[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Funny that she goes on a holiday just as I got back from one; unfortunately for her, she isn't with a special someone.  Thanks to all for keeping the updates flowing! It's such fun to catch up on the latest juicy tidbits.

Now that time is running out and they're currently on separate continents, my hope for a reunion prior to the enlistment date is fast diminishing. I'm not too worried, though; if it's true that they can meet as soon as this Christmas, they'd choose to be together whenever there's less attention on them. I don't really understand the latest bout of hand-wringing; with Siwon's cumulative shout-outs to Liu Wen on his show and her LFIL-esque updates on IG, it's all too obvious that they're in a relationship.

 

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

LW's latest IG update:

Love the upswept hairdo and outfit...who's the cute accessory?  She's got heels on and he's still taller than her...sorry, Siwon buddy, you lose there!  Observe their arms around each other's waists...I hope Siwon isn't the jealous type. I haven't watched Siwon's latest serial at all, but maybe Liu Wen isn't happy that he's getting cozy with a female co-star?

I love how everyone is oohing and aahing over this update; if it had been Siwon looking so comfortable with an eligible female other than Liu Wen, I doubt all the comments would be so positive. We women are so typical!

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

And another one:

This series is shot by Victor Demarchelier, son of the very esteemed Patrick Demarchelier.

I find it curious that LW has been in Asia for some time now - is it work that compels she remain there, or is she making the work fit her needing to be there because she will be seeing Siwon soon before his enlistment? Let's stay tuned... 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

LW appears in the December 2015 edition of Harper's Bazaar UK:

Oh, and she looked stunning at yesterday's La Perla event. Now let's just hope she doesn't leave for the States in the coming weeks without us having heard that she made a stop in Seoul beforehand...

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

I wonder if she styles herself for all these public appearances; wouldn't be surprising considering she's expressed a desire to be a stylist in the future. I must say that she does seem to have a flair for it; she's usually perfectly dressed for the occasion and her style is always on point, such as in this latest getup. When she does become the future Mrs. Choi, I can picture her taking over the role of stylist for Siwon, and I'm sure he'd obediently listen to her every suggestion.

And apparently Liu Wen is prominently featured in advertising for Tiffany's in South Korea; a reliable Korean poster on IG commented that she actually went into a Tiffany's store because Liu Wen is on its billboards, and the salesperson was very pleased to know that she likes their model.  I bet the salesperson would've been happier had she actually bought something, though.  So, now at least we know that whenever Siwon wants to be faced with a bigger than life representation of his goddess, all he needs to do is wander outside the La Perla and Tiffany's stores in Seoul.

Oh, and here's footage of Liu Wen at the recent BoF 500 Gala Dinner and Party; you'll get to hear Christopher Bailey, Tommy Hilfiger and Tory Burch talk, all of whom have the good taste to favor our girl:

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Wow, such a raw beauty in the B&W photo...jump forward to her appearance today...she cleans up good, doesn't she?

And that's an unexpected glimpse of cleavage...yes, burn, Siwon, burn!  Even though Choi Jr. may not approve, she really should dress more daringly more often; after all, you're only young once, and she needs to stop being such a good little Chinese girl! If you see a hot guy at tonight's party, you know what you ought to do, Ms. Liu!

Oh, and that definitely isn't her on that magazine cover. I'm disappointed in you guys; LW fans really should know better.  I may have to force feed all of you a whole swath of Liu Wen's covers to improve your recognition skills.

What a relief to see she's resurfaced - I was thinking she may have been on an enforced blackout if she'd returned to her hometown.

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

@allnaturalcrunchtime_stv I really doubt my decision to stay on the ship would have any bearing on anyone. At the end of the day, everyone makes their own decisions based on what they see and interpret, so my presence or non-presence is certainly a poor barometer indeed 

Kidding aside, I think your support of them is actually a pretty good barometer; if you abandon ship, there's practically no chance that they're together.

And yes, where is Liu Wen? It's been four days since she's been absent from IG; if I had to guess, I'd say she intends to lay low for awhile after being tailed by paparazzi or fans when she returned to Beijing. I highly doubt she's in Seoul at the moment.

Fashion forums have been posting higher-res pics from her Bazaar Bond girl shoot; she looks particularly alluring in this one:

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

@allnaturalcrunchtime_stv I did go back earlier and edit my reply to you regarding not wearing the gifts post show, but anyway, just to be pedantic, here it is again:

As for them not wearing the gifts post-show, my interpretation would be that it is very much in line with what their party line is, which would then tide her over the two years without having to address questions about him. Though according to @deepblue_1, the Weibo fashion blogger who was on set during his Piaget CF shooting said he was wearing the ring at that time... so that is surely positive news, right? And when all the doubts about accessories are raised, I will always remember him being caught wearing the ring on his private family vacation in Europe, when there shouldn't be any reason to do so if it was just for the show 

Basically, I believe it all boils down to their mutual understanding of how they would conduct their relationship right now. Which is why him being spotted wearing the ring in Europe when he was not expecting an audience, speaks far louder than what they officially wear in public. Of course as you say, we are operating based on subjective evidence. For me, I am prepared either way, but what I have seen to date serves to support my belief, now more than ever, that they are together, rather than negate it.

So then why wear the gifts all the time only when the show was on air? I can still remember how pointed it seemed to be at the time; they were seen with them on at practically every press event they attended! That suggests they wanted people to think they were a real couple just to publicize the show - if the official stance is to be not seen (at least infrequently) wearing the gifts post-show to avoid further speculation, then why do the H&M campaign? They know the implications of shooting that campaign, and if they're acting all lovey-dovey in it, won't that invite all kinds of questions while Siwon is gone?

I agree, though, that recent evidence seems to suggest they're still on, and anyway, if you've remained on the ship, that cruise must be a worthwhile one to be on.

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

 @allnaturalcrunchtime_stv Yes, we have heard all the official stances and statements (misquoted or not). However, we too have all the reasons we still ship them, perhaps now more than ever, at least for me. Storms and deafening silence will come... haters, naysayers and flip-floppers already abound on every platform as far as this couple is concerned. Which is why, assuming we do believe they are together, I personally do not see any reason to revive something that was discussed in the past, and doubt his sincerity towards her once more by assuming without proof he gifted her something he obtained for free, just because he had connections to the brand. Especially since we have seen so much, way after the show, that indicate what they do mean to each other.

It is not to say we cannot have concerns... there are times when I do too, but honestly, I have not seen anything, especially in recent days, that trigger alarm bells in my head. Of course I may be hard of hearing... or need new prescription glasses, but seriously, I am and remain very optimistic about them, not in the least because of who they are and their core values.

No, I've never said he obtained the Piaget gifts for free and I'm not operating under that assumption. That possibility was only floated because juzagurl, who's an expert on these matters, suggested it since Siwon endorses the brand. Now we know for sure that Liu Wen went to a Tiffany's store in Beijing and bought those gifts herself; we're still not entirely sure about Siwon, but I doubt he acquired his gifts for free as well. I only said I would personally have a problem with my boyfriend giving me free stuff as gifts, but if Liu Wen is A-OK with it, then good for her.

My point of contention is that they made sure they were seen in public wearing those gifts while the show was running, but after it was over, nothing. I cannot think of an entirely satisfactory explanation why they would do that if they're together, so that does set at least a distant sound of alarm bells ringing in my head.

And evidence to indicate they're not together goes beyond official stances and statements; of course, we have evidence to suggest otherwise, too, or we'd lose all hope, but I'd like to point out that all such supportive evidence is entirely subjective, so there's still an equally good chance that they aren't a couple as the likelihood that they are.

 

 

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

And no, there is nothing wrong with discussing the past, but if it is a discussion that has already been negated at least in terms of their intent towards each other, then why bother bringing it up? 

Ah, but it hasn't really been negated, has it? Looking at it objectively, there's plenty of obvious, 'official' evidence to indicate they're not a couple, so who's to say what their intent is towards each other? Certainly, the fact that they only wore the gifts while the show was on air points towards what the real situation may be like, which is why I brought it up; I can think of no plausible explanation why they'd do that if they're really together. When you think about it, we've had no direct, explicit evidence that they're truly a couple; all we have to go on we've had to read between the lines to acquire.

Obviously, there's a good chance they're together and I'm hoping that they are or I wouldn't be here, but I think it does no harm in talking about the possibility that they might not be, and that includes bringing in evidence such as the gifts to bolster that theory.

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Siwon had connections with Piaget before the show, it was only natural that he went with Piaget for his gifts to Liu Wen. Think about it this way, due to his connection with Piaget, it would have been odd if he had chosen a different brand.  He could have got the rings at the discounted price or even for free, however, in this case, it is the thoughts that count.  Sometimes we say that because it is convenient, however, in this case, I truly believe it is fitting and it does not diminish the sentiment associated with the rings.  Piaget is known for its watches, he could have chosen a pair of watches to go along with a romantic message, instead, he chose rings and had them engraved. 

Well, different strokes for different folks. If he got those gifts for free for whatever reason, that does diminish the sentiment behind the gifting, at least for me. I know I'd be darn peeved if my boyfriend gave me free stuff as presents. And it's not about whether he can afford it or not; it's just the idea of it that I don't like. It's like when Liu Wen cooked for Siwon on the show - would it have meant as much had she bought food for him? The sentiment behind the act isn't entirely diminished, but it means a heck of a lot more that she rustled up something herself.

And I wasn't aware that we should be oh so forward-thinking and never discuss the past in this thread. It's not like the gifts are being talked about out of the blue; the topic was jogged by the news of Siwon's Piaget CF. The convenient timing of the wearing of the gifts is relevant, and joins a long list of obvious, 'official' evidence (the "single" statements fall in this category) that they aren't together, as opposed to the indirect body of clues teased out by shippers who hopefully aren't just seeing what they want to when reading between the lines. If we're to talk about only the future, good luck in keeping this thread alive when Siwon starts his enlistment and goes completely dark; there'd be virtually no news about them as a couple for two years or more.

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

It's tiring to see people constantly going on and on and on about such things. Maybe I've not made my stand clear here, so I'll just say it, if they're together it's all good, if not, just move on, even the wedded can get divorced. I will simply follow what my heart feels about what they're willing to share with us. And yes you are right, I am not them so I know nothing more than the average fan, which is why I've always been much more supportive of their careers and seldom put both of them together in the same picture, unless it's been made obvious such as the MBC entertainment news. To put it bluntly, they drop me a candy, I am a CP fan, otherwise, I'm a career fan.

People have NOT been going on and on about such things in this thread, at least not for a while. No one has mentioned anything about the gifts in ages. Just because you get all het up over what transpires on Chinese-language forums, please don't transfer that attitude over here as it's not the same.

And I do think it's relevant that they ALWAYS had the gifts on at public events while the show was running, but as soon as it was over we never saw those gifts again. That strikes a bad note with me - what, so they want us to think that they're a couple while the show is on air but as soon as it's over, they don't want us to think that? To me, it's a relevant concern, and doubts about the relationship should be allowed in this thread without people wringing their hands and getting all melodramatic about it. If there's cause to be positive, be positive, and if there's cause to be negative, be negative - it's as simple as that.

As for putting them both together in the same picture, um, that's what this thread is for! This thread is about them jointly and their relationship (supposed or otherwise). If this were a fashion forum and I was in the Liu Wen thread, you wouldn't hear a peep about Siwon from me. I also want to point out that we aren't privy to a lot of what's disseminated on Chinese-language forums; for example, this is the first time we're hearing that someone called up Tiffany's in Beijing and confirmed that Liu Wen bought those gifts herself. If we'd known that all along, there'd never have been any doubts about the intention behind the gift-giving, at least on Liu Wen's part.

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Gosh, LW's Tiffany gifts were all bought by her at a Beijing store, Tiffany's staff already confirmed that a long time ago. PERIOD. SW most likely bought those Piaget accessories himself too. Why are you getting so worked up over these. These things do not mean much in comparison to the true feelings that they've been showing all along. If you need hard evidence, sorry, they are not obliged to provide you with any. 

@juzagal Sorry dear I have no idea what campaign that shooting was for. I've been wondering about that too. Nevertheless, it's great news that there are more campaigns to come for S/S 2016. She's gonna skyrocket and move up that Forbes list next year. Now, I'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed that she'll endorse a blue chip.

I thought so too, but juzagurl's post intimated that they might have gotten those gifts for free since they have endorsement deals with those brands. Since juzagurl works in the relevant industry, I'll yield to her expertise on these matters.

And I'm not getting worked up over anything. For someone who exhorted shippers to treat this as a fun ride and not to take everything so seriously, you certainly seem to be getting huffy and puffy when someone dares to suggest that at least some aspects of what we saw on the show might've been just that, for show. Sorry, dear, but you don't know any more than we do, and there's as good a chance that they aren't together as the likelihood that they are. In fact, if we're to go strictly by what's 'official', they are not a couple as both have publicly stated that they're currently single.  

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

welll sorry to tell you but i really think its an endorse stuff. It is not product placement because we cannot see the brand name in the TV show, but usually brand ambassador get a free stuff from the brand, they can use it for themselves or give it to other  people to show their support towards the brand. Endorsement deal is a deal between the artist and the brand, so TV crew and the program has  nothing  to do with it.. so endorsement  but not TV sponsorship or product placement... if siwon and liuwen get married. . I really think they will cease all the opportunity to monetize it as well. I think they are just a very business minded people. . Haha.. and why not do it anyway if you have the offer? Imagine if they have kid. The kid might be on an ad campaign since birth  

Ick...so all the gifts we saw on the show are stuff they got for free? That cheapens (literally!) the sentiment behind the gift-giving, I must say. Didn't we get word that they bought and paid for the gifts with their own money, though? And yeah, like I said, it's so...ick...that while the show was running, they ensured that they were spotted wearing the gifts all the time, but as soon as the show ended...you'd think the clock had ticked twelve and the coach had turned into a pumpkin.

is he done filming the drama ? If hes not.. most likely it will be impossible... one more thing, abt siwon being super busy. . I really do think Liu Wen is perfectly  fine with it. Because she is a workaholic too, i think in terms of works and business they do have similar perspective and opinion,  i don't think LW is the type of girl that waiting her man to call all the time, or nagging towards him, since she have a lot of work and goals to achieve for herself.. like i really do think he meet his match in terms of busyness and work ethic..  i think the challenge will truly  comes when siwon enlisting since he will have a relatively more structured schedule, (repetitive schedule everyday) while LW prolly will still be busy as ever and might be more busy if she decides to pursue more  stuff other than modelling .. while she have all the opportunity coming to her..  

She can't be perfectly fine with it because SW explicitly said so in the latest interview: "She'd be okay with it for 1-2 months, but after that...women are all the same". He was bemoaning that a (prospective?) partner would find it hard to cope with his life as an idol. And c'mon, we know he's talking about LW. I don't know why some seem to think he's got so much experience with women; it's clear that LW is the first real girlfriend he's ever had. First girl he's introduced his dad to...first girl he's gone on a holiday with...those 'exes' certainly don't live up to the definition, if you ask me. They're both neophytes at romance, virgins in every sense of the word, and that makes their relationship so touching.

I don't think LW is the clingy type either, but it is only natural for her to want to spend more time with him in order for the relationship to grow. Virtual communication just doesn't cut it in terms of truly getting to know someone better, and LDR can work, but there's usually a solid foundation, a significant period of time spent together before the relationship is cemented and a separation follows. I'm not sure SW & LW had that as they've really spent very little time together when you think about it (she even complains about this in the COTC). The second time she was in Seoul, she was only there for a few days, not even a week...I don't think the trip to Guam lasted for a full week, either. And don't even mention the latest get-together in Seoul.

So yes, it's fairly clear that LW has an issue with SW hardly being able to spend any time with her, and who can blame her for feeling that way? As I said before, he'll have to prioritize what's most important to him if the relationship is to move forward. I suspect LW is far too level-headed and too much of a realist to be ready for a lifetime commitment after just a few TV dates even if it's a pop idol who's squiring her.

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

I wonder why they choose this time to release the CF ? I suspect there is "something" here =))

 Have you ever seen an idol who shooting CF for couple ring? Especially when he put it on his ring's finger. He wants to prepare

mental for fans? As Liuwen, she also shot only with necklace ..When seeing the ring on his finger, i only think that its only for Liuwen LW possess

his heart,haha. 

Better not read too much into the ad since there's another woman in it whom Siwon meant the ring for.  I wonder if Piaget hired Siwon to endorse this collection because he showcased it on the show, or if it's the other way around? We know Liu Wen's association with Tiffany's stretches from a few years back.

Anyway, I'm not too thrilled to see these endorsements because they remind me of the fake commerciality of the show; that all we saw might've been nothing more than product placement. It's significant that we haven't seen them wearing any of the gifts we saw on the show since it ended, and I doubt it's due to some concerted effort either.

And great news that she's remaining in East Asia at least until the 29th...just stay there for one or two weeks more and we might get what we want.  I wonder if she's normally back in NYC at this time, and she's hanging around in Asia now because she's 'on call' waiting to fly a certain somewhere?

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Thanks for the rough translation. The reporter must've done her homework and would've wanted to ask about the realness of the relationship with Liu Wen, but of course we know why she didn't. "Ok with it for 1-2 months, but after that, it is tough... women are all the same" - he's likely referring to Liu Wen here, IMO. Yes, darling, women are all the same in that we want to spend more time with a person in order for that relationship to grow instead of just going on a few TV dates and being satisfied that we're now in a "relationship". We're a strange breed, aren't we?

Liu Wen is probably thinking, you have more than enough wealth, fame...what's the need to still continually devote yourself to your professional life for? If you have no time for your girlfriend and spend most if not all of it on your career and appeasing your fans, then you've clearly made your choice as to what is most important. It totally isn't wrong if he has made that choice, but don't expect the lonely and insecure girlfriend to take absolutely no issue with it.

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Meh, I never for a second thought he was referring to anyone but himself. I'm trying to picture Liu Wen making that sort of post after receiving such fulsome compliments from fans, and I can't because I know she regards herself as an insignificant person who just happened to fall into the world of fashion. She's not full of herself, to put it bluntly.

I'm reminded of the first episode when the band members asked SW & LW about their first impressions of one another, and SW responded by praising LW's beauty; she looked genuinely embarrassed when he did so. On the other hand, SW looked a bit miffed when LW began by praising his Chinese; he appeared a tad more pleased when she mentioned his looks, though!  And no, I didn't need the captions to clue me in as to how he was feeling!

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Sadly, that's no confirmation of the relationship - what's revelatory about magazine covers on his character's desk? I suppose there's no way he could talk about being in a relationship since he's already publicly stated that he's single. And if anyone thought the nods to Liu Wen were the staff's idea rather than Siwon's, I'd be at a loss for words.

If we don't get Kao-like videos on Jan. the 28th, we'll be in for such an interminably long fallow period that many of us might fall off the shipper train. As it is, it'll be a particularly dry autumn if there are no whispers of a meet-up from now until the enlistment. Thanks to the idiotic fans and media, we probably shouldn't expect any hints on our couple's SNSs.

Now, we need to find a way to tie Liu Wen down in the East Asian region until Nov. the 19th...

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

No, the outfit doesn't look familiar to me; it's just her standard tomboy getup. Should it be?

And wow, does that team of hers follow her around wherever she goes? She doesn't seem to have any privacy, any alone time at all. Unless of course she's still working, then they'd have reason to be with her...but that's kind of sad too because then it seems like she's working all the time.

I'm also surprised to see that people are still in doubt as to why Ms. Ren issued that statement. Um, what else could the press have misconstrued that would cause Ms. Ren to go into damage control mode? That Liu Wen prefers Gucci over Louis Vuitton, perhaps? And what is it that those of us who know will know, and no further explanation is necessary? That Liu Wen actually prefers women, maybe?

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Ooh, thanks all for the latest goodies! I did think it was awfully coincidental when I heard he was playing a fashion magazine editor since he's involved with a fashion model in real life, so these shout-outs to Liu Wen don't surprise me one bit!  Maybe the fashion magazine editor idea was Siwon's, or perhaps he accepted the role (at least in part) because he'd get to play one? Either way, I bet he talked about it with Liu Wen beforehand.  Dare we hope she might've filmed a cameo for a future episode while she was in Seoul? Or would that be too obvious and might result in mass suicides, so they figured let's scratch that?

These nods to Liu Wen and the H&M campaign should be enough to put the idea that they're just a fake couple to rest, but see how they compound matters by making those "single" remarks?  This is why I think Ms. Ren issued that statement to clarify Liu Wen's response in the SELF interview, for what else but the relationship would spur Ms. Ren to go into damage control for fear that the status of it had been misrepresented? And would H&M have really applied any pressure? They're afraid that consumers won't buy their clothes because the CNY campaign is predicated on SW & LW being a real couple, or at least appearing to be one?

 

 

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

LW's manager, Ms. Ren, posted the below weibo update.

@迷死任

很多时候不想无病呻吟，但是今天还是想说点：无论说什么，都会被媒体断章取义；想说点真心话，都会被听到的人选择性传播。所以，以后选择什么都不说，不解释。我相信清者自清！

 

I have a deadline to meet and my eyes are bothering me... @liddi, could you please translate.  But the gist is that: She usually chooses to keep silent, however, today, she wanted to say something.  The media has been selective in what to publish (i.e. taking things out of context).  Wanted to shared something real (I guess by LW)  with the readers, but media was selective in what to share... so in the future, we choose to saying nothing.  No explanation from us, I believe those who can see things through know. 

Not sure exactly what she is talking about, but there is a good chance it is the SELF interview... I thought that was the biggest news in ShiLiu fandom today. (But she could be referring to something entirely different) 

Well.

I'll wait for liddi's translation, but just going by your gist it basically seals the deal. This is as good as a confirmation of the relationship. She could only be talking about the SELF interview and LW's response to the "single" question - it is what has caused the latest online uproar and led to the potential closure of mun+won. We know that LW and her team are affiliated with mun+won or at least peruse it, so they have good reason to ensure that its owner isn't harassed and that the source isn't shut down. LW may even have wanted to issue this clarification herself, but that would be too obvious, so Ms. Ren had to step in. What other interview with LW was released today, and what subject other than her supposed relationship with SW is so sensitive that in the future they'd say nothing about it? Other than her relationship status, there is nothing else about LW or her personal life that, if taken out of context, would cause her manager to go into damage control and issue this statement.

"No explanation from us, I believe those who can see things through know" - Ms. Ren is referring to us here, the shippers who know where things stand with SW & LW, who can read between the lines, and who understand why they have to be so secretive about their relationship.

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Yeah, this is basically no big revelation from LW because SW said it first. If he hadn't, I think we'd pretty much react the same way now as we did then. Actually, it'd be bad if they're saying opposite things from one another because that'd mean there's no communication between them, no discussions as to what the joint agreement should be. And say LW had answered that she's attached, she'd be inviting speculation and further questioning as to who her partner is, and she must want to avoid that.

There's also a possibility that they aren't really lying when they tell the public that they're single. After all, as SW said, who knows, right? Two years is a long time, they can't really conduct an active relationship during that period so feelings may waver, LW may meet Godfrey Gao , anything can happen, really. If rumors are to be believed, it's LW who wants to adopt this cautious approach which is understandable considering she's got the most to lose if she now makes the ultimate commitment to this man. Not SW...he won't be meeting any eligible ladies for a long while yet. 

So, for now they're "single", but the proof will be in the pudding. Don't listen to their words; if LW seems to be leading a conspicuously single life for the next two years, we'll all know what to expect once SW emerges from service, right?    

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

 Yes, that will be great,  Someone said her name was mentioned with other world famous celebrities, 

However, I just saw on  Siwonliuwen IG, she said Liu Wen said she was singled when asked point blank, and followed up with it is pathetic, isn't it?  Has anyone seen this? or just a rumor? this does not seem to sync with all the other interviews we saw yesterday. 

Your use of the word "singled" led me to believe Liu Wen had been singled out for something.  I assume that was a typo and you meant "single".

Well, since Siwon has already declared himself single, it isn't really a major bomb that Liu Wen would say the same thing. If Siwon says he is single and we have Liu Wen saying she's attached, people would start to think that Singaporean boyfriend really does exist.  We've basically gotten so many conflicting signals from these two that until I hear from an official source that either one is dating someone else, I'm just going to assume that they are together.

In all likelihood, they've jointly agreed to declare themselves single at least until after Siwon finishes his service. It's a smart move, IMO; helps to kill interest that will further dwindle with Siwon being absent from public life for two years. If there really is nothing between them and they're presenting a front as a couple for that H&M campaign, they're basically admitting that they did it just for the money and/or exposure.

 

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Interesting...a Korean poster on Liu Wen's IG reported that her name was mentioned on Siwon's drama. For those of us who are loath to watch it, it'd be much appreciated if viewers could let us know who said it and under what context.

This must have been Siwon's idea - the man just can't contain himself, can he?

[|WGM Chinese Version| We Are In Love - BF Choi Siwon |SUJU| and GF Liu Wen |Victoria Secret Model|]

Ms. Ren said " Could you please keep your questions pertinent to the brand/products, otherwise...."  then she stopped and LW took over by saying "leave it to fate..." 

Thanks. They shouldn't even have been asking her those questions, not at an event like that and considering why she's there. The questions are so bizarrely irrelevant, and yet they can't help being salacious because everyone wants to know about her and Siwon!  The same thing happened with Siwon on his recent press tour in Greater China except that Liu Wen was mentioned by name. It's almost as if the press thinks that they're together; it's sort of taken for granted, so it's like, "We won't ask you that question, we'll keep your secret, but that won't stop us from talking about it without actually talking about it!".

I notice other top models are also in China at the moment for the various Fashion Weeks held there; names like Kendall Jenner (ugh), even Paris Hilton (double ugh)...I hope Liu Wen will be able to catch up with old friends like Joan Smalls. It'd be lovely if the two Estee Lauder spokespersons shoot something for the brand in Liu's native land. Speaking of EL, Liu looks just gorgeous in their 2015 F/W: