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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

But this one, from Ojakgyo Brothers, I love for just how understated it is: it's what I personally imagine when I think of the term "backhug", and I love how Tae Hui nuzzles into Ja Eun's shoulder in particular.

It baffles me that they did not get best couple award:anguished:

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

What I meant wasn't JW playing an oppa role (honestly, he's only done that once - Cha Yoo Jin - while his other roles have been other archetypes) - but that he's still marketable as an "oppa" for audiences. As long as that is the case, the entertainment industry will push for him to continue playing the main lead/protagonist due to its romantic hearthrob potential.

 

So, by "ahjussi", I mean getting to the point where he could play the hyung/mentor sort of second lead to a younger first lead (e.g. Joo Sang Wook's character in Good Doctor) or some other sort of role that's usually assigned to a veteran actor (including antagonists). And that's something that still needs time - he's got to make his comeback as the main lead, at least, before we can see if his "oppa" potential has already been spent enough that he could consider more diverse roles.

OH!! Now I get it :o, yeah,you are right, it would be great to see Joo won mentoring his junior in a drama or movie. I think we would do great in that role, since he was doing the same thing in off-camera. I read some articles that joo won is really a great senior who is always ready to help his juniors and guide them, and he always says that he wants his acting skills to reach a point where he can teach others. :)

 

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12 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

It baffles me that they did not get best couple award:anguished:

 

They didn't? Well, at least Ojakgyo Brothers did get something in that category (Hwang Tae Beom + Cha Soo Young), even if it wasn't Tae Hui and Ja Eun :) 

 

12 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

yeah,you are right, it would be great to see Joo won mentoring his junior in a drama or movie. I think we would do great in that role, since he was doing the same thing in off-camera.

 

He does have some experience doing that on set already, since I've noticed numerous times that junior/younger actors from his agency also end up taking on supporting roles in his dramas. But I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of that on screen as well :) 

 

And, going back to your earlier comment about  wanting to see JW play a gangster-type character...yeah, that would be fun. Or a con artist. That would be fun, too - viewers would get so many different sides from him then. ;) 

 

But more than that, I want to see JW take on a big meaty role in a serious sageuk - My Sassy Girl's great for what it is, but it is ultimately a youth/fusion sageuk, and I'd love to see JW tackle the real thing. 

 

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3 hours ago, kittyna said:

JW play a gangster-type character...yeah, that would be fun. Or a con artist

That's what exactly I was thinking about the roles Joo won would do great job. Especially after seeing his acting in "SWEET SIXTEEN", a gangster who is stoic in nature role would be great fit for him and a con artist who only thinks about him and money, but acts as a good person would be great to watch, it would be both entertaining and fun to watch :smile:

 

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

 My Sassy Girl's great for what it is, but it is ultimately a youth/fusion sageuk, and I'd love to see JW tackle the real thing. 

I think My sassy girl was imposed on him by his agency, just like they did it with "Catch me" movie:anguished: they wanted to give him a good farewell before his enlistment. I think the agency had good intention but not good story, since it was same director who directed "Yong Pal":sweat_smile:

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

That's what exactly I was thinking about the roles Joo won would do great job. Especially after seeing his acting in "SWEET SIXTEEN", a gangster who is stoic in nature role would be great fit for him and a con artist who only thinks about him and money, but acts as a good person would be great to watch, it would be both entertaining and fun to watch :smile:

 

Considering that Kim Tae Hyun already claims he's halfway to becoming a gangster in Yong Pal (because that's the environment he's been in all this life), I think it'd be fun to see JW go all the way. Whether as an actual baddie or as a reformed gangster - or, like Lee Joon Ki's character in Two Weeks, one who's just starting to try to make a better life for himself but is awkwardly caught in between the gang and law enforcement.

 

As for con artist, I think that the standard type could be fun, but I'm actually envisioning the sort that you see in Squad 38 (yes, I do watch crime/suspense dramas a lot - problem? :P), where the con artists are actually recruited into scamming corrupt members of society. So, sort of Robin Hood-esque, but not so familiar with being the good guys that they actually feel that sense of drive/mission yet. Putting it that way, it's sort of like the financial version of Lee Kang To's Gaksital (as opposed to Kang San's, which actually is more idealistic).

 

Point is: we've seen JW playing cops so many times that it'll be fun to see him play the other side of the law again, or someone in the massive grey area in between. I mean, we've seen him do it before - like in Yong Pal - but I'd definitely want to see that again.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think My sassy girl was imposed on him by his agency, just like they did it with "Catch me" movie:anguished: they wanted to give him a good farewell before his enlistment. I think the agency had good intention but not good story, since it was same director who directed "Yong Pal":sweat_smile:

 

Personally, I think this was a case where they were trying to please everybody by covering as many bases as possible - JW said that fans had been wanting him to do a sageuk to begin with, and his agency probably wanted him to do some sort of lighthearted period rom-com (building on the popularity of shows like Love in the Moonlight)...and maybe they all forgot that that wasn't really JW's forte? Not to mention that adapting such a hugely popular film like the original My Sassy Girl would have been a controversial decision no matter how they did it (a lesson they should probably have learned from Nae Il's Cantabile, if you want me to be blunt).

 

As for the director, Huayi Brothers came up with the concept for My Sassy Girl first, and it took them a lot of asking around for them to find a network (SBS) and a director (the one who did Yong Pal) to take it on. Which...might not be the most promising way to start a production, if you ask me.

 

Which is why I so want him to try a serious sageuk for once - it'd satisfy those cravings for a historical piece, but work more in line with JW's strengths. He could do the stoic scholar again, or (and I know a number of fans want this) he could take on a warrior or royal role.

 

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7 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Which is why I so want him to try a serious sageuk for once - it'd satisfy those cravings for a historical piece, but work more in line with JW's strengths. He could do the stoic scholar again, or (and I know a number of fans want this) he could take on a warrior or royal role.

That would epic!!!! If Joo won get to play a role like that, scholar,stoic and pessimist :smiley: And also a loyal warrior, who only has loyalty but cannot distinguish between moral and immoral decisions, some what like a guy who is indebted to an evil nobleman.

 

10 minutes ago, kittyna said:

yes, I do watch crime/suspense dramas a lot - problem? :P

:lol: No problem ma'am, I head it these dramas are good for mental health :tounge_xd:

12 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Love in the Moonlight

I had saw the first episode and skipped to the last episode for this series, and I did not regret it, the ending was so predictable, in the last young prince with his wits saves the day and gets the girl:unamused:

 

15 minutes ago, kittyna said:

a lesson they should probably have learned from Nae Il's Cantabile, if you want me to be blunt

Cantabile tomorrow was way better than My sassy girl, of course both were joo won's low rating series. :dissapointed:

16 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Considering that Kim Tae Hyun already claims he's halfway to becoming a gangster in Yong Pal 

In Yong pal he almost acted the "Gang doctor"(this was series name used in South asia and south East asia regions) in the early episodes, he played it with ease and naturally, I hope he takes such kind roles more in the future:smiley:

 

20 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Two Weeks

He can do better than this series, although, this series was new, but still it had inherently conventional drama features, like 2nd lead syndrome, Father-Daughter love etc:expressionless:. I want him to take more complex role, which can show all the subaltern features, since most of the people in crime world enter out of desperation and not willingly, it would awesome to watch all the dilemmas,human dark side and in the end a hopeful ending but not totally a happy ending. :smiley:

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lol - I'm starting to think, @kireeti2, that you mind tropes/clichés way more than I do, considering the number of times you pointed out not enjoying something because it was predictable or conventional. I actually don't mind that in a story, as long as I come away thinking it made sense for the characters to think/act/react the way they do, cliché or not.

 

Mind you, I was the kid who probably got on a lot of playmates' nerves by insisting that pretend games and scenarios don't have to always have a happy ending. Like, if I want a happy ending for a story, it needs to be one where I think that happy ending is merited (e.g. the main couple ends up together because both parties possess a considerate and selfless love for each other); I have little patience for stories with happy endings just because it's what fans want or because that's what's expected for a finale.

 

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Which means that, yes, I was probably one of the few people who watched Descendants of the Sun who wouldn't have minded if the male leads had actually died - I thought that that could make a really strong point about what it's like for veterans' families.

 

So, addressing a few points individually. For those who read this forum mostly for JW-related stuff, please forgive me a couple of tangents - I promise I will get to JW again shortly! *salute*

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I had saw the first episode and skipped to the last episode for this series, and I did not regret it, the ending was so predictable, in the last young prince with his wits saves the day and gets the girl:unamused:

 

To be honest, I mostly watched Love in the Moonlight out of curiosity: I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, and I already liked Park Bo Gum's portrayal of Lee Yoon Hoo in Nae Il's Cantabile, so the factor of casting (i.e. whether I actually enjoy watching the main actors) was settled on that front.

 

While the clichés were definitely there, I think the most regrettable part of it for me, actually, was that I would have liked to see more about the serious history behind it. The drama was an alternative history concerning an actual Joseon prince who was a brilliant scholar and big pusher for political reform, but who died before he could ascend to the throne. Knowing in advance that it would end happily (i.e. with said prince actually surviving), I wanted to see what the drama writers thought might happen as a result. Things like: what contributions might he have made if he could have become King? Would he have been a strong monarch or a weak one? You know, that sort of thing. So I felt like there was some wasted potential here: the story, as it was, could have worked with a completely fictional prince, so why go to such lengths to market it as an alternative history?

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

He can do better than this series, although, this series was new, but still it had inherently conventional drama features, like 2nd lead syndrome, Father-Daughter love etc:expressionless:.

 

As for Two Weeks, I think the tropes, for what they were, were pulled off in rather interesting ways. Maybe I just haven't watched all that many dramas featuring a strong father-daughter bond (so I might not be in the position to argue), but I actually thought that was a good change from the emotionally distant (at best) to abusive (at worst) fathers I tended to see in dramas. And I was definitely intrigued by the idea that it was finding out about this daughter that prompted the lead to turn his life around and start going straight - and I really wanted to see him succeed in doing that.

 

So when it comes to JW (finally!), I would like to see him playing a father who holds a strong love for his children, no matter how that is played out or expressed in the drama itself. I would also like to see JW playing a character who goes through that sort of bad-to-good growth arc again: he did it once with Gaksital, and he pulls it off well. :) 

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I want him to take more complex role, which can show all the subaltern features, since most of the people in crime world enter out of desperation and not willingly, it would awesome to watch all the dilemmas,human dark side and in the end a hopeful ending but not totally a happy ending. :smiley:

 

lol - To be honest, if it's the socio-economic and/or political facets of the underworld you're looking for...Yong Pal is one of the best I've watched. Not a lot of dramas actually examine that side of the criminal underworld, I find: they tend to be either very action-based or the criminals are just one-dimensional bad guys (which, come to think of it, I could point out as a critique I'd have for Two Weeks - cartoonish villains). But Yong Pal actually tried to touch on some of those aspects through Tae Hyun's character: we see him as someone who grew up exposed to the underworld, who tried his hardest to escape it (by getting a good education and becoming a doctor - i.e. upward social mobility), but who wound up getting sucked back into it anyway due to systemic factors (e.g. poverty, Korea's massive social inequality and its repercussions in the medical system, etc.). 

 

The only other dramas I could think of off the top of my head that also touched on these things (albeit not as overtly as Yong Pal) would be Bad Guys (the first one - not the sequel, which I haven't watched) if you prefer a darker grittier version, and Prison Playbook if you want something more heartwarming (it doesn't go into socio-economics all that much, but does a great job humanizing the people we just think of as criminals). But Yong Pal's the one I would recommend if anyone asked me for a drama that focuses on the socio-economic cross-section of Korean society that you're talking about - and it's also the drama universe that I use for exploring these topics in my fic-writing.

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

In Yong pal he almost acted the "Gang doctor"(this was series name used in South asia and south East asia regions) in the early episodes, he played it with ease and naturally, I hope he takes such kind roles more in the future:smiley:

 

Yeah - I think JW completely nailed Tae Hyun's "diamond in the rough" personality :) And he seemed to have a lot of fun playing such a role as well.

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Cantabile tomorrow was way better than My sassy girl, of course both were joo won's low rating series. :dissapointed:

 

I'm with you - I personally enjoyed Nae Il's Cantabile more, but what I meant was that any sort of adaptation of existing material has a hard time winning audiences over (it's the classic "The book was better" idea). So if JW's agency wanted to put together something big for his send-off, I think they would have been better off with a completely original story rather than an adaptation - especially of such a huge blockbuster as My Sassy Girl.

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

No problem ma'am, I head it these dramas are good for mental health

 

Actually, I got into that because I noticed that a lot of North American dramas showed either a lot of violence or a lot of sex - and I figured the degree of violence that featured in police/crime dramas (since most of the more graphic stuff is shown off-screen) would be the lesser of two evils. :P 

 

That doesn't hold true for K-dramas, though, since for the most part (the rare 19+ drama notwithstanding), sex scenes are implied rather than shown on screen. So for K-dramas, I generally prefer deep "makes you think" dramas over action or suspense.

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3 hours ago, kittyna said:

its repercussions in the medical system, etc.). 

I was shocked when I had see  such scenes where doctors were acting like sales guys and trying to woo wealthy patients. In our country we do have issues in medical service, but the Korean issue seemed very big, like every doctor was at disposal for the rich/chaebol and loan shark characters were also a kind of cultural shock for me, I never knew there would be such kind of heartless people

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

That doesn't hold true for K-dramas, though, since for the most part (the rare 19+ drama notwithstanding), sex scenes are implied rather than shown on screen. So for K-dramas, I generally prefer deep "makes you think" dramas over action or suspense.

Yeah, k-dramas are very clean, when it comes to romantic part, but they kind of go all in when it comes to action part.

 

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

While the clichés were definitely there, I think the most regrettable part of it for me, actually, was that I would have liked to see more about the serious history behind it. The drama was an alternative history concerning an actual Joseon prince who was a brilliant scholar and big pusher for political reform, but who died before he could ascend to the throne. Knowing in advance that it would end happily (i.e. with said prince actually surviving), I wanted to see what the drama writers thought might happen as a result. Things like: what contributions might he have made if he could have become King? Would he have been a strong monarch or a weak one? You know, that sort of thing. So I felt like there was some wasted potential here: the story, as it was, could have worked with a completely fictional prince, so why go to such lengths to market it as an alternative history?

Really!!! Omg, they wasted a good story and turned it into a teenage drama. It sounded intriguing when you said that prince was trying to reform politics, it would have been great if they have explored that aspect instead of romance, it could have been "Korean version King Aurthur"

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9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I was shocked when I had see  such scenes where doctors were acting like sales guys and trying to woo wealthy patients. In our country we do have issues in medical service, but the Korean issue seemed very big, like every doctor was at disposal for the rich/chaebol and loan shark characters were also a kind of cultural shock for me, I never knew there would be such kind of heartless people

 

For me, it was the other way around - I saw so much of this in the dramas that I was later surprised to learn how much of Korea's health care system is still publicly funded and accessible to average people. But there does seem to be a major discrepancy between treatments and services covered by the basic government-funded health insurance and those that are not - and many treatments for serious illnesses or major surgeries seem to be the latter. 

 

It probably helps that even though I'm Canadian (where a lot of our health care is covered by the government), I also live close enough to the States (where it isn't) to realize how much of an impact one's income and social class could have on the treatment (or lack thereof) that one receives. So, for me, seeing these things in dramas has simply been a case of transferring what I've seen in one context (the USA) to another (Korea). 

 

As for the loan shark type characters, they're also quite prevalent in Hong Kong's popular culture, so I was aware of that. I don't know how much of what we see in dramas is realistic, though, or how much is exaggerated or the worse case scenario.

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, k-dramas are very clean, when it comes to romantic part, but they kind of go all in when it comes to action part.

 

I find them to be on-par with the North American dramas in terms of action, violence, the graphic nature of said violence, etc. - is it more graphic than what's the norm in India?

 

There's also a difference between whether the Korean drama is shown on a basic network (KBS, MBC, SBS) or a cable network (tvN, JTBC, OCN, etc.), with more graphic content allowed on the latter. It can still get pretty brutal on a basic network (Gaksital, anybody?), but if I know that the police/crime drama I'm about to watch originally aired on a cable network...I know to expect some pretty crazy stuff.

 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Really!!! Omg, they wasted a good story and turned it into a teenage drama. It sounded intriguing when you said that prince was trying to reform politics, it would have been great if they have explored that aspect instead of romance, it could have been "Korean version King Aurthur"

 

Maybe I misunderstood the ending of the drama, since all I know was that I saw the prince in the regalia of a king, but my own curiosity-driven research starting from yesterday shows that he was crowned regent (i.e. ruling in place of the king) in the last few years of his life. More of the history is explained here (from a K-drama fan) and here (news article source).

 

And the more I look into this prince's life, the more I want an actual serious sageuk to be made about it - there's something really appealing about a Crown Prince who's highly intelligent, interested in reform, and a massive patron of the arts, all in one. It's like Joseon's version of an Enlightenment-style ruler. If there ever were a serious sageuk on the subject, though, I'd want to see JW in a supporting role rather than the lead: as someone who advises or mentors the teenage prince rather than as the prince himself.

 

And, to be honest, I'm starting to wonder if this person was a possible inspiration for Gyun Woo's character in My Sassy Girl. Of course, Gyun Woo is not a prince (not even by marrying Hye Myung - that's actually a loss in power/status for him since it legally bars him from any government position), but the whole "Joseon era child genius" concept is there.

 

Finally, some late night filming for Alice:

 

 

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26 minutes ago, kittyna said:

what's the norm in India?

It is still evolving, Indian drama means typical soap opera, where they'll drag series for like 2000 to 3000 episodes. But talks to OTT platforms, we are also able to see dramas which have solid plot and quality production. ;ike K-drama, human aspects are also there, but darker side like; drugs,corrupt system, corrupt police force, evil politicians(K-drama evil politician are amateurs in front of India type) etc. which make the drama worth watching. I hope you heard of "Sacred Games", it was the first drama to break the glass ceiling and I also heard it was quite popular on Netflix. But it came in 2017, so you can imagine my country dramas are at nascent state, and need some time to increase quality in story and also in production.

 

39 minutes ago, kittyna said:

I'd want to see JW in a supporting role rather than the lead: as someone who advises or mentors the teenage prince rather than as the prince himself.

On second thought, he can play an role of evil advisor who wants the throne for himself, with joo won's expressions and his voice that role would be a treat to watch.

 

41 minutes ago, kittyna said:

If there ever were a serious sageuk on the subject

Yeah I would also like to watch a serious plot in this Genre, like real politics, not the one where everything is revolved around Leads regardless of Male/female. Only drama which depicts serious sageuk genre is "The kingdom", even though it is fiction work, but the politics in the drama was very real. The way people try to stay in power was aptly shown

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13 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I hope you heard of "Sacred Games", it was the first drama to break the glass ceiling and I also heard it was quite popular on Netflix. But it came in 2017, so you can imagine my country dramas are at nascent state, and need some time to increase quality in story and also in production.

 

Hate to break it to you, but I can't say I have - my knowledge of any sort of popular culture outside of Hallyu is quite limited :sweat_smile:

 

13 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

On second thought, he can play an role of evil advisor who wants the throne for himself, with joo won's expressions and his voice that role would be a treat to watch.

 

13 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah I would also like to watch a serious plot in this Genre, like real politics, not the one where everything is revolved around Leads regardless of Male/female. Only drama which depicts serious sageuk genre is "The kingdom", even though it is fiction work, but the politics in the drama was very real. The way people try to stay in power was aptly shown

 

The problem is that most of the evil advisor-type characters I've seen so far in political/court intrigue sageuks have been pretty one-dimensional. While greed and ambition are certainly factors, having those as the sole motivators tends to turn out really flat and cliché, in my opinion - villains like that end up just looking like mustache-twirling cartoon villains after a while.

 

If JW does end up playing a sageuk villain, I want him to be one who has stronger motivations and who's the hero of his own story - maybe someone who starts off with good intentions, but ends up veering to the dark side (like what you see in Gaksital); or someone who opposes the protagonist because he believes, in his own twisted way, that he's the one who's right and the protagonist is the one who's wrong. For example, one of my favourite serious sageuks, Jang Yeong Sil, features antagonists who oppose King Sejong's reforms because they believe that encouraging Joseon's scientific advancements would offend China (and thus put Joseon's safety at risk) and that making education accessible to the people through the invention of hangeul script would be an affront to Confucian thought (because with education, the working classes might rebel against the nobles). Bad guys like that were really interesting to watch, for me, because while they were ultimately wrong in the grand scheme of things - and their methods were definitely immoral - their reasoning was understandable and realistic.

 

So...someone like Gyun Woo gone wrong, or a sageuk version of Lee Kang To or Kimura Shunji - I'd like for JW to play that sort of antagonist rather than, say, what we see from My Sassy Girl's antagonist (nothing against Jung Woong In as an actor - he's awesome and one of my favourites - but his character was pretty cartoonish in his level of villainy).

 

By the way, @kireeti2, going back to your earlier post about JW's army juniors still calling him Sergeant...was I the only one who somehow failed to realize that that wasn't any hoobae, but BIGBANG's Taeyang?

 

 

Yeah, my knowledge of K-pop - and K-pop idols - is officially crap. :P Don't mind me.

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17 minutes ago, kittyna said:

The problem is that most of the evil advisor-type characters I've seen so far in political/court intrigue sageuks have been pretty one-dimensional. While greed and ambition are certainly factors, having those as the sole motivators tends to turn out really flat and cliché, in my opinion - villains like that end up just looking like mustache-twirling cartoon villains after a while.

Yeah I too agree with you, villains needs to have some kind of background story to justify why they are doing evil things. In most of the historical drams it is just to gain power, but they need add more dimensions like hate, jealousy or some kind of injustice happened to him or his family member(like peter in Games of Thrones):)

30 minutes ago, kittyna said:

who oppose King Sejong's reforms because they believe that encouraging Joseon's scientific advancements would offend China (and thus put Joseon's safety at risk) and that making education accessible to the people through the invention of hangeul script would be an affront to Confucian thought (because with education, the working classes might rebel against the nobles). Bad guys like that were really interesting to watch, for me, because while they were ultimately wrong in the grand scheme of things - and their methods were definitely immoral - their reasoning was understandable and realistic.

You mean like conservative mind person or the one who likes business as usual, I do think they are intriguing characters to watch, but I think they are far from realist. Realist the one who lack ideology both good and bad, they only like things to stay stable even at the cost of lives of common people. So, I think Lee kang to at the beginning was a realist, who thought fighting against a strong adversary was of no use and joined them, I think part of the success of bridal mask is due to the character arch :)

35 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Hate to break it to you, but I can't say I have - my knowledge of any sort of popular culture outside of Hallyu is quite limited :sweat_smile:

 

Lol, it's okay, I mean Hallyu itself is huge universe to keep track of:P

 

49 minutes ago, kittyna said:

was I the only one who somehow failed to realize that that wasn't any hoobae, but BIGBANG's Taeyang?

You are not alone, I was also not able recognize that it BigBang Taeyang, or that of matter I did not know big bang existed till last last month, I found K-pop rather recently, like I found out about it like end of of 2019.

 

52 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Yeah, my knowledge of K-pop - and K-pop idols - is officially crap. :P Don't mind me.

Lol, mine is even more crappier, I didn't know IU existed till end of 2019 and only K-pop or I use to think singer I knew was PSY, thanks to his hit music video. But I do appreciate the fans of K-pop, like they know name of every single person of their favorite group regardless of members in the group:P

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

You mean like conservative mind person or the one who likes business as usual, I do think they are intriguing characters to watch, but I think they are far from realist. Realist the one who lack ideology both good and bad, they only like things to stay stable even at the cost of lives of common people. So, I think Lee kang to at the beginning was a realist, who thought fighting against a strong adversary was of no use and joined them, I think part of the success of bridal mask is due to the character arch :)

 

I meant "realistic" as in "natural" - like, I could actually see someone thinking or behaving like that. Not in the difference between an idealist and a realist. However, if it's that second definition of "realistic" you want, then yes, Kang To is a great example :) He starts off working alongside the Japanese for pragmatic reasons, and even later, as Gaksital, he's doing it more for personal reasons (i.e. to atone for his sins by finishing what Kang San started) than because he actually believes fighting against the Japanese is the right thing to do. He does come to understand his more idealistic comrades eventually, but it takes a while.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Lol, mine is even more crappier, I didn't know IU existed till end of 2019 and only K-pop or I use to think singer I knew was PSY, thanks to his hit music video. But I do appreciate the fans of K-pop, like they know name of every single person of their favorite group regardless of members in the group:P

 

Yeah - chances are, if I know of a K-pop idol, it's probably as someone who's also branched into acting, like IU. And, well, PSY is PSY - I'm pretty sure even people who weren't into Hallyu knew who he was, the same way everyone knows BTS now.

 

BoA is the exception for me, because I actually listened to her Japanese stuff - not even realizing she was Korean - before I got into Hallyu. And then my interests shifted to K-dramas and I wound up not really thinking about or paying attention to her for a long while...and then the dating news broke out and I was like, "Wha...???"

 

And that's my weirdest K-pop related experience for you all. :P 

 

Anyway, I know that it's been a while since I've put together an interactive activity - and maybe the need's not so great now that restrictions are slowly lifting all around the world (I personally don't feel safe enough yet to venture outside, but I'm also not you guys).

 

I actually have a ton of stuff lined up for June in connection to Father's Day, but since we're still in May, I'm doing something a bit more silly and random to pass the time: a Crossover version of Scattergories. In other words, each prompt will need you to visualize two characters from two different dramas inhabiting the same universe - so let your imagination go wild.

 

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Scattergories - Crossover Edition

 

Quick rundown of the rules:

  • Read the prompts carefully: questions might be about the JW drama guy (i.e. the male lead), the JW drama girl (i.e. the female lead), or both! (I'll put those words in bold to make it easier)
  • Don't overthink this - just go with your gut response. Answers will get silly this time around ;) 
  • You are allowed to repeat or leave out any characters of your choice
  • You are invited to provide reasons or further explanation for any of these, but just the names are fine

So here goes - enjoy!

 

1. Two JW drama guys who would be good friends

2. Two JW drama guys who would be enemies

3. Two JW drama guys who I'd like to see as roommates (they can either get along or not - you decide)

4. Two JW drama guys who'd fight like cats and dogs, but actually have each other's backs in a crisis

5. Two JW drama girls who would be good friends

6. Two JW drama girls who would get on each other's nerves

7. One JW drama guy and one JW drama girl I'd want in my friend squad

8. An alternative couple (i.e. One JW drama guy and one JW drama girl from two different dramas) I'd be curious to see

 

 

So, yeah, this one's just silly - have fun!

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Here's the update of Joo won on weibo, acting cute or Aegyo:lol: if we go with Korean pop culture. I thought his Aegyo days were over as soon as he had joined in military(that's what he said in an interview before enlistment, that he wanted to act more mature and lose his cute side and transform into more mature actor), but I think he got still few more years to act cute. :P

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57 minutes ago, kittyna said:

BoA is the exception for me, because I actually listened to her Japanese stuff - not even realizing she was Korean - before I got into Hallyu. And then my interests shifted to K-dramas and I wound up not really thinking about or paying attention to her for a long while...and then the dating news broke out and I was like, "Wha...???"

 

And that's my weirdest K-pop related experience for you all. :P 

Wow!! It really is surreal experience, your favorite k-pop star dating your favorite k-drama actor, even if it is for brief period:P

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5 hours ago, kittyna said:

1. Two JW drama guys who would be good friends

Joo won's drama roles are so unique, they have no similarities to compare if not they are mostly from different universe. But for the sake of question I'll go with: KIM TAE HYUN AND PARK SI ON: The first reason is that they both are doctors and bound to have some similarities and they both have abusive father, so I think they might bond over while drawing parallels with their fathers. And lastly Kim tae hyun might end up being the replacement of his big brother for si on, since his big brother and kim tae hyun have lot of similarities, they both are brave and will not tolerate injustice. If go further kim tae hyun is also in similar position of park si on big brother, so, I think they'll be more than friends:smile:

 

5 hours ago, kittyna said:

2. Two JW drama guys who would be enemies

Han Gil Ro and Cha Yoo jin, these two have polar opposite personalities, I think these two cannot stand each other even for a minute.One is diligent with his work and always strive to in stable environment and the others is kind of lazy(lethargic) and always craves for adventure and cannot sit still in one place:P

5 hours ago, kittyna said:

3. Two JW drama guys who I'd like to see as roommates (they can either get along or not - you decide)

Gyeon Woo and Cha yoo jin: These will not talk much but will be busy with their own work, one with practicing music, and other trying to become a scholar. I am pretty sure both will have no complaints to stay as roommates,on top of that they might enjoy each others company :grin:

5 hours ago, kittyna said:

4. Two JW drama guys who'd fight like cats and dogs, but actually have each other's backs in a crisis

HAN GIL RO AND LEE KANG-TO: I know, it is odd pairing. But, if you think carefully, I don't see any reason they both getting along with each other, but they both like to fight injustice at least one of them wants to and other guy simply fights for fun:lol:

5 hours ago, kittyna said:

5. Two JW drama girls who would be good friends

This one is really tough: Hye-myung and Nae-Il, for this have only one reason, both are crazy like hell and both enjoy teasing their boyfriends.

5 hours ago, kittyna said:

6. Two JW drama girls who would get on each other's nerves

Cha yoon seo and Han yeo-jin: I think yoon seon have very high moral standards where as Yeo-jin won't think twice doing an immoral or unethical thing to get what she wants, so, I think they both will have hard time coming in terms with each other

5 hours ago, kittyna said:

7. One JW drama guy and one JW drama girl I'd want in my friend squad

Park Si-on and Cha yoon seo: It would be fun have them in squad, both are adorable to watch and will have lot fun while drinking together and si-on could later help us reach home after we get wasted. :tounge_xd:

5 hours ago, kittyna said:

8. An alternative couple (i.e. One JW drama guy and one JW drama girl from two different dramas)

While in each other they are perfect together, but if I have to choose one, I'll go with Lee kang-To and Shin yoo-kyung: One reason is that Lee Kang To lost his first love at the end of the drama, so, it was easy to choose him and Yoo-kyung having toxic relationship with Ma jun, that's why, I think these two could be alternative pair. I cannot imagine any other alternative pair, rest are so perfect for each other. :smiley:

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6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Here's the update of Joo won on weibo, acting cute or Aegyo:lol: if we go with Korean pop culture. I thought his Aegyo days were over as soon as he had joined in military(that's what he said in an interview before enlistment, that he wanted to act more mature and lose his cute side and transform into more mature actor), but I think he got still few more years to act cute.

 

I think aegyo is a part of core personality, once it's tempered enough to be actually age-appropriate. JW's always going to have a gentle and caring heart and an affectionate attitude towards his friends; add to that his desire to stay somewhat pure and innocent regardless of age, and I think the aegyo is here to stay. It'll just evolve :) 

 

And, wow - your responses to the game are so different from mine! But that's what makes this particular version fun; imaginations can go wild ;) 

 

So here are my responses:

 

1. Two JW drama guys who would be good friends - Gyun Woo and Cha Yoo Jin

 

So...same response as one of yours, @kireeti2, just for a different entry :P. I think they can share a lot of common interests - or, if nothing else, they'd both be interested in what the other is passionate about - and I also think they share a number of core values. Both are somewhat conservative in their thinking, preferring to stick to the rules whenever possible - but both have ever-so-slight rebellious streaks that allow them to choose to do what's right when the odds are stacked against them. So, in some ways, it'd be like the two of them (plus their respective partners) against the world.

 

2. Two JW drama guys who would be enemies - Gu Ma Jun and Park Si On

 

Okay, this combination...would be just absolutely brutal. I can actually see Si On trying to befriend Ma Jun at first, since he always starts with that. But he'd only get pushed back over and over again, and it's only a matter of time before Ma Jun lashes out with either violence or some really derogatory comments. Which would probably make Si On withdraw, to be honest. But even if he doesn't - even if he keeps trying - he'd find himself so put off by Ma Jun's unscrupulous and selfish behaviour that even he'd have enough eventually.

 

3. Two JW drama guys who I'd like to see as roommates (they can either get along or not - you decide) - Cha Yoo Jin and Hwang Tae Hui OR Cha Yoo Jin and Park Si On

 

Okay, I'm cheating a bit with this tie, but take it as one more serious/realistic answer, and one "just curious" answer. 

 

So, the serious answer: Cha Yoo Jin and Hwang Tae Hui. I don't think they would be close - their schedules mean that they probably won't be at home at the same time enough to become good friends - but I do think they'd get along peacefully. Both are quiet, tidy individuals who don't like getting in other people's way, so I can imagine them managing both private and shared spaces quite well.

 

And the silly answer: Cha Yoo Jin and Park Si On. Nothing in this one, really; it's just that I see enough in common between Si On and Nae Il that I'd be really curious to see how this plays out :P 

 

4. Two JW drama guys who'd fight like cats and dogs, but actually have each other's backs in a crisis - Hwang Tae Hui and Kim Tae Hyun

 

In some ways, it'd be like the love-hate relationship that Tae Hyun has with the cop in Yong Pal, where we start off with Tae Hui and Tae Hyun on opposite sides of the law, only to end up working together once they realize they actually share the same values and goals (i.e. taking out even bigger bad guys). So, in public, they'd still be caught in this elaborate cat and mouse game (with Tae Hui pursuing Tae Hyun), but in private, there'd be a mutual respect that would come handy in an emergency.

 

5. Two JW drama girls who would be good friends - Cha Yoon Seo and Seol Nae Il

 

They're both bubbly, idealistic, social individuals, and both love helping others (especially kids). They'd also both appreciate a chance to get away from their super-introverted boyfriends every now and again ;) I think that Nae Il's more girly nature would mesh well with Yoon Seo's more tomboyish side, such that they'd be alike, but not so much so that it gets annoying. I can imagine these two getting together for coffee, for instance; or Nae Il trying (and failing - hilariously) to give Yoon Seo a makeover, while Yoon Seo tries to draw Nae Il into some of her favourite leisure activities (hiking, for instance).

 

6. Two JW drama girls who would get on each other's nerves - Han Yeo Jin and Hye Myung OR Han Yeo Jin and Seol Nae Il

 

Again, I have a tie response, so allow me to break this down.

 

Han Yeo Jin and Hye Myung: Both are headstrong and tough young women, but their actual values and worldviews are vastly different. In this case, it'd be hard against hard, with neither willing to give in to the other's persuasion (e.g. if Hye Myung disagrees with Yeo Jin's methods for taking down those who've hurt her, or if Yeo Jin thinks some of Hye Myung's behaviour is unbecoming for a lady). However, there is just enough overlap that, if they ever do end up on the same page...watch out ;) These girls are dangerous, and they know it.

 

Han Yeo Jin and Seol Nae Il: Yeah, no way are they going to be able to be on the same page about, well, anything. Especially on Nae Il's part: she'd never accept Yeo Jin's way of doing things, and might just turn into a female version of Tae Hyun under those same circumstances.

 

7. One JW drama guy and one JW drama girl I'd want in my friend squad - Kim Tae Hyun and Cha Yoon Seo

 

With both of them being doctors with a clear sense of right and wrong, as well as being able to handle themselves in a level-headed manner in an emergency, I think they'd make an awesome tag team. I think that I'd have a ton of respect for whatever they're doing, and could only hope that they'd let me join in as well. Plus, both of them have rough edges with a soft heart underneath, so I think any sort of social gathering would be filled with good-natured banter and fun times. :) 

 

8. An alternative couple (i.e. One JW drama guy and one JW drama girl from two different dramas) I'd be curious to see - Cha Yoo Jin and Han Yeo Jin

 

Okay, this one's just pure random crack - because it's one alternative pairing I could envision either going really well, or really poorly, with no in-between. As a base point, there's just enough in common in their upbringing and social context that they'd understand each other's environments: Yoo Jin being aware of how uber-competitive Yeo Jin's world is, and Yeo Jin understanding Yoo Jin's accumulated traumas (from the plane crash, but also his relationship with his father). So if they can help each other, that'd be great to watch. However, things can just as easily go poorly if, rather than healing each other, they end up fueling or enabling each other's maladaptive behaviours (e.g. Yoo Jin's tendency to isolate himself and to drown his sorrows with alcohol, or Yeo Jin's thirst for vengeance). So, yeah: not sure how this would play out, but it'd make an interesting drama either way, with the difference being whether they end up the heroic or villainous pair ;) 

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8 hours ago, kittyna said:

Okay, I'm cheating a bit with this tie

Yes!! you are cheating,:tounge_xd: you never said or mentioned about having more than one option

8 hours ago, kittyna said:

And, wow - your responses to the game are so different from mine! But that's what makes this particular version fun; imaginations can go wild ;) 

I too agree, having different opinions does enrich ideas and imaginations of both the parties. You are options does made me realize that they are some many possible ways of pairing. Reasons were also thought provoking and fun to read:blush:

8 hours ago, kittyna said:

Gyun Woo and Cha Yoo Jin

Wow, my roommates option is your best friends options, LOL:tongue:

 

8 hours ago, kittyna said:

I think aegyo is a part of core personality, once it's tempered enough to be actually age-appropriate. JW's always going to have a gentle and caring heart and an affectionate attitude towards his friends; add to that his desire to stay somewhat pure and innocent regardless of age, and I think the aegyo is here to stay. It'll just evolve :) 

Yeah, you are right, but I think he this aegyo thing is only for his peers and seniors. I think joo won would be reluctant to show his aegyo side to his juniors, he will be kind of strict cum nurturing towards them :smile:

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22 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, you are right, but I think he this aegyo thing is only for his peers and seniors. I think joo won would be reluctant to show his aegyo side to his juniors, he will be kind of strict cum nurturing towards them :smile:

 

Well, I should certainly hope so - I do find the age-based hierarchy in Korean culture does force people to grow up and become more mature over time. :) Which is why I'm looking forward to seeing the new-and-improved JW, starting with Alice onward ;) 

 

And I know this post is coming out later than usual...because I've been writing again. So here is Preview #1 of the next installment for Seolleim in Salzburg:

 

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The printer on my desk suddenly whirs to life, spitting out a single sheet of paper. Stifling a yawn, I grab it absentmindedly from the tray, not even realizing that it isn’t mine until I start reading it.

 

“Ya, Seollebal,” I call out, my eyes widening in surprise. “Is this yours?”

 

Still seated at her desk, Nae Il swivels around to face me. “Eh?”

 

I hold the up the printout so she could see it. Eyes lighting up in recognition, she nods, then crosses over to take it from me.

 

My brow furrows as she returns to her desk. “What are you looking at apartments for?”

 

Nae Il blinks at me, incredulous. “It’s not for me, Orabang – it’s for the others.”

 

“Mwo?”

 

She throws herself back in her seat, shooting a deadpan look in my direction. “Don’t you remember, Orabang? That’s the AirBnB our friends booked for their visit; I’m just printing it out for reference.”

 

“Ah.” Throwing down my pencil, I reach up to massage my aching temples with both hands. “Mianhae, Nae Il-ah – with all that’s been going on, that must have slipped my mind.”

 

She responds with a sympathetic pout. “You haven’t been getting much sleep lately, haven’t you.”

 

I wince. “Mm.”

 

Over the past few weeks, it seems like everything has been piling on all at once. In addition to working with Elise to figure out the logistics for the summer tour and our recently signed contracts, there are the actual school assignments I have coming due: the usual final tests and papers; a detailed report based on my practicum this past year with the opera department; and a composition that – despite Nae Il’s assurances to the contrary – is coming out far too insipid and uninspired for my liking, I possessing almost none of her creative capabilities. Add to that the time spent practicing for my upcoming piano performances – my own solo recital as well as the Paderewski concerto for the tour – and it’s no wonder that my schedule is already close to packed.

 

But then, as though that wasn’t already enough, I received yet another assignment from Professor Stresemann: to take the fully annotated scores I’d already sent him for our upcoming tour and rewrite my comments on the individual parts. My protests were met with a stern admonishment that my duty as a guest conductor was to make things as easy for the orchestra members as humanly possible, so I’ve spent the last several nights scrambling to complete the tedious and thankless task.

 

The only consolation thus far is that I am not alone: Lee Yoon Hoo has been given the same task for his scores. Although he does not need to pull all-nighters to fit it in like I do, he does have the additional challenge of translating his notes, originally written in English, into German. More than once, I’ve received text messages from him asking for help; and, knowing the tight deadline we’ve been given by the Professor, I’ve had little choice but to oblige.

 

Smiling fondly at me, Nae Il disappears into the kitchen with her printout, returning several minutes later with a freshly brewed cup of coffee. “Here you go, Orabang,” she says, setting it down on my desk. “It’s a double – just the way you like it.”

 

I accept it with a word of thanks, taking as large a swallow of the steaming brew as I could manage. Nae Il, still smiling, pulls her chair closer to sit beside me and gestures at the pile of sheet music on the desk. “How much more do you still have left?”

 

“I’m almost done, thank goodness; just have to finish this bit, then I can scan the whole thing and email it to the Professor.” Pointing to the relevant parts, I add, “I thought about whether to do the strings first or save them for last – but now I’m glad I saved them because that means I only have the easiest part left.”

 

She tilts her head slightly. “You mean the violins?”

 

Smothering yet another yawn with one hand, I nod. Seemingly satisfied with my response, Nae Il’s smile widens. “Well, if you can, Orabang, try to take the rest of today off, at least.” She cuts off my protests with a single raised hand. “Of course, if you still want to practice, I’m not stopping you; I get that that part’s not actually work for you. But everything else can wait just one day.”

 

She meets my stare with an equally challenging one of her own until, after a long moment, I concede with a sigh. “Arasseo. Just let me finish the violin part, and then you’ll have me for the rest of the day."

 

Nae Il beams, answering me with a vigorous nod. As I copy out my notes from the full score onto the first violin part, I change the subject back to the printout from before. “So does this mean everyone is accounted for?”

 

“Ne, Orabang.” From the corner of my eye, I can just manage to make out her hand as she counts on her fingers. “Each of us had ten free tickets for our concerts to give out, so that includes us, Eomeonim, my parents….”

 

“Abeoji.”

 

“Ne – by the way, Orabang; I’ve already checked to make sure that he and Eomeonim took out rooms in different hotels, so no need to worry about that.” When I nod gratefully in response, she resumes her count. “There’s Milch – of course – Yoon Hoo-sunbae….”

 

“Chae Do Kyung.”

 

She shoots me a look. “Only because you asked me to, Orabang.”

 

“Ara,” I retort, completely unfazed as I wave one hand at her. “Go on.”

 

“And now, with this place, there’s also Rak-kun and Si Won-eonnie.”

 

“I see. Does that make ten?”

 

Nae Il nods, frowning just a bit. “I’d so hoped that Mini Min Hee would be able to come, too. It’s crazy how ten free tickets could feel like so much at first, but then run out so fast.” Her gaze hardens. “If you hadn’t asked me to invite Chae Do Kyung, Orabang, then–”

 

I raise my hand to stop her. “We’ve been over this, Seollebal: Choi Min Hee already said she couldn’t come because of her own exams. Would I ask you to offer your last ticket to Do Kyung if that hadn’t been the case?”

 

“I know.” Eyes round as saucers, she pouts at me. “But still.”

 

“Besides,” I add, one corner of my twitching up in a wry smirk, “considering what I’ve had to agree to in exchange, Seollebal, I daresay you got the better end of the deal.”

 

She makes a face. “That doesn’t count, Orabang.”

 

“Why not?”

 

“Because asking me to invite your ex-girlfriend to my grad recital is hardly the same thing as letting our touring partner stay with us rather than in a hotel.”

 

“Arasseo,” I retort, “but for a whole month?”

 

Nae Il shrugs. “So?”

 

“So why not with the Professor? Why does it have to be us?” When she merely presses her lips together to suppress a laugh, I move to explain. “You know how on-edge I feel when we have guests over – and this isn’t just any guest, but Lee Yoon Hoo.”

 

“Milch said it’d be a good chance for you two to learn to get along better, and Elise said it would save us money if we could share accommodations throughout this whole tour.”

 

“Ara – but at this rate, we’re not going to have a single day just to ourselves until August, when we get to Leipzig. Doesn’t that bother you?”

 

She raises an eyebrow. “Wae? Does it bother you?”

 

“A-ani.” I shake my head, forcing the thought of the ring I’d ordered for her to the back of my mind. “It’s just that you’re usually the one who hates it when there’s a third wheel in the house.”

 

Nae Il looks unconvinced at my lie, but if she suspects the actual truth, she doesn’t comment on it. “Well, as long as you two can get through this summer without throttling each other,” she quips back, starting to get up from my desk, “I think I can manage.”

 

“Arasseo.” As she turns to leave, however, I call out to stop her. “One more thing, Seollebal.”

 

She glances back over her shoulder. “Eh?”

 

“Having Lee Yoon Hoo stay here is one thing,” I say firmly, “but letting him have my room is another.”

 

Nae Il turns all the way back around. “Orabang….”

 

“I mean it, Seollebal. If I’m going to do this, I need at least some space to myself.” Before she could interrupt, I add, “And don’t even think about offering him yours, either.”

 

“I wasn’t going to,” she quips back smartly. “But I will ask you to reconsider about your room, Orabang.”

 

I stare at her, incredulous. “Mwo?”

 

“You’ve been fine offering it to Milch whenever he comes by, so it’s only fair.”

 

I shake my head. “Shiro.”

 

“Are you saying that just because you’re still a sleep-deprived grumpy cat right now? Or is there something else?”

 

I open my mouth to answer, but think better of it at the last minute. There isn’t anything I could say that wouldn’t end with me looking childishly petty in the process. So instead, I simply resume my work in silence, hoping that she would take the hint.

 

However, rather than being deterred, Nae Il simply flounces back to her earlier spot by my desk. “Alright, then – how about we do it like this?” To my astonishment, she holds out an open hand. “Rock, Paper, Scissors.”

 

My brow furrows as I stare down at her hand. “Mwo?”

 

“If you win this, Orabang, then Yoon Hoo-sunbae gets the couch; but if I win, then you sleep there while he gets the room.” She raises an eyebrow when I hesitate. “Come on, Orabang,” she sing-songs at me, “you can’t say this isn’t fair.”

 

Actually, if it comes down to fairness, flipping a coin would be easier. But Nae Il looks so earnestly at me now, clearly already eagerly anticipating the results of this game, that I turn to face her with a nod. “Arasseo, if that’s how you want to do it.” I, too, hold out my hand. “Best out of five?”

 

She nods. “Deal.”

 

I don’t know about her, but I’ve never gone into Rock, Paper, Scissors with any sort of strategy, simply letting the game play out by itself according to chance. So it’s no surprise, then, that Nae Il wins the first two rounds in a row.

 

“Just give it up, Orabang,” she says, eyes glinting with mischief. “You know how this is going to end up.”

 

I dismiss her teasing with an exaggerated shrug. “It’s not over until it is.”

 

Sure enough, the next two rounds go in my favour, leaving the final one – the tiebreaker – to settle the dispute once and for all.

 

Nae Il chuckles. “Are you ready for this, Orabang?”

 

I find myself laughing back. “Are you?”

 

“Remember: whatever the result is, you’ve promised to accept it.”

 

We seal the agreement with a nod, and I gesture for Nae Il to make the call.

 

“Alright, then. Here goes. Rock, Paper, Scissor–”

 

“Aish!”

 

And I think you guys can figure out what happens next ;) 

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4 hours ago, kittyna said:

And I think you guys can figure out what happens next ;)

Let me guess, Nae-il won? :lol:

I though Cha yoo-jin got over Lee Yoo-Hoo? Is he feeling uncomfortable because of his insecurity or he just hates sharing his room?:lol:

 

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