda hot guy!!!
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8 hours ago, hyall said:
Is this series being translated well and not going to be suddenly stopped I hope. I started watching memory lost but for some reason they stopped translating it. Do you think i should watch it now or wait for it to be finished?
@hyall this series has been edited and twisted around inc. name changes. they are contracting the story line originally consisting of over 180 chapters into 58 episodes. not to mention the unclear plagiarism scandal involving the author.
14 minutes ago, gentlelily12 said:Am just hoping its not just a peck we see in the trailers. I will be so dissappointed. I need them to have a proper, longing and "deep" kiss in view of their separation/misunderstanding on XE side at least. (Like YeHua towards BQ kinda stuff in ep 47/48).
Yes - YH and BQ was soooo freakin intense esp YH (hot damn!)
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It's a Korean drama staple. 
[Mainland Chinese Drama 2017] Princess Agents 特工皇妃楚乔传
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@lovelycate yeah - i am already bracing myself for a semi cliff hanger knowing they have season 2 script completed. Considering they are too impatient to wait for ZLY and LGX to reprise their roles in this series, will prob skip season 2. Just wish they wouldnt do that - they did that with JoF 2 - I will not watch; just because WH is reprising his role the other critical half is missing.