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Again, we see people trying to solve problems for someone who is not in a coma, or having cognitive difficulties WITHOUT consulting them. Seriously WTH!?!??!!?
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HJ "Am I your/a child" need to be said to so many people, including the parents.
I understand his family's concerns. AND I also understand JH sense of privacy. I assume he never brought the difficulties he was having in the business home to the family for fear that his father and brother would say--as they did without even knowing the true complexity--if you are not doing well, join the army then join my construction company.
Like this.
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His family has no idea how the entertainment business works and now this father is pushing his nose into something he knows nothing about. YES, work to protect your child. But you don't call up your ADULT son's business partner and start questioning her. He has no right.I know this is the thing that makes for drama, but it also the thing that just boils my blood.
Lee Tae-Su meets up with Hye-Joon's brother, Gyeong-Joon...
Gyeong-Joon tells Hye-Joon : He (Lee Tae-Su) appears to be really capable and competent...
SpoilerWTH--manage GJ--I hope he is smart enough to stay in his own lane. He never was helpful to HJ. I hope HJ explains that TS wouldn't pay him what he's owed.
I know this "in your family member's life" is cultural, but damn.
JH has matured a lot. It was very adult of him to pull his father aside and to politely ask him not to interfere in his career. Perhaps that could happen now because his father is now showing him some respect.
I'm also glad that JH stood up for Min-Jae. HIs brother was so out of place to be asking Min-jae for a ride as if she were the family's lackey to be made to fetch this and that. Min-Jae is a professional. The head of her own company. She is not a lackey. And even if she functions as JH's lackey, it doesn't give GJ the right to exploit her.
At the end, the drama sets up expectations that are unlikely to be met, because they are against HJ's personality. I don't think HJ would be interested in HH even if JH isn't around.
The drama also shows how everyone one just wants to feed of "stars". Everyone wants to be star-adjacent, in the circle of influence to get attention. Even the "fan". People don't see "stars" as human, from the fans to co-workers. Being beside a star is just another way to make cash or get attention.
TS can work as deceptively as he can to get JH back as as an actor, BUT he is doomed to fail because--
1- The drama already showed us that even when JH's career was going nowhere and it didn't look like things would work out, his choices were made on integrity, which is why he turned down Charlie Jung.
2- JH decision is based on relationship not on guarantee of success.
The only way TS can get to represent JH is if GJ or their father do something stupid as to sign on JH's behalf. I can't understand any legal system that would allow anyone to enter into a contract for a 28 year old mentally competent MAN.
EDIT: I appreciate the way this drama is dealing with sexual health contraceptive. It's interesting they are keeping those issues from the lead couple, but they are dealing with it in the drama. I guess they feel a responsible approach to sexual activity won't come off as romantic. In the drama sex is suggested more that illustrated. Sexual relations between the leads is only lightly suggested, I assume it is to protect the innocent eyes that might we watching. The audience can decide for themselves if the main couple are or are not sleeping together. Hae-Na, despite being a little pouty, is a good example of an adult woman taking care of her sexuality and sexual help.
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Communications:
The characters in this drama have mostly communicated well. It seems as if the series is about to change that.
1- I truly don't think that HJ should have gone to the police without Min-Jae. Right his his career is not his career, it is his and Min-Jae's career. I'm not sure what the police said to him, but he should have taken her with him.
2- I'm a little frustrated of people interfering into HJ career/life without consulting with him. If JH announce she's his girlfriend, without consulting with him that's not good. Ji-A interfering is probably more of an issue on a personal level than on a professional level. It all depends on what she says. If he acts like a "stand-up" person, and explained she dated HJ during the period he did most of his work for Charlie Jung, that might be a good thing. If she claims they are still connected, that is an issue.
3- HH pursuit of JH is is beginning to dance on my nerve. Right now, it is not bothering JH's relationship with HJ, but HH's persistence is putting so much pressure on JH. She gives him all the right answers, she says no, yet he pushes her into situation where she would have to be unreasonable rude to get out of, for example, the ride home.
HH's reaction to JU and HN's relationship will be telling. If HH sides with his parents about JU+HN, then what does he expect from a relationship with HJ?
4- Definitely one of the better Korean actor as English speaker scenes.
5- Theres is a bit of pacing issues. The series playing with the timeline doesn't seem to add anything to the narrative, except confusion now and again. I'm not sure why they do it.
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6 hours ago, Cheong Cali said:
This drama a bit childish with usual showbiz content on acting career and very predictable. I so much prefer “Do you like Brahms?” For Mon Tue, and “Tail of nine tailed” on wed thur And “lies after lies” on Fri sat. This drama leads also not my favourite, the other 3 dramas I mentioned has better performance than this one. So I cut this drama away even bored also not watching esp drama content
I am confused by the point of your post. --
Are you an undercover marketer working to drum up audience share for Nine-Tailed Brahms After Lies?
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I have followed dramas that I sometime have issues with one or more elements, and I critique them.
The information you have posted isn't about the drama, so much as it is and update on your viewing preference.BTW, originality is not the only thing in art, execution matters also.
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I'm so excited that Kim Beom is back. It's been forever since I've seen his work and he's usually so good and so interesting. His face has matured a lot since I last saw his work.
Lee Dong-Wook always bring the pretty.
5 hours ago, partyon said:He's a red fox, thus the red hair.
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8 hours ago, BogumNoona said:
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It interesting how the parental structure in Korea, as presented in this drama, play out the same despite class.
In both HH and HJ family the fathers want result from their sons. I want them to be productive, self-supporting members of the society and seem to be paying less attention to they emotional/psychological lives. The mothers are more in tuned with supporting their children in realizing their dreams. One has more resources to offer logistical support and the other offer emotional support. Both mothers act as buffers between their sons and their fathers' demands for quick results.
Super agree with this. HJ father is afraid of him to be like his grandpa that failed in everything while HH father wanted his son to be an academician like him but denied by the wife. They both have their own fear and want but these sons are not the by-product of the life they feared or wanted of.
While these two fathers are the most to hate in this world, JH's Appa is the best. Although she saw growing up how her Eomma depreciated her Appa but because Appa is soft and always using good words to her, her affections to her dad didn't tarnish. With that, I totally understand JH.
Both fathers have negative examples in their lives that they are afraid of their sons following.
HJ's father fear him becoming like his grandfather.
Last episode, HH's mother said to her husband that her husband feared HH turning out like his uncle, HH's father older brother.
Unfortunately both men are letting their fears suppress their love and support.
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5 hours ago, kehrite said:
I'm having a hard time figuring out why JH slipped away after the awards show and hung out with HH instead of celebrating with her boyfriend. Shy about meeting his family? Feeling insecure in the wake of his fame? It felt strange to me that she'd rather spend time with another man who, at least from my perspective if I were in her shoes, is pretty clearly interested in her.
2 hours ago, Sakurafairy said:IKR. It's also a puzzle to me at first. I was also thinking "why in the world a gf with a personality like her would be so shy to congratulate the newly awarded bf. "
But, I came to realize that she just wanted HJ and his family to have that precious moment since after Hyejun returned from shooting of ROTK they spent time together. Hyejun cooked for her. They watched TV together. If she isn't around the first people Hyejun will see is his family. I assumed there was a significance time lapse between those event. The domestic scene happened while he was in the middle of filming. The drama had to air and awards season had to come about. BUT considering that Korea film and air drama's simultaneously, there might not be that huge a time lapse. But the drama would have been finished airing and awards season . . .
For Haehyo, I don't think she has that feeling/instinct that Haehyo is interested in her. What good with Jeongha is she knows how to draw the line like how she rejected HH before the house dinner date. She knows how to deal with compromises like she gave HH twice payment for the promise of dining out with him. She knows how to repay a particular debt. I think Jeongha's actions towards HH are clearly visible that in her eyes it's only HyeJoon although she is nice to him.
@hushhh I also LOVE Mgr Lee Minjae. LoL, the way she giggles around Top star Song MinSoo because she has been a long time fan is one big moment for all the fangirls in the whole world. Everyone can connect.
All right, that was an unexpected ending. I’m liking how the writer just pulled the rug under and doesn’t shy away from controversial issues that celebrities have to deal with. I hope with Hye Jun’s character as someone with principles, that “scandal” will be dealt with in a sensitive manner
@touchthesky99 this is a very sensitive issue. This really happens irl. The drama writer is such a brave woman.
I just hope, just like how good Hyejun described CJ in front of his brother is the same way the drama would handle it. A chingu here said this also. I mean, he didn't mean any harm to Hyejun. He just felt the magic spell of love. Turning back all their scenes from episode 1-10, there are no particular instances that he meant harm to Hyejun. The only one I remember is when he said "you will never make it here" after the last rejection. I heard that as a threat.
I just hope that there will be a clean justice / ending with CJ character thru using our principled Superstar Sa Hye Jun.
DATING ON THE DOWNLOW
I suspect there are a few reasons AH slipped away.
1- she hadn't met his family and it was a complicated and public way to meet HJ's family. If he had been seen her soon enough or Min-Jae had issued a formal invite, then she would have been more comfortable. HJ and Min-Jaw were the only people she knew so she wasn't free to join the group comfortable.
2- even though HJ and AH are dating freely within there "friend group" They are not dating publicly. I'm not sure that they are dating officially at the salon or when AH does HJ's make at an event. They talk about HJ not being famous enough for it to be an issue yet, but Min-Jae still warns him to be careful not be ne photograph having an intimate connection in public with AH. It isn't only that might affect his career, but his fan base might well make her life a nightmare.
THE JOYRIDE
For me the puzzle is HH behavior.
I know he is feeling down. I know his career is not going as well or as fast as he hoped. [I don't know how Korean entertainment industry goes, but a 2nd lead on your 2nd acting project would be quite an accomplishment.] His parents are the worse because of his father's lack of affection but demand for result--what's with the market analysis about his son's dream--. His mother is emotionally abusive in ways she doesn't even understand. She undermines his independence by giving him the illusion of independence while she continuously pulls strings. She vacillates between praising and denigrating him.
I know he tried to be a good friend to HJ when HH's career was rising faster than HJ, but his behavior with AH is not right emotionally for him and for his friendship with HJ.
I get that HH like AH.
He has told her that.
AH has clearly said she is not interested.
She has kept their relationship CLEARLY professional, even though she is HJ's friend and then girlfriend.
AH has not even tried to develop a friendship with HH. He is just her boyfriend's friend.
She has not EVER given HH any hope that she might be interested in him.
HH knew from the beginning that HJ was the one AH was most interested in 1st as a fan, then as a partner.
Even after both AH and HJ confirmed their interest in each other, he continues to try to create a romantic connection with AH.
HH has not made any effort to find a woman who might be interested in him.
I'm not sure why he's pursuing her.
HH lives under his mother's rule. AH is not someone his mother OR father would approve of. Why try to start something that will bring the person you say you care about grief? [I will say HH's mother is so perversely competitive with HJ and HJ's mother, she might well approve AH and HH is only because it would mean that HH won over HJ.]
I don't think that AH and HH joyride will lead to a relationship misunderstanding that damages AH and HJ relationship because, so far, AH and HJ have been open and honest with each other. Their open lines of communication should stop them from having issues around it. Of course adding Ji-A to the mix at the same time, who knows what the damage is.
I think the relationship that is most in danger, if any, is HH and HJ's. We are reaching a point where social status might begin to create issues in the relationships of HJ, HHm JU. I think the rubber will hit the road in HH does not support JU and HN's relationship, especially when he realizes that HJ has know about it for months.
PARENTINGIt interesting how the parental structure in Korea, as presented in this drama, play out the same despite class.
In both HH and HJ family the fathers want result from their sons. I want them to be productive, self-supporting members of the society and seem to be paying less attention to they emotional/psychological lives. The mothers are more in tuned with supporting their children in realizing their dreams. One has more resources to offer logistical support and the other offer emotional support. Both mothers act as buffers between their sons and their fathers' demands for quick results.
SEXUAL HARASSMENT
I don't think I've posted one of unpopular perspective in the forum in a while, but here goes . . .
I think that there is a parallel between Charlie [i note he's the only one with a non-Korean name] Jung behavior towards HJ and HH behavior towards AH
Both Charlie Jung and HH hired HJ and AH when they needed a professional boost.
Both Charlie Jung and HH show professional favoritism towards HJ and AH.
Both Charlie Jung and HH [repeated] expressed romantic interest HJ and AH, even after they were clearly told by the object of their affection that they were not interested.
Both Charlie Jung and HH exerted a sense of obligation onto HJ and AH. HH created a sense that AH owed him time outside of their professional schedule.
The biggest difference is that HH did not threatened AH's livelihood.
PROFESSIONAL WOMEN
I need to wrap it up, but I want to say that AH is one of the most believable portrayal of a young professional woman working to start a career and life and maintaining her independence.
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I just wanted to stop by to say how much I LOVE Min-Jae.
I love everything about her. I love her style. The hair, the clothes. I even love her depressed sloppy style that's so realistic.
I LOVE her PERSONALITY. Shin Dong-Mi is kicking it out the . . . where ever one kicks things out of. [Not a sport fan and I should avoid athletic metaphors]
SpoilerWow, she is tall.
This episode also answered my question of Hye-Jun walking off the set in a costume piece and getting it soaked in the rain--the suit belonged to him.
Since I started watching K-dramas in 2005 the genre's portrayal of women have improved/matured a lot. Back then the really good dramas often had three dimensional women--even if they were a bit self-sacrificing-- and the so-so what often had horrid female second leads who had no character/personality beyond a sense of entitlement. Now even mediocre drama [or may just the ones I watch] now do a better job of fleshing out women.
They still do a terrible job with Black characters and LBGTQ folks. I don't like how Charlie Jung has been written. I sincerely hope they don't turn him into a vengeful villain. A pathetic gay man is bad enough, but vengeful villain is worst.
I'm not sure how doing a small time jump and skipping to the award ceremony last episode helped the storytelling when the drama went back over the same ground today.
I guess the home audience would understand/assume that Hye-Joon and Hae-Hyo's connection to Park Seo-Joon is through their careers as models, because the drama didn't clearly spell it out.
I sincerely this is the last we see of Ji-A.
I hope Hye-Joon and his Dad reach an understanding. Sometimes even when parents love you they can do psychological damage trying to guide you to what THEY feel is the best path.
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On 9/23/2020 at 9:59 PM, Sakurafairy said:
*** Do you use stunt coordinators?
Do you use stunt doubles?
Are actors' allowed to improvise during a fight scene? Surefire way to endanger actors.
- 101% Yes they are using stunt coordinators and stunt doubles. As far as I remember gumtaek posted that here about practicing a fight scene in an open area (a Twitter post by Kim Dong Hyun, the reliable staff of ROY). They are keeping everything in secure but sometimes accidents really happen.
So to connect with Hyejoon's character as SuYeong - that hitting is really needed although it got so strong. Park Do Ha is the main character so he needed to stand out but he didn't able to control the throwing and Hyejoon also untimely turned back so he got hit. But I believe irl that PDs are allowing the actors to do in some point some of their stunts to make it believable like how Kwak Dong Hyun hit so hard the butt of Choi MinSik as per the sunbae's request to hit him very hard in the movie New World according to his story when he guested in MLOB and the day after MinSik's couldn't move good since his bottom parts were in pain and blue colors.
This person is a very good stunt coordinator and mostly his company provides training and security in dramas and movies. I got to know him in one of the episodes of 2D1N.
***Are actors allowed to leave the set wearing their costumes. How can Hye-Jun seem so unconcerned about the suit getting soaking wet if it didn't belong to him?
---What I know about this is there are sponsored clothes that an actor needs to return after they use and there are that they can use already. The company gives them. That is what stylist Han Hye Yoon said in one of her shows/interviews and what I also remember from Kim SoYeon of Esteem Ent in The Boss in the Mirror K Ent show.
Since hyejoon isn't that big in the industry so he doesn't have sponsor yet. So all the clothes/outfits are owned by him that even it got soaked in the rain it's still okay.
***Are we to assume that he had a jacket we hadn't seen in his bag.The continuity at the top of the episode seemed a little sketchy as if there was explanation missing.
--- I think he was wearing the casual suit, the one he used when he changed his soaking suit. I think at that sweet moment, for me at least even if I have a jacket in the bag since the adrenaline is running so fast I can never think of any clothes or the rain pouring on me. I only want to finish my confession if I were Hyejoon. So thinking of this and that in that particular heavenly moment is unnecessary for me and I think it is also for the writer.
***Kissing (becoming a couple) this early in the drama almost guarantee a break up along the way to HEA.
--- breaking up and getting back to each other are part of relationships, it's unreal if there is no situation like that.
*-**-brother gets scam
-grandpa becomes successful
These two for sure is a 90% that will happen in the drama. The process of how these events will take place is what I'm so excited to see. Hyejoon's high and mighty hyung and appa's reactions after the scam and haraboji's success story I love to see the final laugh of haraboji just to let his son knows that he is also a productive person.
What I'm wondering about here is why he isn't using undershirt? When he got soaked with rain water his back shown. Do you think without the inner shirt the longsleeve is fitter. Lol! I think it fits so good to him without the inner shirt.
Thank you for so diligently responding to the questions.
Some of them were rhetorical. More than being concerned about the actors in Record of Youth improvising their fight scenes, I was more concerned about how Record of Youth was portraying the Korean entertainment industry especially since in the past several actors have been injured doing stunts.
In some ways I felt some of the transitions at the top of the episode 6 were not graceful but required the audience to fill in the blank. For instance Hye-Jun changed into a new outfit including shoes, that we had not seen before, but there was no notice that he was carrying a change of clothes with him. Perhaps there was and I missed it. It was weird since they seem to have been waiting for his suit jacket to stop dripping and then it was a none issue. Was sure if the new clothes was his own or if Jeong-Ha had loaned him. Since they didn't spot light the moment, I assumed it was his own.
Great drama.
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On 9/23/2020 at 12:30 AM, gumtaek said:
Good to see you in the thread, @hushhh. Always amused by your DP.
I remember an actor in Hospital Playlist saying that PD Shin Won Ho leaves it to the actors' instinct to act out a scene, guiding more than directing. I don't know though if that applies to action scenes. I agree that it would be dangerous.
@gumtaek Great to be here! It is good to have a series worth commenting on.
What else are you watching?
It is totally great to guide the actors through most of their performances. It is great way to work. However action scenes are a different beast. Of course the actors themselves might be trained in stunt coordinating. More that anything It is the idea of the series presenting spontaneity as the way fight scenes are done.
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I'm so glad this drama is around. It's my weekly treat. I wish there were others that were as good but I Kinda sad that I haven't found another drama that is currently running that is as engaging.
Enjoying having this drama to look forward to on Mondays and Tuesdays.
PBG must know the geography of the set like the back of his hands since the Sa family seems to have taken over Jung-Hwan's family's home from Reply 1988.
This drama confirms what I've often suspected PBG has a "Richard Gere" problem. He is a character actor trapped in a gorgeous leading man's body. Being a leading man is a special kind of difficult because often leading men play version of themselves, instead of "characters". Many folks think that "playing yourself" is easy. It isn't, because you have nothing but yourself to depend on. Character work has its own challenge, but there are outside tangible things for the actors to work on/with.
PBG is best when he is playing character that are just a little "off". That is why he was so mesmerizing in Reply 1988 and Hello Monster. While he is lovely and swoonable in REcord of Youth because you know, he's Park Bo-Gum he is most riveting during the scenes within the drama when he is playing a movie character. When he went from being Hye-Jun to the educated, refined you saw that makes him magnetic on screen, he just fully becomes a fully fleshed character. We can really see what makes him fascinating to watch.
I have so many question for the Korean movie/TV industry.
Do you use stunt coordinators?
Do you use stunt doubles?
Are actors' allowed to improvise during a fight scene? Surefire way to endanger actors.
Are actors allowed to leave the set wearing their costumes. How can Hye-Jun seem so unconcerned about the suit getting soaking wet if it didn't belong to him?
Are we to assume that he had a jacket we hadn't seen in his bag.The continuity at the top of the episode seemed a little sketchy as if there was explanation missing.
Thought on where the obvious arrows point -->
Kissing (becoming a couple) this early in the drama almost guarantee a break up along the way to HEA.
-brother gets scan
-grandpa becomes successful
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I would like to say that I loved Sang Tae's Two Brothers folktale.
I think it could sell.
I know I would buy.
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OMG.
Perfection!
Perfection in story-tellling (script-Jo Yong).
Perfection in performance.
Perfection is story-telling (visual-Park Shin-Woo).
The whole team did excellent work. I bet even their caterers were amazing.
I just sat and let my eyes leak and leak and leak.
The writer was so kind to all her character, except for the wicked witch of the west.
So much love.
So much respect.
So much community.
The performances were all award worthy but OH JUNG-SE, needs to be sitting on a pile of accolades and awards when award season comes around.
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ST feeding MY scene really resonated and had me tearing up throughout.
I think there are a few reasons it move me so much.
--It was the first time MY fully embraced her pain. It was the first time she unrestrained acknowledge someone else's pain. It was the first time she took intellectual and emotional responsibility for the pain "she" cause. Of course she didn't cause the pain, but she feels as if she brought destruction to ST and GT.
--I think becoming human, especially before formal education, is a process of apprenticeship. Children replicate the behavior they see and they treat others as they have been treated. So a child will pat someone in pain, because they have had someone pat them when they were in pain. ST soothed MY with love because that is how he was soothed. ST may not learn a lot of complicated things, but the things he learns, he learns well and he commits to them.
-- I may be wrong, but I don't think ST will have an issue with MY because MY's mother killed his mother. 1) Because I don't think he blames people for the action of others. 3) MY is now his younger sister, family.He will love and protect family. He will protect her from her mother.
One of the things that three member family of choice have in common, is a fierce commitment to protect their family.
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Just, WOW.
Freaking WOM.
Episode 13 and 14 had me in tears.
What an amazing writer who is so kind, truly kind and respectful to their characters, and as a result kind and respectful to human beings.
10 minutes ago, Dana Annisa said:I'm still curious about the previous episode, the title is Father of The Two Sisters. I read the original story, not the movie, The Story of Janghwa and Hongryeon. It says that these two sisters being abused by their step mother and their father doesnt know about that.
So the Father of Two Sister is referring to the father of patient with identity disorder? Because she had split personality so it seems like she had a sister?
Or is it about Do Hui Jae who is suspected of having a sister which is Park Haeng Ja? But who is the father?
I dont know, can someone enlighten me??? :(
I think it refers to Moon-Young father and the patient with disassociated identity issue. Moon-Young was abused by her mother as a child and her father should have been aware of it, but did nothing to stop it.
I'm also not sure it is necessary to read "father" literally. The point seems to be the person of any gender no mater the relationship who has the ability to help without intervening in abuse is guilty of that abuse also.-
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The moment that stood out to me in the JWon and Jang kiss scene was the very beginning, when JWon first smooth Jangs hair.
Jang's hair always looked messy and that is clearly a choice on the part of the stylist and director creating Jang's aesthetics. There were so many times during the drama where there would be the urge to restrain her hair or fix it in some way. And while it might be a projection on my part, by first smoothing Jang's hair, then caressing her face, it gave me the sense that JWon always wanted to fix her hair, but had to restrain that impulse.
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1 hour ago, __jesse said:Spoiler
Hi @hushhh I think Songhwa gave Chihong shoes to tell him, it's time for him to leave her side.
Also, I really enjoyed reading everyone’s posts, thank you all for sharing such wonderful insights and astute observations of all the lovelines. I’d just like to add some of my thoughts, which I think haven’t been mentioned before.
I think the scene where Gyeoul removed maggots from the homeless man’s rotting leg was significant in many ways. As many have pointed out, the writer had set up the scenarios to show the contrast between Gyeoul and Dr Bae’s actions. Dr Bae knew how to comfort the guardians, while Gyeoul’s words were blunt and tactless. However, while Gyeoul went about removing the maggots without a word, Dr Bae was unable to do anything.
- Dr Bae is a fellow in the ER dept. In the course of her work, she must have come across all sorts of emergency patients. And yet, she couldn’t bring herself to touch the maggots.
- As doctors, actions speak louder than words. Compared to knowing how to say the right words, it’s far more important to be able to do the right things.
- Also, being tactful is something which comes with experience and can be learned, as we have seen through Gyeoul and Junwan.
Another POV which I think has been overlooked is that of the patient’s. He was homeless, hadn’t showered for months and his leg was covered with maggots. He was probably shunned by everyone – even the medics and doctors didn’t want to come near him. Gyeoul was the only person who treated him with dignity and equally, as she would’ve treated any other patient.
As a devout Catholic and a practising doctor, seeing Gyeoul’s actions probably reminded him of someone: Mother Teresa. Her actions aligned with his values. He became Daddy-Long-Legs because he believed that everyone – rich or poor, local citizen or illegal immigrant – have the right to access medical treatment.
In ep 3, Junwan wondered if Ikjun was having an affair with Gyeoul. Worried, Jeongwon went down to find them and Ikjun asked what Jeongwon thought about Gyeoul. I think this scene is significant because it showed that Jeongwon saw Gyeoul as a woman.
- Jeongwon himself went for dinner and movies alone with other female colleagues but he didn’t see it as an issue because he saw them as colleagues, not as the opposite gender.
- Also, Jeongwon knew that Ikjun is a social butterfly, who makes friends easily with people from every and any department. Why was it alright for Ikjun to be close to everyone else, except Gyeoul?
- So, when Ikjun asked him what he thought of Gyeoul, he wasn’t thinking about her as a doctor or colleague, but as a woman.
Personally, I don’t think Jeongwon’s answer matters, because if he had any feelings, he would’ve most likely denied them. But the fact is, from the start, Gyeoul was more than just a colleague and fellow doctor.
My brain is a little fried. But I remember IJ saying to a doctor [can't remember which one] in one of the last 2 episodes that you can't save patients by being nice to them.
"We`ll see what really happened. What I suspect about them (I already mentioned about it) doesn`t contradict what IK Jun said. They were never really an open couple. They liked each other and probably dating in secret for a while. We all see that Ik Jun had serious/ strong feelings for Song Hwa and he never had the oportunity to confess. Or maybe they were not yet a couple but Ik Jun wanted to asked her to became a couple at her birthday. It doesn`t matter if thew were or not a couple, but they definitely had romantic feelings for each other and they knew it. I understand Ik Jun being the good friend (He thought about Seok-Hyeong `s feelings. He knew that probably their friendship would have been deteriorated because they were in love with the same woman.) but I believe he decided one-sided about the relationship with Song Hwa. And I think Song Hwa was disappointed and hurt (first love wouldn`t materialize). They both remain friends and repress their feelings. They care and love each other as friends but the question is if still there is romantic feelings left. As we saw, Ik Jun still has those feelings. Of course, he would have regreted the rest of his life if he would not confess now. Good for him. Even if she will not accept to rekindle their old romance, he/they can move on.
If Song Hwa will have these lingering feelings left or new romantic feelings she will agree to became a romantic couple with Ik Jun. They know each other very well by now. She will know if they will be compatible or not. If not accept Ik Jun`s love confession , it will be a little awkard at first but they can be friends."
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Have Koreans discarded the superstition that if you give someone you love shoes, they'll run away?
I couldn't figure out what to make of SongHwa giving Chi-Yong shoes.
I also wanted to say, not becoming a priest isn't giving up on God, or else most Catholic would have forsaken God.
At least in the West, not becoming a priest doesn't require giving up your Rosaries.
All I can say is JWon's father must have been a committed Catholic to have 5 children who wanted to make service to God their vocation. I suspect it is the father, because Rosa doesn't come off as a dedicated Catholic. It hard to know what a dedicated Catholic would look like.
People's health: Everyone is worried about JWon's headaches, Song's herniated disc, but the NetFlix translation of SH made it sound like he did have long to live. I don't speak Korean, so . . . I can't tell if it is the script or Netflix.
"I don't want to waste time. My time is too precious for that. I want to live doing the things I like and the things I want to do right now. That's why I wanted to start a band. I used you guys." That's the speech they usually give to the hero whose dying young.
I'm just going to make up random crap.SH came back to Korea to die and have a band with his friend.
He divorced because he was dying and didn't want to be a burden to his wife.
His wife loves him.
He's keeping himself away from people because he doesn't want the burden of having more friends to leave behind.
If he is sick and thinks he's dying he must be sick and dying because as a doctor with family money he would have been able to seek out the best cure.
We don't see enough of him from the past to know if this perpetual sadness is new or just his neurological setting.
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He's as healthy as a healthy horse
His ex-wife is back because she knows of the inheritance
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It's the only Kdrama I've been following right now. Now that it's over I'm not sure how I will distract myself from the reality of the world.
Season one wrapped up one loveline and that leaves 3 or 4 to wrap up.
I really like Jang. I'm glad she got JWon because that is who she wanted. I'd have been happy if she matched with IJ because I really like both of those characters.
I think the Jang-JWon pairing was a surprised to some who forgot at at his core JWon perpetually lied by omission. Despite knowing him for years, few of his friends knew about his family wealth and none of them knew about his running at his Daddy-LongLegs charity. So whatever is dear to JWon's heart he keeps it a secret until he must act on it.
I think the maggot scene was what brought Jang to his attention. It reminded me of the Pope's practice of washing the feet of parishioner at Easter. It is the ultimate sign of service. As others have mentioned why single Jang out by deliberating withholding praise. JWon is impersonally kind and considerate to everyone so why not Jang. Well he was determined to leave. It would be dishonorably to encourage her affection even if he returned it because a relationship with one woman was not how he had chosen to do his life's journey. JWon did give you God for Jang; he stayed for the children, but figure if he were going to stay, he might as well have Jang in his life.
From Reply 1988 (the only Reply drama I've seen so far) I suspect that this writer likes to give awkward late blooming women the prince of their dreams, so . . .
Speaking of R88, JWan and IS relationship dynamics reminds me of Bora and SunWoo form Reply 1988, so I'm not too worried about their ending.
Personally I find the mystery of IJ and Song story interesting because it seems to have the least movement/progress, but I suspect when it is revealed, we will see it is the oldest.
I thought it was interesting that in E11 when Song said she was leaving for a year, JWon and SH were looking at Song and IJ was looking at nothing. That all that makes sense form a storytelling perspective. We know how IJ feels so it makes sense that he wouldn't know how to deal with the emotion around Song leaving. JWon and SH looking at the source of the news also made sense. What was unexpected is that JWan was looking at IJ checking to see if he was okay. This telegraphs that he knows the depth of IJ's feeling for Song.
It's clear that JWan knows that IJ's feeling of Song isn't the same camaraderie that the other guys in the group feel. But I also don't think it is because of what is happening now. I think Jwan knew of IJ and Song's relationship in college. It is also possible that he didn't know that IJ and Song's relationship in college and that IS told him about IJ's feeling for Song. At one point IS told JWan that IJ should have pursue Song when he had a chance (or something like that). Like everything else, it can be read as a general statement referring to no time in particular--in a way similar to how all the mothers seem to want Song for their sons. Or it could be that IS speaking of a time in college when she knew IJ was interested in Song. But then IJ's feelings for Song hasn't been a mystery for sometime. The open question has been Song's feeling for who?
I think Song and IJ were dating in college. I think she was waiting for IJ on her birthday when SH confessed and IJ didn't show up. IJ might be a bit odd but he isn't full off delusional. He wouldn't buy a ring for someone without a least a slight indication that the person might accept it.
I think Song loves IJ but she fundamentally doesn't trust him. IJ chose to protect SH's feelings over Song's in the past and then he went and got married. I also doubt that group was aware of their relationship. It's bad enough to have a relationship go bad, but it is worse when that relationship was hidden from everyone. That means Song went through the break up alone with no one to comfort her. Even if Song loves IJ she doesn't trust that he wasn't abandon her again. I don't think she is pining for him. She is living her life and she'll have other relationships but they have a connection.
I think IJ after giving up on his love of Song has been particularly passive in love. Someone pointed out that the way he discussed his sister's approach to love was actually about his own approach to love. He said his sister's lover would have to love his sister more than she loves him, and would have to chase after her. I suspect that shift came after his relationship with Song died. I think IJ wife chased him and he allowed her to catch him. IJ was committed to his family, but he was not committed to his wife. Cheating is never good, but his wife was breaking her marriage/family but not IJ's heart.
JWon's accusing IJ of fooling around with Jang early in the drama is there to be re-examined once JWon and Jang's relationship is settled. It shows that JWon's thinking was warped by his feelings for Jang and that lead to to accuse his fundamentally honorable friend of doing something dishonorable.
It also give you a way to measure the difference between how IJ interacts with Song when he is married and when he is divorced/free. His relationship to Song changed once his divorce was done legally and emotionally. He began to slip into their old physical ease of proximity of when they were dating. They ate together all the time. Before we mostly saw him socialize with her in the group. He sat closer to her. He touched her more frequently and casually than when he was married. I don't know about the significance of the rain to Song and IJ's relationship, but I suspect that it has some association to their relationship in college. That rain connection is specific to that pair, no one else in the friend group seems to have that connection.
It is significant that even though everyone was concerned about Song doctor's appointment, IJ was the one who made the effort to be by her side as she went through the process.
Song and IJ's physicality has become easier/more familiar since his divorce. He nags her and corrects her. She hits him. He stands closer to her as if being by her side is specifically his place. No one in the friend group have given any indication that they've notice the change. The one who has noticed it is Chi-Yong. He's now trying to get to the same level of intimacy both physical and conversational that IJ has with Song. That's why he asked that they converse informally for his birthday. That is also why he touched her shoulder as he was saying goodbye. It was very similar to the way IJ parted from Song. Song response to Chi-Yong touch was very apparent. It seemed to me that it was a "thing" that didn't feel "right". When IJ touch her in that way it registers as something that belongs/familial. I could mean that she see IJ in the same way that she see her brothers/familial and no sexual. Her response to Chi-Yong's touch could signal the beginning of a sexual awareness towards him. But in each case I doubt that's what's happening.
From the first time I saw Song caring for WooJoo, I assumed Song was meant for IJ, especially since I wasn't aware that IJ was "married". I didn't actually believe the IJ when he first said he was married in the drama. I think it interesting that Song lumped WooJoo in with her nieces and nephews when she spoke about liking children. It seems she thinks of WooJoo as family.
Kdrama tend to be conservative. I'm not sure how much time has passed, but I don't think they's want to have IJ get out of a marriage [even if the marriage seemed only real on paper] and start with a new relationship so soon.
I love Seok Hyeong. I'm excited to see how his story plays out.
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13 hours ago, kokodus said:
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I just had this thought. Why did we automatically decide that Song hwa's crush was someone within the group. It could be anyone. Dr. Bong said she was in a long term relationship with a sunbae during her univ days. Hmmm....
I think it might have been because after she rejected SkHeong she called IJ to meet--it sounded like they had plans. Also SJ has a gift that seemed more then casual for her birthday.
I was surprised that IJ was the only squad member that went with Song Hwa to her doctor visit.Also, if my memory serves me right--and it doesn't always, we saw that perhaps Song Hwa finding the men hiding out from the talent show wasn't a coincidence, but that she noticed IJ's absence and followed him.
While I don't have a pony in the race I don't think that JWon is indifferent to Dr. Jang. He is generous and complimentary to all, but he is almost scrupulous in NOT acknowledging her efforts. I think he is attracted to her generosity of spirit. I think her lack of bedside manners and sticking to the facts without thinking of the emotional consequence [similar to Jwan in Ep.7 sharing the results of the operation to the child's parent] brought her to his attention in an off-putting way.
I think Dr. Jang matter-a-factly removing the maggots from the homeless patient while everyone was repelled by the idea of touching him made JWon see her as pragmatic, without vanity, and someone in service to her patients.
The fact that she ran after the abusive father, and kept going after she lost her shoe--and he said nothing!!! The fact that she ran to get the liver delivered in the least time possible--and he said nothing!!! suggest that she has more of his attention than an average resident. It feels as if he is deliberately withholding himself from her. I mean JWon would have showed more gratitude to the efforts of a food delivery person than that he did for Jang's effort.
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17 hours ago, ck1Oz said:
I thought it showed PSR being obvious. I was on episode12 yesterday and only got to ep 14 this morning. The only reason why I started commenting now is that I have been busy with real life. And only had time to even think about IC now.
PSR's mind was clearly operating on automatic mode that he likes SA. You could see the dawning realization that he felt something emotionally when he saw YS reaction at the date with SA. Is there something wrong with being clueless? That's the standard for Kdramas.
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Good writing. Consistent characters. I like the director by the way and the lighting. I am currently on another drama where the pace is so s... l... o... w... Where every. Word. Is. Important. And. Needs. It's. Own. Sentence.
So yeah Itaewon Class is fine by me thanks.
On point. Nicely summed up.
[COVID 19--How awful it feels to live through a moment in history, assuming we all live through it.]
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I've been really enjoying the show. The cinematography is lovely and so is the acting.
I feel as if the show's heart is in the right place, or more accurately its social conscience align with mine. There were a few moments that I found more earnest than artful and I couldn't watch. [Tony's grandmother's storyline, which I'm sure was very satisfying and heartfelt to others.]
I've been worried the hard working, dedicated self-directed woman would not be rewarded in her loveline because k-drama historically have skewed conservative. I'm overjoyed that i'm wrong and Yi-Seo will gets her guy.
I also didn't expect Soo-ah to be so brutally eviscerated by the series. I felt so bad for the character, even though I had no respect for her. Also the series has not given the chairman Jang Dae-Hee any softness. Everytime there is an opportunity for him to show sentimentality or heart, he passes on the opportunity and kicks someone in the teeth.
As much as i love the direction of the series, I am disappointed by the justification the series suggests for SaeRoyi for not acting on YiSeo's attraction to him. I find that idea that SaeRoYi didn't act because he knew Geun-Soo liked YiSeo just jaw dropping.
That is the most backward patriarchal bs justification for a show that is showing a progressive perspective. SaeRoYi overlooked YiSeos' clearly stated preference for being in a relationship with him. He thereby leaves space for Guen-Soo, who YiSeo has never show any romantic interest in. It only work if SaeRoYi only just realized he loves YiSeo, but if he had any idea previously, i'm just disappointed that the series decided to make YiSeo's choice to not be a part of SaeRoYi's calculations.
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My heart.
The ajummas trying to sneak supplies to their friend had me in years
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1 hour ago, mouse007 said:
I know some have commented saying this was a bit dragging but I felt the opposite actually. I agree with @bebebisous33 in that this episode gave us the other side of the coin - that there was a negative side to SK apart from the all the seeming glamour of capitalism.
Good points.
If you consider it, all the familial relationships we saw in North Korea have been nurturing. All the parents are making choices that support their children's happiness
JH and his fiancee's parents seem willing to subtly support their children's happiness over leveraging their children's relationship to get greater power.
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5 hours ago, Dana T said:
I've seen him shirtless in Worlds Within, The Snow Queen (excellent movie for anyone who hasn't seen....SPOILER .....sad ending but excellent). Think closest may be Secret Garden..pretty sure there was a sauna scene with him in towel only but he was so skinny then&that's the part of movie he had swapped bodies with Ha Ji Won so he wasn't very masculine in that scene but ...
HB puts on a shirt in MyLovelyKimSamSoon and swims. Swims in a swimming trunk.
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I was so looking forward to watching this. I thought it would be a rom-com/drama with a touch of the supernatural thrown in. Today's show was too close to horror. I'm not sure if I'll be able to continue with the series.