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Enjoying the shows, but today . . .
Accusing someone who attempts suicide of being selfish is just beyond decency.
People who attempt suicide are either in so much emotional or psychological pain that they think they or the world would be better without them in it.
And worse, this was said to a hospice patient, a patient in pain who has no hope of recovery.
You would think that a hospice would have better protocol to deal with suicidal patients.
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I'll always give Gong Hyo Jim dramas a try because she has not disappointed me as yet. Even when the writing is basic, her work is interesting.
Since the handsome good man is the obvious choice, I'm hoping the less handsome petty/stingy guy wins. Lol.
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I'm really enjoying the motherandchild reunion arc.
I have one question. Is it possible for Koreans to fall in love with someone who they didn't know in childhood and then forgot about?
I mean really . . .
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An amazing beginning led to a disappointing end.
Despite that, a generally nice episode overall.
No even a half our on a 360 of Ahn Bo-Hyun wet naked body could make for for them choosing that tired kdrama trope of the of the delayed true feeling revelation.
It's been a while since I've watched a Korean rom-com with scheming 2nd leads.
Let's hope they don't stay in oldtropeland for too long.
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at 2:05 I was jumping up and down.
Consent
Consent
Consent in a kdrama.
3:01 bubble burst--it was all a dream. No consent.
Arrgg
At least they manage to prove that consent can be as sexy as hell
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Just saw Episode 10.
I've got to say I'm relishing the firing of Choi Jin-Chul. I hope it is brutal.
Enjoying the Secretary/Snail slow romance.
As a black person, I'm looking at all the episodes of breaking entering by Jin-Hyeok and I'm like . . .
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trivial observation here.
The uniforms for the hotel front desk staff are so gorgeous I want to go work there. Well not work exactly, but wear the uniforms.
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This drama strikes me as a contemporary fairytale complete with wicked stepmothers (who are technically mother and mother-in-law).
What I'm finding charming about the story is that except for the wicket stepmothers, everyone behaves as decent human being doing thing that in other dramas could be construed as being against their best interests.
The fact that Hey-In is doing what's best for Jin-Hyeok instead of fanning her hopes that she could be his girl is surprising sane. She is not supporting Jin-Hyeok's relationship with Soo-Hyun, she is supporting him.
The same can be said about Woo-Seok. He is not supporting Soo-Hyun and Jin-Hyeok, but he is supporting Soo-Hyun, even if that means he ends up without her.
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I'm so glad folks are enjoying the show.
I'm enjoying the show, but in ways I hadn't anticipated.
I came for BoGum but I find that Jang Seung-Jo as Jung Woo-Seok that has me fascinated. While I'm not shipping Woo-Seok with Soo-Hyun, I feel his pain for the lost opportunity for that relationship. If love is an action, he has been loving Soo-Hyun for a while but somehow never was able to let her understand his feelings. I think so far all his interventions, from the divorce on, has been to set Soo-Hyun free, which is what he thinks she wanted.
BoGum is lovely as usual. I usually fine with the age differences between adults in drama, so long as the couple seem to have similar emotional ages. Jin-Hyeok's youth is apparent and his lack of world experience is obvious. I'm looking forward to his growth over the course of the drama.
It's a familiar story in drama, rich-wounded-closed off enchanted by cute/less financially resourced/optimistic youth. The difference is which gender is the rich/suave city person and who is the "Candy."
Usually when Candy is a girl, there is more trauma in the back story.
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On 12/7/2018 at 7:35 AM, gumtaek said:Spoiler
Interesting that while the writer of the article did an insightful piece about the language used in the drama the thing that stood out most to me is the sense that the writer of the drama is subtly preparing the audience for an ending where the couple does not end up together. "I believe it is meaningful when a person lets someone else in his/her heart, even if it's only for a brief moment."
I may well be wrong, since I do not speak Korean, but that's where the translation guided my thinking.
The article made me think about a nice bit of analysis that was posted after the first week the drama aired comparing it to Roman Holiday. That's a rom-com where the encounter had to be enough because the couple could not end together.
I'm hoping that I will be able to enjoy the drama as it unfolds and avoid predictive analysis.
This week's episodes have been making me do something I haven't done in quite a while.
When I had the time and focus to read novels I'd sometimes come across one where my affection for characters would have me cringe every time they seem to be putting themselves in a situation that would lead a hurt or humiliation. Just before that would happen I'd have to close the book and walk away because I wouldn't bear to be in the presence of their pain.
This week I had to take a break from the last 10 minutes of both episodes. Once Jin Hyuk borrowed his hyung's truck and headed out I had to leave the story until the next day when episode 4 was available. On Thursday I had to take an hour break from the story as the Jin Hyuk watch the vultures descend as Soon Hyun was leaving workand I could sense the tension in him as he debated with himself if he should take action.
In both instances the outcome was way better than I'd feared, but I suspect I might continue to abandon the last ten minutes of the show until my heart settles down and is prepared to deal with whatever comes.
At Staff: I tried to remove the pictures, except for the one with the text I was referring to, but the system wouldn't allow me to.
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Episode 2, was fun [Skipped one because I can't always find the patience for the set up, though PGB's hair was great. Read a recap and I'll watch it later.]
Seriously drunk KJH was a hoot. CSH is a good sport. Sorry but I am not eating unwrapped food from someone's pocket. I was expecting her to put the dried squid in a special place as a treasured memory.
I've been thinking about Korean black cap of invisibility. In every drama K-drama [Shout out to Terrius or whoever is behind me and The Beauty Within] the folks use black caps like a wizarding coat of invisibility to great effect. I guess the cap doesn't work that well on women.
Has anyone ever seen PBG dance. They edited in the dance sequences as if he cannot dance, or at least as if he cannot move his feet in time with the music. It seemed like a weird choice.
Have the series clarified the age difference. He've aged PBG up to 29 for KJH, but I don't see as age for CSH.
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I'm curious.
We are at episode 12.
The kidnapping/family upheaval storyline is resolved.
The couple are together
What is there to do plotwise for the next four episode.
Curious
and eager to see where the writer takes this.
Maybe MiSo father objects . . .
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I have to sign on to the general consensus that the child actors were awesome.
I am so glad the child actor playing SungHyun/Young Joon didn't have to share two shots scene with the kidnapper when she was in full crazy mode. Therefore he didn't really have to act with her (props to the video editor for creating such heart wrenching performances from the children's work). I'n not sure what he was responding to but he was terrific, as was young MiSo.
All the actors in the kidnapping memory were terrific. The actor playing the kidnapper was magnificent. Her crazy was grounded and organic. It easy to get playing crazy wrong which makes it hard for an audience to watch, she was riveting.
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I hope the issue between the brother, or Young Joon's issue with his brother is a misunderstanding.
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I'm so glad this came along because the other drama's I've been counting on have been lackluster.
I'm not sure what it going on, but I suspect that Secretary Kim accidentally made him LJY into the man he is today. I notice in the flashback he didn't have same hard shell of belief in his perfection.
It would be ironic if he unconsciously became "perfect" for her and the end result alienated her.
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Curious
Does anyone uses Kocowa.com to stream?
How is it?
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22 hours ago, akhenaten said:
Guys, I have a confession to make: this drama affected and influenced me so much that I replaced my iPhone with a Samsung Galaxy S9. Park Dong Hoon is such an effective endorser! Too bad they didn’t have it in his shade of dark blue. I’m planning to check out the supermarket for that Maxim coffee next. As to Quiznos, uhm, maybe for my next lunch?
uhm. I forgot to ask the attendant at the store if I’ll get to hear Dong Hoon’s voice on that phone.
What about the vacuum cleaner? Did you get that?
Personally I bought sox. Watching JiAn go through winter with bare ankles made me go buy sox. [and i live in the tropics. lol]
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I've decide to finish the drama in the way that suits me.
For me it is a story of human goodness, human deep connection, and a human philanthropic love on the part of Donghoon and first love hero-worship JiAn.
Personally I would have preferred a reconciliation between Donghoon and YH [I don't need any lectures on how I am wrong to even want that. ] I think what YH did was wrong, but not irredeemable [from a western standpoint]. But I will bow to South Koreans with deeper cultural knowledge on the consequences of her behavior. There are elements that weren't spelt out that folks within the culture know as a given.
-The drama did not want them together. For me JiAn's overwhelming invasion of privacy is as, perhaps more problematic than YH's affair. [But then I'm obsessive about privacy.]
-The drama wanted JiAn redeemed so it showed us why she made her questionable decision. They did not want YH behavior to be seen through a sympathetic light so they don't provide any justification for her choices. They do however paint her as a decent human being who made a very bad decision.
-Even though adultery is no longer technically a crime, I'm sure the stigma still remains. I never thought how it would affect YH career.
-From what I read in forum, her professional reputation is probably in shreds, and finding work must be an issue. The adultery is probably so public a matter win a conservative country that a healthy happily ever after would be a uphill battle.
-Although I think anyone who loves DongHoo [except his Mom and a non-therapy improved KH] will go with his decision, it is clear that the society he lives in would not support a reconciliation.
-As much as I love the way that neighborhood nurture's its residence, I feel as if the brothers are emotionally co-joined in a very unhealthy way. There was too much emotional dependence on DongHoon and the other men seem emotionally stunted for him to create healthy independent relationship.
-[This is projection, I'm sure] SH and KH gave so many problems that there was never any room in his home for his issues. I think the greatest undiscussed injustice was Donghoon separation from his best friend. In that case JH grief took up so much space in the neighborhood it left no room for Donghoon to grieve. The most relax and communicative I saw him was in the presence of his best friend.
-[No one will agree on me with this, which is fine I don't need them to.] I think Donghoon's mother won't regret the break in his marriage and I believe she made it difficult, if not impossible for YH to become a part of the family. Donghoon was the neighborhood's star that carried all its hope. I'm not sure why Donghoon's mother though that YH was a competition for him, and was ultimately better than him. But DH's mother never wanted anyone "better'" than him to eclipse his star. For her, YH eclipsed Donghoon's star.
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3 hours ago, nearsea said:
@hushhh I am really sorry, I wasn't thinking about your comment when I added this line. I apologize. I think I was writing this in reply to someone who said some pages back that how ji an is not fit for someone of dong hoon's age as he's past his prime [?]. So kindly ignore my post. My original point was that I don't find romantic love any less meaningful than any other type of love.
It's fine.
Thanks for the clarification. I was taken aback and did not want to start anything which is why I "spoiled" my response.j
In general I try not to write about people (even fictional ones) in that way. In the vernacular "not fit" is very different from "not suitable" so rarely talk about people like that. Not never, but rarely.
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From my perspective the reason MY Mister works better as a philanthropic love than romantic love is that romantic love makes the story smaller than it seems. There is nothing unexpected about caring or going out of your way for someone you love. It is a much more hopeful story when someone, when a community goes out of his/its way for a relative stranger because that stranger is a human being.
3 hours ago, nearsea said:I don't understand why romantic love would make the story look smaller. IMO you are looking down at romantic love tbh. Of course whether you see romance or not that's a different question but saying romance or love between two is something trifling, silly or vain or nothing to write home about, I find that a bit too extreme. Even if people don't want to acknowledge Dong Hoon's feelings, they will have to admit that for Ji An, Dong Hoon has been one true love. She risked her life for him and for a certain period her only wish was to see him happy , she hanged on to his breath, his words like her only lifeline. I don't think that's just out of philanthropic concern.
In any case I myself personally think that their love for each other made them go beyond the superficial territories of bodily love, lust that people these days think 'love' is all about. True love will make you wish each other happiness, joy in life whether you stay in each other's arms or not. Although in my mind they would be together but true love would be like selfless and honest as Ji An's was for Dong Hoon. I don't see the insignificance in that. To say love between two people is selfish then I guess even a mom's love for her child is selfish lol. Love is not a vulgar thing , it goes beyond superficial attraction towards good visuals if anything . But of course each to their own.
@nearsea I have no idea why your response reads as if it is responding to a personal attack on you or your belief system--It is not.
I have no idea why your response reads as if it is defending romantic love from my attack, since I did not attack romantic love.
Your opinions are your own, however, from my perspective I've done nothing to support it. I'm not sure where you found the words "trifling", "silly", "nothing to write home about" or "vulgar" used pertaining to romantic love in my post. It unfortunate that you find something "too extreme," but I don't know where you found that extremity, because it was not in my post.
While I'm not looking down on romantic love, I'm sure you would agree that in a free world it would be my right to do so, since I am not hurting anyone nor am I insisting that anyone give up their adherence to the idea/ideal of romantic love.
Yes, I saw and acknowledged JiAn feelings for DongHoon and acknowledge it in the post you excerpted.
I have no issues with romantic love in dramas. 99% of the k-drama's I watch (and discuss on Soompi) have romantic love at their center.
The explanation of what I meant by "romantic love" making THIS STORY small is explained in the excerpt you posted but I'll try again. While "I" and "me" and a very specific "you" is intrinsic to romantic love, philanthropic love is focused on a generalized humanity.
Quote: True love will make you wish each other happiness, joy in life whether you stay in each other's arms or not. Although in my mind they would be together but true love would be like selfless and honest as Ji An's was for Dong Hoon. I don't see the insignificance in that. To say love between two people is selfish then I guess even a mom's love for her child is selfish lol.
I'm not sure what a mother's love for a child has to do with romantic love unless you are making that a [weird] parallel between DongHoon and JiAn.
Yes, true romantic lovers are generous to each other, a love between two people is a beautiful, warm, small circle, just large enough to hold two. Small.
Philanthropic love tend to embrace a generalize humanity, much larger.
The Marriage Contract is a beautiful story of romantic love, that I never once saw as a story of philanthropic love.
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Thank you to the writer, director, actors, cinematographers, boom guys, lighting guys, the Korean version of craft services, and all the loverly skills and crafts that allow this thing of beauty to exist into the world on the same timeline and me.
It is hard to write about something as satisfying and as well-executed as this.
The healing.
It seems as if everyone was finding their true path after some deviation.
The Monk confronted his guilt and set himself free.
JH got her proper goodbye and moved on.
GI took a step back into being the person he might have been had JiAn not killed his father.
SH experienced the glory of generosity and was accepted back into his marriage.
Yo-Ra hasn't accepted that KH has dumped her and keeps trying to bring him back into the business
KH is trying to ignore the siren call of film making but on realizing that the best part YR's performance actually comes from his direction of her, KH as decided to accept his faith. [He still strikes that he'd be a nightmare to work with unless he gets some therapy]
DongHoon got dragged into a fight that the didn't want, won and left the spoils behind.
I was right about Donghoon and the directorship. It was a job designed to make him miserable. I was sure he'd get it and quit. The scandal with his wife probably moved up the timetable. I'm glad he got his team with him.
The corporate culture was toxic. Even the people who were "on his side" was ready to use him as fodder. They tried to force him to go up for the directorship when they know he wasn't interested.
DongHoon and JiAn.
[Not the authoritative point of view, just my own---no one need agree or try to bring me to their truth]
JiAn loves Donghoon with a combination of hero-worship and first love. The separation was essential for her to grow as a member of society and be able to meet him as an equal.
I still don't see DongHoon's feeling toward JiAn as a romantic yearning.
At their reunion Donghoon reminds of a teacher seeing a bright but troubled student with all the cards stacked against them who the teacher had worked with and prayed on but lost touch with, and after a while to student return to say they are about to graduate Stanford Law and the teacher is just about to bust.
I can't really explain, but there are students who teachers carry deep within their hearts because something about that student allowed you to be the best teacher/human being possible.
I acknowledge that the ending is ambiguous. I felt that hand shake was way too long. It seems as if Donghoon forgot he was holding JiAn's hand. That is food for the My Mister romance group.
DongHoon's marriage seems in stasis. He hasn't gotten a divorce and doesn't seem to be moving in that direction. But he also will not be joining his wife in the States.
I think it is interesting that the pictures DH has in his office is of his wife and son. If the marriage was over, I'd expect him to only have pictures of his son, especially since his team already knows of his wife's affair and he doesn't have to keep up appearances in front of them.
I think YH was right to ask that they move away from the neighborhood for the sake of their marriage. It a great neighborhood, but it takes as well as gives. YH was never able to fit in than neighborhood. I'm also not sure if DongHoon had not inherited that neighborhood he would have fit in either.
When KH too YR he could be with her because DH was sad, I realize that the connections between the brothers was too much.
If SH and KH both develop full independent lives, which at the end they seem on their way to doing, YH cannot fit into that family, I don't think.
I guess we can all give DongHoon the ending we want him to have.
From my perspective the reason MY Mister works better as a philanthropic love than romantic love is that romantic love makes the story smaller than it seems. There is nothing unexpected about caring or going out of your way for someone you love. It is a much more hopeful story when someone, when a community goes out of his/its way for a relative stranger because that stranger is a human being.
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There is no evidence to back of JiAn version of events because the recording are all gone--she said. JiAn probably erased them to protect DongHoon, but that doesn't explain why she erased DY's stuff.
Anyhooo. . .
I think GI will come through for her and that will be his healing/redemptive storyline.
Because without those tapes DY will most certainly throw her under the bus and reverse it a few times over her. :/
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Love #15.
There was so much to love.
As ever, random thoughts.
I could do a book chapter on #15 (which is my favorite episode so far) but I won't. There is so much to unpack, chew on, luxuriate in. Delicious.
Now that Park DongHoon has become director it just exacerbates my concern that it's not a job to make hims happy.
Poor Chairman who is as smart as a whip and as humane as they come. He finally get Donghoon to eat with him only to have Donghoon try and quit.
I know Donghoon thinks he has to quit because of the crapstorm he expect when everything is revealed, but I also think he doesn't want the job. Instead of doing "directoring" in his new office he's back in his old seat where he belongs.
I'm often aware that whatever I'm experiencing is mediated through someone's translations so what I experience might well be the subtitler bias rather than the creative teams intent, but it's the best I can do.
Interesting. The first time I thought was was a possibility of romance for JiAn and DongHoon was when YH was talking about JiAn efforts to protect DongHoon. The way DongHoon took in the information was interesting.
Someone wrote that DongHoon "friendzoned" JiAn. I think he "youthzoned" her.
Aftern DongHoon talk with YH I noticed not only did he "youthzone" JiAn, he almost always presented he and YH as a team ready to fight for her.
The best use of "thank you" in a drama that I can remember.
The two reunion speeches, at the small apartment and at the hospital were amazing. Wonderfully written and marvelously delivered. There is so much to say about it that I don't really want to start because it will take me hours to finish.
This quote: "If you get to know a person, if you get to know them, nothing they do really bother you, and I know you." [I don't personally prescribe to that belief, but it works in this drama.]
This quote: "I felt as if I saw what a human being was for the first time."
Forgiveness is an amazing gift. This blesses the giver and the receiver.
Although I don't agree with Portia's manipulations, she does have a point.
The quality of mercy is not strained;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest; I
t blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
‘T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
When mercy seasons justice.
Love them making fun of the overused trope of the poor ragamuffin being related to the richest most powerful person in the story who has spent the entire drama looking for her secretly while she has been under his nose.
I want to be reborned in this neighborhood. --JiAn finally have a home.
They did a great job casting the girl who played young JiAn. It was a good face match.
DongHoon hair looked "off" today. Almost as if becoming a director gave him helmet head. Also he seemed to have been wearing so much more clothes than anyone else.
OMG, did someone disappeared Yoon? Did I miss something? Where did he go?
Now that DongHoon has eaten with the chairmain, my last desire from this drama is that someone, anyone, will buy JiAn a pair of sox. Perhaps YR will bring her sox when she brings her pretty clothes.
Unless the Monk is unhappy on his mountain [and he doesn't seem to be] i hope he stays up there. Everyone is responsible for their own happiness. There might have been a better way for him to have ended his relationship with JH, but he isn't obligated to sacrifice his happiness for hers.
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Still don't know how the show is going to turn out, but if the follows from what's been reported about #15 the likelihood of a romance is slim.
I hope that this won't cause folks to trashing the show because they didn't get what they want, or if they do they put it under a spoiler eye.
As I've said several times I saw love but didn't see romance. I think I said once that I wasn't even sure I'd seen it coming from JiAn. She loves him, and she may assume it was romantic, but I never saw the sexual passion that so many saw emanating from her to him. From my perspective sexual passion is a core component of contemporary romance. The closest idea of romance they seem engage in was from the idea of courtly love that is about a meeting of the mind and spiritual ideals that one one or another reason isn't physicalized.
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Grading and being sick and sleep deprived have broken me a little and my thought are more fragmented than ever.
I suspect that one of the reason why it never seem like adult romantic love to me is that in a drama that was so realistic, the knowledge of the other was so asymmetrical. [That's me re-repeating myself.]
From my perspective, DongHoon and JiAn did not talk substantively.
Crushes are one-sided. They are a mixture of knowledge and the imagination one uses to fill in the gap. Love between romantic partners has to move in two direction. Both people must seek knowledge of the other and allow themselves to be known. I didn't see that here. Perhaps both people sought knowledge of the other, but neither "willingly" allowed themselves to be known.
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I hope the response to the ending won't bring back memories of the debacle of 2016 when everyone saw the pattern but couldn't recognize the elements that subverted them. I hope they don't vilify the creative team for doing what they said they would do.
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[Drama 2019-2020] Chocolate, ♥ 초콜릿♥
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I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't think the "selfish" cliche is limited to South Korea or Asian or etc.
I hear it in the West too.
I know that drama's writers take creative license, but a decent writer will do the research, even if they then decide to do away with it. . .
When someone like David Foster Wallace take their own life after decades of fighting to stay in this world, the least folks can do is recognize the effort, even if he ultimately lost the battle. To cry "selfish" is just . . . cruel. Certainly his family can cry selfish because of their grief, but the rest of the world should be quiet.
The proper response to a woman whose on a death journey, and decides to step on the gas to reach her destination sooner is not to shame and blame, but to show her it is worth the battle to stay longer and to put her on anti-anxiety and anti-depression drugs if her system can tolerate it.
SK drama have the worst representation of psychological treatment/professionals I've seen. I know in dramas for the effect the therapist is not going to follow any recognizable protocols. And when therapist show up in western dramas they too are always behaving in ways no therapist could behave and keep their license. The difference with Western dramas they make it clearer that the therapist is not doing good therapy. In SK drama, they way they present incompetent psychological professional makes it seems incompetence is the norm. The hospice should have a psychologist on staff--I know the doctors we see at the hospice are not meant to represent trained "mental health" professionals.