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What I also meant was that...even if you love someone you don't hurt the people who care for you..or worry about you...like your friends.So,respect is all about give and take.If some one has intentionally caused you heartache ,you know what that feels and because of that,you'd not do that to other people.My reaction towards the characters in the drama keep changing.First I was positive about the new hk and her uprightness...I thought she'd refuse je when she sed she'd go on lunch with him...but then again next day..she chose to went on a trip with je..notwithstanding the ruckus created over the pseudo engagement.
Even if her mind is faltering towards je,I'd have liked if the new hk took care of the situation in a balanced way...Now she seems to have taken JE way..not thinking about the aftermath.
I agree w/ your opinion; but i remember clearly in ep17, when HK is in her room ,i notice that she scribbled some name and only JE name she cross it out,for me only that the indication that she stick to JE to find her past,she think that JE know's a lot about her.
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I'm starting to question hk's integrity..I mean after spending overnight with JE she has the audacity to come back at the dawn..laughing and talking with je in the car as if he's her long lost friend and then when she sees bs..it's like there's this fog of guilt over her face...It's one thing to be a grey character..but even after then...a person like yong ki II would have kept some self respect for herself...She's not thinking straight.Writer is trying to make her character look like even if she has lost her memory she's still drawn to her ex...but a person like her would rather think in her mind a thousand times and have those feelings that she's having..But wont be going with the man of question to some remote place,play games with him as if there's no friction between them.As hk described bs to je as her lighthouse,as the foolish man who'd wait for her no matter what...I'd have liked if hk really believed in her heart about what she spoke of bs,and not just said all that to hurt je.If she had rather loved bs after this amnesia chapter wholeheartedly..without any more inclination towards je,then it would have served je right...and that would have been the best punishment for him.Unless,the person he loved is out of his grab and gone for real,he'd never know the value of what he's lost.I guess for the writer the drama is about long lost love,not about giving back a woman her respect and dignity..
I don't know why you are questioning her integrity????????????
1. she didn't do anything wrong she has no husband no lover and with her mouth she never told BS yes I love you or lets be boyfriend and girlfriend
2. she has Rejected BS 913 Times by now definitely someone should have understood that NO means No
3. There is no loosing self respect here she just was worried about JE because she was COERCED by SR to trick him into going to the dinner for the families so one she feels bad for this
4. JE is the only person that has made her feel alive because the heart can't be tricked She may have lost her memories but her heart knows who she loved
5. She described BS as the lighthouse because that is WHAT BS is making her feel OBLIGATED towards him so he SAVED HER but does he HAVE TO Obligate her to love him and everyone is PUSHING HER towards this which is not fair
6. SHE DID Nothing wrong when she went to JE why is it wrong for her to play basketball with JE if she played basketball or get drunk with BS and play games like they did with BS would she be wrong then? of course not is just because right now we each are trying to see it in our own way without a neutral look towards it.
7. what I don't get is why she looses her dignity and respect so if she goes with BS she doesnt and if she goes with JE she does?
8. Feeling obligated and having feelings of yes he is my friend he is waiting for me he loves me "I should love him" does not really mean that because he is GREAT we should at no given time she has ever told him she loves him or will marry him so why should she even feel guilty in my opinion she is being too nice to feel guilty had she ever given him a yes and treated him like a boyfriend then I would say yes feel guilty because you went out with JE and were having a great time and you are in a lovers relationship with BS so yes you are loosing your integrity because you are in that relationship and went out with another man behind your man BS
but she never did this for me she has nothing to feel guilty towards SR and BS so bs and sr cant both take themselves to the farthest hell because they are both being psycho manipulative towards YK2 intentionally I might add I don't know if everyone feels this way but I do specially after watching and rewatching for more than 10 times each episode
good explanation ...you have written what's on my mind ..i think i'm the only one keep re-watching .
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JUST MY THOUGHT AND OPINION ON JE ADULTEROUS ACT;
As a woman myself, I really don't understand JE that some of you are pointing out. But according to my own understanding,( if divorces necessary for them to FALL-IN-LOVE; so be it.
JE love HK very much and vice-versa, but by unfortunate circumstances that LOVE turn into HATE( by JE only).BUT WHY DID HE COMMIT SUCH ACT? HE was seduce by a young woman during his vulnerable time and his weak co's (MAN are susceptible to be easily give in, beginning by ADAM IN THE BIBLE) for the 4 yrs. that he's gone w/ SEOLI to US, for sure some of us really don't know what happen between them, but i'm sure of one thing SEOLI cannot make the heart of JE beat fast.
Once he 's back to SK and he saw the doppalganger of his wife, his heart flutter. HE'S FROZEN HEART AWAKEN......
At first He ignored that feeling, but the more he ignore it the more he is drawn to her, until he find-out that She has amnesia,thinking that this is his wife,He pursue her (w/c in my own interpretation------he want to help her remembering WHO IS SHE!
Now, if ever the writer bring them back together as long as both of them don't re-marry, I'm for it! bec. TIME WILL HEAL A BROKEN HEART.
THANK YOU LOVER, sorry for my long opinion.
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Hello @jadecloud and @Claudia-ximena ,
Because I couldn’t help it
, I come here just to say how I agree with your opinions about BS behaviour towards HK. To me, what he did during dinner party was all over the plate. I couldn’t believe that he said “this is my wife to be”. I beg your pardon?!?! Even if she was or had agreed to be his girlfriend, how could he impose the “engagement” condition? In special, in such context as that: a family meeting!I would like to add that it doesn’t matter if JE is better, same or worst than BS. What really matters is HK feelings and wishes. And her feelings say: it doesn’t matter if JE is/was there or not, she never loved BS. With or without JE presence/appearence, her heart was frozen. No love feelings for BS. That’s enough.
Love isn’t about who deserves who. Unfortunally, one could reply.
I really can’t stand someone who pressures another or who sets traps to be in a relationship, even less if the argument is “s/he deserves it, s/he is so good”.
Maybe it is related to a personal experience during my college days, when a beloved friend and a really great guy was in love with me. But I couldn't love him as a man. However, because his insistence and our mutual friends insistence (oh Nina he is such a great guy! Why not give him a chance?), and because my guilty feelings melted with pity (he was really a good friend to me) after more than two years of “I can’t” I gave in. It didn’t last long and only make him suffer more and put me in a really unconfortable situation (sorry for this personal note).
The fact is: I can’t stand pressure to accept a guy because “he is a better guy, he deserves more”’s argument. And I’m not saying that a guy or girl can’t pursue or try to conquer someone who s/he loves. But one have to know when to stop. There is always a limit, and one mustn’t take advantage of a girl/guy’s friendship to continuasly push his/her friend to accept his/her feelings.
Is there a difference between BS and JE? In my opinion yes, there is. And the difference is HK feelings.
thanks for sharing your personal experince @ninaanin ; it certainly adds context to your post as well as the discussion. as you said, it is ultimately about HK's feelings and was raising my eyebrows when BS introduced her as his wife-to-be when she had not even agreed to date him..
but wanted to add two other factors: others opinion and self-responsibility.
it is natural for folks to judge if a partner is suitable for you especially when they love you (or in this case, watching the drama! kekeke); given JE's cheating and a relationship with a younger junior, he would naturally be looked on in a less favourable light by many. so in comparison, for some, BS is a better choice. but as you said, it is not about who deserves love but whether the love is reciprocated. and in this case it wasn't. it isn't necessarily a bad thing that people share their opinion or suggestion for you but we need to be able to draw the line and make the call at one point.
in some ways, HK also needs to take responsibility for not speaking up sooner and same with JE. anyone can relate to your personal story because there are instances where we might have been persuaded into considering someone/a education path/a career/a dress! that we know that we don't want. so if we look at it in something like a dress, sometimes there is no harm in trying one. but if we still don't like it, it is we who need to speak up and tell our friend (or whoever suggested it) that we don't want to buy the dress. we can't blame the friend for making us buy the dress we didn't like because we are the ones who ended up paying out of our pocket. we have to be able to say no but that is really hard to do especially when we are close to them. while a dress is a minor thing and can always be thrown away without too much consequence, a career or a relationship choice we make is much harder to get out of. there are always so much pressures when it comes to relationships and even considering dates. I know because I have been there -- persuaded into matchmaking sessions or a job even when it isn't what I want. but then you don't want to come across as not filial and it is hard to win against a practical argument that goes "well you don't know unless you try.." -- which is true. so you have to be able to voice your discomfort in a way that people can understand ~ this is important because otherwise, they are going to keep trying to persuade you and it is hard on both sides, because the persuasion actually comes from a place of love. (sorry for the long advice in the morning! kekeke... but just felt like sharing my experience)...
anyway, back to our drama ~ so I can understand why some would feel annoyed at HK for coming back to the house because it looks like she led BS on when she hugged him back at the hospital. actually think she was simply reacting to get away from JE and clinging to BS because she was afraid of how she felt. but there were also other factors that sort of encouraged BS. as JR asks, why did HK stay in the house when she is not part of the family? she should have moved out when it was clear that she had no feelings for BS but she didn't because she was lonely and isolated (due to her lack of memories). so she stayed hoping perhaps that she would be able to return the feelings in time. she wants to feel something. and now she does. this is something that happens to all of us as we don't know our hearts or get persuaded into something even when we don't think it will work because we want it to work desperately. but now that she does feel for JE, it is time to move out and make a break with BS. same with JE, once he knew how he felt, he shouldn't have let SR try to get out of the talk and instead made a clean break.
that said, am not blaming HK or JE for getting entangled. the reason we let ourselves be persuaded is because a part of us agrees with those offering their suggestion and it can be for a variety for reasons. either we think "why not try? that does make sense..." or we are desperate for some breakthrough because we are lonely or we want to move forward etc... and there is a struggle between logic and gut/heart.. when we finally figure out what it is we need, then it is important to be resolute and not sway. so am curious to see how HK moves forward now that she can admit that it is JE who makes her feel.
just want to some to your thought; it also BS FAULT for feeding hk that she is yongki ; if i'm not mistaken 2 day after the accident when hk wake -up she quickly want to go away and insisting that she's not yongki; but all the baek sibling are saying ;she's indeed the yongki who is in the year book of BS.
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Did JE father know that yongki/haekang are twin's or they just sibling, did the
mother mention to him or not?
then if he saw the amnesiac haekang HE himself will surprise of the resemblance.(in my own conclusion he does not acknowledge that this is her DIL but if he know???????????
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My fav. scene of ep.18
during the dinner when JE stand up and say'' I have no intention of getting married, I love my wife ,I still love her up to this day..HURRAY............it's victory to amnesiac HK...... wait and see what's the writer in her /him bag for KANG SEOLI now that the engagement didn't work-out.
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Can somebody enlighten me ,When JE ask for divorce, hk; disagree first; and then after that he ask JE to give her 3 or 4 month I dont remember,Why ask that long if you see that your husband commiting adultery.
between that time he really response to KANG SEOLI aggresiveness that shorten the duration time hk asking!
She wanted to save the marriage at all cost. She did not give up because of the adultery it was after SR and Sister hatched their plot.
At the end of this drama I really want the brother-in-law and sister to go to jail and sisters action revealed to everyone especially her dad & brother.
THANK'S
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Can somebody enlighten me ,When JE ask for divorce, hk; disagree first; and then after that he ask JE to give her 3 or 4 month I dont remember,Why ask that long if you see that your husband commiting adultery.
between that time he really response to KANG SEOLI aggresiveness that shorten the duration time hk asking!
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I guess, SR made a big mistake, when she asked HK to invite JE. If she somehow forced him visit that dinner and if she asked HK to stay at home (as it should be), then I'm almost sure, that JE won't refuse. He is too weak, it's so easy to manipulate him. SR and his mother know this very well and tried to use it. But SR was too ambitious. When JE came and saw that he was cheated by the person (HK), whom he trust, he became too angry. It's not his normal state, that is why acted so bravely. He couldn't stay there not because he didn't want to marry SR (which is true), but because he needed to pour out his anger. Poor SR cant understand one simple thing. If she is mad to see JE with HK, so JE is mad to see HK with BS as well. SR wanted to show JE that HK with BS, so don't touch her, but didn't think about his anger at all. This one simple thing that can make JE act unpredictable. And we saw results.
Very good point chingu.
JE and his anger!Looking back at JE's behavior 4 years ago...
- Wasn't it more about being angry than 'lust' when JE cheated with SR?
- Wasn't it more about JE not wanting to stay married to HK yet too weak to say no to her?
- Wasn't it mostly about JE's outlet for his anger at HK?
So, if JE can only muster up 'courage' to act, and can only be 'brave' when he's angry...then, will we soon see:
- JE being mad at TS for his lies and deceit about HK's death, and hence going all out to investigate TS' shady deals?
- JE being mad at his dad MH about how he 'stole' MPC from HK's dad, and hence going all out to put ownership back in order?
- JE being mad when he realized his fam's biz, MPC, had been responsible for pushing Pudoxin out into the marketplace fraudulently, and hurting so many peeps? causing so many miscarriages, and even causing some deaths?
If JE will do these, wouldn't that win points where HK is concerned? esp after she has regained her lost memories and likely being mad at him? Perhaps we will see HK and JE teaming up to fight for justice and MPC?
THEN CANNOT BE 50 EP.IF LIKE THAT......JUST KIDDING....... I AGREE W/ YOUR W/ YOUR OBSERVATION.
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At this point in the drama I'm wondering if the writer has backed off on having JE & SR getting married?
BUT, at the same time, seeing the skill the writer has displayed so far, I also have to think how she can get from here (JE saying I will not marry SR in front of both families) to there (JE SR Marriage).Since most, if not all, in this thread agree SR is obsessed and manipulative I guess the writer will come up with a plot line to make it happen
Such as -- using the drama standard of JE getting drunk and SR sleeping with him and getting pregnant
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The fake pregnancy that the second lead in the drama - Run Jang-Mi -- used. She got a women to provide her with her Ultrasounds as proof she was pregnant.Any thoughts?
if that the case then ;the writer better not JE/SL get married co's in the sypnosis; say; hk will fell in love w/JE. another adultery!!!!!!!!
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am watching the beginning of ep 18 and am totally perplexed.... why is SR dressed like she is going to a business meeting??? even the kids (they look rather cute!) and HK are all dressed up for the event but SR looks like she is going to make a presentation at a seminar in cold winter!! .. kekeke......
yeah she was always dressed like that, I'm confuse too, probably if she was styled feminine she will look too young
@12blbl ~ interesting!... because I have been wondering what is with SR's style since she came back to seoul because it often looks like she is wearing clothes that are little too big for her. the pants, the jacket, tops.... and it stands in such contrast to everyone around her who are dressed in a style where it is form fitting..even the colours are more somber.. initially thought it might be just a style factor but maybe it is like she is dressing up to look older, to match his age -- that is the kind of idea the stylist is going for.....
that's why JE mother say she does not have 'aegyo'
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Here's the answer to some who wonders why TS, 4 years ago, could not recognize YK who looks like HK...
CR: SBS and Viki(subs)
was wondering what on earth is "parturient" and thought it was a typo for pregnant or a word accidentally inserted from another language.... apparently not! it is a real word in english!!! so definition for all of us who never heard of this word -- a woman/female mammal about to give birth, in labour... some subber knows medicine!
P.S ~ if he had said JR looked "different" when she was pregnant, she is likely to beat him up no? kekeke....
Me too!while i'm watching i wonder what's the meaning of this word; so; i quickly reach my dictionary i cannot find it. thank for the info.
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Hi, i think i missed it altogether. But how come Hae Kang is considered dead by her in-laws & her mother after the divorce?
bec. BIL pretend to bring an urn fr. CHINA saying that HK died their; his the only one know's what really happen to HK including his minion.
Thanks Trust71! But what was the need to have HK to be classified dead by the in-laws? She had already divorced fr JE
i'm not sure this bec, a few month after the divorce the FIL ask her to go to china,and FIL still consider her as DIL.
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Hi, i think i missed it altogether. But how come Hae Kang is considered dead by her in-laws & her mother after the divorce?
bec. BIL pretend to bring an urn fr. CHINA saying that HK died their; his the only one know's what really happen to HK including his minion.
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I repeat watching 17& 18
Just my observation of HK action, when she go together w/ JE and stay overnight; is that to provoke BS and ;BINGO! She succeeded.......
HK know's that BS really love her and cannot stand JE whose always around her.Remember the rainy scene, how he take HK away from JE; HK stare to BS intensely, that's the time her lawyer mind create a scenario that if she provoke BS he will spill the bean that his wife died already.She doesn't want that she herself will spill the bean to JE,co's SEOLI told her " for whose good if JE know if his wife died". this is just my observation, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
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After watching episode 18 subbed HK you were all kinds of wrong girlfriend for that invitation to dinner. SR is one crazy crazy chick. BS you are only this angry because in your gut you know the truth. HK gave us great insight into her thinking when she told JE that her heart felt frozen until he came into the picture. There is no romantic love there for BS. I simply cannot understand why everyone is excusing SR. Even her own dad says that he respects JE for not dragging it like they were going to get married, but then change to blame JE in the blink of an eye. We will have to wait and see where this one goes.
Now now I wouldn't be that mean to YK2 even though it was kinda her fault for following through SR's plan. Remember, SR is also manipulative. She say things like of course you wouldn't want him to show up cause you like him blah blah blah which makes a person would want to do what she ask. Also, YK2 is not JE girlfriend. She only have feelings for him, but want it to stop because then she would be considered cheater (someone she despises). Most likely why she went along with SR plans as well. I feel for YK2. She gets slapped, yelled at, and now SR ripped her clothes, messed up her room just insane. If I was YK2, I might as well end my life. IT'S TOO PAINFUL TO WATCH PPL HURTING YK2.
I actually didn't like YK2 in episodes 17 or 18 if I'm going to be honest. Although I absolutely loved what she told JE about BS (that he was a lighthouse), I hated and loved the scene when she hugged BS. I hated it because I felt she was giving him false hope and leading him on; I loved it because it was payback to JE. Although she said BS was a person she could not betray, she did exactly that without much pang of conscience. I would love to see these characters at least try to demonstrate that their words mean something before they cave into their temptation. Instead, they just say some words and immediately do the opposite of what they said. I remember JE telling SR that he made a mistake kissing her, then the next second he's running to find her and goes to her place....laughing, having a good time and lying to HK that he's at the lab.
HK is a smart and intelligent woman. In this episode, I saw glimpse of the old HK. It made me realize that she and JE are alike when it comes to discarding the feelings of others. Both are cowards in that they give hope with no plans of follow through. Just respect alone should have made her realize how her actions would impact BS. The way the two of them drove up to BS' home--so in your face. I just didn't care for that scene at all and I don't know why the writer have two people who just confessed their 'hurting hearts' for each other going to BS' house. JE has the nerve to tell BS that he will take HK from his house as soon as possible (implying she will stay there for now)--WTH??!! He says this after knowing BS wanted to marry her? This rich man can't put her up in a hotel? What is he going to do, get her an apartment next door to the one he has for SR? AND YK2, just goes along with this stupidity? BS protected, nurtured and cared for HK for 4 years. He is the reason she's the person that JE now wants back and they repay him by saying, I want her to say here a few more days and then I'll move her to my place---in so many words. Please give him the respect of moving her out immediately--as in go get the few clothes that haven't been destroyed by SR--the monster that JE helped create. He gave her "power" and connections.
After watching episode 18 subbed HK you were all kinds of wrong girlfriend for that invitation to dinner. SR is one crazy crazy chick. BS you are only this angry because in your gut you know the truth. HK gave us great insight into her thinking when she told JE that her heart felt frozen until he came into the picture. There is no romantic love there for BS. I simply cannot understand why everyone is excusing SR. Even her own dad says that he respects JE for not dragging it like they were going to get married, but then change to blame JE in the blink of an eye. We will have to wait and see where this one goes.
Now now I wouldn't be that mean to YK2 even though it was kinda her fault for following through SR's plan. Remember, SR is also manipulative. She say things like of course you wouldn't want him to show up cause you like him blah blah blah which makes a person would want to do what she ask. Also, YK2 is not JE girlfriend. She only have feelings for him, but want it to stop because then she would be considered cheater (someone she despises). Most likely why she went along with SR plans as well. I feel for YK2. She gets slapped, yelled at, and now SR ripped her clothes, messed up her room just insane. If I was YK2, I might as well end my life. IT'S TOO PAINFUL TO WATCH PPL HURTING YK2.
I actually didn't like YK2 in episodes 17 or 18 if I'm going to be honest. Although I absolutely loved what she told JE about BS (that he was a lighthouse), I hated and loved the scene when she hugged BS. I hated it because I felt she was giving him false hope and leading him on; I loved it because it was payback to JE. Although she said BS was a person she could not betray, she did exactly that without much pang of conscience. I would love to see these characters at least try to demonstrate that their words mean something before they cave into their temptation. Instead, they just say some words and immediately do the opposite of what they said. I remember JE telling SR that he made a mistake kissing her, then the next second he's running to find her and goes to her place....laughing, having a good time and lying to HK that he's at the lab.
HK is a smart and intelligent woman. In this episode, I saw glimpse of the old HK. It made me realize that she and JE are alike when it comes to discarding the feelings of others. Both are cowards in that they give hope with no plans of follow through. Just respect alone should have made her realize how her actions would impact BS. The way the two of them drove up to BS' home--so in your face. I just didn't care for that scene at all and I don't know why the writer have two people who just confessed their 'hurting hearts' for each other going to BS' house. JE has the nerve to tell BS that he will take HK from his house as soon as possible (implying she will stay there for now)--WTH??!! He says this after knowing BS wanted to marry her? This rich man can't put her up in a hotel? What is he going to do, get her an apartment next door to the one he has for SR? AND YK2, just goes along with this stupidity? BS protected, nurtured and cared for HK for 4 years. He is the reason she's the person that JE now wants back and they repay him by saying, I want her to say here a few more days and then I'll move her to my place---in so many words. Please give him the respect of moving her out immediately--as in go get the few clothes that haven't been destroyed by SR--the monster that JE helped create. He gave her "power" and connections.
After watching episode 18 subbed HK you were all kinds of wrong girlfriend for that invitation to dinner. SR is one crazy crazy chick. BS you are only this angry because in your gut you know the truth. HK gave us great insight into her thinking when she told JE that her heart felt frozen until he came into the picture. There is no romantic love there for BS. I simply cannot understand why everyone is excusing SR. Even her own dad says that he respects JE for not dragging it like they were going to get married, but then change to blame JE in the blink of an eye. We will have to wait and see where this one goes.
Now now I wouldn't be that mean to YK2 even though it was kinda her fault for following through SR's plan. Remember, SR is also manipulative. She say things like of course you wouldn't want him to show up cause you like him blah blah blah which makes a person would want to do what she ask. Also, YK2 is not JE girlfriend. She only have feelings for him, but want it to stop because then she would be considered cheater (someone she despises). Most likely why she went along with SR plans as well. I feel for YK2. She gets slapped, yelled at, and now SR ripped her clothes, messed up her room just insane. If I was YK2, I might as well end my life. IT'S TOO PAINFUL TO WATCH PPL HURTING YK2.
I actually didn't like YK2 in episodes 17 or 18 if I'm going to be honest. Although I absolutely loved what she told JE about BS (that he was a lighthouse), I hated and loved the scene when she hugged BS. I hated it because I felt she was giving him false hope and leading him on; I loved it because it was payback to JE. Although she said BS was a person she could not betray, she did exactly that without much pang of conscience. I would love to see these characters at least try to demonstrate that their words mean something before they cave into their temptation. Instead, they just say some words and immediately do the opposite of what they said. I remember JE telling SR that he made a mistake kissing her, then the next second he's running to find her and goes to her place....laughing, having a good time and lying to HK that he's at the lab.
HK is a smart and intelligent woman. In this episode, I saw glimpse of the old HK. It made me realize that she and JE are alike when it comes to discarding the feelings of others. Both are cowards in that they give hope with no plans of follow through. Just respect alone should have made her realize how her actions would impact BS. The way the two of them drove up to BS' home--so in your face. I just didn't care for that scene at all and I don't know why the writer have two people who just confessed their 'hurting hearts' for each other going to BS' house. JE has the nerve to tell BS that he will take HK from his house as soon as possible (implying she will stay there for now)--WTH??!! He says this after knowing BS wanted to marry her? This rich man can't put her up in a hotel? What is he going to do, get her an apartment next door to the one he has for SR? AND YK2, just goes along with this stupidity? BS protected, nurtured and cared for HK for 4 years. He is the reason she's the person that JE now wants back and they repay him by saying, I want her to say here a few more days and then I'll move her to my place---in so many words. Please give him the respect of moving her out immediately--as in go get the few clothes that haven't been destroyed by SR--the monster that JE helped create. He gave her "power" and connections.
I got the impression it was on more than one or two occasion. It appears as if they were together the first couple of years and later she studied in London for 2 years. There was a closeness between JE and SR when she first arrived that denotes the two were more than just senior-junior. However, it also appears that JE never took it deeper.
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I THINK THAT THE REASON ; WHY THE WRITER INSERT THE AMNESIA PLOT TO JUSTIFY THE FIRST 9 EP.---JUST MY TWO CENT---
I don't think that is the case. The amnesia plot has been factored in when the synopsis/overview was created. I believe it is an intended element in this drama's screenplay structure, just that there are various curve balls that are and will be inserted or unvealed along the way. As I try to speculate and second-guess (albeit badly) what writernim's intent may be, I thought this amnesia plot, when compared to some other dramas' amnesia situation, is a pretty good development for the plot as a whole, for holding on to viewers' suspense and disbelief(or belief), as well as for the characters development.
If there was no amnesia...
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In regards to the amnesia plot of this drama, I have always thought it was three-fold:
1) So that HK could regain her humanity. She was a ruthless attorney who only knew how to do her job by going for the jugular. There are ways you can defeat your opponent without completely destroying them. I found it interesting what JR said to JE's mom and TS concerning the care YK2 was showing towards the kids at the family meeting dinner. She said HK would have never done that and mentioned how HK was completely different. I don't know if this is a writer where ever word matters, probably not, but it's interesting that JR didn't say YK2 was behaving how HK used to be when she first married JE. Instead she said, she's completely different from HK. We know from pictures that HK seemed happy and loving towards her daughter and JE before her daughter died; but we also know for the man to want to kill her, she was also heartless even when her daughter was alive.
For me, the amnesia was to let HK see how things are on the other side. The very people she would have ruthlessly destroyed, are now the people she's trying to help and protect. If HK had not met BS and he immersed her into his life and family, she would still be the same cold people. She truly worries about the kids and enjoys their company. She enjoys seeking justice for people and truly feeling a sense of accomplishment.
So regaining HK's humanity was reason #1 for amnesia to me.
2) To heal from JE. She was obsessed with him, that I think the whole time she was working in China, she would have been spying on JE and SR in the U.S. This gave her an opportunity to forget about him and other painful memories--for the most part.
3) For JE to meet a different HK. Yes he knows HK's physical attributes, her likings and dislikes, but he is seeing her interact and caring for people in a whole other light. Apparently, he has never seen HK this caring for others. When he saw her help little Baek Joon, it hurt him even more as he bore holes in her head from staring so hard. So I think the other reason for amnesia is for JE to see the woman HK could be with the right support, protection and encouragement. (He nurtured, protected and clung to SR, but didn't do the same for HK--the writer is really going to have to help me with that).
Side Note: For the most part, I don't understand JE's character at all. It's all about his feelings and what he wants. He doesn't care how his actions impact others. It's all about what makes him feel good. It'll be interesting to see how he behaves with YK2 as his BIL tries to drive him crazy. Unfortunately, I don't buy all this over the top grief after you watch your wife almost die in front of you and would have died without CPR and yet he still chose SR over her. If there had been no suicide attempt, I would get this upcoming grief, as it is.......not so much. However, i still want to see him suffer.
I'm sure the writer will probably dig more into their past when HK regains her memory. I thought it was a bit heartless of him and HK to return to BS' house after confessing their "hurting heart and feeling nervous" for each other after staying out all night. He should have just told her to pack her stuff while he waited and she moved out. I don't want HK pulling a JE number---string someone on with their own inactions; just cut ties and move on.
These past episodes has shown that even before JE went to the U.S., he knew how ruthless his father and brother in law (and maybe HK) were to protect the company. Yet, he did nothing but hide away in his lab and left HK along in that battle and later abandoned her.
Now he wants to bring the new HK back into the company. I don't know if he thinks the new HK will be different from the old, but when he suggested she come back into the company to run it and he make medicine, I just thought, "HereI
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jr say; AM-s(stress)------PM -a(alcohol)
i make my own for KANG SEOLI.
AM--more scene of HK/yk2 and JE
PM--imagining that HK/YK2 are sweet to each other reminiscing the old day's
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I notice that, their's a scene where JE father visit HK house; tell; that he found yongki and showing her the picture; then JE father assure her that she can meet her later once she come to SK, but she quickly defy it, WHY!
in my own conclusion is that she's still waiting for the teacher call about the information of the class president of YK1 during high school HOW if turn out that/ that is BAEK SEOK,this must be an interesting scene they meet and bring along HK.
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No, it won't take many episodes for HG to convince JE that she is the true HG. Just show him the moles/beauty marks...No, wait, I am still a pervert?
no you're not,
i also hoping once JE past to the grieving period, i want him to pursue HK/YK2 and have a date and go to--(U know what i mean) so that he can find all the beuaty mark of HK, then cannot be denied already that this is HK.
No, it won't take many episodes for HG to convince JE that she is the true HG. Just show him the moles/beauty marks...No, wait, I am still a pervert?
no you're not,
i also hoping once JE past to the grieving period, i want him to pursue HK/YK2 and have a date and go to--(U know what i mean) so that he can find all the beuaty mark of HK, then cannot be denied already that this is HK.
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one thing I don't understand is the logic of BS and SR ~ why would they think that SR getting married to JE will solve the problem of attraction between JE and HK?? if they are related by marriage, then isn't that more cause for concern because they will have to keep seeing each other at least at holidays and so on. isnt it still laying the path to temptation?
was watching this show on TV the other day -- this show dramatizes real life crimes that happened. so in this episode, they showed this brother-in-law who fell in love with the wife of his older brother. so in order to marry this lady, he murdered his brother and also the neighbour who found out. he persuaded the lady to marry him shortly after his brother's death as a counter-measure against the mother-in-law who was going to kick her out and she accepted and everyone thought he was such a sweet, understanding guy who was willing to offer shelter to this lady. he also promised the lady that they will just be friends till she got over the death of the first hubby.... of course things unraveled and she figured out the truth and handed him to the police. there he said that he did these actions because he loved her. the narrator then concluded people do a lot of stupid things in the name of love and justify their actions, including criminal behaviour. what is sad is that the recipient then ends up carrying the weight -- the lady felt guilt for indirectly causing her husband's death and there were others who blamed her for somehow making this guy fall in love with her.....
made me think of BS behaviour and how HK is somehow being asked to take responsibility because he loves her.....it is the same with SR as well no?
@Lmangla That's an awesome and apt real life example for us to try to understand what BS and SR are doing. Yes, to them, it is 'love'. Deep 'love' in their warped sense of LOVE that they cannot do without, live without. They have deluded themselves to ignore the hard fact and basic need that LOVE IS A TWO-WAY STREET. If it's only a one-sided crush, with restraint for intimacy, without reciprocation, then how do they think marriage will be? Unless all they want is a marriage in name only. Like as long as they possess the person they love, and keep the person out of other peep's hands, it's fine and dandy to them.
The difference between SR and BS in this aspect is that SR is ruthless and evil in her quest to possess JE, while BS is delusional with initial good intent but veering into deception for selfish intent. The one thing in both their favors is - SR rescued JE from his close shave from a lab explosion while BS was on the road where HK just moments ago climbed out from a close shave from an accident/attempted murder schemed by TS and his minion. But who says such a favor necessarily equates to a right to reciprocal love, to marriage? Why can't they see and feel the burden and pressure of obligation they've imposed? (And same also applies to JE on YK2).
Just as writernim has penned JE as an .S.O.B. who cheated, then cruelly abandoned and divorced HK in the initial few eps, cos of LOVE that morphed into HATE, and now writernim is beginning to step up her portrayal of SR as a one-sided crush who is becoming impossible for redemption because she has no guilt, no remorse for what she did 4 years ago and is ready to do it all over again, cos of LOVE.
SR was unfeeling about confirmation from the police that HK was truly dead. SR was gloating and happy that THE competitor for JE's affection was gone forever. (Why then did she cry those tears on the steps of HK/JE's marital home? Initial shock and shame?) Thinking now she can have JE to herself.
But YK2 came into the picture and SR blamed her (their eerie pillow talk in ep 18) for her existence, for showing herself in front of JE, for messing up her engagement and wedding plan, for making JE waver and so on. SR also mocked HK for being silly in her attempt at suicide. The contrast shown of SR and YK2 - heartless almost psychotic vs heartfelt almost teary - as she recounted what happened depicted a stark difference in their personality. To SR, it's better to stay alive and fight than to die a sad death. SR said she'll never do that but instead, she will hang on to JE no matter what comes. But if she had to die, she would want to die together with JE. (OMG!) SR told YK2 because she loves JE, she can and will do anything for him. She warned YK2 not to cross the line (just cos JE wavered thinking she is HK and being attracted to her). But SR herself has no line, worse yet, no boundary to begin with. How could anyone reason/compete with SR? The rules of the game are so distinct and unequal.
SR is indeed 'Fatal Attraction 2.0'. I fear for YK2/HK's life now.
YK2 and SR - pillow talk (Ep 18)
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i also agree ,w/your observation of KANG SEOLI,the way she talk to HK is unbelivable. .
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JR -- Who is she
Finished EP17 with full subs
Another great scene with JR, her step Mother and SR at dinning room table. JR once again spitting out her hurtful words -- in this case she says a lot of the things we would have liked to say to SR.The actress playing JR is doing such a great job, that even though we know she is spiteful and evil - we do not hate her so much that when she appears we go into "shutdown" because of her evil and just hate her and not listen to what she says. Rather we look forward to her scenes. Her scenes give us comic relief -- electric wheel chair, escape down rope ladder, after daddy sent her to her room without supper (always surprised in Kdrama on how some fully grown adults are treated by and respond back to their parents as if they were 7 year olds), and of course EP 17 falling down when seeing HK/YK2. Her scenes provide important info to us the audience and also info other characters need to know -- EP17 telling HK/YK2 that she was a whistle blower who worked for MPC. Her scenes also give us insight into how other characters are feeling, since she uses her spiteful words to hurt others. This was most clear in a very early episode when HK went to JE mother home after having had that young woman jump to her death right in front of her. JR basically tells her -- -- who do we have here, the lawyer who kills people, what is it now 6, oh no 5, 6 would be your daughter. This tells us she (JR) is the only member of JE family who understands that HK feels sorrowful and guilty about her daughters death. JR thereby uses her words to stab HK right in her heart.
JR is a very spiteful women who become this way because of her hate for her Step Mother who she blames for her mothers sorrowful death. She will do anything to ensure that her step mothers son ( JE) does not inherit the company. Her hate was made clear in an early scene when she confronts her step mother about her mothers death -- SH response to that that JR does not understand what really happened is interesting. Expect we will see later that SH was not cause and this will result in JR being remorseful.
JR is an example of a women that her obsessive love resulted in her marriage to a man she knows did not love her. Early episode pointed out that TS broke up with his longtime girlfriend to marry her. So now she has a husband that is a serial cheater who shows her little affection.
Her great love of TS makes her overlook his cheating. Look forward to her reaction when she finds out it was TS who released the video of her abusing the company employees.
However, I also think that by now JR realizes fully who TS is and is now putting up with him because she needs his evil ways to take over the company. Once she has full control of company she will get rid of TS.JR is also a person who thinks she is better then anyone because of the money and power her family has -- this shown in the she treats company employees.
So -- JR is an overall spiteful, hateful person -- But because of the actress playing that role she is hard for use to fully hate.
I want to add some JR for me is like a kimchi --w/out her my meal missing some dish.
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after watching ep.18 w/ sub.
KANG SEOLI HAS SUCH A TWISTED MIND;
she's the one who ask HK to lure JE for having a dinner ;than blame HK after her plan failed. I REALLY ONE TO SCOOP HER OUT OF DESKTOP TO WRING HER HEAD SO THAT SHE WAKE AND DRAIN ALL THE BAD THOUGHTS IN HER BRAIN--GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
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She was sent to an orphanage and grew up apart from that family until she was 11 I think.
o k thanks for the info, i miss that part though.☺
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ONE MORE I NOTICE IN EP.18 ,is that he introduce all children with baek, how come seoli have different surname.
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, I come here just to say how I agree with your opinions about BS behaviour towards HK. To me, what he did during dinner party was all over the plate. I couldn’t believe that he said “this is my wife to be”. I beg your pardon?!?! Even if she was or had agreed to be his girlfriend, how could he impose the “engagement” condition? In special, in such context as that: a family meeting!
JE and his anger!
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Really fun reading all your comment; at least even though this is not typical romantic comedy, YOU ALL MAKE me smile and sometime laugh.